I'd actually like to see a Woods vs Sanders duathlon. Woods is world class when it gets steep, but a horrific TT'er, bike handler, descender, and tactician. Also a 4 minute miler.

Forget about a duathlon. Cycling and the Hour record is not Lionel's main sport (it's just a side show that is part of prepping for tri) and the hour record is not Wood's main event (but the TT is just one component of road racing). Let's put them on the track back to back 2 hrs in Milton. Best man wins. I give Lionel 6 laps on Woods (meaning Woods does not break 50kph).

I was talking about Lionel being world class over one hour on the velodrome. I said he would not be world class in a road race (for all the reasons we and he know). I think you just like to dive in any chance you can concoct to pick a fight with me. Woods has shown little ability in TTs to suggest he would take the canadian hour record on the velodrome. Bottom line Lionel has that record. No Canadian pro cyclist has ever gone that fast. They can give it a go if they want but they are not because it's not an easy number to defeat.

It is totally possible to be world class in one discipline. The discipline I was focused on is the hour record. And this one translates directly to this race with Jan.

To be fair, you just said “world class cyclist” and did not specify. I think it is also fair that most people would assume that means the various components of cycling.

As for tonight, Jan is predicting 310W whereas Lionel has cited IMAZ type watts (>315). It is still very unlikely that Lionel will be able to match Jan off the bike after spending all his energy catching him. Lionel has also stated he wants to catch and pass him if possible on the bike. While that seems the only time he can catch him given past running performances, he has to know that if Jan sees him coming by, he will know the ridiculous amount of energy LS will have expended.

Triathlon is not a 1hour time trial or 112m time trial. Starky proves that every time he is run down.

I love all these “when Lionel catches Jan on the bike”. This race will be over after the swim. Two athletes in two different leagues.

BINGO!!!!!! This thought that its close is some Quanon crazy shit.

i couldn't agree less with what you just wrote. first, frodeno is going for the record. he's not going to sit up to make good tv. second, the only thing that'll be over 500m into the swim is who exits the swim first, and they don't even need to get wet for us to know that.

He's running in the Hoka rocket x 2 with carbon plate

To be fair, you just said “world class cyclist” and did not specify. I think it is also fair that most people would assume that means the various components of cycling.

As for tonight, Jan is predicting 310W whereas Lionel has cited IMAZ type watts (>315). It is still very unlikely that Lionel will be able to match Jan off the bike after spending all his energy catching him. Lionel has also stated he wants to catch and pass him if possible on the bike. While that seems the only time he can catch him given past running performances, he has to know that if Jan sees him coming by, he will know the ridiculous amount of energy LS will have expended.

Triathlon is not a 1hour time trial or 112m time trial. Starky proves that every time he is run down.

Uno mas video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-pMqj3Bq1M


That wasn't Dev, that was me. And you know exactly what I was referencing. However, given that. I'd love to see him get an invite to a team. He has an elite level ability to just suffer and his ability to just pound watts in the TT position is immense.

So, to be clear, Lionel is World Class in the Individual Time Trial. He has proven this. And it's time for people to cut the crap and just admit he is a very good athlete and a really good pro.

For the record, I used to be a lionel denier...not sure you could call me a hater, but his previous desire to do everything indoors just irked me.

If you listen to Lionel talk finishing every race he starts is paramount. It seems in his mind it is more important to finish what he starts on a given day even when things unravel than to pack it in and save it for another race. He just has a totally different mindset from most pro level athletes.

I personally like it as it's more I'm line with the approach of the rank and file age group athlete who does not have another race to save it for. We get that race on that day and get it done fast or slow but we get it done because on Monday we go to our day job and make money and don't have an option of going to another race. Lionel has the option of another race and he can't get money going to the office on Monday but he still plows thru like the rest of us. This is why so many amateurs join his fan club . He is a faster version of us.