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Re: LIONEL VS JAN. the semi-official race day thread [Mulen] [ In reply to ]
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Mulen wrote:
Maybe this has already ready been discussed elsewhere, so bear with me:

In case one of them eventually goes out and break Jan´s current WR on Ironman Distance. Will this count as a new WR ?

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I would suspect YES. Unlike the Breaking 2 attempt, they are following all rules and it IS considered a sanctioned race. So no drafting with an official(s) monitoring the bike, the aid stations had litter zones. The only thing that comes into question would be the ramp for the turn around on the bike (not against any rule but some might make it into an asterisk), the moto aid stations (again not against any rule but some might say it's not the same). But there have been no pacers (unless you want to make the argument that Jan is using Lionel to pace him via pushing him to not let Lionel win but that's a weak argument at best as there is no physical advantage).
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Re: LIONEL VS JAN. the semi-official race day thread [dtoce] [ In reply to ]
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dtoce wrote:
st001rtg wrote:
LifeTri wrote:
What is the current gap?

Think it's 9-10 min right now.
Lionel behind Jan.

​JF 5:24:12
LS 5:34:58..
the GAP is 10min 46 seconds-on timing mat

that spill onto the carpet by Jan was ugly-gotta hurt...really hate to see that...

looked like he came down hard on his hip ... I wonder if it will catch up to him later.

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Re: LIONEL VS JAN. the semi-official race day thread [iron_mike] [ In reply to ]
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iron_mike wrote:
dtoce wrote:
st001rtg wrote:
LifeTri wrote:
What is the current gap?

Think it's 9-10 min right now.
Lionel behind Jan.


​JF 5:24:12
LS 5:34:58..
the GAP is 10min 46 seconds-on timing mat

that spill onto the carpet by Jan was ugly-gotta hurt...really hate to see that...


looked like he came down hard on his hip ... I wonder if it will catch up to him later.

His form still looks good right now but we'll see if it's still fine in 20k or so
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Re: LIONEL VS JAN. the semi-official race day thread [iron_mike] [ In reply to ]
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I guess we'll see, but it hasn't altered his pace yet (thankfully)-JF is a beast, the best, but I love the underdog...I can relate to that better personally

gap of ~11:40 with 27 k to go on the run
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Re: LIONEL VS JAN. the semi-official race day thread [iron_mike] [ In reply to ]
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Jesus, people - there are NO official world records in triathlon. Zilch.

Ironman has its “records”, sure.

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Re: LIONEL VS JAN. the semi-official race day thread [kajet] [ In reply to ]
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kajet wrote:
Jesus, people - there are NO official world records in triathlon. Zilch.

Ironman has its “records”, sure.

https://en.wikipedia.org/...ronman_world_records

Those sure look like world records to me.
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Re: LIONEL VS JAN. the semi-official race day thread [gusthemuss] [ In reply to ]
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The hoka rep just referred to “Ironman distance” race.

Awaiting the cease and desist from IM.
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Re: LIONEL VS JAN. the semi-official race day thread [gusthemuss] [ In reply to ]
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Well done finding a Wikipedia entry that shows Challenge Roth as an “Ironman record”.

The WRs are unofficial. This means that today’s time will be a world record if the fans, athletes and journalists think so.

Doesn’t matter that the German Triathlon Union has sanctioned the event. The German Triathlon Union and World Triathlon do not officially recognize record times.

Triathlon is not track & field.

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Re: LIONEL VS JAN. the semi-official race day thread [gusthemuss] [ In reply to ]
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Those "world records" just amount to someone writing the fastest recorded times on Wikipedia. There is no sanctioned or recognized...anything.

I mean it says the Ironman world record was set at a Challenge event...

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Re: LIONEL VS JAN. the semi-official race day thread [monty] [ In reply to ]
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I have been a Lionel fanboy since the start. Love the guy and love following his training and racing. My next dog will be named Lionel Sanders....

With all of that being said; his run form hurts to watch. It's incredibly effective and he is so fast but it just looks like he is dying slowly.



Watching this is a very fun way to spend my Sunday morning. Other races can learn a ton about broadcasting a race. The general public might actually get sucked in to watching.

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Re: LIONEL VS JAN. the semi-official race day thread [talbotcox] [ In reply to ]
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The views of the race are great, but I keep hoping they will show more of Helle Frederiksen. They only showed a brief clip of her and the other commentator before the start. She is both an accomplished triathlete and a gorgeous woman.
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Re: LIONEL VS JAN. the semi-official race day thread [kajet] [ In reply to ]
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kajet wrote:
Well done finding a Wikipedia entry that shows Challenge Roth as an “Ironman record”.

The WRs are unofficial. This means that today’s time will be a world record if the fans, athletes and journalists think so.

Doesn’t matter that the German Triathlon Union has sanctioned the event. The German Triathlon Union and World Triathlon do not officially recognize record times.

Triathlon is not track & field.

ok, mate

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Re: LIONEL VS JAN. the semi-official race day thread [Fredo_Adagio] [ In reply to ]
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The views of the race are great, but I keep hoping they will show more of Helle Frederiksen. They only showed a brief clip of her and the other commentator before the start. She is both an accomplished triathlete and a gorgeous woman.

paul seems to cut helle off a lot, but i'm actually finding her commentary great. keeping the patter up for 7 hours isn't easy, but i feel like she (and paul, actually) have kept it humming along well.

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Re: LIONEL VS JAN. the semi-official race day thread [wannabefaster] [ In reply to ]
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With all of that being said; his run form hurts to watch. It's incredibly effective and he is so fast but it just looks like he is dying slowly.

I agree. Watching him next to Jan, who makes running look effortless, just makes it even more stark. Jan looks like he’s gliding. Lionel looks like his elbows are stapled to his knees.
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Re: LIONEL VS JAN. the semi-official race day thread [CheesyConey] [ In reply to ]
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CheesyConey wrote:
wannabefaster wrote:

With all of that being said; his run form hurts to watch. It's incredibly effective and he is so fast but it just looks like he is dying slowly.


I agree. Watching him next to Jan, who makes running look effortless, just makes it even more stark. Jan looks like he’s gliding. Lionel looks like his elbows are stapled to his knees.

that's hilarious and hilariously accurate.

interestingly, jan's pace has held dead even so far, but lionel's has sped up ever so slightly (a few seconds per km across the first half) throughout.

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Re: LIONEL VS JAN. the semi-official race day thread [Birdmantris] [ In reply to ]
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Birdmantris wrote:
Those "world records" just amount to someone writing the fastest recorded times on Wikipedia



Not really... they just amount to someone writing it in the media (to be on wikipedia it needs to be somewhere else first, generally). But agree that these aren't really "world records."

"Frodeno Sets World Record At Challenge Roth". triathlete.com. July 19, 2016.
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Re: LIONEL VS JAN. the semi-official race day thread [iron_mike] [ In reply to ]
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iron_mike wrote:
Fredo_Adagio wrote:
The views of the race are great, but I keep hoping they will show more of Helle Frederiksen. They only showed a brief clip of her and the other commentator before the start. She is both an accomplished triathlete and a gorgeous woman.

paul seems to cut helle off a lot, but i'm actually finding her commentary great. keeping the patter up for 7 hours isn't easy, but i feel like she (and paul, actually) have kept it humming along well.

Agree with the cutting off. It was getting borderline rude for awhile.
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Re: LIONEL VS JAN. the semi-official race day thread [iron_mike] [ In reply to ]
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reports from the course saying that jan is hurting (in the hip) and lionel is feeling good; both guys are tailing off the projected finish times a bit but lionel may be gaining a bit.

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Re: LIONEL VS JAN. the semi-official race day thread [iron_mike] [ In reply to ]
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reports from the course saying that jan is hurting (in the hip) and lionel is feeling good; both guys are tailing off the projected finish times a bit but lionel may be gaining a bit.

That’s what it looks like from the statistics we’re getting too. Jan’s lead is big enough that he’d have to really blow up even if Lionel feels fresh as a daisy. Still, I think Lionel has to look at this as a huge morale victory. He’s actually held his own on the run (with help from a wet carpet). But it’s not the bloodbath I think a lot of us feared.
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Re: LIONEL VS JAN. the semi-official race day thread [CheesyConey] [ In reply to ]
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reports from the course saying that jan is hurting (in the hip) and lionel is feeling good; both guys are tailing off the projected finish times a bit but lionel may be gaining a bit.

That’s what it looks like from the statistics we’re getting too. Jan’s lead is big enough that he’d have to really blow up even if Lionel feels fresh as a daisy. Still, I think Lionel has to look at this as a huge morale victory. He’s actually held his own on the run (with help from a wet carpet). But it’s not the bloodbath I think a lot of us feared.

So far it is both a great performance for LS and a bit of a bloodbath. But to be expected I guess.

Still a bit of running to do though.
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Re: LIONEL VS JAN. the semi-official race day thread [Adman] [ In reply to ]
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10K left!

The suffering that they must be experiencing to keep it at the limit. Especially since Jan could back way off and still win. Now it's about the record.

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Re: LIONEL VS JAN. the semi-official race day thread [iron_mike] [ In reply to ]
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iron_mike wrote:
reports from the course saying that jan is hurting (in the hip) and lionel is feeling good; both guys are tailing off the projected finish times a bit but lionel may be gaining a bit.

looks like Jan is starting to coast. and this where I suspect there could be a little drama manufacturing. not taking ANYTHING away from these two guys doing 7:XX.

But listening to commentators...trying to stir up drama, all a bit ridiculous.
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Re: LIONEL VS JAN. the semi-official race day thread [Adman] [ In reply to ]
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Re: LIONEL VS JAN. the semi-official race day thread [Adman] [ In reply to ]
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iron_mike wrote:
reports from the course saying that jan is hurting (in the hip) and lionel is feeling good; both guys are tailing off the projected finish times a bit but lionel may be gaining a bit.


That’s what it looks like from the statistics we’re getting too. Jan’s lead is big enough that he’d have to really blow up even if Lionel feels fresh as a daisy. Still, I think Lionel has to look at this as a huge morale victory. He’s actually held his own on the run (with help from a wet carpet). But it’s not the bloodbath I think a lot of us feared.


So far it is both a great performance for LS and a bit of a bloodbath. But to be expected I guess.

Still a bit of running to do though.

A margin of ~10 min is the difference between 1st and between 3rd and 5th in Kona, depending on the year. I think the difference would have been much more if this was in Kona rather than in conditions that favored LS significantly.

I love LS but there is a wide gap between him and the best. Further, there are others that are closer to the best than he is.

Not a reason to not cheer for him but dems the facts (and always have been).
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Re: LIONEL VS JAN. the semi-official race day thread [Dan Funk] [ In reply to ]
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iron_mike wrote:
reports from the course saying that jan is hurting (in the hip) and lionel is feeling good; both guys are tailing off the projected finish times a bit but lionel may be gaining a bit.


looks like Jan is starting to coast. and this where I suspect there could be a little drama manufacturing. not taking ANYTHING away from these two guys doing 7:XX.

But listening to commentators...trying to stir up drama, all a bit ridiculous.

you suspect that jan is trying to manufacture drama? because he's slowing down after 6.5 hours at 10 minutes faster than the IM world record? after falling hard? in pouring rain?

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