Who said anything about "the children"? Oh, right....no one. That said, I'm guessing that the next guy in line who got screwed over by Rossi cares.....

And clearly BAA suffers from having too few races that want to be a BQ race.

You wanna make the case that timing mats for smaller marathon's are overkill, I'm open to that discussion. But if you are gonna hold out your event as the pinnacle of the sport, yeah, I'm thinking you should take the extra step.

YMMV....and it seems it does.

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They don't hold it out as "the pinnacle of the sport". That's your straw man. They hold it out as a great marathon one of the nations greatest, which it remains, the Mike Rossis of the world notwithstanding.

The simple fact is, it's a significant added chore for them that gives them zero benefit. In case you haven't noticed, they're not exactly hurting for runners. Boston has had cheaters since long before Rosie Ruiz and yet here it is bigger and better than ever.

Perhaps the BAA just thinks that most runners are not sociopathic enough to go to all that trouble to cheat in order to get themselves a Boston number. They must not read Slowtwitch

From http://www.baa.org/...fying-standards.aspx :

"Only a certified full marathon distance will be accepted for qualifying. Distances shorter than a full marathon will not be accepted."

"The Boston Marathon does not designate which races are official Boston Qualifying events. You must contact the race directly to see if they are certified."

^^^^This.

GoPros are cheap. Most runners would like to have a video of themselves in the race. If you miss the timing mats or your finish time seems too good to be true, just point yourself out on the video and it's all good.

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1) You need to look up the definition of "srawman."

2) Seems the RD of this particular race agrees that intermediate mats are important. They are adding them for this years race.

Carry on....

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I don't have any problem with him taking the kids. We take our kids out of school all the time for a weekend trip. Those absences are unexcused. If you (the parent) have any touch with reality, you know this in advance. We usually just get a phone call, but I wouldn't have any problem with getting a similar letter from the principal. I do have a problem with his self-absorbed response and desperate burn for more attention.

One of the most epic internet burn threads of all time.

On par with Kate's hoof thread and subsequent stalking in WoW imho ;)

Name wasn't doing it for me.. but I searched yup read it way back then as well, don't think all of it though.

Which felony is worse?

Cheating / faking a BQ time ...

... or working at a Country radio station?

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Yasso? Lehigh Valley? Yeah, I'm willing to bet he's related to Bart Yasso in some way

And he's kinda respected by Runners, y'know

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That's nice for that a race is adding them. I always like seeing my splits after the fact. Plus leaves the burden of results verification where it belongs. I suspect the BAA is going to soldier on without performing "mat verification". Remain stunned.

This is so great for me. I can run (PR) a 22 flat 5K. I can knock 8 more seconds off, do some distance training, and qualify for Boston. Right. Seriously, there's just no way. If I was training for a marathon, I'd be shooting for 3:45ish.

Anything 'country' is worse.

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What if you had a choice between a country station and one that had Nickelback on its playlist rotation?

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His station is probably "pop" country which is even worse.

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FWIW, I'm pretty sure that my BQ time didn't have timing mats. or timing anythin, other than a clock. (I've qualified more than once but this was the only time that I used a BQ time to actually register for and run Boston).
But it's a tiny marathon, I don't think that there was chip anything or electric anything. It wouldn't surprise me if there was someone on the course with a pen and a clipboard, though I don't specifically remember.

I do think that for little races like that, they lose something if they aren't Boston qualifiers. But then, they are easy to cheat at. So someone loses out somehow...

assuming that's the guy who claimed something was new when it wasn't and then the whole community figured out who he was and where he lived? even i know about that and i'm an effete urban public transit and bike commute guy. but yeah, that was a funny and epic thread.

You know, I looked at the pictures and thought the LRC crowd got this wrong, too. It seemed obvious that his shirt was wet. But then I looked a little closer. Go here and search for Rossi's name and you can see those finish line only photos. In particular, use the zoom feature on the fourth one. There entire side of his shirt is dry all the way up to his armpits. His sleeves are dry as well. You can see the same thing from the other side just as he goes out of frame in the finish line video. Who runs 3:11 in 70 degree weather with high humidity and comes across the line with dry armpits?

Just one more thing to add:
when the whole Paul-Ryan-lied-about-his-marathon-time story broke out, I was talking with a friend who's a reporter about this. His comment was something like, 'I'm very impressed with this crowdsourcing." this from a guy with a lot of experience covering politics, buisiness, etc.
And yeah, it's true - the running community will find you and will track you down if they think you cheated or misrepresented your accomplishments. much easier to lie about money or sex.

Also, for any fans of the tv show The Goldbergs, this is pretty much the same neighborhood - though the Goldbergs went to private school, not the public school that wrote to the Rossis.

For the life of me, I cannot understand how anyone could cheat like this, brag about it and then think they will get away with it.
I have seen a AGer at worlds Germany cut the bike course loops, take an award at the medal ceremony, brag to his countries newspapers,
and then nailed by USAT TeamUSA. So the same thing from a guy trying to do at Edmonton worlds this year. Just will never understand.

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All BQ must now be done on the track with a timing mat and have each lap filmed. Forgot a qualifying time, running 104+ laps on the track is good enough to me!

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Oh my. You're screwed.

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It seems odd to me that he is breaking his PR by 30 minutes and running a BQ and yet he can't manage to raise his head at the finish? I think most of us would be pretty stoked coming across the finish with such a breakthrough run?