Yeah, that should've been in pink. Sarcasm, like jokes, is much funnier when you have to explain it.

I see what you did there.

wow, was that meta-sarcasm?

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I'm obviously obtuse this morning, missed it completely.

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Read eganski's post and learn ;-)

 
>WTC will fire the USADA in their role as doping authority inasmuch as they have admitted as part of the Armstrong case they cannot provide an analytical positive.

In USADA terms a non-analytical positive carries exactly the same weight as an analytical positive. They've been around for a long time. Lance is far from the first. And USADA produced a pretty clear non-analytical positive. So clear that I'd weigh it far higher than a single positive drug test, given the documented uncertainties and failure conditions endemic to drug testing. Putting more weight on the "analytical positive" as if it passed some higher threshold is either misunderstanding or "spin."

>Lance Armstrong will be allowed to race after a legitimate suspension that may actually be long enough to keep him from being a real factor an competitions.

I'll bet money that Lance never again races WTC.

I admit this is my hope, more than insider knowledge, but I like to think that WTC is more concerned about long-term integrity than a possible short-term paycheck.

FTR, the IOC is next on the list and is looking at whether Lance should be stripped of his bronze medal in the Sydney TT.

Fabian:

"Today riders are again paying the price for what went wrong six or seven years ago. That's not fair. Lance has ensured that the early years of my career were wasted years. I hope that this time is finally behind us. It will not happen immediately, it takes time but it should happen.�
The Swiss rider continued by saying that he was hopeful the times were changing for the better. "Now I understand how US Postal was able to put eight or nine riders in the front on a mountain stage and drop all the others. In the 'golden years' it was all very simple, it was 'training and loading, training and loading. 'Loading', that's the term the riders use when they talk about doping. Nowadays, we work differently, more professionally, with more attention to detail. That's the cycling I believe in, not 'training and loading'. It's changed."

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I wish I could believe him...

Francois wrote:

I wish I could believe him...

ditto

me too but to say something like that u better no have any skeletons in the closet...

I would like LA saying EVERYTHING about everybody... that will PRICELESS!

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The entire event (IM) is like "death by 1000 cuts" and the best race is minimizing all those cuts and losing less blood than the other guy. - Dev

he's saying that the Posties took all the best dope and that's not fair.

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As far as Clenbutrador riding for Bruyneel, wonder if more will come out with Levi losing his results for 2007 and Alberto, or from DZ saying he doped in CSC. Is it just a matter of time till those federations chime in with this

I would imagine that UCI/team HQ's/sponsors are all scrambling a bit right now.

I forget where I read it, but I keep thinking of a quote "If I cannot trust all, I must suspect all..."

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How can someone who is so immersed in cycling say only now does he understand how US postal was so good? The existence of doping has long been known to most who follow sport, so this statement comes off as disingenuous. I suppose the only explanation is that he didn't realise that almost everyone on USP was doping, but still.

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perhaps he didn't know that their program was so sophisticated?

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The entire event (IM) is like "death by 1000 cuts" and the best race is minimizing all those cuts and losing less blood than the other guy. - Dev

Call me naive, but I think this last blow will cause the interest in seeing Lance in a triathlon drop significantly. If any race director allows him in, it can only hurt the image of triathlon - a sport that is still trying to garner more market share from the public.

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I think if races drop sanctioning to get Lance into them, it continues to cement the notion that triathlon is all about participation. The more races that allow Lance to race, the more mudding of the waters we will get and the less "legit" we become.

That's why I thought it was so interesting Rev3's take on letting Lance race in their race this past weekend. The negative image of having a doper "race" wasnt even a thought to them, they just wanted to raise more money/racers for their cause (not saying that that is bad...just kinda puts it into the prospective of why a race will do it).

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Just because you say that and the moderator has put it into your post does not convince me that you had post 1000. There are all kind of uncertainties associated with your conclusion. Some people deleted posts. There are duplicate posts. Did you take that into account? Was each page of posts initialed by the moderator? Have you reviewed the algorithm that counts the number of posts? Has the post counting program ever taken and passed any counting tests? Before I believe that you had post 1000, I need hard scientific proof. Show me the test result. I've read not all of the posts and can't find it anywhere.

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"I'm obviously obtuse this morning, missed it completely."

Same here...

"ditto"

ditto^2

There's a simple answer to this: It won't happen. Why? Because WTC is a WADA signatory, which you missed in all this. They're not going to pull out of that. They cant fire USADA, as USADA falls under WADA. USADA also didn't admit they can't provide an analytical positive; Most of the samples during armstrongs time were administered by UCI; which armstrong wouldnt give USADA access to. If they did, and with the new EPO tests, it's almost a lock that he'd test positive if the samples from the tours were available for retesting by USADA.

Lance is done racing except his own series and the occasional unsanctioned race.

"In the 'golden years' it was all very simple, it was 'training and loading, training and loading. 'Loading', that's the term the riders use when they talk about doping. Nowadays, we work differently, more professionally, with more attention to detail. That's the cycling I believe in, not 'training and loading'. It's changed."



Why are you so upset?

All he is saying is that nowadays there are more subtle ways to incorporate "loading" into training.