I may be wrong, but I dont think MLB players were ever part of the olympic game. I think atleast in terms of the US roster it was college and minor leaguers, if I remember correctly.

I think we're just kinda stuck with what we have. It's going to take probaly 10-15 years of "clean" riders cycling through their entire careers before cycling every can get seriously cleaned up. So essentially the generation of riders who race an entire career through the bio passport, will have the chance to take over leadership roles on teams and maybe even big wig cycling positions, then we can really see if the sport is clean. Obviously doping will always be an issue, but I think with the bio passport, atleast it's going in the right direction. I think they just need to cycle out the old guard and cycle in some new blood, and that'll just take time.

We're far more likely to see IOC step in and replace UCI as the cycling body. Maybe we'll get lucky and in the next election the existing management of UCI will get a clean sweep and folks who care about clean sport will be put in charge of UCI, but I dont count on that.

FYI Pat McQuaid head of UCI, who was a cyclist himself received a lifetime ban from the Olympics for racing in apartheid era south africa, is doing everything he can to suck up because he wants desperately to get back in olympic good graces, he's lost an election in May to be on the IOC executive committee though he is still an IOC member. Im hopefully this issue brings pressure from IOC, but if it had been announced pre olympics this year i think it would have done more

I'm 100% in favor of a clean sport, but I'm only in favor of massive AG testing if it's paid for by the majority of the AG'ers who will be the test subjects. Meaning, I think it should be the guys who are racing for the podiums, team usa, kona spots that have to pay for it. Don't put it on everyone to fund the program. Of course if you can get the entire population of members and only raise their fee's by $8 a year and have a creditable testing then that would be pretty cool. But if we are talking raising fee's by $40-$50 dollars for every USAT member, then I'd be against it. But I think even right now, technically any usat member is subject to some type of testing, *I think*.

8.2 Incorporation of Rules. It is the responsibility of each member of USA Triathlon to comply with the applicable anti-doping rules, regulations and policies of the ITU, the USOC, the IOC and the USADA, that are hereby incorporated in full by USA Triathlon. It is also the responsibility of each member of USA Triathlon to submit, without reservation or condition, to in-competition and out-of-competition doping controls conducted by either the ITU or the USADA. Out-of-competition (short notice) testing of athletes may take place at USA Triathlon elite-level camps, training sessions at USOC facilities or at other designated sites. Out of competition testing (no advance notice) testing of athletes may take place at any time for those athletes designated by USA Triathlon for inclusion in USA Triathlon's Out-of-Competition testing pool. Additional information regarding the anti-doping rules of the ITU, the USOC and the USADA, may be found at http://www.triathlon.org and http://www.usantidoping.org. Athletes may also contact the USADA Drug Reference Line at (800) 233-0393 for information on medications and other substances.

If.....you a proven doper, because you confessed, you should be suspended immediately....but instead of being suspended you are allowed to continue riding as if nothing happened...you are taking a position on a team/or a race start away from someone that is clean....adversely affecting that clean rider. How do you think the rookie rider feels that was denied a start in the Tour because one of these riders took a team spot.....that rookie might never get another chance, he may have been a contender someday, but the USADA took that day away....Its a professional sport, what have you done for us lately mentality for team selection, riders were denied the chance to do something....there were clean, why should the USADA do that to them?...what gave the USADA the right to affect clean riders this way, to have half a season, or more be poisoned by proven dopers ?...they are supposed to keep the sport clean, not assist dopers, and that they did, did G. H. not have "his day", his last race day, to be cheered as a "clean rider" as he crossed the finish, as people celebrated his "great career", which as the USADA knew was based on doping, according to their own documents released today....are you ok with that ?... because I'm not, and I'm sure a lot of people from that day, have a sour taste in their mouth from cheering him home....when he should have been suspended, the evidence was there, from his own mouth, and from others.

Yes there can be redemption, you will always have been "dirty", but only if you accept what you have done, and serve your time......David Millar is an example, 2 years, no soft 6 month "back suspension", 2 real years, with no money coming in, sleeping on couches, owned up to what he did, and lives with that "did drugs" label, worked damn hard to come back clean.....but not these guys, not if they get a 6 month backdated suspension, carry on next year, as suggested......it stinks, its not fair.

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The haters will hate, the supporters will support, and only a few will change opinions. The hammering on the FB page is mostly the people that were haters or marginally so already.

John

Do what they have done since the sanctions have been announced. Keep Lance off the start line, and lol hope like hell Lance/Livestrong dont start a "Livestrong" foundation series of triathlon races.

2000, 2004 and 2008 pro's were allowed for baseball.

I guess baseball used to be an olympic sport and was during some of the 7 time wins? And this isn't a pro or against argument for Lance...

I would argue that baseball had a systematic steroid and hgh problem for years and was complicit during that time until congress put pressure on baseball to do something.

I'm 100% in favor of a clean sport, but I'm only in favor of massive AG testing if it's paid for by the majority of the AG'ers who will be the test subjects. Meaning, I think it should be the guys who are racing for the podiums, team usa, kona spots that have to pay for it. Don't put it on everyone to fund the program. Of course if you can get the entire population of members and only raise their fee's by $8 a year and have a creditable testing then that would be pretty cool. But if we are talking raising fee's by $40-$50 dollars for every USAT member, then I'd be against it. But I think even right now, technically any usat member is subject to some type of testing, *I think*.

Aaaaand, I would bet that quite a few still do. The biggest hypocritical statement of the year was Melky Cabrera (sp) saying "Please take my name out of the batting title consideration, I don't want to win it tainted", but you can be damned sure he would have welcomed the award (And likely a fat contract bonus) if he hadn't tested positive. And I believe when Jacques Rogge was interviewed, he said WADA compliance was one of the criteria for which it might be allowed back in. (Oh, and baseball was official first in 1992 through 2008, so for all of LA's tenure).

John

Seriously, as long as there were a few busts, I don't think they'd need to *test* that many samples to be an effective deterrent for AGers. Collect a lot pee and test just enough to be credible.