Re: **2018 TdF** Spoiler Alerts [Carl Spackler] [ In reply to ]

Jul 14, 18 15:16

Post #151 of 687 (2669 views)

Gaviria's antics are really getting to me. Dude needs to simmer down a few notches

I say GvA just go for it tomorrow. Dude is looking for a contract and has put his faith in the team by not linking up with anyone before hand. I don't think a stint in yellow will help his cause, but a stage win on a classics-type stage will (either attracting other teams or attracting a sponsor).

Call the winner for tomorrow now:

GvA, Sagan, Terpstra
Stuyven and Vanmarcke

I'd be happy to see Vanmarcke finally win something on the cobbles six years after his last cobbled victory

Re: **2018 TdF** Spoiler Alerts [Ron_Burgundy] [ In reply to ]

Jul 14, 18 15:41

Post #152 of 687 (2661 views)

Ron_Burgundy wrote:

Jason N wrote:

Wow...Looked like Gaviria had enough pop to win and pounce on Sagan going too early to gain massive points if Griepel hadn’t closed him off, but in the end I guess Sagan is the one who gains 30 points on Gaviria.

Maybe a little bit of retribution to Sagan for last years ruling against him?

Interesting to see Sagan not lock on Gaviria in the final 500. Gaviria was too far back just like yesterday, but Sagan seemed impatient. Which is unusual.

I felt like Griepel should have been entitled to his line. He wants Sagan’s slipstream, and given his position over Gaviria at the time, it should be his to claim.

Sagan did not have a choice, QS final leadout man pulled off and Sagan is on the front with 250 to go, not much of a choice at that point. Did not notice wind direction in the sprint, might have been a cross/head?

I think Greipel was fine overall after rewatching the sprint, not a perfect line but no clear drastic movement with clear danger, Gaviria should get the relegation per rules.

I thing Greipel got relegation for a different infraction than his tussle with Gaviria.

I’ve going with Calmejane or Fuglsang for the breakaway succeeding in a win tomorrow.

Looks like Tony Martin is out with broken vertebrae too.

Re: **2018 TdF** Spoiler Alerts [echappist] [ In reply to ]

Jul 14, 18 16:06

Post #153 of 687 (2648 views)

Sagan, GvA, Gilbert
Degenkolb, Terpstra

Re: **2018 TdF** Spoiler Alerts [Ron_Burgundy] [ In reply to ]

Jul 14, 18 16:57

Post #154 of 687 (2621 views)

Ron_Burgundy wrote:

Jason N wrote:

Wow...Looked like Gaviria had enough pop to win and pounce on Sagan going too early to gain massive points if Griepel hadn’t closed him off, but in the end I guess Sagan is the one who gains 30 points on Gaviria.

Maybe a little bit of retribution to Sagan for last years ruling against him?

Interesting to see Sagan not lock on Gaviria in the final 500. Gaviria was too far back just like yesterday, but Sagan seemed impatient. Which is unusual.

I felt like Griepel should have been entitled to his line. He wants Sagan’s slipstream, and given his position over Gaviria at the time, it should be his to claim.

Sagan did not have a choice, QS final leadout man pulled off and Sagan is on the front with 250 to go, not much of a choice at that point. Did not notice wind direction in the sprint, might have been a cross/head?

I think Greipel was fine overall after rewatching the sprint, not a perfect line but no clear drastic movement with clear danger, Gaviria should get the relegation per rules.

Right, but what was Sagan doing in that position? His trademark is to follow the wheel of the favorite and either stay in the slipstream for a high finish, or come around if he can. He went away from that bread and butter, which I think had to do with the fact Gaviria was hanging so far back instead of 3rd or 4th wheel. I suppose if Sagan gets the setup wrong only 10% of the time, that’s still pretty darn good.

I think tomorrow is going to highly depend on what type of GC splits are made and who is motivated to keep the pressure on to expand or close those GC gaps while not contending for the stage. So hard to predict as there are multiple motives compared to a 1 day classic.

Re: **2018 TdF** Spoiler Alerts [Jason N] [ In reply to ]

Jul 14, 18 17:01

Post #155 of 687 (2617 views)

For my laziness, and or to continue the discussion, where in relation to the stage start/finish is all the pave sectors? Is this a back half of stage fireworks only type of setup?

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Re: **2018 TdF** Spoiler Alerts [B_Doughtie] [ In reply to ]

Jul 14, 18 17:06

Post #156 of 687 (2613 views)

Profile of stage 9 with the pave sectors. They'll hit the first sector around 4:45 - 5am pacific. I'm waking up early for this one.

Re: **2018 TdF** Spoiler Alerts [Ken] [ In reply to ]

Jul 14, 18 17:23

Post #157 of 687 (2598 views)

Thank you.....I hope this breaks up the race, just for the duleness that I think Sky/Froome has put on the Tour over the past few years (yes I know he's bringing in more fatigue from the Giro). I like it, and it seems it gives the other rides some "pop" beyond just the normal sprinter stages.

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Re: **2018 TdF** Spoiler Alerts [echappist] [ In reply to ]

Jul 14, 18 17:25

Post #158 of 687 (2595 views)

echappist wrote:

I'd be happy to see Vanmarcke finally win something on the cobbles six years after his last cobbled victory

I'm hoping it's a GT domestique big day out tomorrow, like the caddie's pool scene at Bushwood. These one day guys never get a real shot at a GT stage.

I'm going with Sep, Theuns, Lampaert. Gaudin? Hayman?

Why wouldn't these guys target this stage? Stuyven too. Benoot? Sep should be fresh.

QS- we know they're looking to kill it. Who will they put in the break? Yves L I guess. It comes back then PG goes, etc.

The make up of the break will be interesting. Teams with great one day guys with no reason to stay back. I can't see any other way this will play out. Wouldn't BMC be the only team to really chase to maybe keep yellow? If the break is stacked, it could stick.
What am I missing here?

It's been a hard first third of the tour.

Re: **2018 TdF** Spoiler Alerts [McNulty] [ In reply to ]

Jul 14, 18 17:30

Post #159 of 687 (2589 views)

McNulty wrote:

echappist wrote:

I'd be happy to see Vanmarcke finally win something on the cobbles six years after his last cobbled victory

I'm hoping it's a GT domestique big day out tomorrow, like the caddie's pool scene at Bushwood. These one day guys never get a real shot at a GT stage.

I'm going with Sep, Theuns, Lampaert. Gaudin? Hayman?

Why wouldn't these guys target this stage? Stuyven too. Benoot? Sep should be fresh.

QS- we know they're looking to kill it. Who will they put in the break? Yves L I guess. It comes back then PG goes, etc.

The make up of the break will be interesting. Teams with great one day guys with no reason to stay back. I can't see any other way this will play out. Wouldn't BMC be the only team to really chase to maybe keep yellow? If the break is stacked, it could stick.
What am I missing here?

It's been a hard first third of the tour.

I hope Sep has a good result. BTW, Benoot abandoned a few stages back.

Re: **2018 TdF** Spoiler Alerts [Carl Spackler] [ In reply to ]

Jul 14, 18 17:40

Post #160 of 687 (2586 views)

Carl Spackler wrote:

Also appears that Gaviria does best with a proper leadout while Groenwegen is better at dealing with a messy sprint, like Sagan.

I'm not sure Groenwegen has the choice to try a proper leadout. I don't think his instructions to the team are, "OK guys I want you to sort of out peter out and drift backwards without about 500m to go to so we don't create any sort of organized finale. Whatever you do, avoid trying to get on even terms with Richeze."

Re: **2018 TdF** Spoiler Alerts [turdburgler] [ In reply to ]

Jul 14, 18 19:04

Post #161 of 687 (2561 views)

Sep says he’s committed to helping Uran so maybe it’s a matter of how stage unfolds. Phinney is there too.

Re: **2018 TdF** Spoiler Alerts [McNulty] [ In reply to ]

Jul 14, 18 19:31

Post #162 of 687 (2542 views)

gaviria appeared to be shouldering on his rear quarter, didnt understand why he was wasting time and energy executing that manuever, but still had plenty left to vault himself forward afterward. seemed gaviria was trying to make a point vs smartest tactic for a result

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Re: **2018 TdF** Spoiler Alerts [Carl Spackler] [ In reply to ]

Jul 14, 18 21:39

Post #163 of 687 (2508 views)

Carl Spackler wrote:

Sep says he’s committed to helping Uran so maybe it’s a matter of how stage unfolds. Phinney is there too.

Very unlikely Sep will be in the running for a win, it’s all about keeping Uran with the other GC contenders. But you never know how the race unfolds. He’s riding strong though, he should have an excellent race, just hopefully not in the background.

Re: **2018 TdF** Spoiler Alerts [McNulty] [ In reply to ]

Jul 14, 18 21:44

Post #164 of 687 (2505 views)

McNulty wrote:

echappist wrote:

I'd be happy to see Vanmarcke finally win something on the cobbles six years after his last cobbled victory

I'm hoping it's a GT domestique big day out tomorrow, like the caddie's pool scene at Bushwood. These one day guys never get a real shot at a GT stage.

I'm going with Sep, Theuns, Lampaert. Gaudin? Hayman?

Why wouldn't these guys target this stage? Stuyven too. Benoot? Sep should be fresh.

QS- we know they're looking to kill it. Who will they put in the break? Yves L I guess. It comes back then PG goes, etc.

The make up of the break will be interesting. Teams with great one day guys with no reason to stay back. I can't see any other way this will play out. Wouldn't BMC be the only team to really chase to maybe keep yellow? If the break is stacked, it could stick.
What am I missing here?

It's been a hard first third of the tour.

Lampaert and Gaudin are also good picks

I think in the end the cream will rise. Just like how things happened in 2010 and 2014. You have one or two GC contenders taking a few minute over the others.

Re: **2018 TdF** Spoiler Alerts [echappist] [ In reply to ]

Jul 15, 18 3:47

Post #165 of 687 (2462 views)

so Nibs then? perhaps that was his motivation for this year's classics work. he knows the not the climber of Froome and some others but he probably is the best bike handler. take a shot, hope for the best, head to the hills with a lead.

Re: **2018 TdF** Spoiler Alerts [dsmallwood] [ In reply to ]

Jul 15, 18 4:03

Post #166 of 687 (2449 views)

Shit. Porte down, collarbone, out. Damn, I feel for him. Wtf.......
Racing sucks.

Re: **2018 TdF** Spoiler Alerts [McNulty] [ In reply to ]

Jul 15, 18 4:11

Post #167 of 687 (2444 views)

aw ..... that's some shjt. life can be cruel.

Re: **2018 TdF** Spoiler Alerts [dsmallwood] [ In reply to ]

Jul 15, 18 4:20

Post #168 of 687 (2433 views)

Strong break with Gaudin and De Ghent but BMC will clearly ride as will QS. Meanwhile, SKY keeps putting money in the bank.
Sheeeeeeeeeeet.

Re: **2018 TdF** Spoiler Alerts [McNulty] [ In reply to ]

Jul 15, 18 4:40

Post #169 of 687 (2420 views)

Specialized's new Sagan commercial ... shjt, the dude is cool. and funny.

Re: **2018 TdF** Spoiler Alerts [dsmallwood] [ In reply to ]

Jul 15, 18 4:59

Post #170 of 687 (2402 views)

dsmallwood wrote:

Specialized's new Sagan commercial ... shjt, the dude is cool. and funny.

The one for the e-bike? I usually watch the ad-free Aussie version so I hadn’t seen any commercials this year until I went to watch my Dad (NBC feed). My mom has an e-bike and is oblivious to how much it helps her... we just about lost it during that ad!

Re: **2018 TdF** Spoiler Alerts [Toefuzz] [ In reply to ]

Jul 15, 18 5:11

Post #171 of 687 (2394 views)

uh, no, I hadn't seen that. HS!!!, that's funny. The guy has the best smirk ever. I wish I was cool enough to smirk like that.

I was talking about this one:

Re: **2018 TdF** Spoiler Alerts [McNulty] [ In reply to ]

Jul 15, 18 5:49

Post #172 of 687 (2365 views)

McNulty wrote:

Strong break with Gaudin and De Ghent but BMC will clearly ride as will QS. Meanwhile, SKY keeps putting money in the bank.
Sheeeeeeeeeeet.

shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiijjjjjjjjjjjjjjt partner

poor Porte... That's a small group on the front now. Watch out for Dumoulin

Re: **2018 TdF** Spoiler Alerts [echappist] [ In reply to ]

Jul 15, 18 5:53

Post #173 of 687 (2359 views)

Sky looking solid but a lot of HP not far behind.

Sucks for Porte, guy can’t catxh a break. Imagine it’s all in for GvA now.

Well, there goes my Terpsta pick

Re: **2018 TdF** Spoiler Alerts [Carl Spackler] [ In reply to ]

Jul 15, 18 5:54

Post #174 of 687 (2357 views)

Carl Spackler wrote:

Sky looking solid but a lot of HP not far behind.

Sucks for Porte, guy can’t catxh a break. Imagine it’s all in for GvA now.

Well, there goes my Terpsta pick

not many BMC riders left on the front

good job that EF is stitching this back together. one name we haven't mentioned is that of Oliver Naesen

Last edited by: echappist: Jul 15, 18 5:55

Re: **2018 TdF** Spoiler Alerts [dsmallwood] [ In reply to ]

Jul 15, 18 5:54

Post #175 of 687 (2357 views)

dsmallwood wrote:

uh, no, I hadn't seen that. HS!!!, that's funny. The guy has the best smirk ever. I wish I was cool enough to smirk like that.

I was talking about this one:

OK, that is hilarious, and in a way only one guy can actually do something like this. Thumbs up!

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