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Re: Did Mike Rossi (viral marathon dad) cheat his way into Boston? [ChiTownJack] [ In reply to ]
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ChiTownJack wrote:
vancity wrote:
letsrun came out with this article today.

http://www.letsrun.com/...ting-line-in-boston/

wow, where do people get the time to do that much research?

This video of 200 runners at a photo checkpoint must have taken forever..
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Agree, the amount of time and effort put forth to present this is staggering; hate to say that it puts some of the twitch hunts here in the past to shame. ; ). It does provide evidence though of this guy not being on the course as he claims, and if he has proof ( which I doubt) then he should show it.



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Re: Did Mike Rossi (viral marathon dad) cheat his way into Boston? [K-DUB] [ In reply to ]
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After a preponderance of the evidence, mayhaps I was wrong. This guy cheated. I stand behind the statement that I think it's possible for a 21 min 5k guy to run a 3:11 marathon, but Occam's Razor logic prevails here.

There are many people who can break 20 mins in a 5K that can't run a 3:11 marathon. On the other hand, I would be willing to bet that anyone who can run a 3:11 marathon can break 20 mins for a 5K.
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Re: Did Mike Rossi (viral marathon dad) cheat his way into Boston? [craigj532] [ In reply to ]
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craigj532 wrote:
K-DUB wrote:
After a preponderance of the evidence, mayhaps I was wrong. This guy cheated. I stand behind the statement that I think it's possible for a 21 min 5k guy to run a 3:11 marathon, but Occam's Razor logic prevails here.


There are many people who can break 20 mins in a 5K that can't run a 3:11 marathon. On the other hand, I would be willing to bet that anyone who can run a 3:11 marathon can break 20 mins for a 5K.

I had to read the three times to wrap my simple mind around the statement, but I think you're probably pretty spot on with that ...and I bet a little trolling on athlinks could pretty much verify it.

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Re: Did Mike Rossi (viral marathon dad) cheat his way into Boston? [craigj532] [ In reply to ]
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craigj532 wrote:
K-DUB wrote:
After a preponderance of the evidence, mayhaps I was wrong. This guy cheated. I stand behind the statement that I think it's possible for a 21 min 5k guy to run a 3:11 marathon, but Occam's Razor logic prevails here.


There are many people who can break 20 mins in a 5K that can't run a 3:11 marathon. On the other hand, I would be willing to bet that anyone who can run a 3:11 marathon can break 20 mins for a 5K.
This. Sub-20 5K would be easy for me, a 3:11 marathon is unfathomable to me. I'm about the same age as Mike Rossi.
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Re: Did Mike Rossi (viral marathon dad) cheat his way into Boston? [DJRed] [ In reply to ]
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DJRed wrote:

I am 5 years younger than him and have a much better history of quality runs both in training and races. I have not broken 20:00 as an adult.

I say 20:00 is safe.

I would say that's exactly why it isn't as safe as the 3:25 marathon. If he hasn't really put much effort and training into a 21:50 5k, 6 months of effort and training may be worth 2:00.

I personally favor shorter runs (and training reflects that) but FWIW the same time I was training for about 3:45 I could knock out a sub 20 5k with no real problem.
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Re: Did Mike Rossi (viral marathon dad) cheat his way into Boston? [chris948] [ In reply to ]
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I am 46 years old. These are my PRs.

5K: 20:08. (April 2015)
Half Marathon: 1:27:59 (October, 2014)
Marathon: 3:10:36 (May 2015) (my first, and only stand alone marathon outside of Ironman races). I qualified for Boston with this race.

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Re: Did Mike Rossi (viral marathon dad) cheat his way into Boston? [DeVinci13] [ In reply to ]
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That's pretty awesome. I did the Peachtree in 39:46 this year and my 5k time was 18:44...and I still don't think I can do a 3:11 right now and I'm 39.
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Re: Did Mike Rossi (viral marathon dad) cheat his way into Boston? [TriathlonJoe] [ In reply to ]
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TriathlonJoe wrote:
That's pretty awesome. I did the Peachtree in 39:46 this year and my 5k time was 18:44...and I still don't think I can do a 3:11 right now and I'm 39.

If you can do an 18:44 5K, with some diligent training you should be able to go well under 3:11.

I've never broken 19:00 for a 5K but I did a 3:02 at the marathon this year at age 44. Of course, as the race gets longer, your results become much more dependent on your ability to embrace the suck for the last few miles (versus embracing the suck of running 6:00 miles right from the start.....) And yes, I recognize that I should be able to break 19:00 for the 5K. Looks like I had better sign up for one and lower that PR while I'm still young :)

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Re: Did Mike Rossi (viral marathon dad) cheat his way into Boston? [wannabefaster] [ In reply to ]
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They just upped the ante - Update on 7/17/2015: We will pay him $100,000 if he runs 3:11:45 on a legitimate records-eligible course in the next 12 months where we have advanced notice of his participation ($10,000 per year for 10 years). A media outlet interviewed us today and asked about how the 3:25 challenge came about and we said, “We tried to come up with a time that was at least theoretically possible to preemptively rule out his excuse of, ‘I can’t be expected to have the race of my life once again.'”

http://www.letsrun.com/...ting-line-in-boston/

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Re: Did Mike Rossi (viral marathon dad) cheat his way into Boston? [DeVinci13] [ In reply to ]
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DeVinci13 wrote:
I am 46 years old. These are my PRs.

5K: 20:08. (April 2015)
Half Marathon: 1:27:59 (October, 2014)
Marathon: 3:10:36 (May 2015) (my first, and only stand alone marathon outside of Ironman races). I qualified for Boston with this race.

Yes. But where did you cut the course? :)
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Re: Did Mike Rossi (viral marathon dad) cheat his way into Boston? [wannabefaster] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks for the words of encouragement. I think my biggest problem is the fact that I was preparing for triathlon season at the same time as I was trying to prepare for a marathon. I'm going to shoot for a BQ hopefully by the end of the year.
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Re: Did Mike Rossi (viral marathon dad) cheat his way into Boston? [tonythetriguy] [ In reply to ]
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They just upped the ante - Update on 7/17/2015: We will pay him $100,000 if he runs 3:11:45 on a legitimate records-eligible course in the next 12 months where we have advanced notice of his participation ($10,000 per year for 10 years). A media outlet interviewed us today and asked about how the 3:25 challenge came about and we said, “We tried to come up with a time that was at least theoretically possible to preemptively rule out his excuse of, ‘I can’t be expected to have the race of my life once again.'”

http://www.letsrun.com/...ting-line-in-boston/

Wow

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Re: Did Mike Rossi (viral marathon dad) cheat his way into Boston? [tonythetriguy] [ In reply to ]
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Wow, talking about putting their money where their mouth is.

I'll never understand these people who cheat and then vehemently deny it despite mounting evidence against them, whether famous (Lance, Clemens etc) or the age-groupers who have been featured here over the years (FinMan, T3 girl, this guy). I remember waiting in the corral at the start of the Disney Marathon a few years back and two guys next to me were talking about cutting a small out-and-back portion around mile 20 of the race; not sure if they actually did it since they weren't near me when I went through that spot, but I did laugh to myself when I saw that they had timing mats in place on that section.



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Re: Did Mike Rossi (viral marathon dad) cheat his way into Boston? [h2ofun] [ In reply to ]
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h2ofun wrote:
tonythetriguy wrote:
They just upped the ante - Update on 7/17/2015: We will pay him $100,000 if he runs 3:11:45 on a legitimate records-eligible course in the next 12 months where we have advanced notice of his participation ($10,000 per year for 10 years). A media outlet interviewed us today and asked about how the 3:25 challenge came about and we said, “We tried to come up with a time that was at least theoretically possible to preemptively rule out his excuse of, ‘I can’t be expected to have the race of my life once again.'”

http://www.letsrun.com/...ting-line-in-boston/


Wow

+1. This confirms cheating if he doesn't accept that challenge. Go to St. George, train 12 months, easy squeezy if he actually did it already.

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Re: Did Mike Rossi (viral marathon dad) cheat his way into Boston? [K-DUB] [ In reply to ]
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I know what Mike Rossi is asking himself right now......

"OK, what fast runner do I know that looks sort of like me and will be a dead ringer for me with some
plastic surgery? And do I know a plastic surgeon who will take installment payments over the next 10 years?"

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do that thing.
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Re: Did Mike Rossi (viral marathon dad) cheat his way into Boston? [tonythetriguy] [ In reply to ]
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They just upped the ante - Update on 7/17/2015: We will pay him $100,000 if he runs 3:11:45 on a legitimate records-eligible course in the next 12 months where we have advanced notice of his participation ($10,000 per year for 10 years). A media outlet interviewed us today and asked about how the 3:25 challenge came about and we said, “We tried to come up with a time that was at least theoretically possible to preemptively rule out his excuse of, ‘I can’t be expected to have the race of my life once again.'”

http://www.letsrun.com/...ting-line-in-boston/

But the 3:11:45 is his once in a lifetime run. Why not get to 3:25 to see if he can actually run that fast? Can he actually qualify for real?
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Re: Did Mike Rossi (viral marathon dad) cheat his way into Boston? [johnnybefit] [ In reply to ]
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They're offering him $10k if he can break 3:25. $100k if he can repeat his time.
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Re: Did Mike Rossi (viral marathon dad) cheat his way into Boston? [timbasile] [ In reply to ]
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timbasile wrote:
They're offering him $10k if he can break 3:25. $100k if he can repeat his time.

have they heard back from him?

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Re: Did Mike Rossi (viral marathon dad) cheat his way into Boston? [K-DUB] [ In reply to ]
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K-DUB wrote:
h2ofun wrote:
tonythetriguy wrote:
They just upped the ante - Update on 7/17/2015: We will pay him $100,000 if he runs 3:11:45 on a legitimate records-eligible course in the next 12 months where we have advanced notice of his participation ($10,000 per year for 10 years). A media outlet interviewed us today and asked about how the 3:25 challenge came about and we said, “We tried to come up with a time that was at least theoretically possible to preemptively rule out his excuse of, ‘I can’t be expected to have the race of my life once again.'”

http://www.letsrun.com/...ting-line-in-boston/


Wow


+1. This confirms cheating if he doesn't accept that challenge. Go to St. George, train 12 months, easy squeezy if he actually did it already.

You think they would pay out if I change my name to Mike Rossi and run the time? I can run the time (with a bit more training) and for that much money, well, it could be worth it. :-)

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Re: Did Mike Rossi (viral marathon dad) cheat his way into Boston? [TriathlonJoe] [ In reply to ]
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I was on my way to a PR at the peachtree this year and right when i get to the top of cardiac hill what do i see....

The damn Sweetwater beer truck - PR gone, but i added a few pints and it was glorious.

Great time for you btw
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Re: Did Mike Rossi (viral marathon dad) cheat his way into Boston? [Lock_N_Load] [ In reply to ]
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IIRC there is another Mike Rossi, working in radio, geographically close to this guy (same town? or one over), runner, same AG (or 10 years older?) and faster than this guy. HE should be the body double. :)

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Re: Did Mike Rossi (viral marathon dad) cheat his way into Boston? [pattersonpaul] [ In reply to ]
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With 100k on the line, if I were him, I'd be tempted to take an extended leave of absence, hire a coach, and train semi-professionally.
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Re: Did Mike Rossi (viral marathon dad) cheat his way into Boston? [tonythetriguy] [ In reply to ]
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tonythetriguy wrote:
They just upped the ante - Update on 7/17/2015: We will pay him $100,000 if he runs 3:11:45 on a legitimate records-eligible course in the next 12 months where we have advanced notice of his participation ($10,000 per year for 10 years). A media outlet interviewed us today and asked about how the 3:25 challenge came about and we said, “We tried to come up with a time that was at least theoretically possible to preemptively rule out his excuse of, ‘I can’t be expected to have the race of my life once again.'”

http://www.letsrun.com/...ting-line-in-boston/

I love it. The only thing I wish they'd do differently is offer the money to a charity of his choosing. They'll give a cheat 100k, but only $1k to charity if he admits to cheating. I'd rather see it the other way around and if he wants to repair his image, maybe coming clean to benefit a cause for $100k would be the best thing at this point.
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Re: Did Mike Rossi (viral marathon dad) cheat his way into Boston? [timbasile] [ In reply to ]
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timbasile wrote:
They're offering him $10k if he can break 3:25. $100k if he can repeat his time.

Ohh..sorry about that.
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Re: Did Mike Rossi (viral marathon dad) cheat his way into Boston? [Economist] [ In reply to ]
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Well, if he runs sub 20 when he shows up for his $10k I sincerely hope Lets Run says "Ha, good luck collecting. Now YOU know how it feels to be cheated."
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