I have Cerebral Palsy (actually, I have a condition very similar, but not technically CP, I have to please the pedantic) as a result of a stroke at 4 months. I post on ST as a beacon of hope for disabled children. Why do you hate disabled children? Why do you want to take away their hope that one day they can be the person to post the 1000th post in a thread about he who shall not be named?

Post Script: In case you have no sense of humor (or soul) the above was tongue in cheek. I actually do have spastic hemiplegia.

Wouldn't "participation" be an accurate term for your involvement in triathlon?

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I guess if we are going with the literal sense, everything is participation, is it not? But if we want to garner a sport that gets more and more consideration for elite development, then stuff like races allowing Lance to race will continue to be a hurdle this sport has to jump over.

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You are really pretty new to all this triathlon stuff aren't ya?

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you know it was said in jest...

You're going to have to choose another charity, because it was decided yesterday that Paulo was the 'beacon of hope' for children.

Paulo is not crippled, ergo I am more inspirational and better suited at being the hope beacon!

Have you met him??? (Paulo, I know, you hate my guts, but that's still a joke ;-) )

I have not met Paulo but I know one of his athletes and give him shit about Paulo online 'tude quite a bit. <3 you Paulo!

Got it. Subtle. From TH's book:

Coyle, Daniel; Hamilton, Tyler (2012-09-05). The Secret Race: Inside the Hidden World of the Tour de France: Doping, Cover-ups, and Winning at All Costs

I'm NOT saying any of these guys (of course, other than those who already have been convicted or admitted to it) doped, but TH might be.

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This is going to make for an awesome Hollywood movie.

The resources to have an impact on AG doping are not really that large in the big picture. You need just enough testing to produce some high profile AG busts and introduce fear and doubt into the minds of the dopers. I'd bet anything that if a fund was started for this purpose and donations solicited that could take care of the resources issue. I'll be happy to make a donation to such a cause on an annual basis and I bet others would as well. Triathletes are a pretty well heeled bunch and with the proper leadership and publicity a lot of progress could be made on this problem.

What went wrong six or seven years ago? You mean what start to go right about six or seven years ago? Or what became more hidden starting six or seven years ago. Give me a break Fabian. I am not saying he ever doped, but the statement makes it seem like he could never have ever believed that anyone in cycling ever doped. EVER.

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Coaching for 5 years. You'll have to be the judge if its new/old for these parts.

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I know that you know that I know that you know that I know it was in jest as you know that I know my response was also. I didn't think I had to use pink for you!

Please refer to eganski's quote:



The believetyler should have been the second hint.

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I think this is the question to ask: was lance the first guy to dope?
to get to the top of the podium, did he have to dope to compete with others who were already doping?
Did he have to have his teammates dope in order to compete with the teams of the other dopers?

I think Hincapie's press release clearly points to a lot of this. Lance played a game, he played it better than anyone else and he got people to supporting him to play the game at the highest level. He could have said "no, i am not going to dope." If he did, would you know his name? Would someone else have won the TDF who WASN'T doping? Would he have successfully blown the whistle on the guys who were doping? would he have taken his fame (and fortune) and created livestrong? would he have raised the $ he has that have gone to cancer research and patient support? would anyone passionately raise $ for Livestrong as they have because of what he accomplished (tainted or not)? I don't want to agree with the doping, but if he never won a TDF, chances are i never would have heard of him and and a friend of mine who got into cycling and then tri, never would have, and i never would have met this friend, and my life would be emptier...

so, while i don't agree that any of this justifies anything, Lance impacted many of us in ways that we can only begin to think about now, how different would our lives be if a brash American kid from Texas never won 7 TDFs?

First Olympic Triathlon in 2008? Been coaching for 5 years? Yeah, that sounds about right.

I bring this up because you are one of the more vocal Lance Armstrong haters.

Well, as they say "consider the source".

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Just curious, what is the point your making?

Wanna call me a Lance hater? Nah go read up on my issue with the other cyclists and this whole "suspended" sentences that they received. So might want to check your facts, I'm simply against all doping in this sport.

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He is? I think you are confused.

Francois wrote:

This is going to make for an awesome Hollywood movie.

The story needs to include the ugly Armstrong/Filippo Simeoni feud. I admit that as a Lance fan back in the day, I overlooked this although I thought it smelled bad at the time.

For those that don't remember, here is an article on cyclingnews. I found it interesting and sad to read again the stage report from 2004.

This little bit of bittersweet justice provided by the USADA case against Armstrong, Bruyneel, et al, illustrates the main point of the investigation: the TRUTH. Sunlight is the best disinfectant, those who nitpick the cost, process, the timing, the penalties, etc. miss the point that knowing the TRUTH is good and will do good for cycling in the future.

Armstrong has jumped the shark. His supporters will fall off, one by one until he is alone, the last man standing telling a story no one believes. Nearly everyone from the EPO era has confessed by now (Bjarne, Jan, the discovery team, . . . .). When I think of the current state of Lance Armstrong, I think of the Swift quote from the beginning of the book Confederacy of Dunces:

When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.
Jonathan Swift

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or scenes from "True Blood."

I dont think it has anything to do with cementing the notion of participation; what it would really cement is that making money is more important than the integrity of our sport.

Which, by the way, it's not. (Not that I need to tell you that). And I dont agree for a second that Rev3 didnt think about it, i think they marketed it the right way and said the right things, but they had no idea what to expect (I was told that specifically), and my guess is while they'd do it again, they'd have walked the tightrope with USAT for the olympic race first, and there's no shot they'd sign on for administering Lances livestrong series.

What makes you think that? I suspect there are many others who doped but didn't get caught and weren't forced to testify.

Agreed. But those who haven't confessed differ from Armstrong in that (a) they are smaller fish and have moved on quietly to lives outside cycling, and/or (b) have been quiet about the past and have not been proclaiming that they were clean in the EPO era. Thus, I see LA as largely standing alone proclaiming that he rode clean during the EPO era.

Cycling fans like me may have doubts about all the winners of the TDF since LA, but none of them have gotten up on the soapbox like Lance making a big deal about being clean.

Cycling still as many problems, but there was never going to be any real healing until the biggest boil on its neck got lanced.

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