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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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I have the Enve SES aerobar system, but not the stem. I had to use another one, but I have to say all of the fitters that have seen this system were blown away. The flexibility is incredible and now that it's on the bike, I absolutely love it. The independent tilt of extensions, the ability to choose the extension type you use, mounting options for those pads and extensions are some very nice features. The basebar ends are textured so you don't need bar tape. It's a very well thought out, really nice system.
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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There seem to be a lot of assumption that the Aeria Ultimate is fast in the tunnel, but have we actually seen anything that indicates this yet? It looks good, but I haven't seen any data, or hint of any.
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [minimalist] [ In reply to ]
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minimalist wrote:
There seem to be a lot of assumption that the Aeria Ultimate is fast in the tunnel, but have we actually seen anything that indicates this yet? It looks good, but I haven't seen any data, or hint of any.

2 things about this:

1. the designer of that bar is on the forum, so he'll tell you i presume. he's got software which can aero model, which he designed himself, so he is not naive to aerodynamics as a data point in product design.

2. of all the things on the bike that i'm not particularly aero-obsessed, the bar is at the top of the list. i'm much more interested in adjustability, ergonomics, and sturdiness. after that comes cable routing, integration with stems. somewhere way after that comes the aerodynamic performance of the bar itself (sans rider).

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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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Too much frontal area associated with all that Enve tilt hardware, especially if extensions are under the bar. Plus the cable routing on the Enve bar makes the build an absolute nightmare and then the turns in that routing are so tight / sharp that if you're using rim brakes or mech actuated hydros the modulation of your braking is compromised. You also have to consider your preferred bull horn position. The grips are really swept forward compared to other bars and if you have an aggressive position and/or a lot of pad stack and/or short arms you might not like this. I actually do like it because with the under mount setup and normal arms the bullhorn location relative to my pads isn't that crazy. But I know people who hate this aspect of the bar.

I don't have any experience with the Aeria thing but I know it's what I would buy if I could hit my stack on it. I'd need a 54 P4, which I have actually considered buying so I can try this bar. I just can't wrap my head around buying a bike with notoriously poor braking and clearance issues.

Anyways I think the 51 Speed Shop front end at least belongs in the conversation here, as well as the Alpha X, which is surely the most aero. The Culprit bar/stem should probably be considered too -- we don't know enough about it yet though.

The Enve bar and the Zipp bar are both long in the tooth. They are old bars and front end systems and neither of those companies seem to give a shit about updating them or innovating in this space because they would rather focus on products normal people actually buy on which they actually make money (i.e. wheels). I don't know why anyone buys one of those bars with all these better new options hitting the market
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [Slowman] [ In reply to ]
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Slowman wrote:
minimalist wrote:
There seem to be a lot of assumption that the Aeria Ultimate is fast in the tunnel, but have we actually seen anything that indicates this yet? It looks good, but I haven't seen any data, or hint of any.


the designer of that bar is on the forum, so he'll tell you i presume. he's got software which can aero model, which he designed himself, so he is not naive to aerodynamics as a data point in product design.


I haven't seen any aero data and while I haven't asked him but he has heavily hinted here that the system with the new bottle is quite a bit faster than without. I just don't like integrated hydration like that on my bike, but if it is fast enough and functional enough that I guess I'd have to consider using it on race day.
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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I would wait to make any decision until the week of Kona. Just sayin'. ;-)

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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [kileyay] [ In reply to ]
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kileyay wrote:
Slowman wrote:
minimalist wrote:
There seem to be a lot of assumption that the Aeria Ultimate is fast in the tunnel, but have we actually seen anything that indicates this yet? It looks good, but I haven't seen any data, or hint of any.


the designer of that bar is on the forum, so he'll tell you i presume. he's got software which can aero model, which he designed himself, so he is not naive to aerodynamics as a data point in product design.


I haven't seen any aero data and while I haven't asked him but he has heavily hinted here that the system with the new bottle is quite a bit faster than without. I just don't like integrated hydration like that on my bike, but if it is fast enough and functional enough that I guess I'd have to consider using it on race day.

what kind of hydration do you like? and look, i'm in the minority. whenever i ask pros - good pros, smart pros - whether they want to slap a bottle gotten on the course into a between-the-extensions cage, and then reach down, grab, pull it out, drink, replace it, that's what they choose. me, i think grabbing a bottle, squirting its contents into a refillable integrated bottle with a drink straw, i think that's far, far better. but i appear to be the only one who thinks so.

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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [Jim@EROsports] [ In reply to ]
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Jim@EROsports wrote:
I would wait to make any decision until the week of Kona. Just sayin'. ;-)

I can wait a few weeks.

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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [Slowman] [ In reply to ]
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Slowman wrote:
what kind of hydration do you like? and look, i'm in the minority. whenever i ask pros - good pros, smart pros - whether they want to slap a bottle gotten on the course into a between-the-extensions cage, and then reach down, grab, pull it out, drink, replace it, that's what they choose. me, i think grabbing a bottle, squirting its contents into a refillable integrated bottle with a drink straw, i think that's far, far better. but i appear to be the only one who thinks so.

I like a round bottle between my arms with the cage securely affixed to the stem, preferably via bosses on that stem, and a round bottle behind my ass with the cage zip tied under the rails.

There are round bottles on course. I can ditch the round bottles I start the bike with. Round bottles are easier to clean, easier to replace, etc. Really loved it when I bought a brand new X-Lab BTA bottle and launched it right out of T2 on a brutal speed bump -- there went $40.

I don't have to deal with sticky shit all over my front end because I get my calories from fluids and in my experience all of these BTA non solutions inevitably leak or spew and probably corrode your IA extension clamps, so these BTA solutions on a Felt may even lead to death or, at minimum, dismemberment.

The straw part of the system is intolerable to me. It has to be cut to the right length for where my head will probably be when I want to take that drink, which varies. When I'm racing my head position is moving up and down depending on what I need to see in front of me. When I know there's nothing ahead that's going to launch me off my bike, my head is basically in my hands. Which means I need to fold this straw down every time I'm not drinking, and pull it back out when I want to drink. That's a very similar level of effort compared to just pulling a round bottle out and drinking from it, which is in and of itself a lot easier when you simply do it while you're climbing/going slow. When climbing you will be out of the saddle anyways. The aero penalty for that drinking will be immaterial and almost all courses have enough out of the saddle hills where you can drink only during those opportunities.

There are other things. Like how it's really difficult to get some of these systems in the right place in my cockpit fore and aft, because of my undermounted extensions. I could go on.

Don't get me wrong, I buy into the theory that these BTA solutions are better, but in practice they have never worked for me. Maybe the system on the Canyon (or the Scott) is the winning ticket -- those I haven't tried. But honestly my experiences with PD BTA products haven't been great
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [kileyay] [ In reply to ]
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well, like i said, i'm in the minority. how i deal with sticky shit on bottles: i clean them. how i deal with the straw: i cut it to the proper length. but then i'm a recognized leader in my field, and i can't assume others can clean a bottle and cut a straw to length with the same skill and talent that i possess.

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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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The GMAN wrote:
Jim@EROsports wrote:
I would wait to make any decision until the week of Kona. Just sayin'. ;-)


I can wait a few weeks.

Although I just saw that Trisports fire sale has the PD system (bar and stem combo) for $840. Normally $1200. That might be too good to pass up.

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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [kileyay] [ In reply to ]
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Too much frontal area associated with all that Enve tilt hardware, especially if extensions are under the bar.
Yeah it's not optimal for under-bar mounting, but otherwise it's a non-issue since the tilt is built into the riser system.

I have the Enve bar on my track bike, so I can't comment about cable routing; but I like the lower, more forward hand position on the bullhorns and overall adjustability is good. Another thing about the Enve bar is just how well it's made; much sturdier than my Tririg Alpha, which feels downright flimsy in comparison. No way I would ever think of using the TriRig for standing starts on the track, but I have no such hesitation about the Enve.
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [jsk] [ In reply to ]
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jsk wrote:
kileyay wrote:
Too much frontal area associated with all that Enve tilt hardware, especially if extensions are under the bar.

Yeah it's not optimal for under-bar mounting, but otherwise it's a non-issue since the tilt is built into the riser system.

I have the Enve bar on my track bike, so I can't comment about cable routing; but I like the lower, more forward hand position on the bullhorns and overall adjustability is good. Another thing about the Enve bar is just how well it's made; much sturdier than my Tririg Alpha, which feels downright flimsy in comparison.

Yeah, I have to agree with this assessment. The Enve bar is shockingly rock solid, especially given that it's a two piece system with a standard stem clamp/interface. Going from the Alpha Classic to the Enve bar was like night and day, and Alpha X falls somewhere in between. The HED Corsair was up there too in terms of rock solidness. Of everything I have tried, though, nothing beats the Trek Speed Concept, which is maybe the most aero and most solid front end in existence outside of the Premier Bike Ventus III, but I think that Tactical front end has limitations in adjustability relative to these other market-leading front ends we are talking about.
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [Slowman] [ In reply to ]
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"of all the things on the bike that i'm not particularly aero-obsessed, the bar is at the top of the list. i'm much more interested in adjustability, ergonomics, and sturdiness. after that comes cable routing, integration with stems. somewhere way after that comes the aerodynamic performance of the bar itself (sans rider). "

With these priorities, what bar on the market today is your bar of choice?

Scott

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~KFU, age 13
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [Slowman] [ In reply to ]
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I think it's the mess that can happen during a race or training that is most annoying at least to me. Theoretically, I prefer the method described by you (and used to do that) but gave up on it as there were too many real world issues as outlined by Kiley, among others. Now, its water BTA (as even a regular BTA bottle can leak) and calories behind the ass or perhaps also in downtube for longer course
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [GreatScott] [ In reply to ]
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Right now, bang for buck, its profile t3 w/j5 bracket and any old base bar.

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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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The graph below requires a little bit of explanation - in order to fit data for rider on and no rider I've normalised the Aduro curves to 100%, so the Aeria Ultimate (AU) performance is shown relative to that.
As expected - the Aduro is amazing with no rider thanks to the minimal frontal profile. But the AU went ahead with a rider on. We took the AU off and repeated the Aduro test to verify the numbers as the magnitude of the relative performance change was so significant.


The AU offers better pad-basebar separation thanks to the dropped wing. And the wide pedestal base (and wider extension clamps) means there is better airflow over the centre of the bar.
The Enve tested out basically the same as AU with rider on (slightly slower at low yaw and slightly better at high yaw).

One bike brand has tested the HSF Aeria bottle and had a massive performance advantage. If that increment is consistent across frames the bottle will be a must have. I'm trying to get testing sorted to evaluate a variety of frames. The impact on frames with narrow headtubes will have to be assessed before any claims can be made for universal benefit.

There is also a satellite magnet mount for the hose, that allows you to orient the straw close to the hands so you're not reaching back to grab it. With the aim of minimising the movement required to hydrate.

One thing to note with the Aeria 2 is that it's a platform that will continue to be built on. Firstly there are other armrests on the way (that will fit all PD bars) to offer different fit options. Of course, I didn't take any photos of them at Eurobike so have to rely on others - this is the race armrest - intended to tightly cup the arms for narrow positions. I was going to arrange for a sample to be sent to Slowman but a World tour team got in first so there are no more samples left. There is another armrest that offers a more gentle curve for general use.

There are other Aeria 2 items on the way, some just alternatives, others will be unique innovations.

For me bars are all about fit - which is why the AU has the largest fit range of anything that doesn't have sliders (which just offer smaller x increments for Felt and Trek). The Enve has limited width adjustment and large steps in X. What I don't like about the Enve is the weak armrests that don't offer a firm control base.

By having a range of extension options, 15deg of built in tilt, 7.5mm x increments, 5mm stack increments and 18.5mm width increments as well as (soon) 3 armrest options you will need to be a very special snowflake to not be able to optimise your position with the AU.

One of the criticisms of the AU is the weight of the stem, but now the Enve is 100g heavier so it's pretty clear that these type of stems are not light!


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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [Slowman] [ In reply to ]
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Bang for the buck aside, do you see any downside associated with the Aeria Ultimate relative to the T3/J5?

Scott

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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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Can the AU be configured for a standard bottle BTA?

"I like a round bottle between my arms with the cage securely affixed to the stem, preferably via bosses on that stem"

Scott

"I was tired, so I shut off my brain and my body finished without me"
~KFU, age 13
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [GreatScott] [ In reply to ]
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GreatScott wrote:
Can the AU be configured for a standard bottle BTA?

Yes, the bridge for the spacer pedestal can have a BTA attachment added.
You have fore/aft adjustment by choosing which of the squares locks into the hole on the bridge:


This is the same BTA mount that fits on the J5 bridge.
I realise that the instructions for the AU are sparse and that this sort of info should be covered, I shall be taking charge of improving the information for the bar.

The downside of any integrated bar is less flexibility compared to a modular setup. However, the AU narrows the differential to the point that there isn't a practical downside. The modular bars can get the pads slightly wider but we're talking 27 vs 29 cm so it's special case territory anyway. Obviously the cost is a non-trivial factor, but that mostly goes towards speed.


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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks for the detailed response! Your transparency and the substance of your replies says a lot about the thought behind the bar.

Here are a couple more for you, if you don't mind:

-Any concerns about running Magura RT8 brakes on the AU?

-The reach from the BB to the back of my pads is 485, of which 437 comes from my size 58 P3 frame. How would you recommend replicating those numbers with the AU? In other words, can I get there with the 70mm or 100mm AU stem?

Thanks again,

Scott

"I was tired, so I shut off my brain and my body finished without me"
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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Any tilt options for A2?
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [GreatScott] [ In reply to ]
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GreatScott wrote:
Bang for the buck aside, do you see any downside associated with the Aeria Ultimate relative to the T3/J5? Scott

no downside. great bar.

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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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I went ahead and pulled the trigger on the PD Aeria system. That TriSports fire sale was too good to pass up.

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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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I may be right behind you. I'm having trouble finding a reason not to buy this bar.

Thanks for starting the thread!

Scott

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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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How did you select your stem length? What are your plans for BTA and computer mounts?

Scott

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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [GreatScott] [ In reply to ]
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GreatScott wrote:
-Any concerns about running Magura RT8 brakes on the AU?

Nothing I can think of.

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-The reach from the BB to the back of my pads is 485, of which 437 comes from my size 58 P3 frame. How would you recommend replicating those numbers with the AU? In other words, can I get there with the 70mm or 100mm AU stem?

And now we come to (part of) why PD engage my services as a consultant - I've modelled the fit options of most aerobars on the market for the velogicfit bike finder so can calculate the fit for most bikes/bars.
Your Pad Y still 660?


Accuracy is radial distance from target in XYZ.
You might choose to slam the steerer spacers in favour of more under the pads. So 10mm on the steerer and 30mm under the pads will move x forward 3mm and should give you enough clearance to use the Bridge and BTA.

The integrated bottle is still a few months away from hitting the market. It's not an easy thing to make.


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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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Wow, thank you! Very helpful, great advice.

Love the idea of 10mm on the steerer and 30mm under the pads.

My Y is currently 665, so very close!

Is the Z (100) in your model referencing the 100mm AU stem?

Scott

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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [GreatScott] [ In reply to ]
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Ext Z is the separation of the extensions (c to c in mm) - which is fixed on this bar but becomes an important variable on clipons (hence inclusion in the models)
Pad Z is the armrest width (c-c)

For 665 you could just add in the bridge (5mm) on 30mm spacers


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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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Ahhh, I see. Fwiw, my pad Z is 245. Based on what I've seen elsewhere, I should be able to get there on the AU?

Sorry if I missed this, but which stem did you model / recommend?

Scott

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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [GreatScott] [ In reply to ]
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closest pad centre is 252mm, note that the F40 will effectively be wider than most so you might want to go in a step from there
For the stem - I've highlighted the relevant cell






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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [GreatScott] [ In reply to ]
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Not sure how different the bar is but it looks like the New Cube runs Profile bars with Magura brakes.

I wondered if the drink system on the Cube is also Profile Design as it looks quite similar to the new system.
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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Got it, thanks again! You are tremendously helpful.

Cheers,

Scott

"I was tired, so I shut off my brain and my body finished without me"
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [boing] [ In reply to ]
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The cube uses the brackets from the Aeria Ultimate but their own basebar.
I haven't seen any images of a drink system for it, I don't know what they're using.


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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [GreatScott] [ In reply to ]
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GreatScott wrote:
How did you select your stem length? What are your plans for BTA and computer mounts?

Scott

Trisports only had the 70mm stem left so that was chosen for me. :-)

That stated, I would have selected the 70mm anyway since I only need about 75mm of effective stem length to get my pad reach of about 500mm.

I haven't thought of BTA or computer mounts yet. I'll probably just keep my Xlab torpedo cage and see what real estate I have left for the computer.

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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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cyclenutnz wrote:
GreatScott wrote:

-Any concerns about running Magura RT8 brakes on the AU?


Nothing I can think of.

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-The reach from the BB to the back of my pads is 485, of which 437 comes from my size 58 P3 frame. How would you recommend replicating those numbers with the AU? In other words, can I get there with the 70mm or 100mm AU stem?


And now we come to (part of) why PD engage my services as a consultant - I've modelled the fit options of most aerobars on the market for the velogicfit bike finder so can calculate the fit for most bikes/bars.
Your Pad Y still 660?


Accuracy is radial distance from target in XYZ.
You might choose to slam the steerer spacers in favour of more under the pads. So 10mm on the steerer and 30mm under the pads will move x forward 3mm and should give you enough clearance to use the Bridge and BTA.

The integrated bottle is still a few months away from hitting the market. It's not an easy thing to make.

David,
My frame stack and reach is 540 and 425. My current pad stack and reach is 605 and 500. What's your recommendation on setup with the 70mm stem?

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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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Is that reach to rear? If not, which pads are you using (or just let me know reach to rear)
What is your pad width?


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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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cyclenutnz wrote:
Is that reach to rear? If not, which pads are you using (or just let me know reach to rear)
What is your pad width?

Center-ish of pad. TriRig Alpha X holders with CeeGees pads, which according to CeeGees are 110mm in width..

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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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The GMAN wrote:
I haven't thought of BTA or computer mounts yet. I'll probably just keep my Xlab torpedo cage and see what real estate I have left for the computer.

He just said there's potentially a massive performance advantage associated with the integrated bottle. You're not going to try it and see if it works? I guess I'd probably give it a shot if I had this bar
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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Sorry, meant the width between armrests. It doesn't matter for the XY calc (as all the adjustments are independent).
You would need a Cobb or STS headset cover. The minimum I've used in the system is 9mm (as that is common) so a Cobb would get you right on the Y target and 1mm from X.



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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [kileyay] [ In reply to ]
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kileyay wrote:
The GMAN wrote:
I haven't thought of BTA or computer mounts yet. I'll probably just keep my Xlab torpedo cage and see what real estate I have left for the computer.


He just said there's potentially a massive performance advantage associated with the integrated bottle. You're not going to try it and see if it works? I guess I'd probably give it a shot if I had this bar


Not yet available. I'd also like to add that I'm not sure it would play well with the Dimond brake cover. I haven't found one single BTA system that "hangs" between the bars to work with the Dimond.

cyclenutnz wrote:


The integrated bottle is still a few months away from hitting the market. It's not an easy thing to make.

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Sorry, meant the width between armrests. It doesn't matter for the XY calc (as all the adjustments are independent).
You would need a Cobb or STS headset cover. The minimum I've used in the system is 9mm (as that is common) so a Cobb would get you right on the Y target and 1mm from X.

Would I be better served with the 100mm stem?

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You can use the long stem, but your accuracy slips out by 0.1mm!!
To clear the dimond brake cover you're probably better with the long stem and it would give you a chance at the bottle.
You can see the Stevens has a bayonet here and here - the Bottle is a fair way ahead of the HT and the rubber gusset gets cut to match


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cyclenutnz wrote:
You can use the long stem, but your accuracy slips out by 0.1mm!!
To clear the dimond brake cover you're probably better with the long stem and it would give you a chance at the bottle.
You can see the Stevens has a bayonet here and here - the Bottle is a fair way ahead of the HT and the rubber gusset gets cut to match

Thanks! I ordered the 100mm stem. Despite it causing my fit accuracy to be off by .1mm.

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Do you know of a Garmin mount that works with those extensions? The extensions are larger then the standard 22.2.

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timmywins wrote:
Do you know of a Garmin mount that works with those extensions? The extensions are larger then the standard 22.2.

I am using the Garmin mount with the o ring type straps on a cheap clamp on computer mount and it works awesome. I wasn't aware that the extensions were a different diameter? This is the one I have....https://www.amazon.com/...ter%2Bmount&th=1
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Do you know of a Garmin mount that works with those extensions? The extensions are larger then the standard 22.2.
Which one are you talking about? Enve bar uses standard width extensions, I know because I've replaced them with Profile Designs...
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The extensions start out at the 22.2 standard size, then as they extend out they get thicker. Thats why none of the standard garmin mounts work.

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The GMAN wrote:
cyclenutnz wrote:
GreatScott wrote:

-Any concerns about running Magura RT8 brakes on the AU?


Nothing I can think of.

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-The reach from the BB to the back of my pads is 485, of which 437 comes from my size 58 P3 frame. How would you recommend replicating those numbers with the AU? In other words, can I get there with the 70mm or 100mm AU stem?


And now we come to (part of) why PD engage my services as a consultant - I've modelled the fit options of most aerobars on the market for the velogicfit bike finder so can calculate the fit for most bikes/bars.
Your Pad Y still 660?


Accuracy is radial distance from target in XYZ.
You might choose to slam the steerer spacers in favour of more under the pads. So 10mm on the steerer and 30mm under the pads will move x forward 3mm and should give you enough clearance to use the Bridge and BTA.

The integrated bottle is still a few months away from hitting the market. It's not an easy thing to make.


David,
My frame stack and reach is 540 and 425. My current pad stack and reach is 605 and 500. What's your recommendation on setup with the 70mm stem?

David, same question but now with the 100mm stem. I'm going to build it up this weekend. Putting SRAM eTap on there as well.

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timmywins wrote:
The extensions start out at the 22.2 standard size, then as they extend out they get thicker. Thats why none of the standard garmin mounts work.

I never noticed, must not be much of a difference. I didn't use those extensions for long, but I did have a garmin mount attached. This is the mount I have, it's a two-piece bracket so it fits even if extension size is a little off standard.

https://smile.amazon.com/X-Lab-C-Fast-Computer-Mount-Black/dp/B00OPEZ8GI/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1505927247&sr=8-2&keywords=XLAB+C-Fast
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Re: Profile Design Aeria Ultimate aerobar and stem [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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Installed the PD Aeria Ultimate bar and stem today. I couldn't use the stem cap or stem expander as they didn't fit in my 1 1/8" steerer tube. No real biggie.

Put the Zipp EVO 110 extensions on there instead of the PD extensions.

How are people routing the brake cables/housings with this combo?

I'm putting SRAM eTap on there tomorrow so I need to find a clean way to run the Clic and Blip wires. Looks like the Blipbox will go right on the stem pretty nicely.

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can you please post a picture of your set up when completed.

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Re: Profile Design Aeria Ultimate aerobar and stem [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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i installed it on my Cervelo P3. basic installation very easy
tried outside and I had to adjust the pads with spacers...
this operation on this bar system is a hell! you can't do it alone for sure. you need somebody helping you on holding the screw holes in place otherwise you ll never make it
i can't imagine who thought this system for the spacers. yes you have plenty of options for the spacers but how you screw them in is unbelievable!

my first impression is very positive in riding
very negative in setting it up with different spacers than default

any other?
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BMANX wrote:
can you please post a picture of your set up when completed.

+1
Yes, Please do.
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cyclenutnz wrote:
GreatScott wrote:
Can the AU be configured for a standard bottle BTA?


Yes, the bridge for the spacer pedestal can have a BTA attachment added.
You have fore/aft adjustment by choosing which of the squares locks into the hole on the bridge:


This is the same BTA mount that fits on the J5 bridge.
I realise that the instructions for the AU are sparse and that this sort of info should be covered, I shall be taking charge of improving the information for the bar.

The downside of any integrated bar is less flexibility compared to a modular setup. However, the AU narrows the differential to the point that there isn't a practical downside. The modular bars can get the pads slightly wider but we're talking 27 vs 29 cm so it's special case territory anyway. Obviously the cost is a non-trivial factor, but that mostly goes towards speed.


Holy crap the instructions that came with this suck.

How the hell do you mount the stuff pictured above?

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The GMAN wrote:
cyclenutnz wrote:
GreatScott wrote:
Can the AU be configured for a standard bottle BTA?


Yes, the bridge for the spacer pedestal can have a BTA attachment added.
You have fore/aft adjustment by choosing which of the squares locks into the hole on the bridge:


This is the same BTA mount that fits on the J5 bridge.
I realise that the instructions for the AU are sparse and that this sort of info should be covered, I shall be taking charge of improving the information for the bar.

The downside of any integrated bar is less flexibility compared to a modular setup. However, the AU narrows the differential to the point that there isn't a practical downside. The modular bars can get the pads slightly wider but we're talking 27 vs 29 cm so it's special case territory anyway. Obviously the cost is a non-trivial factor, but that mostly goes towards speed.


Holy crap the instructions that came with this suck.

How the hell do you mount the stuff pictured above?

The bridge you are showing in your message is not the same as the one sold separately that can be attached to the J5 brackets itself.
http://www.trisports.com/...n-j5-bta-bridge.html

It looks like the one you have has to be used like a spacer below the armrest?! (you cannot bolt it to the J5 as it is "integrated")

Did it come stock with the aerobar?
Doesn't PD provide a picture or explanations with the bridge?
Do you think it could it be used with other PD extensions?

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The bridge you are showing in your message is not the same as the one sold separately that can be attached to the J5 brackets itself.
http://www.trisports.com/...n-j5-bta-bridge.html

It looks like the one you have has to be used like a spacer below the armrest?! (you cannot bolt it to the J5 as it is "integrated")

Did it come stock with the aerobar?
Doesn't PD provide a picture or explanations with the bridge?
Do you think it could it be used with other PD extensions?

No, the instructions don't show how to do it, as mentioned - they are woeful.

The J5 bridge only fits the J5 clipon bracket
the aeria Ultimate bridge that the GMAN is referring to only fits on the AU. It replaces a 5mm pedestal spacer.


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No, the instructions don't show how to do it, as mentioned - they are woeful.

The J5 bridge only fits the J5 clipon bracket
the aeria Ultimate bridge that the GMAN is referring to only fits on the AU. It replaces a 5mm pedestal spacer.
Yes, I guessed!
Will a BTA bridge that can work with other PD extension brackets be developed one day?
Seems easy to do, and there is nearly nothing on the market...
thanks
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cyclenutnz wrote:
the slow guy wrote:

The bridge you are showing in your message is not the same as the one sold separately that can be attached to the J5 brackets itself.
http://www.trisports.com/...n-j5-bta-bridge.html

It looks like the one you have has to be used like a spacer below the armrest?! (you cannot bolt it to the J5 as it is "integrated")

Did it come stock with the aerobar?
Doesn't PD provide a picture or explanations with the bridge?
Do you think it could it be used with other PD extensions?


No, the instructions don't show how to do it, as mentioned - they are woeful.

The J5 bridge only fits the J5 clipon bracket
the aeria Ultimate bridge that the GMAN is referring to only fits on the AU. It replaces a 5mm pedestal spacer.

I figured it out. There are no instructions at all when it comes to the BTA mount. None. There's not even a mention as to what it is. Had I not seen it in this thread already I'd have no earthly idea what it was.

Additionally, the half a page instructions for the whole setup (yes, that's all you get is half a page) include this line about the armrest spacers: 4. Aerobar bracket riser kits are included to increase the armrest height. Choose the amount of height increase needed and corresponding bolts using the attached chart.

There's no attached chart. There's like 10 different hardware bolt sets that are clearly marked but there's no chart. It would have been nice for some mention of what the base stack is with the tilt hardware. I had to figure that out. It's 20mm for those wanting to know. So I put on another 20mm spacer plus the 5mm for the BTA bridge with a slam stem. So I needed the 45 mm hardware bolt set. Once again, it would've been nice to have that info in front of me so I don't have to figure it out on my own.

A to A+ grade for quality of product. Super nice bar and stem system.
F for instructions. We are talking about cheap, Japanese toy level of instruction manuals for an aerobar system that costs $1,200.

Others should follow TriRig's lead on this. Their instructions on their website for the Alpha X are near perfect.

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I figured it out. There are no instructions at all when it comes to the BTA mount. None. There's not even a mention as to what it is. Had I not seen it in this thread already I'd have no earthly idea what it was.

Additionally, the half a page instructions for the whole setup (yes, that's all you get is half a page) include this line about the armrest spacers: 4. Aerobar bracket riser kits are included to increase the armrest height. Choose the amount of height increase needed and corresponding bolts using the attached chart.

There's no attached chart. There's like 10 different hardware bolt sets that are clearly marked but there's no chart. It would have been nice for some mention of what the base stack is with the tilt hardware. I had to figure that out. It's 20mm for those wanting to know. So I put on another 20mm spacer plus the 5mm for the BTA bridge with a slam stem. So I needed the 45 mm hardware bolt set. Once again, it would've been nice to have that info in front of me so I don't have to figure it out on my own.

A to A+ grade for quality of product. Super nice bar and stem system.
F for instructions. We are talking about cheap, Japanese toy level of instruction manuals for an aerobar system that costs $1,200.

Others should follow TriRig's lead on this. Their instructions on their website for the Alpha X are near perfect.


I do agree the instructions are very poor. Plus there is very few picture of the whole setup assembled, so for the routing part through the stem it's basically a trial and error..

@[The GMAN] Can you send a picture of your setup and some explanations regarding the BTA? I have the parts, but didn't spend the time to try to figure it out yet..
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I had to nix the BTA mount for now. The tilt extension spacer thing has to go on top as it's affixed to the armrests, and the BTA bridge spacer goes between the aforementioned tilt thing and any other armrest spacers. In order to use the BTA bridge and mount you need about 30-35 mm of clearance underneath for the Aeria Ultimate stem top plate. I only have a 20mm spacer underneath right now. We shall see after I ride it a few times whether or not I need to add spacers.

I will take some pics later of what the BTA bridge and spacer looks like together.

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Can you post pics of your setup? Curious to see the AU in a real-life setup. Also interested in your opinion on the bar now that you've survived the install.

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I know I owe you guys some pics of my setup but I’m trying a couple of things to clean up the eTap Blip Box and Clics/Blips wires. So I don’t have it where I want it yet.

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Does anybody have any pictures of the stem and bar set up together yet? Pics online still seem scarce. Trying to set up on a new P2 with Tririg brakes and Di2. My mechanic has some reservations about some of the angles the rear brake cable will have to make if routed internally through the bar and stem and through the top of the top tube.
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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Sweet jesus, those clamps from the Eurobike pics are lovely.

My favorite extension to this day is the Sonic Stryke, with the original exit holes removed, and new ones drilled through the back of the extension like these ones. The ergonomics of that bar are easily as good as Zipp's EVO 70.

Currently I have them strapped to a custom USE Tula inspired base bar I built, as they are the only extensions around with a flat mounting surface on the bottom. I'd wager they could be retrofitted to quite a number of different base systems that now exist.
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I had no issue routing the brake housing and cable through the bar and stem. TriRig Omega X brakes and Dimond frame.

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I'm hoping to use the stem with a tririg front brake (with the 'no hanger back plate') and a PD Svet basebar. I have the stem but it doesn't come with a cable stop for centre pull brakes. CycleNutz is trying to get PD to send me one though, so fingers crossed. Will post pics if/when I get it all sorted.
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PD Customer Service sent me the cable stop about a week ago. Haven't had a chance to mess with it yet. I'm trying to do roughly the same thing with a different basebar than your Svet.

CS was pretty insistent that the stop won't work unless you have a base bar with the cables coming out the center of the clamp. I've got a base bar I've modified to route that way which I'm going to try it with. I can also try routing another way. Not sure when I will get to it though. I will post pics as well whenever it happens.

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chicanery wrote:
Sweet jesus, those clamps from the Eurobike pics are lovely.

Thanks. The aim was a clean, low stack setup with lots of adjustment. It has turned out pretty well.

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My favorite extension to this day is the Sonic Stryke, .

Pity they were so short (and I am not). I might suggest that you watch this space though...


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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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While I appreciate the sentiment - you are clearly an engineer with connections that gets shit done, I'm an engineer that just builds it myself.

I have a Lulzbot Taz 6 with nearly a 12x12x12 capacity, so anything I can imagine is generally something I can bring to life these days.

The Stryke's length was perfect for me. I have a short upper body, but long arms (moreso in the upper rather than the forearm), so they are just fine.
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Could someone who owns this bar clarify the min/max pad reach offset values from the center of the bar. PD claims "Reach: -21mm to 92mm". Their graphs suggest these values are to the rear of the pads. However, these seem way off. Their claimed stack values of 25mm - 105mm are a joke, so I'm assuming these reach values are measured to some other (mysterious) point as well.

After some thought, could the reach values be -21 to -92? These make more sense.

If you can, shed some light, please.
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Jim@EROsports wrote:
I would wait to make any decision until the week of Kona. Just sayin'. ;-)

Hi Jim - was there a new bar announced in Kona?

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I belive those measurements are from the center of where the stem clamps to the bar.
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Delayed a few weeks. I'd look to the first week of November.

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I have have a couple pics to share. Please have mercy on my spacer-abusing soul.

Huge thanks to Cyclenutnz.

I am really happy with it thus far. It came out pretty clean from the front. The only real issue I’m having is finding a home for the junction box. The 5 port doesn’t fit in the 70mm unless I am doing t wrong. I may just have to stick it down where it is. I originally had all the wires exiting the rear, but seems even with a new PD ATTK IC, there isn’t quite enough cable from the horn shifters to get that far. Any suggestions would be welcome.

The cable stop works, but sort of an interesting design in that it angles back toward the head tube and not really toward the brake on the 70mm.

http://a63.tinypic.com/1zvzhxj.jpg
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I don't know where those stack numbers came from, but I can clarify for you
The minimum stack of the bar on its own is 47.5mm including cushion
The stack of the stem is 12mm (+- a tiny bit if your HTA not 72.5deg)
So the minimum total stack is 59.5mm from the base of the stem. Add the headset cover to get stack from the top of the frame.

Actually, looking at it I think someone has calculated the comparative stack. So the min bar stack would be ~25mm if using a -6deg stem.

The reach values have been given relative to the frame xy point. So 21mm behind the frame reach through to 92 in front. That should really be explained on the page.
If you want the values for bar only the max setback is 91mm (to rear of pad).

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I'd put a JC41 inside the stem and route the basebar shifters to there. Then you only need a 3port

Have noted feedback about cable stop angle, happily I wasn't responsible for the execution of that concept.


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I am finally getting down to giving this a try today. Do you mean a jc41 for each set of shifters, or that with a jc41, the 3 port will also fit in the stem?

I may just be approaching it wrong. The issue I am running into, is that any of the 4 wires if internally routed direct to the 3/5 port, will not have enough length to allow the 3/5 port to reach the bento. The bar ends reach about to the cavity in the stem, and the base bars reach out an inch or two but not quite far enough.
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Re: Profile Design Aeria Ultimate aerobar and stem [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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Hmmmm. Looks like the cable stop is foul on the head tube if you try running the stem slammed.

Did PD actually try fitting this to a bike before releasing to the market?
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Re: Profile Design Aeria Ultimate aerobar and stem [Elktonkool] [ In reply to ]
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Elktonkool wrote:

The cable stop works, but sort of an interesting design in that it angles back toward the head tube and not really toward the brake on the 70mm.


This awkward angle is present on the 100 mm stem as well. But it's not a show-stopper.

Also, the stem doesn't seem to play well with low profile headset dust caps. The one on the picture below has 4 mm of stack, and the bulge on the bottom of the stem doesn't allow the stem to settle on the dust cap on all sides (it rests on the bulge). I never would have thought I'm going to hunt for a dust cap with more stack:)


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Is that an Orbea? How do you like it? Any qualms about having to shim the steerer tube?
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Yes, that's an Orbea Ordu. I have no complaints. Obviously I was not happy with the Vision cockpit that came with the bike, thus my hunt for a bit lower and more adjustable one. No trouble from the shim on the steerer.
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Re: Profile Design Aeria Ultimate aerobar and stem [snny] [ In reply to ]
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Can you post a picture that shows how the stem and bar looks on that frame?
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Re: Profile Design Aeria Ultimate aerobar and stem [minimalist] [ In reply to ]
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Here you go.

I added 7 mm of spacers underneath the stem. It would probably be nice to print/mould something to take up the empty space between the spacers and the frame. Other than that, I think it looks OK.


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Thanks. I've been thinking about a ride exactly like that one, you even got the colors right ;-)
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Re: Profile Design Aeria Ultimate aerobar and stem [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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Does anyone now the width of the stem clamping area for the aeria ultimate bar?
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bllx wrote:
Does anyone now the width of the stem clamping area for the aeria ultimate bar?

It's a typical 31.8 mm.

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The GMAN wrote:
bllx wrote:
Does anyone now the width of the stem clamping area for the aeria ultimate bar?

It's a typical 31.8 mm.

Yes, but how wide is the central section were the stem clamps? I.e. how narrow does the stem need to be to fit?
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [Jim@EROsports] [ In reply to ]
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Jim@EROsports wrote:
robgray wrote:
Jim@EROsports wrote:
I would wait to make any decision until the week of Kona. Just sayin'. ;-)


Hi Jim - was there a new bar announced in Kona?
Delayed a few weeks. I'd look to the first week of November.

Jim, was this new bar announced yet?
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [tie3] [ In reply to ]
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tomorrow, i believe
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [tie3] [ In reply to ]
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Tomorrow.

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Re: Profile Design Aeria Ultimate aerobar and stem [Plissken74] [ In reply to ]
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Hello,

Can you post a pic of the AU on your P3?

Scott

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Re: Profile Design Aeria Ultimate aerobar and stem [Elktonkool] [ In reply to ]
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“The cable stop works, but sort of an interesting design in that it angles back toward the head tube and not really toward the brake on the 70mm. ”

edit; nevermind, wasn’t sure what a cable stop is, figured it out and see your point.

Scott

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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [Jim@EROsports] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Jim,

Other than the obvious benefit of stack flexibility, what advantages does TriRig’s Alpha One have over Profile Design’s AU (or, vice-versa)?

Alternatively, do you prefer the Alpha X or the Aeria Ultimate?

Just curious as you may be one of the few to see each bar in the wild. Plus, you brought the Alpha One into the discussion. 🙂

Scott

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Re: Profile Design Aeria Ultimate aerobar and stem [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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Still happy now that you (presumably) have some time on the bar?

Ps - You should update the OP to include a pic of the Aeria Ultimate (vs Enve).

Scott

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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [GreatScott] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Jim,

Other than the obvious benefit of stack flexibility, what advantages does TriRig’s Alpha One have over Profile Design’s AU (or, vice-versa)?

Alternatively, do you prefer the Alpha X or the Aeria Ultimate?

Just curious as you may be one of the few to see each bar in the wild. Plus, you brought the Alpha One into the discussion. 🙂

Scott

The One is $200 cheaper, so that's good. As you stated, greater flexibility of stack with the One, but more fore/aft adjustment for the Aeria. The One is certainly easier to adjust, but I understand the concerns over reliability, and that has to be answered. Pick 'em, but in the looks department, the One is certainly sexier. For Gucci Factor, it wins hands down. I mean, let's just be honest here, if you believe it's reliable, you're going to pic the TriRig for that reason alone.

The integrated hydration on the Aeria is possibly an aero improvement, though fugly as hell. That, though, is likely frame and athlete dependent.

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Re: Profile Design Aeria Ultimate aerobar and stem [GreatScott] [ In reply to ]
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Hello,

Can you post a pic of the AU on your P3?

Scott

i had to use 3T aerobars because cabling was impossible for eTap with the original aerobars
Aeria Ultimate base bar + 3T aerobars

see pic here
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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Does anyone know if Profile will be offering this Aeria stem in 120mm?
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [davetallo] [ In reply to ]
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Does anyone know if Profile will be offering this Aeria stem in 120mm?

Definitely not. By the end of 2018 all the PD aerobars will have a similarly expansive x fit range to the aeria ultimate. Longer stems become such an edge case that they can't be justified.

There will be a flatter angle stem.


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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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Pity. I suppose I will have to create some kind of hack to attach the little mounting bracket for the Aeria hydration system to a non-Aeria stem - I really want to use that system.


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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [davetallo] [ In reply to ]
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I don't like your chances, the stem and bottle shaping is quite specific.
And you don't want to be drilling stems.

Is your aim to use the stem/hydration with current bar?


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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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cyclenutnz wrote:
I don't like your chances, the stem and bottle shaping is quite specific.
And you don't want to be drilling stems.

Is your aim to use the stem/hydration with current bar?


You’re underestimating my Dremel skills! I could see reshaping and securing the mount to a different stem using a two-part epoxy, but I agree ... there’s no way I would drill into a stem.

The bar is a use Tula, which is the hitch ... if I didn’t like that bar so much, I would be tempted to get the full Aeria system. But that would mean I would be spending 1G just for no reason other than running the hydration system, which is not the most sensible approach.
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [davetallo] [ In reply to ]
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The potential aero advantage of the bottle might make the 1G worth it. Depends on your frame. Don't have shareable data yet. Which bike are you on.


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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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Qr cd0.1. That’s the rub ... a long and low frame, with a long stem.

But tour earlier teasers of some of the data, and Jim’s earlier findings with the torhans-close-to-head tube config, have definitely got my attention.
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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There will be a flatter angle stem.

100 to 110mm "X" lenght, more "Y", Integrated junction box (even if it's just the new one EW-RS910 I'm willing to invest) with access to press button and charging port, a bit lighter. Where do I sign ? ;-)
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Re: Profile Design Aeria Ultimate aerobar and stem [Elktonkool] [ In reply to ]
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In the event everybody hasn’t turned their interest to the new Tririg bar, I switched to the 100mm from the 70mm and it seems to work a lot better. It took a little finagling but 5 port fits inside and there is a hole on the side that isn’t present on the 70 to access the charger port. I’m not using the included cap at this point because i am experimenting with position at the moment and don’t want to commit to cutting the steerer yet.
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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Hello,

I see the HSF Aeria Bottle is now on the market. What can you tell us about the benefits of using this bottle with the AU Bar?

Scott

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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [GreatScott] [ In reply to ]
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Not a lot, I still don't have one so it's quite hard to test.
One bike brand has tested a significant boost to bike performance from using the HSF Aeria, but that data isn't shareable.
The aim of the bottle is to make 'mortal' bikes super, so the gusset is intended to be cut to tuck up against the head tube.
Comes with a satellite magnet so the hose can be positioned up by your hands.

A definite benefit is that it's very good value - for the cost of development it should be about 3x the price...


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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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I assume the part on the lower back is a bento of some sort. Is that correct?

Is it required to mount the system? There's no way that part is going to clear the head tube/front brake cover on my Dimond. I don't think it will clear the cover without that bento part either but I'll try it out to see.

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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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That's the gusset that you cut to match your frame.
As shown here:


It is optional - clips on to the back of the bottle. But it's part of the package - giving a smooth transition from bottle to frame.
Doesn't store anything unless you are both creative and extremely dextrous (would not be easy to access).


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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks. That gussett definitely isn't going to fit on my bike but I'm going to see if the bottle will work.

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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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if i get the AU to use on a qr pr6 thst had its own integrated stem meaning i can't use the AU stem, is our possible for me to use this profile design hydration system? it looks nice, but i can't use the AU stem on the pr6. thx.

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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [Sanrafaeltri] [ In reply to ]
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It mounts directly to the stem. The stem, not the bar, is the one and only component necessary for the HFS Aeria.

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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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cyclenutnz wrote:
That's the gusset that you cut to match your frame.
As shown here:


It is optional - clips on to the back of the bottle. But it's part of the package - giving a smooth transition from bottle to frame.
Doesn't store anything unless you are both creative and extremely dextrous (would not be easy to access).

How much does it protrude below the stem? What are the overall dimensions?
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [Sanrafaeltri] [ In reply to ]
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The HSF Aeria doesn't fit on the PR6 stem at this point. It can only go on the AU stem.


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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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Any thoughts on the impact for an older P2?

This is a lot like a box design I was playing with using a 3d printer. I'm very interested but want more information first.
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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Can the HSF awria fit on other bars provided one uses the Aeria stem?

Thanks
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Re: Profile Design Aeria Ultimate aerobar and stem [Elktonkool] [ In reply to ]
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I would be interested to see if you can manage to actually fit the charger to the junction box in the stem.
I did the same with mine but made sure i fully charged the battery before fitting - not the best long term solution mind you!


Elktonkool wrote:
It took a little finagling but 5 port fits inside and there is a hole on the side that isn’t present on the 70 to access the charger port.
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Re: Profile Design Aeria Ultimate aerobar and stem [The Red Baron] [ In reply to ]
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That's why I ended up keeping it outside of mine for winter training until I find a better solution (probably with the integrated bottle...), or will only insert it in the stem by race season time.
For now I used the round holes on the right side and have the junction box in front of it, managed to make my junction box works with only 3 wires by having a 4 ports JC41 inside the stem. I know I can do two wires with the new EW-JC130 wires but not in a rush to change.
Really looking forward to that bottle availability, it's probably the missing part of my setup right now !
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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cyclenutnz: By flatter, do you mean more drop? or less drop?


cyclenutnz wrote:
There will be a flatter angle stem.
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [bloodyshogun] [ In reply to ]
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Less drop. I'd describe the current stem as declined


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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [ejd_mil] [ In reply to ]
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Yes, as long as the extensions are not too low (~50mm stack) or too narrow (less than 100mm)


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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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Makes sense and thanks!

Would it be possible to use the HCA as a storage device and run a BTA over it?

Thanks
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [ejd_mil] [ In reply to ]
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ejd_mil wrote:

Would it be possible to use the HCA as a storage device and run a BTA over it?

Anything is possible if you get creative. But it hasn't been designed with that purpose in mind.


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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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I received the HSF Aeria bottle a couple of days ago. Installed it yesterday and it fits on my Dimond, barely, but it fits. No way it would have worked with the 70mm stem as it would not have cleared the Dimond's brake cover.

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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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would you mind sharing a few photos?
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Re: Profile Design Aeria Ultimate aerobar and stem [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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This looks pretty awesome...nice to see the computer mount moving forward....my preference is computer between the bar tips (learned from a st poster).....that way you can push buttons in aero and you can read it with the minimum movement of eyes from the road
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [frenchieTT] [ In reply to ]
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frenchieTT wrote:
would you mind sharing a few photos?

It might be a bit before I can get some pics. My cockpit is currently a work in progress that I will finish up in a couple of weeks.

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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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No worries. How much does the hydration goes down below the stem?
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [frenchieTT] [ In reply to ]
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No worries. How much does the hydration goes down below the stem?

This is the question I would like answered. From the bottom of the stem to the bottom of the hydration reservoir, what's the length?

I sort of wonder if there is any bike with a TriRig Omega X or any external brake that would accommodate this bottle when the bar is at or close to the lowest configuration.
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [kileyay] [ In reply to ]
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kileyay wrote:
frenchieTT wrote:
No worries. How much does the hydration goes down below the stem?

This is the question I would like answered. From the bottom of the stem to the bottom of the hydration reservoir, what's the length?

I sort of wonder if there is any bike with a TriRig Omega X or any external brake that would accommodate this bottle when the bar is at or close to the lowest configuration.
Yep, me too.
Thinking about the bar/stem/hydration combo on my B10 with omega x.

-shoki
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [kileyay] [ In reply to ]
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No chance on your setup I would guess.

However, a flat kit or some such could be fashioned to hide the rest of your front end.

You know who to call for that.
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [chicanery] [ In reply to ]
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Just yesterday, I received 2 of the hydration kits from Ceepo to go on my Viper-R frames. I have 2 of the bottles, but only 1 stem at the moment. The other stem is still to be shipped out. I mocked it up on my frame, and it looks good.

The stem is 100mm length, and rather heavy. The computer mount can be removed, and a second cover that's smooth fits in its place. The straw is big, and has a strong magnet to keep it folded down. The fill hole has 2 layers of star-slit-cuts to keep upspalsh down.

Happy to answer any questions.

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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [Taugen] [ In reply to ]
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Yeah,could you measure from the bottom of the stem to the bottom of the bottle / fairing. Thanks

-shoki
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [shoki] [ In reply to ]
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Sorry, it's not the clearest photo I could snap. Hope it helps.

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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [Taugen] [ In reply to ]
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Thanx a lot,another shot measured at the steerer would be highly appreciated.

-shoki
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [Taugen] [ In reply to ]
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So that flat black (rubber maybe) material under the stem/behind bottle, do you trim that for best fit?
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [WatsonNh] [ In reply to ]
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WatsonNh wrote:
So that flat black (rubber maybe) material under the stem/behind bottle, do you trim that for best fit?

Yes.

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Now that I finally have some of the bottles.
The unofficial answer to the question of "how low can you go with the HSF Aeria?"

The frame pictured has stack of 517mm, the headtube + headset cover is 110mm
The stem shown is the long (100mm) option

With a normal brake caliper




You can see that there is plenty of clearance vertically
The problem arises when we consider the caliper arm sticking out





It would be necessary to cut the gusset short of the head tube to provide clearance for the arm.
Could potentially fit on a slightly shorter headtube but would be a case of checking for a particular frame and caliper.
Would not fit with the 70mm stem at this height (arm would hit bottle).


Easier if we move on to centre routed calipers





The Magura would be beautifully hidden away. Once the gusset is fitted there would only be another 4mm clearance to the top of the caliper, so a 51cm NP2/3 or P5-Three would need a spacer under the stem to make it to 522 (as the absolute minimum) stack of frame +headset+spacers
Would not fit with the 70mm stem at this stack height


This image will likely not feature in the official fitting guide, but this mechanical centrepull caliper goes very nicely with the bottle.





Plenty of clearance. In fact you could go 20mm lower (probably, again this would require checking). Which brings it into scope for a 48 NP with a spacer under the stem.
Marginal on a 48 QR PR Series but good for a 50 (will not fit these sizes with a Shimano caliper)
Will it fit a 51 P4 with the steerer cut so short that you can't fit a spacer under the stem...No.


And finally - with the gusset on. Needs to be cut to match the headtube better. Will do that later.
Will attempt to put my bike together so I can field test too.







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Perfect,thanx a lot for the effort to show it with different brakes.

-shoki
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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Would love to see this mounted on a felt IAx..

Am I reading that the bottle fits better with the 100mm stem?

Do we know if much testing has been done on rough roads with these? I had a garmin bike computer go flying at frankfurt this year when my torhans mount snapped :(
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [paulmartin] [ In reply to ]
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paulmartin wrote:
Am I reading that the bottle fits better with the 100mm stem?

That's probably bike and bike size dependent. As I mentioned earlier, the bottle would not fit on my bike if I had the 70mm stem. Dimond has a brake cover that protrudes out a fair bit and I barely clear it with the 100mm stem. My Dimond is a size M, which is equivalent to a L or 56 from other bike manufacturers.

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thanks for this

cyclenutnz wrote:
Now that I finally have some of the bottles.
The unofficial answer to the question of "how low can you go with the HSF Aeria?"

The frame pictured has stack of 517mm, the headtube + headset cover is 110mm
The stem shown is the long (100mm) option

With a normal brake caliper




You can see that there is plenty of clearance vertically
The problem arises when we consider the caliper arm sticking out





It would be necessary to cut the gusset short of the head tube to provide clearance for the arm.
Could potentially fit on a slightly shorter headtube but would be a case of checking for a particular frame and caliper.
Would not fit with the 70mm stem at this height (arm would hit bottle).


Easier if we move on to centre routed calipers





The Magura would be beautifully hidden away. Once the gusset is fitted there would only be another 4mm clearance to the top of the caliper, so a 51cm NP2/3 or P5-Three would need a spacer under the stem to make it to 522 (as the absolute minimum) stack of frame +headset+spacers
Would not fit with the 70mm stem at this stack height


This image will likely not feature in the official fitting guide, but this mechanical centrepull caliper goes very nicely with the bottle.





Plenty of clearance. In fact you could go 20mm lower (probably, again this would require checking). Which brings it into scope for a 48 NP with a spacer under the stem.
Marginal on a 48 QR PR Series but good for a 50 (will not fit these sizes with a Shimano caliper)
Will it fit a 51 P4 with the steerer cut so short that you can't fit a spacer under the stem...No.


And finally - with the gusset on. Needs to be cut to match the headtube better. Will do that later.
Will attempt to put my bike together so I can field test too.





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cyclenutnz wrote:


This image will likely not feature in the official fitting guide, but this mechanical centrepull caliper goes very nicely with the bottle.







What caliper is that?

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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [gary p] [ In reply to ]
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Tririg Omega

-shoki
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shoki wrote:
Tririg Omega

Ah, I was hoping there was a cheaper option. Not sure the tri-rig is worth the $ since most of the aero goodness is hidden under the shroud. Wonder if a Campag rear TT brake could be configured to work? They're only ~$40.

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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [gary p] [ In reply to ]
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Funny talking bout pricing of a brake while thinking bout a 150$ waterbottle.;-) (not to mention the stem or the bar)

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Funny talking bout pricing of a brake while thinking bout a 150$ waterbottle.;-) (not to mention the stem or the bar)

Well, I'm looking a the the stem/bottle combo as a possible cheap(ish) way to aerodynamically tidy up the front end of a basic tri bike. The fact that it holds water is just a bonus.

"They're made of latex, not nitroglycerin"
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gary p wrote:

Ah, I was hoping there was a cheaper option. Not sure the tri-rig is worth the $ since most of the aero goodness is hidden under the shroud. Wonder if a Campag rear TT brake could be configured to work? They're only ~$40.

That bugs me too. Testing is limited so far but what has been done shows that the bottle is far more significant than the marginal gains from the centrepull caliper. So it makes a lot more sense to go with the bottle and a cheap brake that doesn't block the gusset. Unfortunately there aren't any cost effective front centrepull calipers now - I can't recommend putting rear brakes on the front in order to use PD product.

Will see if I can find a Transition to test on as that would answer the question in a safe way.


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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [gary p] [ In reply to ]
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Probably the cheapest option in that case might be to place a regular bottle (Trohans aero 20/30;Profile....) there and tape a plastic sheet to it for a nice fairing to the steerer tube.
This can’t be called cheating anymore since the PD aeria ultimate bottle....cause it’s a none structural part, let’s call it fairing, right there.
The plus From the aero30 over the ultimate bottle from my POV is the weight is place a little lower and closer to the steerer.

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shoki wrote:
This can’t be called cheating anymore since the PD aeria ultimate bottle....cause it’s a none structural part, let’s call it fairing, right there.

I'm not confident in your interpretation.
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shoki wrote:
This can’t be called cheating anymore since the PD aeria ultimate bottle....cause it’s a none structural part, let’s call it fairing, right there.

I'm not confident in your interpretation.

I mean, Gary p wants a none expensive aero option for the front
So why not using something like I said and tape the gap with some plastic or whatever to get the same result
I know to put something just for fairing is not legal BUT I don’t see any difference in this factory made fairing, got nothing structural as far as I see it in the pictures.

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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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My bottle should arrive this week to test on a Neil Pryde 48cm, 100 Aeria Stem and TRP 860 brake.

Pretty much expecting it not to fit now

1) Suspect it would need 5mm more stack clearance from front tyre
2) bottle would found 860 brake with cable stop fit fitted. Might fit with 860 cover removed.

I've an Omega-X to solve 2).

A small shallower bottle with 1 cm less stack for 48 and 51 would mean they'll have coverage across pretty much every frame size. As the NP is about as low you can get without going to 650b wheels
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [emerywd] [ In reply to ]
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emerywd wrote:

A small shallower bottle with 1 cm less stack for 48 and 51 would mean they'll have coverage across pretty much every frame size. As the NP is about as low you can get without going to 650b wheels

Unfortunately that's not going to happen, they're so expensive to make that multiple sizes are not realistic.


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Ive already been googling 'plastic hot knife' in anticipation of that!
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I tried it on my Dimond but the magnetic cover of the Superfork will be in the way.
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Do you still need the brake cover if you have the AU system though?
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I tried it on my Dimond but the magnetic cover of the Superfork will be in the way.


70 or 100mm stem. Yeah, no way it works with the 70mm stem but fits fine on the 100mm.







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Do you still need the brake cover if you have the AU system though?

Yes, see my pics.

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Bitchin' Camaro

The GMAN wrote:
campled wrote:
I tried it on my Dimond but the magnetic cover of the Superfork will be in the way.


70 or 100mm stem. Yeah, no way it works with the 70mm stem but fits fine on the 100mm.






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Haha. When I installed it the first thing I thought of was the Bullet from Mario Kart.



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Yeah, I see now. Thx. Nice looking setup!
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I am using an ENVE stem and was hoping I can retrofit the bottle since it has a similar shape.
However it doesn't.
Now trying to order the Aeria 100mm stem but out of stock all over.


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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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I have the 70mm stem for sale in the Classifieds if anyone is interested. Still brand new and never used.

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Do you know if there are any plans by PD to add tilt adjustability to the older Aeria Aerobar?
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There is something on the way for later this year.


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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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Do you know if this bottle set up would work with a p5-6 with the beard extending out beyond headtube or could it fit if you remove beard? Or maybe the gusset can essentially be a beard replacement?

Also does the bottle only need the Aeria stem for compatibility or does it also need to Ultimate Aeria Aerobar? I have regular carbon Aeria so if I bought the ultimate stem, would the bottle fit with that set up?
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is that Enve stem not "slammable"?

campled wrote:
I am using an ENVE stem and was hoping I can retrofit the bottle since it has a similar shape.
However it doesn't.
Now trying to order the Aeria 100mm stem but out of stock all over.


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Will need to cut off the top of the brake cover if i slam the Enve stem.
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Re: Profile Design Aeria Ultimate aerobar and stem [snny] [ In reply to ]
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Snny,

Any issues with the brakes with how the front cable is bent? I have an Ordu OMP as well and considering this setup although my one concern is the brake and also getting my stack and reach right.
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it won't hit your headtube?

thanks

campled wrote:
Will need to cut off the top of the brake cover if i slam the Enve stem.

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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [DFW_Tri] [ In reply to ]
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Beard only works with Aduro bar/stem. Bottle only works with AU stem, so you can't have both. Not that you need both as shown below.
Astrid hadn't cut the gusset to match her head tube cleanly, she just has the brake covers, no beard.



You don't need the AU bar, just the stem. Which fits fine with original Aeria.


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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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Thank you for the reply. I plan to try this set up.
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kart17 wrote:
I have an Ordu OMP as well and considering this setup although my one concern is the brake and also getting my stack and reach right.

What size is your Ordu and what is your pad XYZ (to rear centre of pads, including cushion)?


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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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Man, the whole package looks so slick.
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [paulmartin] [ In reply to ]
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Would love to see this mounted on a felt IAx..

Am I reading that the bottle fits better with the 100mm stem?

Do we know if much testing has been done on rough roads with these? I had a garmin bike computer go flying at frankfurt this year when my torhans mount snapped :(

I'm also curious if anyone has had success using this on a Felt IAxx, particularly with a TriRig Omega brake.
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kart17 wrote:
I have an Ordu OMP as well and considering this setup although my one concern is the brake and also getting my stack and reach right.


What size is your Ordu and what is your pad XYZ (to rear centre of pads, including cushion)?

Size Medium Ordu OMP
My coordinates are:
X: 460 to center of pads. I have experimented going to 480 by moving the pads forward it doesn't really bother me.
Y: 620 to top of pads.
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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which BTS bottle holder is that?

cyclenutnz wrote:
Beard only works with Aduro bar/stem. Bottle only works with AU stem, so you can't have both. Not that you need both as shown below.
Astrid hadn't cut the gusset to match her head tube cleanly, she just has the brake covers, no beard.



You don't need the AU bar, just the stem. Which fits fine with original Aeria.

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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [ericMPro] [ In reply to ]
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I can't tell. I'd normally put an RM10 on a cervelo. But it might be one of the chunkier models like RML


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I took off 40mm to convert to pad x(rear)



To clear the TR brake on your size frame you really need the long stem, which is at the very limit of rearward adjustment for the above position (so it doesn't show in the results as the search is designed to not show extreme setups)
But can easily with your 480 Padx-centres




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robegan99 wrote:

I'm also curious if anyone has had success using this on a Felt IAxx, particularly with a TriRig Omega brake.

The stem fits, but I'm not liking the look of the clearance for the bottle with the nosecone.



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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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Is that the 70mm or 100mm version?

Thanks!
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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Finally have the stem, bottle, and eTap blips/clics/wires and Torhans Bento X installed as best I can. Had to do some dremel work on the Dimond Aero Box to fit the clic/blip wires to guide them into the Bento X. The Blip Box is in the Bento X.













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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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Nice. Thanks for the photos.

Is it me or is the bottle ever so slightly bent to one side?
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I might need to more center my stem to the steerer tube.

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I tried it on my Andean.
Doesn't clean up the stem area as well as the DB stem.
Wanted the chance to change the basebar/aerobar, but looks like I have to go back.
Not a fan of the flipping aerobar pads.





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Re: Profile Design Aeria Ultimate aerobar and stem [campled] [ In reply to ]
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Do you maybe have a picture of the entire Andean with the PD system on there? Just curious how it looks since the bike already looks like a spaceship
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I already removed it and put back the DB stem/ HED Corsair combo.
Managed to take a pic when I was still retrofitting the other day.



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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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Where is everyone getting the bottle from?

http://www.clperformancetraining.com
http://www.pillasport.ca
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [al-gorithm] [ In reply to ]
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As far as I know, no online retailers have it right now. I had my local shop order it from PD or you can order on PD's website.
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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Hey fellow Dimond owner. I like the integrated bottle but you would be better with a true bta with the mantis position. The arms angled up with the gap filled force the air around the body but with your arms so wide the air will travel right through hitting the torso. I have just gone similar position myself so have been doing a lot of research. I am using a vision bta bottle that has a fill point right at the top that you can use when going mantis like position.
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [Shambolic] [ In reply to ]
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Alternately. Just get those arms shoved together. Looks possible to me with those parts.
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [chicanery] [ In reply to ]
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That is the other option but comfort goes out the window IMO and a big part of finding best position especially for IM
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [Shambolic] [ In reply to ]
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Interesting. I have found the opposite in arms up. The closer, the better.
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [chicanery] [ In reply to ]
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I'm squeezing my bta hard but not forearms together to close the gap. Each to their own...
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [Shambolic] [ In reply to ]
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Bottle out front is miles more aero, and then your arm position can be more flexible.
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [chicanery] [ In reply to ]
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How have you tested this?
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frenchieTT wrote:
Nice. Thanks for the photos.

Is it me or is the bottle ever so slightly bent to one side?

I'm not sure why I made the comment that I need to center my stem to the steerer better because the whole system moves as one then.

Yes, the bottle does aim more to one side. Which is going to make my math brain of symmetry and congruence go crazy.

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chicanery wrote:
Interesting. I have found the opposite in arms up. The closer, the better.

I've found this as well but I always go hands closer than elbows. Internal rotation helps greatly with shoulder discomfort.
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [imswimmer328] [ In reply to ]
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More laps around a 3/8" mile oval race track than you can possibly imagine. I used to live about 2 blocks away and had a contact in the facilities team that would allow me to test any time it wasn't being used for something else. That was like 2005.

I don't know if I have replicated that test with Chung's VE method in Golden Cheetah. I have re-run most of my experiments that way.
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [chicanery] [ In reply to ]
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Just to clear, by “bottle out front,” do you mean the profile aeria configuration, or a horizontal BTA setup (as opposed to a BTA angled upwards on sloping extensions)?
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I mean if your extensions are steep (like 25%) in a mantis position, it's faster to put the BTA mount and bottle in front of the extensions rather than "on top". It blocks the same amount of air either way, but putting it out front essentially blends bottle to extensions to arms as a pretty nice leading edge.
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [chicanery] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks for clarifying. Kinda the TJ config, I guess.
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Yes, exactly.

Jesse Thomas is doing it now as well. His isn't the cleanest setup, but he's done some clever things.
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cyclenutnz wrote:
robegan99 wrote:


I'm also curious if anyone has had success using this on a Felt IAxx, particularly with a TriRig Omega brake.


The stem fits, but I'm not liking the look of the clearance for the bottle with the nosecone.


Hi Dave

In my case, the hole through which you are running the front brake cable in that picture is partially obstructed by the head tube.

I suspect it will be OK if I was just putting the cable through without the black cable housing. What is the proper way to cable from the brake lever to this hole (with the thread) and throught the hole. Do I use a "noodle" of some kind ?

Any ideas ?

thanks
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Can any of the owners of the hydration system chime in with the rough dimensions of it mounted on the stem. Would like to see if there would be a similar issue as the dimond owners seem to be having with the 70mm stem.
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zinny wrote:
Can any of the owners of the hydration system chime in with the rough dimensions of it mounted on the stem. Would like to see if there would be a similar issue as the dimond owners seem to be having with the 70mm stem.

This issue with the Dimond is the brake cover. How many bikes have brake covers like the Dimond? As opposed to those with a much smaller profile that are somehow more integrated into the frame/fork like the Trek SC, Cervelo P5, Felt IA, Canyon Speedmax CF SLX?

I don't think the 70mm stem Aeria stem + HSF system would be an issue on a bike without a brake cover or with one that's part of the frame/fork. I haven't studied that though so take that with a grain of salt.

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Anyone who has this complete set up and is interested in aero testing it, let me know. Good way to get some free testing either here or in Colorado Springs where I'll be regularly testing very soon.

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Jim@EROsports wrote:
Anyone who has this complete set up and is interested in aero testing it, let me know. Good way to get some free testing either here or in Colorado Springs where I'll be regularly testing very soon.

I'm game provided you fly me out there. :-)

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Don't need to test it that badly! :-)

By "here" I meant L.A. for those who don't know.

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Any thoughts on this vs a well set up FC 35? I have an IA4, so, no luck in switching the aerobar.

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Jim@EROsports wrote:
Don't need to test it that badly! :-)

By "here" I meant L.A. for those who don't know.

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I believe it!

We should be able to get this test done on a few weeks and I'll report back.

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Hello, would anyone happen to know if I need to install the steertube compression plug to use the aeria ultimate stem? I am trying to install the stem but the compression plug will not fit inside the fork.
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OOquanta wrote:
Hello, would anyone happen to know if I need to install the steertube compression plug to use the aeria ultimate stem? I am trying to install the stem but the compression plug will not fit inside the fork.

Mine didn’t fit either. I just used whatever plug I already had in there. Downside is you can’t use the stem cap cover as it bolts into the Aeria plug.

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You don't have to use that plug. It's designed to fit with the top cap, so you'll just have to use a compression plug that works and a normal round top cap.


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Re: Profile Design Aeria Ultimate aerobar and stem [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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I wonder if they sent out a batch of wrong sized plugs. I have a 1 1/8" inch steerer and it didn't come close to fitting. My guess is the plug that came with the Aeria Ultimate stem was closer to 1 1/4". I even brought it to my LBS to get a second opinion that I wasn't retarded.

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Re: Profile Design Aeria Ultimate aerobar and stem [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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I'm visiting PD USA at the moment so shall endeavour to check this tomorrow


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cyclenutnz wrote:
I'm visiting PD USA at the moment so shall endeavour to check this tomorrow

Thanks! Let me know. I'd kind of like having the right sized plug.

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Re: Profile Design Aeria Ultimate aerobar and stem [DFW_Tri] [ In reply to ]
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Anyone know if there's a quarter turn garmin mount available for this or does it just come with the tube thingy?

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Re: Profile Design Aeria Ultimate aerobar and stem [al-gorithm] [ In reply to ]
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Mount was not included
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Re: Profile Design Aeria Ultimate aerobar and stem [al-gorithm] [ In reply to ]
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There is no dedicated garmin mount yet. Just the tube thingy.


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Re: Profile Design Aeria Ultimate aerobar and stem [DFW_Tri] [ In reply to ]
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Is that about 35-40mm of risers under the armpads?


Curious what people think about the aero benefit of the bottle with more separation between bar and pads (like with pads pedestalled ~55mm)? (as opposed to just going with a standard BTA bottle set up)
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Re: Profile Design Aeria Ultimate aerobar and stem [dand] [ In reply to ]
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Yes.

Dunno. My understanding is there are still aero benefits which come from the bottle lining up with frame.
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Re: Profile Design Aeria Ultimate aerobar and stem [DFW_Tri] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks -- and that's what I assume, curious about others trying it out. Appreciate getting to see the pics of how you have it set up-
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Jim@EROsports wrote:
I believe it!

We should be able to get this test done on a few weeks and I'll report back.


was this done, does anyone how this setup compares aerodynamically to bta setup?
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I picked up the stem + bottle. I am using it on my 54 P3 with a 3T aura bar using 40mm pedestals.

Major problem is refilling because the extensions are too close together to fit a bottle between and reach the hydration opening. I may have to invent something here to push the rubber splash protection apart so i can squirt into it without having to push it open with the bottle spout. I may eventually purchase the AU bar too because this is impractical.

I find that the straw opening is too small to drink efficiently from and I am going to cut it larger. I wish that there was a better way to tell how much fluid is left as well.

Just like everyone else, my brake does not fit nicely behind the beard. I am looking for a center pull brake that is cheaper than the tririg. In terms of space there is ample clearance between HT-bottle and bottle-tire.
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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Hi,

does anyone know the width of the hydration? If I were to use a Syntace Stratos CX ( https://www.syntace.de/...fm?pid=3&pk=3299 ) with PD Subsonic and Aeria Ultimate Stem - would that leave sufficient space between the extension to use the Aeria Hydration? If not, would "classic" PD Clip-Ons (not Subsonic) work (those Clip-Ons that position the extensions a bit further outward).

With "classic" Clip-Ons the available space between extension is 70mm. With subsonic I don´t know, but it could go down to 45 (80mm clamping area minus 2x 22mm).

What´s your take?

Thanks,
Tobi
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [Blabelzabel] [ In reply to ]
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The stratos CX would be marginal for fitting the Subsonic as the 80mm centre section may mean the clamp can't sit properly.

The HSF Aeria is 75.4mm wide

So to work with a Subsonic you need nearly 100mm extension width which means basebar clamp section 120mm (or a little more)

The Sonic bracket would have 90mm extension spacing on the Syntace bar thus 68mm between the extensions.
You need to have 100mm spacing between extensions (as that is what the Aeria Ultimate bar has and the bottle was designed around that) which means a clamping section width of at least 90mm with a Sonic or Supersonic bracket.

If you're using a J4 bracket you need 120mm clamp section.

Or if you have some risers under the bracket, this can all change.


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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks for the reply - very helpful! At least Subsonic is now one option less to consider :-)

My plan is to convert my hybrid road/tri-bike (see attachment) to full tri and to clean up the cockpit while doing so. Though my front has a high stack (190mm) I still have approx 8cm drop to the pads which currently is OK for me. However by taking out the last 10mm spacer and switch to 17° stem (e.g. Aeria Ultimate) I could still go lower (should my body ever allow me ;-) ).

Cockpit-wize this leaves three options:

1. full integrated (e.g. Aeria Ultimate Stem/Bar/Hydration), Stem as low as possible and stack the armrests/extensions. This would put the hydration and gusset down, making it look clean. But does that really improve Aero as my arms (PLUS hydration!) are still above?
2. like option 1, but stack the stem so that the hydration is close to or even between extensions. Goal would be to hide the hydration from the wind and "expose" full steerer tube instead
3. conventional Flatbar (or 3T REVO) with Clip-Ons (e.g. Sonic) and BTA Hydration like PD FC/HC. That would be most flexible... and I am not sure if there really is an aero penalty.

If possible I want to avoid undermount, so 1. might even work without stacking the armrests.



Any thoughts? BTW, if this is too Off-Topic please let me know and I´ll move this topic to a new thread.

Thanks, Tobi
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I picked up the stem + bottle. I am using it on my 54 P3 with a 3T aura bar using 40mm pedestals.
Major problem is refilling because the extensions are too close together to fit a bottle between and reach the hydration opening.

Any pics? I was planning to get the bottle but I also have Aura bars. Too narrow then?
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Re: Profile Design Aeria Ultimate aerobar and stem [The Red Baron] [ In reply to ]
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I will take some photos this weekend. Are you using pedestal spacers?
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Re: Profile Design Aeria Ultimate aerobar and stem [D4vid] [ In reply to ]
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Just 10mm of spacers under the clamps. May be less of an issue accessing the bottle in my case possibly
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [Blabelzabel] [ In reply to ]
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Blabelzabel wrote:
2. like option 1, but stack the stem so that the hydration is close to or even between extensions. Goal would be to hide the hydration from the wind and "expose" full steerer tube instead
3. conventional Flatbar (or 3T REVO) with Clip-Ons (e.g. Sonic) and BTA Hydration like PD FC/HC. That would be most flexible... and I am not sure if there really is an aero penalty.

Definitely option 2 rather than 1. Hide that headtube and let air flow between pedestals

3 won't be as aero as 2, but will be more convenient. A supersonic clip on gives you a tidy BTA setup option (not for FC).
Revo has very limited adjustment


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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks for your feedback! I am still a bit puzzled because there is something that doesn´t fit into my little head:

I have a "structure" consisting of arms, hands and extension that pokes straight into the wind anyway (in my case horizontal). If I fit a BTA-Bottle/FC within this structure then at least the hydration is shielded from the wind. Of course this leaves the Headtube (and brake-cables) exposed to the wind, but those are aero-shaped so hopefully optimized in at least some way.

With the Aeria Ultimate concept the hydration is fixed on stem-level - so if I rise the armrest (my version 1: slammed stem/bar and rise the armrest) I end up with the above mentioned "structure" PLUS the hydration a couple of cm underneath. OK, the Aeria hydration is cool and aero and the gusset closes the gap to the headtube... but isn´t this solving a problem that wouldn´t be there if hydration stays old-school BTA? Why would an integrated hydration/gusset be any more aero than the pure (aero) headtube?

With version 2 (armrest directly on basebar, and stack the whole stem/bar upwards with spacers) the Aeria hydration again becomes BTA (at least most of it) - but that leaves the lower part of the headtube and the front-brake still exposed. So if at all there might be only a very tiny benefit.

Of course I understand that a top-notch concept like Aeria Ultimate is not designed for a converted Aero-Roadbike with 180+10mm Headtube :-) However as much as I would like to pick the AU, I am really not sure if it makes sense for my intended (ab)use. So at the moment I plan to use a classic setup of PD 1/seventeen Stem, Syntace Stratos CX, Supersonic (J5) bracket and BTA hydration (FC or other). That would convert the cockpit to a proper Tri setup, get rid of undermount-extensions and would also make room to go 15mm lower (should I wish). A Pic of the current setup is attached.

Is there anything I am missing? Do you think that AU would really give me an advantage (considering this is not a proper tri bike and I cannot achieve a clean integration as in your post #140)?

Thanks from Berlin, Tobias
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Re: Profile Design Aeria Ultimate aerobar and stem [The Red Baron] [ In reply to ]
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https://drive.google.com/open?id=1RROz5KcWXMMlWXOOsGMfUSP07GsYsz4L

I went for another ride with it and decided I am going to go ahead and use it. Aid stations normally give gatorade or water with a squirt nozzle and they are narrow enough to fit through and go straight into the hydration. With a standard bike bottle I was able to push the splash protection open and squirt the bottle in without much trouble.

I would like to trim the beard a little but I am afraid to mess it up. I wish the were some instructions.
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Re: Profile Design Aeria Ultimate aerobar and stem [D4vid] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks for the pics David.
It does look like the bottle might not even fit without my spacers under the elbow pads 😕

Good to see that you can get away with a side pull calliper too
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D4vid wrote:
I would like to trim the beard a little but I am afraid to mess it up. I wish the were some instructions.

I am working on raising the standard of PDs instructions. In the meantime, I'd suggest a sharp tool (new blade or long scissors) and cut straight up one of the grooves. Do it incrementally as it doesn't grow back.


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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [Blabelzabel] [ In reply to ]
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A Cervelo P Series headtube is 158mm deep by 38mm wide (at narrowest), so an aspect ratio of 4.2:1. Haven't tested the bottle on one of those yet. Bikes that it has been tested on are much wider with lesser aspect ratio. Add ~270mm of bottle +gusset and it's possible to get well past a 5:1 ratio. I'll have a look for more detailed numbers later.

I think in your case fairing the headtube (likely at least 55mm wide) will have more of an impact than fairing the steerer spacers (~34mm wide). You would be going from: unaero HT + round spacers
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Faired HT + aero pad spacers.
Anytime you replace round with ovalised of some type you are likely to be making gains.


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Re: Profile Design Aeria Ultimate aerobar and stem [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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This may have been covered somewhere in this thread. Is the Aeria Ultimate Basebar compatible with other stems? With the way it's tapered inwards in front and the tight fit of the"clamp area" I'm under the impression this is pretty much only going to work with the Aeria ultimate stem? I'm dealing with the Felt IA16, which I believe the Aeria Ultimate stem might not work with the pre-cut steerer tube (could be wrong about that as well).


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Re: Profile Design Aeria Ultimate aerobar and stem [KG6] [ In reply to ]
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Hi all,


Can someone tell me where is the cheapest place to source both the HSF and Ultimate Stem?

Thanks in advance!!
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Re: Profile Design Aeria Ultimate aerobar and stem [KG6] [ In reply to ]
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It can fit other stems, they just don't look very good.
The IA stem may be a bit wide.
The stack of the clamp on the IA stem is 34.5mm so the complete bikes had the steerer cut to 34mm.
The AU stem has a stack of 32.5mm but needs a 2.5mm spacer under it to clear the nose cone. So effectively 35mm which means you should be fine.
Ianpeace has done this (I think I post the pic of his bike earlier in this thread).


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Re: Profile Design Aeria Ultimate aerobar and stem [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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It can fit other stems, they just don't look very good.
The IA stem may be a bit wide.
The stack of the clamp on the IA stem is 34.5mm so the complete bikes had the steerer cut to 34mm.
The AU stem has a stack of 32.5mm but needs a 2.5mm spacer under it to clear the nose cone. So effectively 35mm which means you should be fine.
Ianpeace has done this (I think I post the pic of his bike earlier in this thread).

Interesting. I have a pro missile eve stem, 85mm, and if I could get away without buying a new stem that'd be great
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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OK, I think I finally got it: get the Stem as low as possible, cover Headtube and brake-cables with AU Hydration/Gusset and rise armrest if needed.

I meanwhile installed the Stratos with Supersonic, 35a and Ergo-Armrests and that already is pretty cool. Will keep that for this season and save the AU modifications for the winter (and 2nd gen Stem...).

Thanks for your patience and very good advise :-)
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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Hey there,

Just curious, as i was looking at this similar set up (stem and tri rig front brake). can you route the front brake cable through the side of the stem and down the routing hole for the brake if using a different bar set up? Or would the angle be too great?

Any picture of inside the stem would be greatly appreciated (routed?)
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Re: Profile Design Aeria Ultimate aerobar and stem [KG6] [ In reply to ]
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I've installed this on my IA16, and to get it to fit well it needed a few modifications.
As standard you need to run a 5mm spacer under the stem since there is an extended section designed to hold the threaded adapter for running a centre pull brake. The section fouls on the headtube.
I grinded that part off and redrilled another hole for running the centre pull cable housing down to the tririg brake. With this gone you can run a slammed headset top cap with no spacers.

I ran the hydration for the first time on saturday - some comments.

Filling the bottle via standard water bottle - the split plastic splash guard pull out really easily when removing the bottle and the 2 bits fell on the floor.
Start cycling and the first bump I hit, one of the 2 halfs jumped out and went in the bottle - the second one followed it before I'd stopped.
I tried to fish them out but they'd sank to the bottom and its not easy to get your hand in.

Only solution was to take the hydration off and tip it all out then shake the 2 bits out. Energy drink everywhere and one bottle drained within 5 mins of starting.
I filled up again and rotated the join so its perpendicular to the bike so the straw holds it in place, but the bits still started to come out when hitting bumps.

Because there was energy drink on the slots for the hydration, as it dried it started squeaking going over bumps which made a horrible sound!

The straw is reeeeeally hard to drink out of - I popped the head past the no-flow point, but the flow is really low through the bite valve.

The bike felt really twitchy with the hydration on. I've run with a torhans aero30 before, but this felt much more unpredictable. It was pretty gusty, so will have to try this again in the future.

I'm going to try it another couple of times before giving up, but the splash guard doesnt seem like a good design - if anyone else has any suggestions please let me know!
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Re: Profile Design Aeria Ultimate aerobar and stem [paulmartin] [ In reply to ]
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I don´t know the Aeria Hydration, but I use a PD FC35 and the split-plastic port and straw seem to be very similar (if not identical). Did you install the split-plastic things underneath the cover (as shown in this pic: https://www.bike24.de/p1275746.html)? If so, the cover should hold them (same with my FC).

And the bite-valve... well, pull it out of the straw... that´s what I did after approx five minutes ;-)
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Re: Profile Design Aeria Ultimate aerobar and stem [Blabelzabel] [ In reply to ]
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Ohhhhhhhhh..... Yup, that's entirely my mistake then!
Do you find that the kink in the straw prevents splash out of the end without the bite valve on?
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Don´t worry about splashing via the straw - either the kink or the pointing upwards prevents that. The only thing you should do without bite valve is let the liquid in the straw flow back into the bottle before you stick it to the magnet.
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Re: Profile Design Aeria Ultimate aerobar and stem [Blabelzabel] [ In reply to ]
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If you put the splash rubber thing underneath the cover won't you have to loosen a screw everytime you want to clean this? I have one of these at home now and I'm unsure yet if its practical unless you only take it out for raceday.
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surrey85 wrote:
If you put the splash rubber thing underneath the cover won't you have to loosen a screw everytime you want to clean this? I have one of these at home now...

Depends on whether you screw that cap or computer-mount in the cover or in the bottle... the latter would be, well, the second-best solution :-( However, don´t ask me - you are the one who has one at home ;-)
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Re: Profile Design Aeria Ultimate aerobar and stem [Blabelzabel] [ In reply to ]
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Yep you screw it right into the bottle, and its quite a long screw too. The cleaning of the bottle is probably going to get annoying very much very soon.

I've decided to keep the stem and the bottle anyway but it was a close call as all in all this product does have quite a few downsides to it.

My stem came without the screw in barrel adjuster cable stop and I don't know where to source one (in Germany), so thats a bit of a let down.
Also since I don't use a riser kit on my PD J5 bracket I've had to move my extensions quite a bit apart because otherwise the bottle wouldn't fit between the extensions. Before that I had my extensions a bit closer together so that my hands would touch. I'm not qualified to judge if that change in fit does impact aerodynamics in any significant way.

On a minor note I'm not exactly fond of the bottle being black (but I knew that beforehand and I'm not blaming PD for this design choice).
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does anyone know whether the Aeria hydration system is compatible with Syntace C3 aerobars?
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It depends on whether your basebar has enough clamping area to allow you to increase with of extensions center to center to about 10cm (in the c3's case this applies to the stem facing part of the extensions). If you can and are happy with how the armpads fit afterwards I see no reason why it wouldnt be compatible.
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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On the subsonic race 35a, is that little groove/channel on the bracket where wires would exit the bar? Can the angle of the cups (inward/outward) be adjusted like on the Aeria bracket?
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Yes, the channel is where the cables exit


All the armrests have rotation, thanks to the slotted holes (ergo shown below)




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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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There will be a flatter angle stem.

Could you disclose details (angle/stack, length, availability)?

Also would you know if PD has any plans to offer this (or a comparable) stem in a "non hydration but lighter" version? That, together with Svet/Wing Basebars that have cable-routing holes in the clamping-area, would be ultracool :-)
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [Blabelzabel] [ In reply to ]
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The flatter stem project is on hold as it wasn't turning out to be any lighter.
There is stuff happening with stems, can't disclose anything but I'm always looking for ways to improve the products.


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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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First, I am not a weight weenie when it comes to TT/tri bikes.

Has anyone confirmed that hefty 455 g weight of the 100mm stem version? For instance Canyon integrated stem 90mm on a Speedmax CF weights 240g. Where does the extra 200g come from?
I really like the idea of having finally a third party integrated front hydration system, BUT it adds some heavy weight too. This PD combo means ca. 880g , when compared to XLAB Torpedo Versa 500 /330g/ + standard stem 240g, one can save 300+ g.
I know, it is a trade-off.
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [xoslic] [ In reply to ]
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Anyone know of any base bar other than the full aeria ultimate bar that allows for fully internal routing through the aeria ultimate stem? I've tried searching a buch but couldn't find one.
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [xoslic] [ In reply to ]
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Yes the 100mm stem is 455g. The weight compared to the canyon stem comes from changing the orientation of the faceplate to reduce frontal area. And from the dropped angle. Plus making it strong enough to hold the hydration.

Yes there is a weight tradeoff. You have to weigh that against a BTA usually being somewhere near aero neutral, vs the HSF Aeria being somewhat faster (depending on the frame)


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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [xoslic] [ In reply to ]
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My new covert op stem which just passed EN standard plus 20% in 110 mm length version comes in at 430 grams....
This excess weight is due to my open design with room for junction boxes, cables to always be accessed for travel, adjustment we were unable to safely make it lighter. We are still trying to explore some other material options like magnesium but for something as critical as a stem. safety comes before weight.

We will start taking pre orders in November for the stem.
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [culpritbicycles] [ In reply to ]
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That’s a great looking stem. I’d be all over it except for the angle. Not many TT frames fit me without a -17 though my fit and morphology probably put me in the minority of users.
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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cyclenutnz wrote:
GreatScott wrote:
Can the AU be configured for a standard bottle BTA?

Yes, the bridge for the spacer pedestal can have a BTA attachment added.
You have fore/aft adjustment by choosing which of the squares locks into the hole on the bridge:


This is the same BTA mount that fits on the J5 bridge.
I realise that the instructions for the AU are sparse and that this sort of info should be covered, I shall be taking charge of improving the information for the bar.

The downside of any integrated bar is less flexibility compared to a modular setup. However, the AU narrows the differential to the point that there isn't a practical downside. The modular bars can get the pads slightly wider but we're talking 27 vs 29 cm so it's special case territory anyway. Obviously the cost is a non-trivial factor, but that mostly goes towards speed.

Hi,

I received my AU today :). One question about the bridge though. On other PD bars, it is recommended to install the bridge if the raisers are higher than 40mm for stability. Is this the same for the AU or do you only need to install the bridge if you want to install the BTA as well?

Thanks for your help.
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nickwerner84 wrote:
On other PD bars, it is recommended to install the bridge if the raisers are higher than 40mm for stability. Is this the same for the AU or do you only need to install the bridge if you want to install the BTA as well?

Yes, bridge recommended for above 40mm of spacers as you are getting into multiples (of spacers) so the bridge makes sure you don't get any wiggle.


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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks for the quick reply! Much appreciated!
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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You mentioned a while back that there's a revision coming to the AU stem to help with the cable exit for straight pull brakes. Is this still in the works?
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Cool. Is that stem in production now? You've mentioned it previously but I don't remember the answer: is there an internal stop so one could run bare cable to the brake?
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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I think production starts soon. I've seen a production version but I don't know if it was a sample or from a full run.
I live in the development space so the logistics side of things is a bit downstream - so I'm not great on availability/delivery questions.
There is a thread in stop so it is a barrel adjuster as well.


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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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Hi,

me again :)

I have no installed the bridge. Assumingly it has to be in hte highest position (i.e. between the last spayer and the "pad adjustment spacer").

I have an etap and there is no great way of installing the blip box. I am thinking of using the bridge to install the blip box. This would also work with regard to the cable routing.

Now I am thinking of buying the HSF Hydration system but am somewhat sceptical whether or not the bridge would intervene with the bottle straw of the HSF: Any info on this?

Much appreciated,
Niklas
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [nickwerner84] [ In reply to ]
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The top of the bottle is 45mm above the centre of the bar. Hopefully that helps you work out if there will be enough clearance with blip box.

Yes, bridge should be in the highest possible location.

The satellite magnet for the HSF aeria can be installed in that square hole in the centre of the bridge - so the hose sits above the bridge rather than trying to thread it underneath each time.


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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [nickwerner84] [ In reply to ]
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Doesn't the blip box use a Garmin 1/4 turn-style mount? If so, why not get a stem cap mount for the blip box, and run the wires through the Aeria stem? This would mean that the wires are almost invisible to the wind, the box is accessible, out of the way and as per Cyclenutz' diagram, it would likely sit out of the wind behind the hydration... (assuming it would fit there)


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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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cyclenutnz wrote:
gary p wrote:


Ah, I was hoping there was a cheaper option. Not sure the tri-rig is worth the $ since most of the aero goodness is hidden under the shroud. Wonder if a Campag rear TT brake could be configured to work? They're only ~$40.


That bugs me too. Testing is limited so far but what has been done shows that the bottle is far more significant than the marginal gains from the centrepull caliper. So it makes a lot more sense to go with the bottle and a cheap brake that doesn't block the gusset. Unfortunately there aren't any cost effective front centrepull calipers now - I can't recommend putting rear brakes on the front in order to use PD product.

Will see if I can find a Transition to test on as that would answer the question in a safe way.

Did you ever happen to find a Transition to test on? I have a 2013 Transition that I'm thinking of upgrading to an UA and wanted to make sure everything would fit before jumping into it.

Thanks!
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TriangleIL wrote:
Did you ever happen to find a Transition to test on? I have a 2013 Transition that I'm thinking of upgrading to an UA and wanted to make sure everything would fit before jumping into it.

Thanks!

Afraid not, haven't had any Transitions through since that post. Which size is your one?


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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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For what its worth, TRP sell a longer brake bolt specifically for mounting the 925 centre-pull caliper on the front. I have this set-up, works fine. Given the relatively low-profile I would hope this would fit under the shroud
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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cyclenutnz wrote:
TriangleIL wrote:

Did you ever happen to find a Transition to test on? I have a 2013 Transition that I'm thinking of upgrading to an UA and wanted to make sure everything would fit before jumping into it.

Thanks!


Afraid not, haven't had any Transitions through since that post. Which size is your one?

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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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Very interested in this. Trying to make sure it will fit...

Current setup is 55cm p3sl, 80mm - 17 stem, 10mm spacer, Pad stack 613, pad reach (back of pad 515). T2+ aerobar with about 1cm between the brackets and the stem. F19 Pads are spaced by 216mm center to center. My j2 brackets are forward of the clamp by about 20mm. Current basebar is Ozero alloy. Planning to switch to the stratos cx after Xmas (:-).

Last week I tested moving the pads in by 3cm each (to 157mm). I had to accomplish that by moving the brackets tight to the stem, and then bolting the f19 pads by a single bolt to the inner j2 mounting hole. My cda improved by 0.012.

I think I can get what I want by just switching to the race cups, and the aeria 100mm stem. If my graphical measurements are right with the race pads in the narrow config the pad center moves in by 35mm versus the f19 pads. Yes? If so that would move my pad c-c to 146 (216-70).

If that's true, then I can stay with the T2 brackets, and leave the extensions at 108mm (c-c), which should leave enough clearance (85mm). I might need to move the bracket in 5mm or so for the narrow clamp of the stratos. But, I think that's fine.

The longer stem will push the extension clamp brackets tight to pad brackets.

Am I missing anything?

So new setup would be:

Syntace stratos cx
T2+ brackets
Race cups
Aeria 100mm stem

PadY (unchanged) 613mm
PadX (unchanged) 515mm
PadZ (in by 70mm) 146mm
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [Tom_hampton] [ In reply to ]
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For the pad Z (width)


Pink is extension, grey is bracket, light blue is armrest
Thus your minimum pad centre increment (distance from centre of extension to centre of pad) is 27.75mm, which we'll call 28mm. 108+28 = 136mm minimum pad z.

No problem for X as the Race armrest gives a lot more adjustment so you can put the clamp where you like.
You would need some more spacers as the stem is lower Y than your current one. Diagram below compares a 'standard' -17 stem to the AU


I would add that you'll likely find it easier to relax into a tight position with the Race cups but that the same c-c measurement on Race as F19 will feel a lot tighter. So try to measure to where you actually place your elbows on the F19, then set up race to match. The Race cups allow no ambiguity about elbow position.


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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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Thank you.

I think I have the old j2 bracket. The one that has the 2 blind holes underneath. I don't know if that's any different from the new j2? I considered drilling and Tapping the blind holes... But I haven't measured them to see if that's possible at the same thread size. I wouldn't want to go up a thread size and risk weakening the bracket.

Thanks for the info on the stem. I was confused by the various nomenclatures used on the stem. I've seen - 17 and 12x100 in different places on the web. I found another thread today where you posted the dimensions on the stem. So the bar clamp is about 10mm lower. I haven't cut my steerer yet. So I can space up if needed. That said, I want to try this position anyway, also with a little more extension tilt. I could try this cheaply (and quickly) with a standard 100mm stem and just remove my 10mm spacer.

I was reading the comments in the "what's my favorite cups" thread. I might go mock something up with some pvc to test how tight they feel. 90mm diameter cup plus a 10mm pad, right? I have pretty skinny forearms.

I was having the same thought on pad spacing today as I was scaling various screen grabs into Visio. It seems like outside position is a better measure of Z when changing between pad types.

Again, thank you for all the info and detailed drawings. It helps a ton. I can only go so far scaling web photos.
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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Can I just say something? Your availability here, posting exact CAD drawings and measurements, advice etc - has completely changed my perception of Profile Design as a brand, and allowed me to fully appreciate the design of the newest generation of products. Good job!

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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [tessar] [ In reply to ]
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tessar wrote:
Can I just say something? Your availability here, posting exact CAD drawings and measurements, advice etc - has completely changed my perception of Profile Design as a brand, and allowed me to fully appreciate the design of the newest generation of products. Good job!

Of course you can say that - thank you. Any other nice comments gratefully received as tools for my next round of contract negotiations ;-)

All the work that has gone into lifting the function and fit of the products would be wasted if no one knew about it other than me. Still working on increasing the information that flows through traditional channels so in the meantime making sure that the knowledge is shared here.


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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [Tom_hampton] [ In reply to ]
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Can you take a pic of your J2 Bracket? I'm not totally expert on all the iterations - the calcs above are based on being able to use the clamp bolt as a pad bolt. If that is not an option with your bracket I think it adds 37mm to the minimum width.

What is your extension tilt angle?

The race cups came about as a nicer solution than the aluminium pipe I used to slice and grind. 84mm ID for skinny cyclists, 100mm for me.
There are 5mm and 10mm pads for the cups to fine tune the fit. I am fine with the 5mm pads (as seen here, I am no waif) - the cups were in fact designed with my arms as the maximum size to fit.

No need to scale web photos - I'm happy to help.


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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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I'd like to echo this sentiment, it's really valuable hearing from the designer and getting detailed feedback and insight into product development. I will definitely be buying the revised stem when it is released, just waiting for a 110mm option. I think this will be a great addition to my set-up
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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cyclenutnz wrote:

Can you take a pic of your J2 Bracket? I'm not totally expert on all the iterations - the calcs above are based on being able to use the clamp bolt as a pad bolt. If that is not an option with your bracket I think it adds 37mm to the minimum width.

See pix below. The blind holes are the more inner holes on the underside of the bracket.

cyclenutnz wrote:

What is your extension tilt angle?


Current tilt is 7 degrees.

cyclenutnz wrote:


The race cups came about as a nicer solution than the aluminium pipe I used to slice and grind. 84mm ID for skinny cyclists, 100mm for me.
There are 5mm and 10mm pads for the cups to fine tune the fit. I am fine with the 5mm pads (as seen here, I am no waif) - the cups were in fact designed with my arms as the maximum size to fit.

No need to scale web photos - I'm happy to help.


Thanks, again.

cyclenutnz wrote:
I would add that you'll likely find it easier to relax into a tight position with the Race cups but that the same c-c measurement on Race as F19 will feel a lot tighter. So try to measure to where you actually place your elbows on the F19, then set up race to match. The Race cups allow no ambiguity about elbow position.

That's a really good point. I looked at the indentions in the pad this morning. My elbows rest in the wider crease of the F-19 pads (more or less), where the cup actually turns "up". That puts my effective Z more at about 260mm or so. That would mean my "tested Z" was more like 200mm vice the 157mm c-c measurement. Since the F19 is pretty sloppy, there's probably a good bit of variation from one day to the next.

ETA: I meant to ask, where are you located in NZ? I used to spend a fair amount of time over there working for the RNZ(ed)AF, as the chief engineer for the P-3K2. You may occasionally see it flying around...

http://www.airforce.mil.nz/...k2-orion/default.htm





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Re: Profile Design Aeria Ultimate aerobar and stem [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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I’m selling my Aeria Ultimate bar/stem and Aeria HSF hydration system if anyone is interested. 100mm stem. No particular reason other than I’m tinkering. Installed but has never been ridden. So in impeccable condition. Let me know.

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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [Tom_hampton] [ In reply to ]
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I wouldn't get too excited about switching to a carbon basebar, the below chart is from basebar only testing


Obviously there will also be interaction effects that aren't measured here. But it's highly unlikely they will be sufficient to make it a good speed per $ change.

I'm in Cambridge - far from Whenuapai or Ohakea so I don't see the Orions. Have a few airforce clients.

That bracket you have is the plus 37mm one. There was a variation where the base part of the clamp was threaded, so you could use the hole where your clamp bolt is for pad mounting.

I'd suggest a Sonic bracket if you want to be able to test narrow positions with fine graduations.


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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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That's ok. I only paid $50 us for the bar. The same price I paid for the Ozero. If it doesn't work out better in aero, and I don't like it for aesthetics, I'll resell it for $80. :). I would also assume that the HSF would shadow much of the dirty harware and handlebar clamp area.

I was looking at the sonic brackets, too. I'll probably try the race cups in the wide config which is still narrower than what I've already tried. If I run out of options then I can always switch out the T2+ hardware for the sonic.

Thanks again.

Yeah, I never made it down that far south on the north island. We made it down to coromandel once on a free weekend. And I spent a ton of time in Blenheim. Once we went north to goat Island and I got to swim around the island. That was pretty cool for a guy from Dallas, Texas.
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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cyclenutnz wrote:

Definitely option 2 rather than 1. Hide that headtube and let air flow between pedestals

I have a P5-3 and mighy redo my fork and cockpit. Which would you suspect is faster:

1. P5-6 fork with beard and FC25 tucked neatly between my arms. My wrists and forearm are actually in full contact the bottle and only the straw is visible from the side because the bottle height is also centered with my forearm height.

2. Use the aerial bottle I stead of beard and have empty space between my forearms.

My pad stack is about 60mm from steerer clamp bottom center to pad top if that makes any difference about where air can/should flow
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [BigBoyND] [ In reply to ]
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Damon said the P5-6 fork setup was worth ~10g
The difference between an FC25 and an Aeria Ultimate is significantly higher than that.


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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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Great! I think that settles it. I'll get the fork and use the aeria instead of the beard to shield the head tube for next season. Just have to decide on a bar. Can't make up my mind between USE R1, ENVE, Brezza Nano, and Missile Evo. All are fast and all fit my coordinates.

Thanks for all of your input on ST!
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Re: Profile Design Aeria Ultimate aerobar and stem [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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GMAN- just was checking in to see if you still have your PD set up for sale?
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Re: Profile Design Aeria Ultimate aerobar and stem [Nochainrider] [ In reply to ]
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Nochainrider wrote:
GMAN- just was checking in to see if you still have your PD set up for sale?

Yes. The one and only issue is that it’s still attached to my bike and I just had shoulder surgery and can’t disassemble as of yet. I can get it off after the first of the year... hopefully.

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I've got a transition up in Auckland if you need one to test on
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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I have a question; the aerobridge came with my Ultimate Aeria purchase but the other two pieces that would lock into the aerobridge are not in the box. We’re they supposed to come with it? Where can I find them? I dont see them on PD website.
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [TriangleIL] [ In reply to ]
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i had this on my old transition, when i try to post a picture it comes out upside down
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cyclenutnz wrote:
I don't know where those stack numbers came from, but I can clarify for you
The minimum stack of the bar on its own is 47.5mm including cushion
The stack of the stem is 12mm (+- a tiny bit if your HTA not 72.5deg)
So the minimum total stack is 59.5mm from the base of the stem. Add the headset cover to get stack from the top of the frame.

Actually, looking at it I think someone has calculated the comparative stack. So the min bar stack would be ~25mm if using a -6deg stem.

The reach values have been given relative to the frame xy point. So 21mm behind the frame reach through to 92 in front. That should really be explained on the page.
If you want the values for bar only the max setback is 91mm (to rear of pad).

Hope that helps


Do you know how Simon Yates was able to mout the Extensions below the Basebar and how much Stack ist the Result of it?

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/...66_yatesindexafp.jpg
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [captain hook] [ In reply to ]
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probably a one off from the mechanic.



captain hook wrote:
cyclenutnz wrote:
I don't know where those stack numbers came from, but I can clarify for you
The minimum stack of the bar on its own is 47.5mm including cushion
The stack of the stem is 12mm (+- a tiny bit if your HTA not 72.5deg)
So the minimum total stack is 59.5mm from the base of the stem. Add the headset cover to get stack from the top of the frame.

Actually, looking at it I think someone has calculated the comparative stack. So the min bar stack would be ~25mm if using a -6deg stem.

The reach values have been given relative to the frame xy point. So 21mm behind the frame reach through to 92 in front. That should really be explained on the page.
If you want the values for bar only the max setback is 91mm (to rear of pad).

Hope that helps


Do you know how Simon Yates was able to mout the Extensions below the Basebar and how much Stack ist the Result of it?

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/...66_yatesindexafp.jpg

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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [ericMPro] [ In reply to ]
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Nah, Ali Brownlee and Jodie Swallow have done this to their Plasmas as well.

I haven’t seen it in personal but my guess is here:

Place arm pads on top of base bar over the pass through holes. Place the bolts through the arm pads and base bar holes, and thread them into the extension clamps that are now upside down under the base bar.





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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [doublea334] [ In reply to ]
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I know it's been done but IIRC someone in the know said that it's not mechanically sound... hence the "one-off" comment. I'd be curious to see exactly how they did it.

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doublea334 wrote:
Nah, Ali Brownlee and Jodie Swallow have done this to their Plasmas as well.

I haven’t seen it in personal but my guess is here:

Place arm pads on top of base bar over the pass through holes. Place the bolts through the arm pads and base bar holes, and thread them into the extension clamps that are now upside down under the base bar.




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doublea334 wrote:
Nah, Ali Brownlee and Jodie Swallow have done this to their Plasmas as well.

I haven’t seen it in personal but my guess is here:

Place arm pads on top of base bar over the pass through holes. Place the bolts through the arm pads and base bar holes, and thread them into the extension clamps that are now upside down under the base bar.




I´ve done so at an TM06 Frameset (integrated Aerobar). But i´ve seen Pictures from the Aeria Ultimate showing a flat area on the top of the bar (for mounting the extensionsclamp) and coutersunked skrews from the downside (and no flat area).
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Flip the basebar over?

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captain hook wrote:

Do you know how Simon Yates was able to mout the Extensions below the Basebar and how much Stack ist the Result of it?

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/...66_yatesindexafp.jpg

The Scott bar is not the Aeria Ultimate. It is similar to the original Aeria.
The Aeria Ultimate can't do undermount as it has specific moulding for the bracket interface on the top side and bolt holes on the underside.

The Plasma 5 bar has had two variants of the bracket - one with a wing for pad mounting and one without.
So I suspect that anyone doing undermount is using the non wing variant and bolting from the armpads through to the bracket underneath.
That's not a tested use case for the bar and would require countersunk bolts which are weaker than the specified bolts, so it is not recommended.


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Because the Aeria can't undermount, I ended up going with the 3T Vola along with the Aeria stem/bottle to reach my stack dimension. What I didn't realize until now is that the cable routing goes through the bar clamp. Is there a way to route the front brake to the center pull exit? I don't mind drilling a hole in the side of the stem but would prefer not to do that.
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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In the instruction sheet I see the following about a bolt chart -- where can I find that? Actually, all I really need to know is whether I should be using different length bolts if I am tilting the bars to a great degree? It's hard to tell how much of the bolt is actually being threaded, so wanted to make sure. At the shop, they put in different size bolts for front versus rear, which made sense, but wanted the official word since I'll be adjusting things anyway.

(https://cdn.shopify.com/...?8636367106269040265 )

4. Aerobar bracket riser kits are included to increase the armrest height. Choose the amount of height increase needed and corresponding bolts using the attached chart.
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [brbbiking] [ In reply to ]
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I used the same length bolts. There was plenty of length. The bolts are packaged together in a bag so I'm pretty sure they were meant to be used together. That stated, I see no harm in using 5mm longer in the front to compensate for the tilt rise but that's assuming the bolts end up flush.

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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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Yeah, I think you're probably right. With no tilt, different sized bolts did not work, even with just the next longest. So it would seem odd to have to change the bolts depending on the degree of tilt. Would prefer to just keep it simple anyway :)
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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I used the same length as well. I cant swear that is correct but I didn’t have any issues
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Has anyone successfully routed the front brake through the center-pull exit of the stem with a non-Aeria bar?
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [BigBoyND] [ In reply to ]
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Where are you guys that are using the aeria hydration positioning the garmins? Do you use that arc in the front of the "bottle" or cut that and mount the garmin elsewhere?
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There's no need to cut it. It comes with two caps, one with and one without the mount.

I don't use a Garmin. The 935 gives me all the info I need. But if I did use a separate head unit, I would use something like a k-edge mount and mount it between my extensions
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I have a medium transition frame in Auckland if you wish to borrow it.
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The GMAN wrote:
Finally have the stem, bottle, and eTap blips/clics/wires and Torhans Bento X installed as best I can. Had to do some dremel work on the Dimond Aero Box to fit the clic/blip wires to guide them into the Bento X. The Blip Box is in the Bento X.



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My bottle sticks to the left just like this one. Base bar is perfectly centered yet the bottle is touching my left pad cradle and there's space next to the other. Also tried repositioning the bottle mount bracket but it has no wiggle room to change the angle. Has anyone else with this issue been able to remedy it?


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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [BigBoyND] [ In reply to ]
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The engineers are working on that alignment issue, aiming to have a solution soon.


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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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Good to hear. Will it be something that can be applied for past customers or only for production going forward?
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [BigBoyND] [ In reply to ]
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The goal is definitely to be able to help existing customers. What that will mean I can't speculate on at this point.


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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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Any issue running the furthest reach configuration (I.e., the least amount of overlap of armrest and basebar mount)?


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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [brbbiking] [ In reply to ]
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brbbiking wrote:
Any issue running the furthest reach configuration (I.e., the least amount of overlap of armrest and basebar mount)?

There is no issue. The armrests have been tested in all of the extreme configurations.
The standard bolt set up is in line with extensions, having the bolts side by side in the extreme forward and rear positions has also passed testing.


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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks for confirming! It felt solid even in this config.
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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cyclenutnz wrote:
brbbiking wrote:
Any issue running the furthest reach configuration (I.e., the least amount of overlap of armrest and basebar mount)?


There is no issue. The armrests have been tested in all of the extreme configurations.
The standard bolt set up is in line with extensions, having the bolts side by side in the extreme forward and rear positions has also passed testing.

Also does that work with the new Race cups? I am also running an extreme configuration and I switched from the F40 (way too wide for me) to the Race, and as far as I remember the F40 cup is aluminum vs the Race being plastic.

Another question, is there any way to reverse the aerobar bracket attachement? That way instead of relying on just one set of bolts it would overlap on two sets. From what I see it would theoretically work, but then the tilting would be limited and it might not be recommended.

Lastly, do you have a readable chart of all the possible configurations with both the 70 and 100mm Aeria Ultimate stems? I find Profile Design website documentation pretty poor, especially when comparing with TriRig Alpha X awesome configurator...
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [karmakomae] [ In reply to ]
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Also does that work with the new Race cups? I am also running an extreme configuration and I switched from the F40 (way too wide for me) to the Race, and as far as I remember the F40 cup is aluminum vs the Race being plastic.


My engineers made a video of driving over the Race cup with a 4x4 to prove the toughness of the material. That was just for fun - the real testing is a bit more involved and structured. Yes, the Race cup is fine in the extreme positions.
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Another question, is there any way to reverse the aerobar bracket attachement? That way instead of relying on just one set of bolts it would overlap on two sets. From what I see it would theoretically work, but then the tilting would be limited and it might not be recommended.


The tilt wouldn't work at all unless you modified the spacers. Which is, of course, not recommended and would void the warranty

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Lastly, do you have a readable chart of all the possible configurations with both the 70 and 100mm Aeria Ultimate stems? I find Profile Design website documentation pretty poor, especially when comparing with TriRig Alpha X awesome configurator...


The site is pretty poor for fit info, slowly improving that. You'll learn more from the fit guide I wrote for Wilier although it's not that helpful for other bikes. If you read the instructions in that document you will be able to use the tables below. With the exception that the AU tables are based on cockpit XY - the metrics from frame XY to pad XY (rear, incl cushion). So if you have a target Pad XY and and known Frame XY you can work out the Cockpit XY.

Static XY charts are pretty limiting for dealing with tilt. Tririg calculator is really good but the Y gets thrown out as soon as you tilt.







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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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cyclenutnz wrote:
The site is pretty poor for fit info, slowly improving that. You'll learn more from the fit guide I wrote for Wilier although it's not that helpful for other bikes. If you read the instructions in that document you will be able to use the tables below. With the exception that the AU tables are based on cockpit XY - the metrics from frame XY to pad XY (rear, incl cushion). So if you have a target Pad XY and and known Frame XY you can work out the Cockpit XY.

Static XY charts are pretty limiting for dealing with tilt. Tririg calculator is really good but the Y gets thrown out as soon as you tilt.

Thanks for all the info!

Comparing with the values I got from my Retul fit, I'm within 1mm of the chart you gave, that is really helpful & accurate (I assume my tilt is in between)


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The tilt wouldn't work at all unless you modified the spacers. Which is, of course, not recommended and would void the warranty

So would you say it's safe inverting the brackets without any modifications? I mean I know I will be limited with the tilt, but if I can get pretty close to what I'm currently running that would be awesome!
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [karmakomae] [ In reply to ]
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karmakomae wrote:
So would you say it's safe inverting the brackets without any modifications? I mean I know I will be limited with the tilt, but if I can get pretty close to what I'm currently running that would be awesome!

That configuration hasn't been tested so I can't make any assurance of safety sorry.
If you do try, please be really careful about bolt length to make sure the threads are engaged right through the barrel


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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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I'm about to set up a new bike with the AU 100mm stem and hydration but not the rest of the bar setup (using a Vision trimax Carbon I had from another bike). The tricky part is due to geometry and the current relatively un-aggressive rider position, I need to add ~90mm of stack somewhere. I was thinking 30mm under the stem and 60mm under the pads. I just read through this entire thread and saw that someone basically asked about this exact configuration and you seemed to say that extending the headtube on wider head-tube bikes would probably be the safe bet. I figure 60mm under the pads would also give room for some airflow (though does the straw ruin that). This is going on a Medium Ceepo Viper-R, so pretty standard setup. The head-tube does honestly seem significantly more rounded and wide than say my p3c.

Am I safe to assume that my config is still the best bet or has the idea changed at all behind where to position the bottle?
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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I currently have my armrests in the narrowest config, and so they touch in the middle. However, since the armrests are quite wide, I can't easily bring my elbows together and hold it there, since there's nothing keeping them locked in. If they were about half as wide, and still touching in the middle, then it would be perfect. I see the race cups, which sounds like a possible option. But am I correct that the race cups in their narrowest position on the Aeria Ultimate would leave a gap in the middle? I guess the only way to achieve what I want is the reverse of the mounting bracket, which isn't advised and also then I would lose my tilt. The AU's are already super adjustable, so I'm not complaining, just can't hit this particular config it seems.
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [brbbiking] [ In reply to ]
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Has anybody had issues installing the stem onto a shiv steerer? The clearance is super tight and requires removal of the compression plug.
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [brbbiking] [ In reply to ]
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brbbiking wrote:
I currently have my armrests in the narrowest config, and so they touch in the middle. However, since the armrests are quite wide, I can't easily bring my elbows together and hold it there, since there's nothing keeping them locked in. If they were about half as wide, and still touching in the middle, then it would be perfect. I see the race cups, which sounds like a possible option. But am I correct that the race cups in their narrowest position on the Aeria Ultimate would leave a gap in the middle? I guess the only way to achieve what I want is the reverse of the mounting bracket, which isn't advised and also then I would lose my tilt. The AU's are already super adjustable, so I'm not complaining, just can't hit this particular config it seems.

Had the exact same problem with the cups coming with the AU. I switched to race cups and it is definitely better, although it might still be too wide for you. To give you an idea of how close they come, my BTA fits perfectly in between the two cups with very little space on each side. Also you could invert them and they should come a little bit closer.

On a side note, if anyone is interested I need to part my AU stem (100mm) + hydration (HSF Aeria). Unfortunately, 100mm is still too short for my needs :-(
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [karmakomae] [ In reply to ]
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That's good to know, thanks! I may go with the race cups to get a bit more locked in. I actually tried to simulate what it would be like to truly have my arms in the narrowest position of the AU pads, by putting some raised foam on the outer part of the armrest. It was fine on the trainer, but was too uncomfortable outdoors when my shoulders/etc were actually being used more, so it seems like I wouldn't want them that narrow anyway. So getting the race cups may be a good option for me.
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [realbdeal] [ In reply to ]
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Finally have my first ever build (from the ground up) done and it uses the Aeria Ultimate stem/hydration (though its pretty much stock for this bike). Super clean front end for a non super bike and with the hydration in place the profile really looks incredible. This is all with mechanical 2x as well. Overall very impressed with the stem/hydration though it hasn't gotten any outdoor rides yet.
Without the bottle:

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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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I am trying to get my pads lower to the basebar to get front end lower.... I'm on the stock bars that came with my P2 in 2011 and feel much too high, and I'm already using a long / negative stem.

My armrests are ~1.5" above the bars and I'm trying to get lower (and ideally arms are a bit more narrow, too). Link here for a pic from the side https://imgur.com/a/6cOZMK

I see on the spec that I can get to 25mm stack, but most of the pics I see look to be higher than that.

Can the bars get me lower than what I'm at today?
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [mvenneta] [ In reply to ]
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What is the angle of your current stem?
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [DFW_Tri] [ In reply to ]
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110cm @ -17

Here's a fit pic if that helps
https://imgur.com/a/q0lp1um
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [mvenneta] [ In reply to ]
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The bars you have run a minimum cockpit Y (pad Y - frame y) of over 100mm
The Aeria Ultimate is 48mm of bar stack + 12mm of stem stack (+ headset top cover) so it is much lower.
If you went with a modular setup the subsonic is slightly taller than the AU
In your case I'd set the priorities for a new bar as
1. tilt
2. actually having some pad offset adjustment
3. room to go lower

I'd prefer to see the pads more under your elbows (depending on whether that felt comfortable for you of course), tilting them lowers the elbow and could take some strain off your biceps. And a nicer wrist angle from different extensions. I'm not convinced you need to be much lower - but changing the bars to support you better would allow you to relax into them more, so you may as well look for room to go down if you change.


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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [realbdeal] [ In reply to ]
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How did you route your brake cables? I'm also using a non-Aeria basebar, so running the cables through the front of the stem isn't an option and I haven't figured out how to hide the cables as much as possible.
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks for helpful reply

I can rest elbows on pads (stretching forward 1.5” maybe) but then my hands hang off the end of the bars. I do use both positions tho

When you say offset, do you mean side to side or forward and back? I can shift the pads inward a good amount.

This might be hard question to answer - but would a different front end get me into a meaningful better position?
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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I'll post here since I have a question sort of related with the Aeria Ultimate. The combo AU bar + stem works nicely to hide cables and clean up the front end, and I really like that about it. Unfortunately it turns out in my case the 100mm Aeria Ultimate stem is still a bit short for my needs, and I switched to a 130mm stem. I went with the regular Aeria stem since it was readily available and fit the AU bar nicely, but I kind of regret in the process to be unable to route properly my cables through the stem and be back to exposed cables again.

I know there are a few stems that would allow me to route the cable through them properly, unfortunately none being 120+mm. I was wondering if Profile Design was planning at some point to release something along these lines? For instance the regular Aeria stem comes in 5 lengths from 70mm to 130mm so that's a lot of options, but none that provide routing capabilities.

Is there really no clean alternative? I see some people are drilling(!) their stem so there has to be a need for these kind of stems!
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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [karmakomae] [ In reply to ]
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karmakomae wrote:
I know there are a few stems that would allow me to route the cable through them properly, unfortunately none being 120+mm. I was wondering if Profile Design was planning at some point to release something along these lines?

It has been discussed and is in my long term possibilities list. But I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you...


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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [mvenneta] [ In reply to ]
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mvenneta wrote:
When you say offset, do you mean side to side or forward and back? I can shift the pads inward a good amount.

Fore and aft - so that you can fine tune the reach to get properly supported by the bars
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This might be hard question to answer - but would a different front end get me into a meaningful better position?

Can't say for sure of course. But as a fitter with 3D data for biomechanics and frontal area I can't overstate the importance of highly adjustable aerobars that allow you to find a setup you can relax into.
I significantly slowed myself down a few years ago going from clipons to an integrated setup with no tilt (but the bars looked better!)


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Re: Choice between the new ENVE SES Aero TT system or the Profile Design Aeria Ultimate. Which would you choose? [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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I don't know if many of you use the provided BTA with the bar, but I recently tried to use it and I'm having a hard time having a sturdy setup with it. It seems alright once assembled, but a few minute into the ride and it gets a bit of play between the parts, resulting in my my bottle and cage slightly able to rotate left/right. Tightening the screws doesn't seem to change much and I now have close to a full centimeter of play even with the screws tightened to the maximum. When riding without a bottle I can clearly hear the whole assembly rattling

I'm wondering if I am the only one in this case and if any of you found a fix or an alternative. A friend of mine has the alpha X and its BTA setup seems way more reliable. That plus the fact that it assembles above the bracket, meaning the bottle is at the right height and angle, seems like a clear winner in design. Is there a similar alternative for the Aeria Ultimate bar?
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