Right! Being subsscribed to Lionel, HJ, Sam Long etc on Instagram makes the videos (and in this case the live stream) hard to miss. It was super convenient. Man, I even watched short reels of Sam Long trying to fix his tire on Sunday. ;)

I wonder how much money that generated for Lionel, 320K+ views whilst it isn't massive it isn't small either.

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I wonder how much money that generated for Lionel, 320K+ views whilst it isn't massive it isn't small either.

Not sure what money he would have made off JUST the tri-battle video, but because you asked:

Social Blade has his annual earnings between $4k - $60k. That's a HUGE range. His viewing numbers are up 250% in the last month which is probably mostly attributable to his race week series, which I think him and Talbot have done an amazing job at. Keep in mind, he pays Talbot to produce all this, so my guess is he comes out neutral but his subscriber count is steadily increasing. Up to 126k subscribers now. if he ever wins Kona, those numbers would go up significantly!!!

https://socialblade.com/youtube/c/lionelsanderstri

I'd like to think with his nutrition dialed in a bit better, and without the travel fatigue, Lionel goes sub 7:40.

Anyone is free to replicate this effort - no issue at all. There are also a ton of world records for road racing - do you take issue with those?

I think the weather definitely affected the bike and run. They probably both got cold on the bike and even though the lower temperature helped on the run I imagine it was more than offset by running in water logged shoes and slipping on the pavement when running that fast.

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Please find one that is from a race outside of the track. Cycling has a lot of unique efforts that are noted as world records, but only those on the track are found in races. This is claimed to be the 'world record' for an Ironman (which is not even a race...) or IM distance race so keeping it apples to apples.

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https://www.strava.com/...tes/zachary_mckinney

This Aussie scientist does a good break down of the event



I can't believe Lionels heart is 15 percent more efficient. He is shorter but they weigh almost the same right? Jan definately looks more aero

Lionel's heart is crazy. I remember his low BPM going up Mt. Lemmon. But, who cares about efficiency if you don't get the W?

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https://www.strava.com/...tes/zachary_mckinney

If he makes enough from youtube ads to pay Talbot (including travel and other expenses), that would be phenomenal. I imagine the purpose of the channel, from the money standpoint, is to get better terms from sponsors.


A low heart rate simply means a larger heart. His max is like 160, so his zones are lower.

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When I looked at a photo gallery (by Zwift Tri Battle), I noticed two things about LS, that seem odd and certainly do not help to get the maximum out of himself:

1. Arm pads that do not fit his arm position - maybe just a snapshot when he was moving his arms around and typically its fits well. But looks awkward to me.
2. Not shaving the full leg. Well, shave your legs or not (was there not a wind tunnel test with Jesse T.?), but don't do kind of "I shave a good portion of the leg"

Thoughts?

Really? Really seems like a stretch to call these reasons why he can't get the max out of himself.

I think I remember reading that the flat armrest is intentional. Could be his preference

Lionel is always shifting and shuffling about on the bike, chances are he needs flat arm rest to allow this sort of movement rather than being locked in.

Well, I probably missed to add a smiley to the second bullet point. But I needed to smile when I saw that picture ... such a perfect "race" day setup (despite the weather) and then legs are not completely shaved? Anyway...

The first point is a serious on though. I am surprised to see the flat pads. Might help him to feel comfortable and support his style of shuffling (as TRO Saracen pointed out). But still something to notice for those who might wonder why same wattage does not mean same speed...

Could it be calibration of powermeters between Jan and Lionel. Also I think Jan's shoulders are narrower than Lionel's. But Jan's legs are longer so not sure which is worse.

I was thinking the same thing with regards to the powermeters..

I believe for one of his last races he mentioned about a difference between his trainer and the powermeter on the bike which cause quite a big discrepancy in the power numbers he thought he was doing, and then in one of the videos leading up to the race where they show him his new bike the Canyon rep says something about a new Quarq being fitted so I immediately thought 'this could cause some issues again for him with regards to calibration or whatever'.

My conclusion is you have a different FTP depending on what power meter you are on....by that I mean, three powermeters could read 196, 200, 204 watts (+/- 2 percent), so between two in the extreme you can have an 8W difference centered 200W or 12W difference centered on 300W.

So you basically need to get a feel for which one of you powermeters trend which way. Its not that hard to figure out, but you have to ride a fair amount to get the feel for which one reads higher or lower. Usually a few solid FTP tests at your limit gives the answer. It's like swimming at a fast pool and slow pool. Eventually you know that one pool gives you lower numbers.

Talbot were is the post Race flog? It's been over 4 days! heheh

Joke apart looking forward to it! :)

 

You can do some back of the napkin calculations to see it all makes sense

4h 180km = 45km/h. For a total mass of 80kg, flat course, no wind, crr = 0.004 (wet), guessing an air density, a 0.230 cda will give 300watts
5 minutes slower, same watts would be a cda of 0.245.

It's not hard to believe that the way Lionel moves on the bike, round bottles on the downtube, ....it's very easy to see that a .015 cda difference make. It's probably the sum of a bunch of detail. IMO, more probable than PM differences

What is interesting is that if these are the numbers, he's basically where he was in 2016.

He should go to his track UCI position :-)

Are you saying that Jan's longer leg disadvantage on CdA is more than compensated for by Lionel's broader shoulders, thicker legs and wider pedaling style and motion, meaning he needs more watts to go 5 min slower? I did not see Lionel's position last week relative to his position at the velodrome when he did 51.3 kph.

I am saying that the difference in watts and speed is easily explained by their respective CDAs. Just the bottle on the down tube cost him 5w. The way he fights with the bike while Jan is silky smooth cost him.

I am not convinced his position is a step forward for him. He was never s smooth cyclist but he isn't getting any better. And if we guess at his CDA, it matches what we see. I am not seeing a bike step forward on the bike.

But I am impressed with his swim.

I agree that the difference can be explained by their CdAs. But what types of body movements do increase CdA? The legs have to move in order to go forward. Is a stable upper body more aero than a moving one?

But I am impressed with his swim.//

It really was just more of what he has done in the past. A 51 minute wetsuit swim on top of a cable to go completely straight, is more like the 54/55 or so he does in Kona. We really wouldn't know if Jan wasn't there beating him by 5 minutes for comparison. Lionel loses another minute or two taking off the wetsuits to swimmers of Jan's abilities, and there you have ther normal Kona separation we see from him at ironmans. I know everyone is very excited about his 50 minute swim( I say 51 because it was 2 seconds shy), but in context it was a normal swim for him, and not really any breakthrough. He just has not developed that 200 speed one needs to get in the right group, so he will be relegated to swim with a bunch of guys he crushes in the pool on distance sets...

I have seen in TTs, when there is a lot of lateral rocking of the bike, small oversteering and the movement of the head and shoulders, CDA increases. It is very obvious in the last 5 minutes of my Thursday night TTs when I'm struggling in the last 4km