Yes

Yes

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Hell yes.

No

No

No

Yes. Though in the words of George carlin, he doesn't discriminate. He hates them all equally.

Yes. So blatantly obvious. God I wish the "no's" would explain their thinking.

YES, and D.

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Yes, although I think he believes he isn’t because he says he isn’t, and when he says things out loud they become truth to him. Meanwhile, his followers who believe him are either dumb, blinkered or as delusional as Trump himself.

Yes. But who cares? It's not the worst of his flaws.

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Yes

No. Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

100,000,000,000,000% yugely Yes.

Well please explain your view.

Don't think he is racist in that he feels he is a superior race. He thinks he is superior to everyone, regardless of race. He's a d!ck.

Exactly

Yes.

Not debatable. We are what we repeatedly say and do.

No. He’s pro-America and anti-people who aren’t America. Said another way, “America first.” That’s not racist.

That's my answer too. I don't think he is racist in that he thinks whites are superior. I do think he is completely bigoted and completely racially insensitive.

Birtherism.

"Detention centers are not concentration camps"- that one slipped through almost everyone's filter.

"Go back and help fix the totally broken and crime ridden places from which they came" TO AMERICAN CITIZENS.

"Shithole countries"

Uses Norway as an example country for immigration- why Norway?

Charlottesville

Condemnation of Mexican judge.

Can't even keep his mouth shut about Muslim countries being targeted long enough to get the rules he wants in place wanting a "complete and total shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our countries can figure out what is going on".


At this point it's a pattern. It's not a one-off thing. It's pretty obvious.


What's your reasoning?

Do people honestly believe that trump puts America’s interest over his own?

I don’t agree with it. But I can see people who say trump thinks he is superior and is a dick to everyone. I can’t see people believing trump is putting America, and not himself first.

You mean it’s not to all of our collective benefit as Americans to have our tax dollars pumped into his private business holdings every time he hosts anything at Mar-a-Lago or one of his other properties? #MAGA!!!

Except for white supremists who he thinks are fine people.

Oh and Dictators. He loves dictators.

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How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

Astute observation, were it not for the fact that he's drawn a moral equivalency between Putin's Russia and his own country whenever asked to condemn Russia's evil actions.

In fact, some of the very same kind of accusations that he construes as anti-American have come straight from his own mouth.

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Yes

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But he’s a much bigger dick to races other than white. So he’s a dick and a racist.

Yes. Without any doubt.

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Yes

Unequivocally no.

No.

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YES, big HELL YES

can someone please explain to me wtf “pro-America” is and if they really think he espouses American values through his actions and potty mouth

Shocking.

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Yes.

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"The great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do."

Without hesitation, yes.

No.

He's an elitist. Doesn't care what color/race/creed/sex you are, he believes he's better than you. Than us. Than all of us.

I've always despised the man, but really hoped he'd do something good. I'm still waiting...

I think the things Trump believes in are best for America. He wants secure borders that we control, he wants America to build things instead of buy things, he wants equitable trade internationally, he wants NATO nations to pay their fair share like we do, he wants us to be the best in the world militarily, he wants American companies to invest here instead of internationally. What about those things do you have a problem with?

He’s not better than me. In fact, he’s far worse than me. But he’s not a racist, and that’s the asked question. He’s also done a lot of good — SCOTUS nominees, tax cuts, Paris Accord, economic growth— depending on your point of view, of course.

Oh definitely it depends on your point of view.

My point of doing something good? I mean doing something altruistic that doesn't - in the end - benefit his bottom line.

If you can't see that that is all the man has *ever* done, than I don't know what else to tell ya.

But this is the deepest you'll ever see me into politics, so I bid you all adieu... I don't belive I'll revisit this particular thread. Besides, the pup thread is where it's at right now...
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No.

Wish we could have LR polls.

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Of course.

Can you articulate, why does it matter?

Yes!!! A despicable fucking racist.

No ...
Amazing how many here haven't a clue what a racist is.

The US Equal Opportunity Commission spells out Anti-Discrimination laws here.

They specifically call out racial harassment based upon national origin with this statement:


Sound familiar? If Trump worked in the Federal Government or in a public company in any other position than the one he holds, he would be held accountable for breaking the law.

Now, you might not think making statements that are racist makes someone a racists, but I believe you are what you do.

If this was in isolation, it might be a worthy debate. But his history of racist remarks and actions is well documented. He is what he has repeatedly done.

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Yes

I think he is xenophobic, and displays some prejudices, but back in private sector, he hires the best person for the job he needs regardless of skin color or gender.

This topic is so off-course and tired. MSM following dolts screaming racism at every turn.

Absolutely. And a lot of other terrible things as well. One does not preclude the others.

No.
Nor was his Squad tweet.

This doesn't indicate that he isn't racist. It just means he's willing to put his own bottom line above his pre-conceived notions. Based on 25 years as an employment lawyer, I can tell you I've seen a number of business owners and employers that maintain pretty racist-sounding points of view, but they still hire "the best person for the job regardless of skin color or gender" because: (1) they know they'll get in trouble with the EEOC if they don't; and (2) they have the business' best interests at heart and they truly believe they'll be better off financially with the minority candidate. It doesn't change their core belief, though.

My answer to the question is "yes."

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That's true. I didn't say he was or wasn't racist. I don't think we know enough to make that call. He says/does and has said/done things that could make you think either way. That's why personally I think this is a tired and shitty "poll".

Hell yes

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It is also incredibly silly if you actually think trump hires the best person for the job. He has staffed people because of 1) nepotism. If you think his children/SIL are the best people for the job you are crazy. 2) Most of trump's high level appointments have failed. 3) Trump himself has said high level appointments were not qualified for the job.

You cant say he hires the best people, when the turnover is so high and when he himself says the person wasnt qualified.

Are you really such a gullible fool that fell for that fake news?

A week ago I would have said no, that he was just a petty-minded, self-centered, moderately intelligent person who said things he knew would feel comforting to his base in their guts. Much like I don't believe Rush Limbaugh actually believes 50% of what he says, but rather says them to benefit his ratings, I thought Trump simply said what would achieve his desired ends.

But after last week, there is simply no question anymore that either he is a racist at heart, or is trying to convince every last person that he is a racist. By telling an American citizen to go back to where they came from is saying that by virtue of your skin color, America is not where you're "from." If you're white, you belong here. You're "from" here. If you're brown, you don't belong here. You're "from" somewhere else.

It's the definition of racist. My skin color denotes that I deserve the the benefits of this country. Your skin color denotes you don't belong here, so get off my land.

Perhaps the fake MSM has been far too prevalent in my life. What has he said/done that would make me think he is not racist or prejudiced against minorities?

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I think since it's become such social stigma to be racist, a lot of people have moved the bar to where a racist = white (or whatever) supremacist rather than just a good old fashioned bigot.

My answer is yes.

To address the above poster.......if you take that literally.....yes. He's against the Chinese and other trade problems, wants more advantageous immigration policy with surrounding countries, and wants to reshape our role abroad in national security.

Taken in the way I'm pretty sure you and POTUS mean it.......it's a pretty vile and disgusting thing to divide a united populous under one flag as "not American" because they disagree with your ideology.

How many revolting communist, socialist, fascist dictatorial leaders can we think of that basically said "you don't agree with me, so you're not 'us'".......and acted on it?

Also, your opinion of "no" isn't well justified with the sentences after that. Just because someone wants to divide and conquer a populous by excluding dissenters from the republic doesn't make them racist........nor does it make them not racist.

The key I think a few of you forget is that he told US Citizens to go back to another country. He made a presumption based on race and religious affiliation about their countries of origin. So, he's batting 3 for 3 on both racist and Islamophobe and arguably xenophobe.

It's like the old "well, black people like watermelon and fried chicken". Or, white men can't jump or dance. She's Muslim so she must not be from America: 1. She's Latina so she must not be from America: 2. They share an idea I don't like that has origins from other countries and I'm attacking that (it isn't native): 3. For #3, it isn't that he (or you) don't like it. That's perfectly fine. It's the why that matters. He and some others seem to not like it because of where it comes from.

To get more in depth on #3, the xenophobia, it's usually related to bringing up the very old-school American political trick of the most repugnant forms of socialism and communism that can be found abroad. Then draw a parallel, however loose, to yoke a foe to the most repugnant example you can find. Usually a close neighbor like Cuba and conjuring up murderous images of Che and Castro and a truly socialist regime. Or other banana republics.

Not realizing whatsoever that the US has had a long history of quite a few programs that are quite socialist. Uhmmmm, social security? 1935. Medicare, 1965. Disaster relief, FEMA, 1979, trade unions since forever.

We've all got a little racism in us. It's all in how we react when we're confronted about it.

Paraphrasing the sheriff in No Country for Old Men: if he isn't racist, he'll do until the racist shows up.

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That is clearly not correct. He hired Jared.

Yes.

If I were to send out tweets suggesting that coworkers of color go back to where they came from, I'd have been fired, as well as anyone else I know would be fired for doing so.

Technically Trump and members of Congress are not co-workers, however I would add this to the over-flowing bucket of reasons to impeach.

Yes, obviously.

To the people who think otherwise... what would it take to make you come around?

Does he have to have a Kramer-style N-word meltdown?

If it walks like a duck....

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Well, the news lost it's credibility when it promoted the Fine People Hoax.

That fucking thing just won't stop quacking. Windywave would shoot it.

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It's a mystery why it won't stop quacking...

I dont think trump's reaction to Charlottesville is a good indication of trump not being a racisit.

Trump: "Excuse me. Excuse me. Take it nice and easy. Here’s the thing: When I make a statement, I like to be correct. I want the facts. This event just happened. In fact, a lot of the event didn’t even happen yet, as we were speaking. This event just happened.

Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides.


It was a group of neo-nazis.

One thing that comes ringing through these posts: Because Trump can so easily gaslight his followers they think they can turn around and gaslight everyone else (sane people) with his lame lies and talking points.

Sorry suckers but it ain’t going to happen.

Please try again. Show the entire exchange/context.

It was clearly a discussion about the removal of Confederate statues, and "both sides" referred to people on both sides of that issue.

If that's not enough, he goes on to specifically say that he isn't talking about the white supremacists, and that they should be condemned totally.

If you can't see that, you are a weak minded, gullible fool that fell for fake news. (Or so totally partisan/biased that you base your reality on confirmation of that bias).

His words are all there in black and white, and they are racist. Therefore I conclude he is a racist. so YES!

I think the onus is on you to explain why they are not.

No, it was not. The rally was called, "Unite the Right" and featured lots of racist and neo-nazi speakers. That was one side. It was not about confederate monument removal, they just gathered by a confederate monument, because they were racists.

You are trying to change the history of the event.

Wrong thread! And wouldn't you know they are both windy's threads. Ready, aim, shoot. Dam it! You missed. It's still quacking.

So the issue of removing confederate statues is passed? There "were" very fine people on both sides?

The question asked to trump asked and answered was about two groups. The alt-left and white supremacists.

Reporter: "Mr. President, are you putting what you’re calling the alt-left and white supremacists on the same moral plane?" ....


Trump: "I’m not putting anybody on a moral plane. What I’m saying is this: You had a group on one side and you had a group on the other, and they came at each other with clubs -- and it was vicious and it was horrible. And it was a horrible thing to watch.



Reporter: "The neo-Nazis started this. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest --"
Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."

Eacactly. It literally was a march of white males with torches and some had swastika flags. Under no circumstance would a reasonable President declare some of them “fine people.”

The poor men who lost their lives storming the beaches of Normandy would roll over in their graves to hear that a President said such a thing or that his weak-minded followers defend it. If there’s anything on which we should all agree it is that Nazis were and are bad people.

Two answers so far:

1) Yes, because he does and says a lot of racist things just as he always has.

2) No, because being labeled a racist would be bad for my leader and I always support my leader, facts be damned.

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Yes.

No not THAT exchange. The other one. The good one.

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There is a third answer.

3) Conspicuous contributors who haven't chimed in because they think he's a racist, but don't want to publicly admit it.

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The best definition I have read is someone uses race to suppress the liberty of another person. I think what you might be arguing is that Trump's tweets are simple political strategy. He doesn't "hate" AOC because of her cultural heritage, he simply views her as his political enemy. If you start with the believe that his ends are justified and you ignore the content of his speech then this is just political theater.

Of course that is absurd. He is specifically using race as a means to undermine his opponents. That makes him a racist regardless of his intent. Some have argued that his intent was to give AOC a larger megaphone and further the division of the Democratic party. Okay. That still makes him a racist.

or 3) White Supremacy is a powerful drug

NO

Trump is racist like so many old white men I've met (some of whom are family members) who say and believe racist things but who could never be convinced they're racist because they're not the image of racism they grew up with.

Trump clearly views non-whites as other, and this tweet and past statements and actions reinforce that viewpoint. I'm not aware of him advising any white progressive America Haters to go back to their respective "home" countries, but it's possible I just missed those.

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I had a grandmother that was racist by todays standards. She would never call herself that. She really wasnt racist, but just the times have changed.

I remember one day one of my friends (who was black) came over to play. I dont really remember her exact reflection on the situation but it was something along the lines of "she was so proud that i thought so highly of her that I didnt even need to tell her in advance that my friend was black. Especially because my friend was as dark as night."

I find it amusing to see my racist Trump supporting uncle on FB defending this sort of thing as not racist. I just don't know if he really believes he isn't racist or what.

We see them every summer and Christmas when we go home to visit. After last year's visit my 11 year old daughter asked, "Why is Uncle .... nice to black people in public when he says such mean things about them in private?"

If a kid is picking up on something like that when she only sees him for a few hours a couple days out of the year, he might be a racist.

https://nypost.com/...t-too-far-this-time/


this is pretty close to where I am at (again)

You mean the one where he says:

You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down, of to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.
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and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally

There are racists, by definition. A lot of them are the product of their times and the world around them. But most of them don't act out of their racism, thus there are little harm done.

Trump, on the other hand, is not only a racist, but also acting on that racism by his executive power; That's what makes him particularly harmful.

Yes. In the same way that every person on the planet is. Mostly he's an ass.

Why would good people want statues of rebel scum?

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Why does it matter why the white supremacists were there? That does not stop them from being white supremacists.

Are any white progressive Americans saying the same things as Oman, AOC, and Tlaib?

I completely agree.

No

Obama was tho

I don't keep up enough to be able to answer your question, but I think it would be just as comical for Trump to tell white progressive "Americans" to go back to where they came from. But we both know that wouldn't happen, don't we.

What exactly have they said?

What in particular are you referring to?

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Don't play dumb. You know exactly what they've said. You can search the internet all day to find stories linking the shitty things DJT says but you can't be bothered to find all the bullshit they have?

You're the worst. You beat Barry handily in a battle of intellectual dishonesty.

I think it's difficult to under estimate what foolish things Trump might say.

Speaking of intellectual dishonesty, of what relevance does what they said have to do with Trump's comments? Is someone trying to suggest that they EARNED racist remarks because of their behavior?

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Nice - You just won the internet. And blew up the ST LR Circle Jerk. Well done.

Ask the person who asked that, it wasn't me.

But it apparently had enough relevance for intellectually dishonest chappy to chime in and play stupid. Which I realize isn't much of a stretch for him.

But you.. you cum laude.

I'm going to assume they were being honest. You're just being a troll. Seeing as you have been the only one to pay any heed to the unnecessary comment, I'm going to safely file this under #fakenews.

Well I think it was a pretty relevant question. "What did they say?" Yes, they said a lot of things. I think the question implied, "What did they say that earned racist marks such that it makes the person levying them justified and not racist to make them."


So here's the question directed at YOU. What did they say?

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FWIW, Trump is a crazy person. I mean that sincerely. He has an extreme case a narcissistic personality disorder. So what motivates him to say the words that come out of his mouth is hard to pin down, but generally speaking, its his narcissism.


Ultimately what this means is that he has no problem making racist remarks, or behaving in a racist manner because he doesn't care what damage it does to people.



So, is he a racist? Well, he is certainly playing one on TV, and I personally don't see what difference it makes, other than being racist AND crazy is much worse than simply being a racist.

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It was so peaceful on your internet ignore list.

I have a hard time believing you have not heard any of the questionable comments made by "The Squad." The majority of the comments in question are antisemitic or calling those who criticize them racist.

So why has he not asked other people that have made anti-Semitic remarks to leave the country? Why only do it for people of color?

yes. and "D"

Are you intentionally being obtuse on this one? These woman have grouped themselves together (presumably for political reasons) and gave themselves a nick name. The same group is highly critical of America regularly calling their opposition racist, sexist, bigoted, etc. while also trying to usher in socialism and sympathizing with Palestine. I believe many people interpret their criticism as being anti-American, and is very clearly anti-Jew/Israel.

I do not think Trump should have made the statement. While I am not a Trump apologist, I'm assuming Trump's thought was something along the lines of "If you don't like it here leave." (Ironically, I believe 3 of the 4 women in question were born in the USA). The Squad calls Trump a White Nationalist and he hits back by accusing them of not liking America.

Everyone has a breaking point where they get tired of assuming Trump means something much more innocent than the words he actually spoke/wrote.

Hey, want to join my Squad!? What a ridiculous name. We'll come up with something better.

I am not being obtuse. You do understand that in this country it is encouraged to dissent and to try and improve the country. it is one of those great things about America. it is why they worked and got elected to Congress, to improve the country. So calling that anti-American is insulting to the people that have worked to make this country a better place. trump more than anyone complains about this country and attacks our institutions like free speech and law enforcement all the time, yet these same people dis-honestly call these people anti-American, it is ridiculous and dangerous.

Also, how is sympathizing with palestine, being Anti-Jew? I would be very careful about falling into the classic anti-semitic trope of linking all of Judaism with Israel.

You know that is not what he said, right? He did not tell them to get out of the US. He told them to get their houses in order, then show us how it is done. He stated that the countries from which they originally came are "broken and crime infested places" and they should go fix them, then show us how it is done. That is completely and totally different than telling a person of color to get out of the US and never come back.

Does that mean he is not a racist? Of course not, don't be silly. But, if you are basing your position that he is a racist on the "fact" that he told people of color to get out of the US and don't come back, then you are playing with false facts.

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No, no, no. Don't let him move the goal posts on you.


Trump told 4 minorities to go back to the countries from where they came from. Full stop! No other context needed. It doesn't matter if the took a shit on the US flag while raping aborted veterans. When you use a racist attack, you are degrading EVERYONE of that race. Three of these women were born in America. There is no country to go back to.

That's all that needs to be discussed.


Having said that, the "if you are going to complain about our country," part. Trump's ENTIRE campaign was based on MAGA. ie Fixing everything that is wrong with this country.



Anyone here who is defending these statements, at all, is not at all interested in reality. They are only interested in defender der fuhrer, and will say whatever they need to say to do so.

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My understanding is that the countries from which (3 of the 4) originally came is the US.

Are you suggesting that Trump meant that citizens should prioritize the countries in which their ancestors lived, rather than the country in which the citizen is a citizen and lives? Should we all do that?

Depends, are we talking white people or brown/black people?

Also it matters whether liberal or conservative. For some reason when's conservatives bitch about this or that in regards to the country they appear immune to being told to leave or go back to where they came from.

How many countries has Trump shit on? How many white people has he told to go back to where they came from? This really is that simple. There isn't even a small stretch that needs to happen here.

He stated that the countries from which they originally came are "broken and crime infested places" and they should go fix them, then show us how it is done//

And how is that different from go back to the countries you came from? I mean, almost all of them came from this country, so does what you wrote make any sense in that context? So he is basically saying go back to this country, go and fix it, and then show us(them) how it is done? So either he is real stupid, or a racist. It easily could be both though..

Not necessarily based upon this one statement in isolation, but based upon all available evidence, do you think Trump is a racist?

A simple "yes" or "no" will do, no need to explain.

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Try reading what I wrote.

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Seriously? Look, I'm not going to defend Trump as not being a racist. But, I am going to point out what he said.

If someone told my kids to go back to Mexico, I'd be pissed. That would be saying my brown-skinned kids have no business in the US.

But, if my kid was protesting homelessness and someone said, "go fix the homeless problem in Mexico, then show us how it is done," I would laugh and point out my kid has never been to Mexico. But, I would look at this comment the same way I look at the Canadians who tell us how to govern and we tell them to go fix Canada first, then show us how it is done.

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I've explained this before. I know you want a yes or no answer. I cannot give it. I said before - I don't know, but, he acts like it. I don't know whether that is his true feeling or he is playing to a group of his supporters. Now, that doesn't make it right. Doesn't excuse it. Doesn't make it ok. But, I simply do not know. He certainly says things that give that impression and I cannot and will not defend that behavior.

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Would it make a difference if they already knew your kids were not from Mexico?

I mean, what exactly are you defending, here? Are you suggesting that its perfectly okay to single out minorities and tell them to go back to countries that they never lived in because those countries happen to be full of people who look like them?


I mean, how far are we going word smith this one?


Bring back the days where racists just cheered when someone said the N-word. I don't like this passive aggressive racism that we've evolved into.

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Nope, he specifically mentions the countries they are originally from.

If someone told my kids to go back to Mexico, I'd be pissed. That would be saying my brown-skinned kids have no business in the US.//

And that would be racist, would it not? I get what you are trying to say, Trump may say racist things, may do racist things, but somehow, maybe he is not really racist. He is just pretending to be one, to appease a large portion of his base. But really, if you say racist things and do racist things, I think what you really feel is irrelevant at that point, you are racist..

Nope.


I was very, very, very clear in my last post that I cannot and will not defend his comment(s). I made that very clear. But, folks need to stop misstating what he said. What he said is bad enough, but, at least get it right.

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You just proved my point. Thank you.

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Nope, not saying that. I'm going to write it for the third time in this thread - I cannot and will not defend what he said. I don't think it is defensible. But, I think what he actually said is bad enough. Folks don't need to misstate what he said. Just accurately state what he actually said and criticize what he actually said. What swimwithstones claimed Trump said is inaccurate.

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If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers

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Sure, in that your point is that you must defend trump at all costs, even ignoring his own words. Glad I could help prove your point.

You really are vying for a permanent position as the LR Village Idiot, aren't you?

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If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers

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Try as I might, no way I could beat you for that title.

Why, because you're made of rubber and I'm made of glue?

But, you could be right. Every time I read one of your posts, I lose 2-3 IQ points. So, you keep at it!

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If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers

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I am pretty sure that is a lie, because you don't even read what I write.

Granted, it does take me a long time to read what you write. I am not fluid in Village Idiot. So, to read your posts, I have to use Google translate to convert your words to English. It takes some time. But, I do read every word and will continue to do so until the loss of IQ points I suffer from reading your drivel ends my ability to read.

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If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers

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Oh I don’t know. Barry started a hey look at me and how clever I am about dittoheads thread this afternoon. At one point 4 of the first 5 posters were Barry. Chappie. Cappy. And DeiselPete. It was pretty much a battle royale for VI.

Babies in cages!!! Babies in cages!!! Is coming up hard on the outside.

I amused myself earlier this week thinking of you having to defend management in a case after they made this tweet about employees.

At some point you have to just call it a duck.

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I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.

Well, I look forward to you continuing to bullshitting when you are obviously wrong.

If there was any doubt Trump is a racist, just watch the highlights from his KKK rally in NC.

Sorry, even Google translate couldn't figure this one out ...

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If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers

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I am not being obtuse. You do understand that in this country it is encouraged to dissent unless that dissent was against Obama's policies. Then you were a RACIST.


and to try and improve the country. it is one of those great things about America. it is why they worked and got elected unless "Russia" helped them


to Congress, to improve the country. Kind of sounds like trying to Make America Great Again. In that case, it's RACIST.

Paul Ryan is that you?

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Suffer Well.

It is ridiculous that you have to keep posting these sentiments. Some of the loonies here go rabid if someone doesn't come out with a full-fledged attack on Trump for each and everything he says. Some of them (Chapparal chief among them) are acting a bit unhinged because they are reading your comments (like the one above) and are accusing you of defending/supporting Trump.

So what countries is trump tellling them to go back to? America? Is America the crime filled corrupt place? How do they go back to America?

did you see the rally? where he stood up there, drinking it in, as his crowd chanted, "send her back; send her back."

when i was a kind, and i mean something like 7 or 8, during the watts riots, the middle of the civil rights era, i remember thinking, ardently, that black people should go back to africa. that they shouldn't have come here in the first place if they didn't like it here. of course there were a few points of history i'd yet to learn. but i specifically remember having that thought, and i don't want to forget that i had that thought.

i don't know where that came from. how does that occur to an 8 year old? it came from somewhere. those thoughts found a pretty fertile ground in me, because that train of thought was made available to me and because nationalism and hate and scapegoating come naturally. the "thin veneer" of civilization is, boiled down, the taming, the denial, the unlearning, of ideas that come naturally.

trump is giving people the green light to throw off the constraints civilization places on us. he's made chumps of otherwise good people, formerly good people, occasionally good people. he's convinced 40 percent of america to gather 'round, take off their clothes, put on a propeller hat, wear swim fins, and circle jerk. in 10 years, somebody is going to poll america, asking who participated in the 2016 election, and if so who did we vote for, and that poll will say that 12 percent voted for trump. it will become our big national embarrassment, and every trumpist's private embarrassment.

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"........gather 'round, take off their clothes, put on a propeller hat, wear swim fins, and circle jerk. "


Quoted for posterity. ;)

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Dude, I don't want to go out with you. Please stop calling this number!

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Wow! The last couple dozen posts read like they were written by juveniles.

Trump reminds me of George Wallace, from when I was a child.

So, I’ll say it for the fourth (or maybe fifth) time - I’m not defending his conduct and it is indefensible. Again, I’m merely asking people to criticize what he actually said. Swim with stones did not do that. You did, and it wasn’t difficult, was it??? I don’t think I that is too much to ask.

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I'm going to have to beg to differ with you. You think I think his actions are racist because he told them to get out. That's not what I said.

I'm saying he's racist because he told them to go back to where they were originally from. Three of the four of them are originally from the US, but of course, that's not what he meant. He meant they should go back to the country of their ancestors. But by suggesting where they're originally from is the same as where their ancestors are from, he is clearly saying that somehow they are not from America.

I don't care if he said they should come back or not. If you're focused on that, you're missing the issue. He is calling them "other." That's the point.

This is what I originally asked. Now you have explained. I appreciate that. I do not disagree with you. I did take issue with how you originally expressed your position. Now I see where you are coming from. Thank you! With this, I agree.

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If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers

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And... it's ok for him to say that America isn't great (because he's white? Because he's Trump? I don't know). But it's not ok for them foreign looking people to say America isn't great.

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How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

So, we'll mark that as a yes to the OP's question.

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Suffer Well.

Puppy must have you in a good mood. ;)

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I thought my earlier response would put me in the "yes" camp, but, ok.

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If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers

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Yeah! Aside from the lack of sleep, she makes my very happy! ;-)

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If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers

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I don't speak lawyer, but so forgive me if I was left with a less than 100% clear answer on your response to me:


You cleared it up with your last response to swimwithstones that I quoted.

If you made a more definitive statement in your discussion with chaparal, I must admit not reading past the juvenile exchange between the two of you.

I will retract the comparison between you and that spineless former speaker of the house from your state.

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Suffer Well.

Ha! Thanks! I think ...

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If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers

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so she hasn't shit in her crate and flung it all over the floor and walls yet? That was the hidden talent of our Husky pup. It was awesome spraying the crate at 2am in February. Good girl was with us for 14 awesome years though.

She had one incident where she shit all over her crate blanket. Fortunately, nearly all of it was in the blanket.

But, this "impressed" me - I put her in her crate with a ball that holds dog food so she has to pick it out. She loves food. I thought that would make her happy and keep her occupied. She chewed up the food and spit it out, smearing it all over the metal bars in the crate door and all over the blanket and walls. It wasn't poo. It wasn't puke. It was barely chewed dog food spit out all over everything. That was fun ...

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If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers

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You cleaned that up? She was just saving that for later.

According to Duffy, no.

Sean Duffy that is.

Duffy defended Trump on the floor, saying the president’s remarks could not be racist because they did not cite anyone’s race.

https://www.jsonline.com/...american/1749509001/

Can't argue with that logic...

Lindsay Graham's views have devolved.

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Suffer Well.

This is something I REALLY dont understand. HOW do these peoples view changes THIS WAY.

in the other thread you have Ripple (I think) saying there is no way could have known trump would be THIS bad (even worse on the campaign trail). If you thought he was horrible then, how are you ok with it now.

Lindsay wants either:

1. To get re-elected
2. A better job in the Administration.
3. Avoid the the release of compromising info someone in Trump's circle has on him.

Either way, he is a spineless piece of political garbage who has locked his future to Trump's trajectory.

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Suffer Well.

Yes

Like Stephen Colbert said recently about #45's racist tweets attacking four women of color, "a new personal best at being the worst!"

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Death is easy....peaceful. Life is harder.

I can't remember who it was or where I heard it, I think on a Sam Harris podcast, somebody who backstage before an event with Lindsey when Trump was on his way to winning the nomination. The person was saying how Linsay was bad mouthing Trump and openly wondering why they couldn't just kick him out of the Republican party.

Even among big time politicians this guy takes the cake for spineless garbage. Trump has made him his bitch. In fact the irony of all this with the angst on the left is that Trump has made the Republican party his bitch and is in the process of degrading the right for a long time to come.

I understand you get paid to argue w/ people for a living (like the Monty Python skit only w/ the ironic humor surgically removed), but FFS this was plainly obvious to everyone but the most raging pedant (or unapologetic Trump ballwasher) already.

That's not what he originally said. But, I understand you being too stupid to see that.

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Honestly I don't think any of us could know based on TV appearances. There is a whole lot of spin on everything he does. I think only if you knew him directly and worked with him one-on-one would you really know. But, I think that he has married a person from another country and is in good regards with his Jewish Son-in-law suggest he is not racist. Certainly not proof, but I don't think too many racists do these things.

So what to the non-politically motivated people who know him best say? They would be a better judge than any of us.

I know my SIL who is black and other Blacks I have worked with say they can tell pretty quickly if a person is good or bad person. Racists and even subtle racism is detected quickly. Or at least if they are not sure they may have a concern quickly which can be further vetted over time.

So for now I think No he is not racist, but I am certainly not in the right position to know.

Huh? You know it's possible to be cool w/ European foreigners and Jews, but still be racist towards brown folks? Racist doesn't mean you hate all other ethnic groups equally, in fact quite the contrary.

Perspective is an interesting thing. You see it as him attacking four women of color. I see it as him attacking four political opponents who have been very outspoken in their hate for him. If you say you want to impeach the motherfucker than you better be ready for his anger.

One thing is for sure, he is an equal opportunity asshole to everyone, regardless of race, religion, or creed.

He seems to except Norwegians. Specifically. Apparently Swedes and Danes can go eff themselves.

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But those 4 are hardly his only/most vocal critics... How many white critics has he told to go back to where they came from? Riddle me that...

He didn't just tell them to STFU, or even the more generic jingoist "Love it or leave it"; No, he told 3 Americans who were born here and 1 more who is a naturalized citizen to "go back where they came from" ~ now why would he use that particular slam among all the possible counterattacks if it were simply a matter of lashing back against a generic political opponent, as opposed to ones who look a certain way?

The fact is he is NOT an equal opportunity asshole to everyone regardless of background. He's certainly a broad-spectrum asshole alright, but nevertheless he reserves different brands of venom for people of different race/ethnicity, gender, religion, etc, and not only in this latest instance. If you can't see that, you're deliberately ignoring it.

I have an honest question for you. My neighbor is black. If his dog craps on my lawn, can I call him the N-word? If not, what would he have to do to justify calling him the N-word?

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Yes he attacked four women for being critical of them.

And HOW did he attack them? By telling them to go back to their country. By saying racist things. Only a racist would think of racist ways to attack them. Has he ever told Nancy pelosi or Schumer to go back to their country.

No, and nothing.

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Can Barry tell his black neighbour to go back to where he's from? Will you defend Barry if he does?

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How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

Have at it if he wants. Depending on the circumstances, I might even defend him.

Not quite. He has his favorites who he fawns over, like Putin and Kim.

Four women? Or the self segregated "Squad"?

And he was telling them to take their stupid progressive ideas back to where they came from (could have been metaphorical or how a lot of people perceived them) and fix their corrupt governments (with their stupid progressive ideas).

Trump didn't single out 4 random women of color. He attacked "The Squad", and not for their skin color, but their progressive ideas (Greeen New Deal, etc).

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How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

I am honestly curious where you get your news from.



Like where has it even been discussed that trump attacked their progressive policies?

or go back to where you came from was metaphorical?

Like what? How they were the ones who started "The Squad"?

Or their ideas like the GND?

Or that he told them to go back and fix their corrupts governments, not just to go back to where they come from?

Be Better.

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I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.

Yes. What does the green new deal have to to with trump telling minority women to go back to their crime infested and corrupt governments?

Where in any news source has that link been made.

Trump told them to go back to America to fix their corrupt government? Wouldn't being in congress be a way to fix the corrupt government?

I mean even trump admits he is corrupt.

Again, your reading comprehension is horrible.

Trump addressed them as progressives. You are the one insisting on focusing on their skin color.

Can you tell me what country AOC is originally from?

Can you please link me any article saying that trump was attacking these women based on the climate change policies as you said. Or really because of their progressive policies

And we know if they had progressive policies but weren't critical of Trump he wouldn't single them out. Trump is an open book. If he's lashing out at them it's because he personally feels he's been slighted.

Just for his point. I want to see where trump wanted them to leave this country based on their political policies.

If he is saying the president can tell people to leave the country based on their progressive policies...

Take a look at the post by Chappy above quoting Trump. Trump basis his comments on calling them progressives coming from places with shit policies that are corrupt and create greater crime. Things he thinks their progressive policies will cause in the US.

So he is telling progressives to leave the country?

The ones with Shit policies that disagree with his, yes. Does that make him racists?

So what country, that has a corrupt and inept government that is also complete and total catastrophe, is Ayana Pressley originally from?

No but fascist (your reply was almost a dictionary definition) Is that we are arguing?

Please also post some link arguing this. The president isn’t racist. Just fascist.

That is a wild defense.

Nice deflection of my original post. Where did I defend anything he said? You asked "Just for his point. I want to see where trump wanted them to leave this country based on their political policies."

I pointed out in his tweet where he was basing it on progessive policies and not race.

you now have your answer. I asked if that was racists. I guess you are now in the camp Trump is not racists but fascists. Good for you.

where did I say that makes any sense?

I am saying that if that is people’s defense, it is a wild defense.

Calling a defense wild does not mean I agree with it. "The president isnt racist, he is a fascist" I would like to see any article that discusses that.

Also a fascist telling progressives to leave the America because they are not living up to American ideals/hating the country, makes zero sense.

Can you even read? Look at the tweets.

"Progressive" Democrat Congresswomen .... countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe ... telling the people of the United States ... how our government is to be run.

Why don't they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places ... Then come back and show us how it is done.

He's talking about how governments are run (policies) and to go back and fix it, AND THEN COME BACK and show us how it's done.

Yet, somehow you read it as, "Hey brown people, go back to your brown countries and never come back."

So what country is AOC originally from?

This is the same horseshit excuse Svenn tried to trot out... It's horseshit because he's gotten all sorts of flak from progressives, but he only told the brown-skinned ones to "go back where they came from" even though 3 or the 4 were born here and the other grew up here.

Please tell us where he's told any white progressive critic (Shirley you can't believe there haven't been any) to go back where they came from. He'll take plenty of other shots at their character, intelligence, whatever, but he's only brandished that particular slam against people who weren't white.

Why do you suppose that is?

If Obama or Clinton, or Bush is still president and a congressman or women comes in and says " we should pass a law that gives all the money in the US to the Russians and another one that turns over all of our nukes to Iran and dismantles our military" Would it be fascists of the president to tell that person those shit policies are a danger to our society and you should get the hell out of town if you want to pass those bills?

I think Trump is stupid and reacts like a school yard bully to anyone that goes against him. In this case, he thinks the Squads ideas are bad for the country so in his 7 year old brain, he tells them to get the hell out of here with that junk.

That was literally your argument. The president attacked the squad not for their skin color but because of their ideas.

Yes. Most presidents will say their ideas are dangerous, and they dont agree with them. Not that they should be deported.

if we are going to say we need to deport people for their ideas/policies that is dangerous. Steve King is a far right politician, people have argued his ideas are shit and not helping the country. This if FAR different than saying lets deport him.

Don't recall him saying they should be deported. I think a self imposed removal from the country was implied. Also, there is your 7 year old Trump brain coming out. No one said he was smart.

But damn that economy is good and we are living in a time of sustained peace and prosperity.

have we been arguing that the economy is not good or in a time of sustained peace and prosperity?

No just like to throw that in. Probably why none of this matters much.

They were literally cheering "send her back"

Who said deport them?

Trump said go back and fix (with your progressive policies) those countries with lousy governments and then COME BACK and tell us how to do it.

Your cognitive blindness is astounding. You must literally see different words than are actually there.