Confirmed. Apparently its a limitation of the dongle not the spectrum itself.

Thanks for being receptive to ordering things. The second one would be nice but no big deal if it doesn't happen.


One other thing I'd like to see changed.

When you click on Career then scroll down it shows NP for each workout. Could you show AP & NP?

NP is nice but when I look at a workout I'd like to know what I actually did for AP.

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Brian Stover USAT LII
Accelerate3 Coaching
Insta

Tri base. Iron distance mid. Thx Trevor.

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Human Person

I agree with Brian/Desert Dude.

Nate and crew, thanks for seeking input and considering our requests. TR is really a great system. It's so good that I'm avoiding it as it's kicking my ass (but that's my fault).

Email sent, thanks.

Hopefully someone who has a Vortex and TrainerRoad can shed some light on something for me.
First, I am new to training with power in the last year, never have owned a power meter so I have no real perception of what a watt feel like or 500 for that matter, have been using Virtual Power on trainerRoad for about a year now with a roughly 15 year old Nashbar fluid trainer. I just got a Tacx Vortex and set it up yesterday, I calibrated it with the Tacx app and once I had it in the acceptable zone ( on the high end I might add) I then calibrated it with trainerRoad.I did my first short ride on it and all my effort levels felt cray crazy low. what should have been my FTP felt like my warm up and so on. fast forward to today I just did my first Threshold test on it and my FTP went up by almost 100 watts.
I am assuming that my old trainer, 1 was too old and TrainerRod didnt have a real powercurve for it, 2 that I had set it up with the resitence being way way high (the resistence unit was always as tight as I could get the nut) or 3 a combination.
I am concerned about having an inflated FTP, the other posibility is I set the Vortex up wrong, I dont think I did but maybe so , it was calibrated multiple times in the Tacx app and then trainer Road. anybody have any thoughts?

Last FTP test with 15 year old trainer: https://www.trainerroad.com/...448053-8-Minute-Test

Todays test with Vortex:https://www.trainerroad.com/...875592-8-Minute-Test

From an effort stand point todays test felt spot on, my heart rate was in the same place as last time give or take. I am nervous cause having never used a real power meter I have no frame of refference what the exertion level truly should feel like, in the end as long as the numbers are consistent who really cares I guess. just tweaking out a bit.


thanks for any input

Hi Trevor,

Tried to use the search function but couldnt get it working...is there anyway to import my trainerroad workouts into mapmyfitness?

Other than exporting each tcx file individually?

I don't have a Vortex, but waiting on one to be delivered right now (hopefully soon)!

If your 350W FTP and 3.86 W/kg are correct, then you should be FOP or near FOP in most races you do, especially on flat courses. If you aren't, then the calibration is likely off. There is no way to really tell if it is calibrated correctly based on the info you provided other than your performance outside or with a PM.

I also used Virtual Power for a while and switched to a PM last year - for reference, virtual power underestimated my FTP by about 20W, so a jump is not necessarily unusual.

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Strava

Have you tried doing the multiple filters on the website? You could choose VO2max then filter by duration. You could also filter it to just a couple of time frames (like 60-90 minutes).

Like this:

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CEO at TrainerRoad
Co-host of the Ask a Cycling Coach Podcast

No, not right now :(.

I dont know if they have a mass import, but we do sync with dropbox. That could make it a bit easier to upload to mapmyfitness.

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CEO at TrainerRoad
Co-host of the Ask a Cycling Coach Podcast

I don't have any data on either. It could be that the vortex is too high and the VP was too low.

I believe the vortex does a form of VirtualPower doing it's calculations with speed, resistance and roll down time.

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CEO at TrainerRoad
Co-host of the Ask a Cycling Coach Podcast

So short of getting a power meter there is really no way to tell if its accurate?
the only frame of reference I have with watts is a concept 2 rower and that isnt very relate-able.
I guess in the end as long as the numbers are consistent i dont care what their values are.

I'm not sure what the issue is. Here's what I just tested:

Test 1
- Open a ride
- Start with window not maximized
- Go to minimal
- Go back to Window
State goes back to not being maximized

Test 2
- Open a ride
- Start with window maximized
- Go to minimal
- Go back to Window
State goes back to being maximized

Are you saying that in Test 1 the end result should be a maximized window? Thanks for the feedback! :)

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CEO at TrainerRoad
Co-host of the Ask a Cycling Coach Podcast

For me, in test 2 the window won't go back to maximized.

Guys, the new update....if I have the workout in "minimal" mode, are the individual set/interval statistics supposed to still be visible anywhere? Or were those done away with in the new Beta/update? I haven't done a workout in 'normal' mode, only minimal, while watching netflix on the top part of the laptop.

EDIT/ADDITION: on one of the latest podcasts, Nate or Chad says he turns his kurt kinetic trainer (thought that was the model) 4-5x. I have an older KK Road machine model, and only turn it 2x. Am I not doing that enough? And if not, does it (the # of turns) impact FTP at all one way or another?

Thanks.

Yes, that's correct. Although to be fair power meters can differ among themselves.

As I noted earlier you can also ballpark to see if it's anywhere in range by thinking about your recent race results. For instance, 350W might be accurate if you can do the 40k in an Olympic Tri in under an hour and still run well; if you're more up around the 1:20 range, your FTP is probably not that high and the Vortex is inaccurate.

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Strava

H Nate,
After 92 pages, I feel we are on a first name basis!!!!!!
I have been a long time lurker on slow twitch and finally pulled the trigger on trainerroad. Just did the FTP test and it kicked my ass. Great program.

One small piece of feedback. I am running a wired power tap that is not ant+, so I went with the new garmin speed sensor that mounts directly to the hub and separate sensor for cadence. The suggested one on your website is the old version and not readily available on Amazon.

Just a heads up to those out there that it is a royal PITA to get that sensor around a larger power powertap hub. The band is super stretchy and got on eventually. I used the non garmin ant+ stick and everything paired right away. Super easy.

Thanks for making my winter training ride more enjoyable.

Thanks Nate - not a big worry for me, definitely more important features in TR than syncing to MMF but I was wondering if there was an easy way to do so.

I didnt think of the DropBox way of doing it....that will definitely be easier than first exporting manually from TR and then importing into MMF - thanks for the tip.

Yes, I'm pretty sure it was Nate that said he turns the roller tension knob 5X on his Kurt Kinetic Road Machine. It caught my attention because I use the same trainer and only tighten it 3x and this feels pretty tight, especially cranking on that tiny little knob. The manufacturer guidelines state 3-5 full turns after initial contact of the roller with the tyre so you could consider doing it up a bit tighter if you're experiencing any tyre slippage.

The roller tension will impact your Virtual Power (more tension = more resistance at given wheel speed) but this is only one of many factors (e.g. tyre choice, tyre pressure, ambient temp...) that will be affecting it. As everyone says, the numbers themselves don't matter too much, it's making sure that your setup is consistent between workouts so if you do change setup I'd do it just before an FTP test, so that you have accurate values for the new setup.

I chatted with Coach Chad a bit about this and there's no issue with swapping those two runs around - short/fast on Sunday, and long on Wednesday.

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Professional Mountain Biker and Community Manager at TrainerRoad - Cycling's Most Effective Training Tool

Could you send in an email to support@trainerroad.com with this info please? Let us know what resolution you're at and what version of windows.

Thanks!

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CEO at TrainerRoad
Co-host of the Ask a Cycling Coach Podcast

That's not there but on the list to add. We missed it and it's annoying to not have it.

If you're at 2x I would just keep it there. Consistency is king.

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CEO at TrainerRoad
Co-host of the Ask a Cycling Coach Podcast

Thanks for this! We're updating out site today.

We're thinking about recommending the Wahoo ANT/BT speed/cadence sensor for ANT users: http://www.amazon.com/...oo+ant+speed+cadence

For BT users the Scosche one: http://www.amazon.com/...rds=bt+speed+cadence

The Wahoo one is $60. The Scosche one is $17.

There doesn't seem to be a less expensive ANT+ only speed/cadence sensor available.

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CEO at TrainerRoad
Co-host of the Ask a Cycling Coach Podcast

No I haven't done that, didn't even see that, missed it completely. Sorry.

Thanks for pointing it out.

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Brian Stover USAT LII
Accelerate3 Coaching
Insta

What would be really good is if the Trainerroad Windows desktop application included an advanced spindown calibration for those of us that own Kickr's and don't have an ios device to get our Kickr's calibrated right if we're unlucky enough that the regular spindown doesn't calibrate correctly.

BTW with the Beta version I pretty much get a spindown failed message every time I try to do a spindown. It still does the spindown but you don't get the option to save the spindown results. I'm running Kickr Snap and Windows 10.