Placid is in 6 days soooooo no way

He's on the start list for Lake Placid and he's mentioned both Placid and Copenhagen as options.

But pros can enter their names on start lists almost willy nilly and also never show up. So his name being on the start list isn't that relevant.

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I dont want to take anything away from two amazing athletes having a great training day and racing each other, but I am just going to say it. World records in triathlon are ridiculous. Its not like a 100 meter dash on a track. Everyone knows that Iron distance races are all on different terrains/wind conditions and of course temperature environments.

You just cant compare one race to another like that. This course is super flat as a pancake on great roads (A highway) and cool conditions. Yes, it was raining and a very amazing performance by both, but please stop touting an Iron distance world record. Its meaningless.

I especially cringe when I hear of a Kona world record. Every day in Kona is different with some days zero wind and some day a 25 MPH head wind with some days with a cloud cover and some days blazing hot sun. Also, it goes without saying that the Kona course has been changed at least 4 times over the years if not more.

I am generally positive and dont want to hate on this event or others, but please stop comparing one race to another in iron distance triathlon.

ok, we'll all stop now.

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Is Lionel OK?

I am generally positive and dont want to hate on this event or others, but please stop comparing one race to another in iron distance triathlon.//

So unless it is on a track indoors, you really don't believe in any world records in any outside sport? I tend to agree with you on our sport, just because we dont even measure the dam courses. But not this one on this day, so how is it different that a 10k or marathon world record? How about 40k on the bike, or the outdoor mile world records?

Commentators mentioned him qualifying in Denmark. Not sure what Ironman is there. His recovery might be helped by the weather. If it would've been hot, he would've hurt more IMO. That rain kept major dehydration at bay.

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And great to see Hannes there giving out awards and helping the guys. Most of you have no idea who he is, one of the first German Ironman to do well in Kona. Back from my day in the early 80's, then he formed a travel company to get the 200+ Germans to Kona each year. He would book entire hotels just for his contingent on the big island. Kind of what Kenny Glah is doing now with Americans..

I haven't heard of people manufacturing fast courses in order for competitors to achieve WRs in athletics. This one was blatantly made fast, complete with the ramp. (Nothing wrong with it - it's all good fun!)

I personally don't have a problem with it, but I do think "records" in triathlon are way overhyped.

There are course rules in 10k and marathon. The finish has to be close to the start, net negative elevation change is severely limited, etc. Hence you can't beat a world record in Boston, for instance. Also, running doesn't have transitions, is less affected by wind, etc.


As far as the bike goes, I thought the only official UCI-sanctioned WR was the hour record on the track?

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"FTP is a bit 2015, don't you think?" - Gustav Iden

It's an Ironman with two male Kona slots, and Blummenfelt and Iden (both not KQ'd and wanting to get KQ'd) on the start list.
[Edit: Iden does have a KQ apparently. Good for Lionel].

Gonna be interesting.

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"FTP is a bit 2015, don't you think?" - Gustav Iden

 'But not this one on this day, so how is it different that a 10k or marathon world record? How about 40k on the bike, or the outdoor mile world records?[/quote]



While it is just like the sub 2. great entertainment but meant to be fast and not let others compete.

swim distance????
very short transitions???
banked turns???
no other competition allowed to challenge them . Long and lange could do a lot of damage on that course.

No age grouper in the way on laps and aid stations.

So there it isn't a world record. It was their own broadcast of self prompt for our entertainment.

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Have to agree with Monty. This was a legitimate course in a real Lake and on public roads, properly measured and certified. There was no possibility of drafting, or any of the accepted rules being broken. It was clearly the fastest anyone has ever completed an Ironman distance Triathlon, so absolutely a legitimate record.

What is amazing is that just a short time ago, both these guys were doing an incredible time and running themselves into the ground. And now they can both barley get up on a podium with help. I think it is safe to say that nothing was left in any tank today, and this was more than a training day as some of you like to refer to it. It was a race by all metrics, and for both of them, usually how they race even with 20 more guys on the start line too. One most always in the lead, the other most always in a solo chase mode.

“ Blummenfelt and Iden (both not KQ'd ”

Iden is KQ’d from his 2019 70.3 WC carried over

Plus, neither Blummenfelt nor Iden has done an I'm distance race (IIRC). Good chance one of them doesn't execute to perfection.

If Iden has a great day in Kona, and beats Jan, does Jan do this again next year and invite Iden, a competitor that actually has a chance to beat him? Can Jan hang in there as Lionel did when he knows he is beaten? That is the measure of a true champion!

Right, I completely forgot about Iden’s WC winner slot. Edited my post now.

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"FTP is a bit 2015, don't you think?" - Gustav Iden

It’s certainly “legit”, but manufactured events/courses designed with the singular purpose of establishing a record still feel strange to me.

Think LS said his plan was to race IM Copenhagen (22 Aug, MPRO 2 Kona slots) to gain KQ (good luck against the best Europeans who aren't selected for Collins Cup) and then race the Collins Cup the following w/e at Samorin (I guess judging that / not caring whether a long distance 7 days before will have minimal impact on the outcome of a match mano a mano a mano against maybe George Goodwin and RvB. He'll also be wanting to race the 70.3 WC at St George in early September.

I don’t think it was out of the realm of possibility that Lionel could have made up the 5min swim deficit during the bike. But that 3:55 ride by Jan was insane. Iden would have been a few minutes back out of the swim as well so not sure he’d be any more competitive. Definitely don’t see him gaining any time on Jan on the bike than would have to run sub-2:40.

Not sure any current athletes could touch that 45 + 3:55 swim/bike.

“ It’s certainly “legit”, but manufactured events/courses designed with the singular purpose of establishing a record still feel strange to me. ”

Isn’t every event and course “manufactured”? I have directed and helped construct several events and courses, and a lot of thought and effort goes in to making it attractive to athletes :-)
I do not see how this differs from literally any course/event.
The US swimming Olympic Trials is a good example. The pool is literally designed and manufactured for the specific event. Should the world records not be counted?

That was intense. Both guys laid it all on the line today in different ways. The conditions were cold and wet. Unique take on the sport, glad both gentlemen executed an A race to remember!

Well Copenhagen has been postponed so he won't be doing that

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I knew someone would respond with this. The answer is definitively “no”. And you know it. The distinction is clear when an event is a closed course designed for one or a few athletes to set a record. The trials or similar events aren’t set up for 1 or 2 athletes only to compete to break a record. It is a larger event in which records may be broken during the course of natural competition.

uh, has it?
says august 22 online. . .

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