Psychological markers can be mapped and codified to produce strong evidence. That you think it is nonsense is exactly my point. We cannot agree what objective evidence is. And this is why the Rossi's think they can get away with it and usually fail to do so.

His previous race times are "objective" evidence. The lack of photos of him on course is objective evidence. His inability to provide any data consistent with his BQ time is objective evidence. (Yes, it is circumstantial evidence, but still "objective". They are facts.)

Conjecture re: behavior is certainly not objective evidence....now, if you want to get a behavioral expert to testify that his actions are consistent with someone who is perpetrating fraud, you can call that evidence, but still not "objective". A bunch of people on the interwebs interpreting his actions? Conjecture and supposition.

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At LV Marathon, he may have changed his clothing, but he hid his face under the brim of his hat when he crossed the line with an apparent BQ effort. Where is the extensive documentation you speak of form the egomaniac? There isn't any. He apparently barely mentions the run of his life in any of his social media accounts, no pictures of his medal afterwards, zero.

Also it was hot and humid during that event and there is no way you could cross the finish with a dry shirt.

this will actually hang him, as then there will be exact times that he would have passed the photographers, whose rolls of film are time stamped, and can also be correlated to other runners' time splits.

Unless he has statements from ALL the photographers that say they all happened to go on a potty break at the exact time he passed (w/ a corresponding break in photographic coverage at that photo point), then he is better off keeping GPS data to himself.

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this is curious to me.... I'm guessing he actually DOES have run splits because he had someone else run the course for him, bandit with no bib. If we had those splits, we could search the photos for false negatives, ie. a runner with no bib, which I don't think Let's Run has been doing.

As for the change of clothes, how do we know he did that?

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Depends on the cameras. I been to races where they are automatic, and others using live video.

If he was not guilty, clearly, he would have data, as folks have stated, to show and tell folks to shut up. But silence is all the data most will need to know what he really did.

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so from the lets run thread, there are cameras taking what is essentially time stamped time lapse video at known points on the course. A GPS would affix the cheater to a certain point at a certain time which can be easily referenced for his presence or lack of.

the camera thing has been exhaustively covered on Let's Run. It is actually the only real evidence that he didn't run the race.

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Well that is reasonable, why are we all accusing this poor man of cheating, he has GPS proof to back it up. This is a man that enjoys his privacy and would never share this sort of information on a social network.

it's not like he purchased promoted tweets to advertise his garmin data... let's give the guy a break and leave this humble privacy-loving American alone.

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You really convict people based on silence? You are silent quite often, does that mean you are guilty as charged?

We don't know that. Some supporters or sympathizer use that for a reason his shirt and shorts were void of any sweat or wetness. I find it inconceivable that a guy can run nearly as fast as his 5k PR for 26.2 miles on a hot and humid day, wearing all black and a black hat and have no visible signs of sweating. On hot and humid days after a short run, my clothes will be completely soaked and sticking to my body (not a pretty sight I imagine), but he seems to manage crossing the line completely dry.

Should have been PINK

No, his sarcasm came through loud and clear without the stupid pink font.

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How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

Maybe he is zen and hasn't upgraded to a wifi enabled sun dial yet?


I know he was seen with a GPS watch and I know there is most likely damning data, but with the amount of people on this forum who claim they don't workout with gps or power or whatever since they "know their body", he doesn't HAVE to have anything ( think it does but doesn't have to)

Orrrrrrrr ... He was too hurt to run the Lehigh marathon and asked a healthy friend, who could [probably BQ it but wasn't entered], to use his bib & run it for him

Friend then realizes he's not up to it, and decides [on his own] to cheat on the course, covering his face at the finish line so he does get outed as NOT being Rossi

Later, Rossi finds out from his friend that he did get the BQ for him, but he cheated to do so

Rossi, therefore can't out his friend for cheating in Lehigh, because he'd be also saying that he had a different cheat plan in place, and his buddy went rogue on him

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This guy is 52 years old, so starting to get a little past his prime. Has anybody considered the possibility that he decided to switch to power cranks for his Lehigh Valley training? I hear the benefits for older athletes can be tremendous! So maybe, just maybe after all those "slow" pre-qualification races he got frustrated and decided to take it to the next level with power cranks.

I bet he was framed. Probably by someone who hates America and Country music. I'd look at ISIS.

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REALLY?

Next I suppose you'll say he was abducted by an alien spacecraft, anally probed and placed 26 miles further down the coarse. He hid his face because he was embarrassed by the probing, or possible tried to hid the smile on his face.

I got a giggle out of the jump to alien abduction. I've often wondered, though: If aliens have the technology to fly millions of miles to visit us, can't they come up with something better than sticking things up our asses?

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Nope. Not at all.



They probably could, but they get a laugh out of it doing it that way

"Look!!! I made it jump!!!"
"Betcha can't get it all the way in"
"I'd use a 4 iron on this hole"

... And so on ...

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That's outstanding!

It wasn't dry, he was soaked. Otherwise, carry on.

I agree...when I was planning on running a 2:50 marathon, my 10-mile training pace would be 6 to 6:10 (if not sub 6) for a tempo run.

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While I think the guy is a cheater I can relate to race history not necessarily being indicative of performance. For example, my 5k PR is a dismal 23:00 run on Oct 4 last year. Two weeks later I ran a half in 1:37. Luckily for me I have GPS data to back it all up.

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I think you nailed it!