I just looked at Lionel's Race Week clip on Youtube. He definitely looked tired after the long trip which is totally understandable. It is also clear, to me at least, how Jan is a true professional, comfortable in his skin and on home soil. Lionel seems a bit in awe of and nervous around him.

That turn-around ramp looks super fun!

Wasn't clear on the purpose of the turnaround ramp.......are they doing multiple short loops and just putting that in for fun?

So they don’t have to slow down on the 180s

I get that, but are they doing -that- many laps? Maybe they are,,,

At risk of a misquote
"no-one mention the ironwar" 🐸

What are the viewing options actually?

https://www.tri247.com/...yale-frodeno-sanders

"In this first of its kind sporting event, these two fierce rivals will battle it out in 3.8km, four lap swim in Grossen Alpsee Lake; followed by a 180km closed and fast time trial bike leg made up of five loops. This incredible head-to-head battle will culminate with a 42.2km marathon made up of four 10.55km circuits around the scenic landscape of Allgäu. All long distance international triathlon rules will be adhered to – no drafting, no illegal tactics, no outside support or pacemakers."

---

ECMGN Therapy Silicon Valley:
Depression, Neurocognitive problems, Dementias (Testing and Evaluation), Trauma and PTSD, Traumatic Brain Injury (TBI)

That's kind Jan. Has to work in Lionel's favor on that one.

---

---

Save: $50 on Speed Hound Recovery Boots | $20 on Air Relax| $100 on Normatec| 15% on Most Absorbable Magnesium

Blogs: Best CHEAP Zwift / Bike Trainer Desk | Theragun G3 vs $140 Bivi Percussive Massager | Normatec Pulse 2.0 vs Normatec Pulse | Speed Hound vs Normatec | Air Relax vs Normatec | Q1 2018 Blood Test Results | | Why HED JET+ Is The BEST value wheelset

The ramp has nothing to do with Lionel and everything to do with Jan trying to break the WR.

It's pretty obvious that this is Jan's race.

---

blog

Is this a serious thing Jan is trying to do? Is the course that fast?

---

---

Save: $50 on Speed Hound Recovery Boots | $20 on Air Relax| $100 on Normatec| 15% on Most Absorbable Magnesium

Blogs: Best CHEAP Zwift / Bike Trainer Desk | Theragun G3 vs $140 Bivi Percussive Massager | Normatec Pulse 2.0 vs Normatec Pulse | Speed Hound vs Normatec | Air Relax vs Normatec | Q1 2018 Blood Test Results | | Why HED JET+ Is The BEST value wheelset

It seems so. They have gone as far as designing the swim so no sighting will even be required.

---

blog

In Australia in the 90s they had a triathlon grand prix series they had turn around ramps. It looked spectacular on the highlights. That was the early miles Stewart , brad Bevan and macca era

I wonder if Macca's concept for sub 7 concept has ramps, and if team macca had pitched it to Team Jan a while back

nondraft sub 7,30 would be more impressive than than a draft sub 7

Except there are no world records in triathlon.

I know, I know...

---

"FTP is a bit 2015, don't you think?" - Gustav Iden

I would be very surprised if Jan goes for a record against Lionel. That time difference would be a huge embarrassment to Lionel. On the other hand, Lionel would be in the history books. Just not for what he wanted.

---

http://www.sfuelsgolonger.com

I predict 7:29 for Jan

DNF for Sanders

---

wovebike.com | Wove on instagram

On what grounds? I think Lionel has proven himself to be one tough son of a bitch, on top of being likeable and respectful.

---

________________
Adrian in Vancouver

On the grounds that miles here is a Sam Long fanboy.

Don't they pull racers when they get lapped and that's a DNF?

I'm a big Lionel fan, but when's the last time he's had a great Ironman?

He's had an amazing 70.3 run this year and even at Daytona, but Ironman? not so much. I'd love to see him nail it, but his CDA race was less than confidence inspiring, and he doesn't have a Kona slot and isn't going to earn one at this Frodo-fest...

not sure how that has anything to do with Sam; that's purely on Lionel and the question for him is ' is getting beat by 15min on a good day worth not going to Kona?'

I don't think so. The DNF isn't predicted based on his ability, but on that simple question he'll have to ask himself

---

wovebike.com | Wove on instagram

When has Sanders ever DNF'd a race?

You don't think Jan wants to destroy his competitors and leave no doubt that he is truly the fastest? You don't think Jan smirks when fans think Lionel has a chance to beat him? There is no doubt that he leaves the gas pedal full throttle throughout the whole 140.6.

---

blog

Kona is exciting for 2-3 hours, I buy it... this, not my apple...

---

Spaniard. Sorry for my english for the sensitive ones :P

So, continuing his no-DNF streak outweighs being embarrassed and not qualifying for Kona?

---

wovebike.com | Wove on instagram

 I don't watch many sports, but have to admit I find all of Jans races exciting to see from start to finish....Frankfurt, Roth, south Africa , Kona 2019, Gran canaria, daytona.....he blew the doors off the most elite competition like a marvel hero and each race was just phenomenal

Probably making more from this race than any Kona finish prize money (endorsements aside but he's got those)

I'll second the DNF prediction. Its nothing against Lionel, his toughness, or whatever. I just imagine the calculus in his head, when he's halfway through the run and 12 minutes behind, will tip in favor of making sure he's ready to go for the KQ attempt

---

Me: https://carnivoreendurance.blogspot.com/...ever-comes-next.html

Latest: Colorectal Cancer is in the News Again. Don't Blame Red Meat
https://carnivoreendurance.blogspot.com/...news-again-dont.html

Does he lose money if he drops out at 15 miles into the run?

---

wovebike.com | Wove on instagram

I would doubt it. Nice appearance fee is probably what it is

So, that’d be my strategy…

---

wovebike.com | Wove on instagram

I just don't think that Lionel's psyche would allow him to stop short of the finish line. True, in the scenario you lay out, most professional athletes would pull out of the event; however, this is not just a payday for Lionel. Nor is he like most professional athletes.

Zwift had a great year, it's possible that zwift appearance fee here is more than Kona prize money

Yeah fair enough. Wouldn't be shocked to see him carry on in that scenario either

---

Me: https://carnivoreendurance.blogspot.com/...ever-comes-next.html

Latest: Colorectal Cancer is in the News Again. Don't Blame Red Meat
https://carnivoreendurance.blogspot.com/...news-again-dont.html

Thanks for the link, I clicked "send a reminder" to get a notification when it starts

Sanders hasn't been in an ideal training environment as of late. Spending too long in too hot of a place can be a death sentence. Maybe it works out for him. I love Tucson but you have to get out of there in summer or at least not be training outside in the bulk of the day IMHO.

---

---

Save: $50 on Speed Hound Recovery Boots | $20 on Air Relax| $100 on Normatec| 15% on Most Absorbable Magnesium

Blogs: Best CHEAP Zwift / Bike Trainer Desk | Theragun G3 vs $140 Bivi Percussive Massager | Normatec Pulse 2.0 vs Normatec Pulse | Speed Hound vs Normatec | Air Relax vs Normatec | Q1 2018 Blood Test Results | | Why HED JET+ Is The BEST value wheelset

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't he do a majority of his bike/run training indoors?

---

wovebike.com | Wove on instagram

.
.
Lionel looks like someone from Economy who has been invited to the First Class Lounge for the first time and doesn't know how it all works.
.
.

I agree, sub 7:30 is on tap and will be darn impressive.

S: 46
B: 4:01
R: 2:40
T1&2: 1 and change

---

wovebike.com | Wove on instagram

This is a good analogy actually. Did you see him ask Jan about the air pressure? Jan was like: "Uh no. I don't check that sh*t every day. We are racing head-to-head, you know, so we will both have to deal with the same air pressure."

"On July 18, they will race head-to-head in a fun and fast duel on the roads of southern Germany to settle the score on who is the fastest"

So getting schooled by the same guy (and a few others) for years does not count as settling the score.

Makes me wonder whether they (his own fan base) are going to break the guy mentally one day with this kind of pressure and unrealistic expectations. Picture Frodeno goes 7:30 and Sanders falls apart again.

Gee you guys can be sad...and dare I say pathetic in the petty mocking.

The context as always is key, it was actually Frodo who raised the topic of air pressure when discussing how quick the bike might be.

Sanders then went on to explain how when he was going for his hour record he was monitoring it as it can make a difference of 20 Watts. Frodo then gave the back hander of 'not checking that shit' which I thought was pretty rude and arrogant.

Absolutely, in a real race. I think he feels sorry for Lionel though. According to Talbot they want to promote the sport. I don't think Jan destroying Lionel on this "team event" makes sense. We will see though. I guess to your point he could be using Lionel to motivate him to a 140.6 record. Maybe Lionel knows that's the plan and is honored to be part of it.

---

http://www.sfuelsgolonger.com

No ST poll on this event?

If you listen to Lionel talk finishing every race he starts is paramount. It seems in his mind it is more important to finish what he starts on a given day even when things unravel than to pack it in and save it for another race. He just has a totally different mindset from most pro level athletes.

I personally like it as it's more I'm line with the approach of the rank and file age group athlete who does not have another race to save it for. We get that race on that day and get it done fast or slow but we get it done because on Monday we go to our day job and make money and don't have an option of going to another race. Lionel has the option of another race and he can't get money going to the office on Monday but he still plows thru like the rest of us. This is why so many amateurs join his fan club . He is a faster version of us.

I wasn't a fan of LS at the start when he arrived. I've grown to respect his approach and like the down to earth blue collar bust yer rear approach, no excuses. Agree with Dev, he is a faster version of us.

This is nothing more than a *ick swing contest and media draw, hopefully bringing $$ to their or sponsor pockets. LS has 'Jan envy" so that will give him an M.O. to chase--but mentally gives some power away due to that envy. He's also beaten himself up recently with lots of racing and when is the last time you saw Jan lose? It's been a while. How many have beaten LS in that time period? Quite a few. This will pan out 1 of 2 ways. Either Jan makes a show of it to make it closer for television...or he just get a lead from the get go & it gets larger & larger of a lead--mentally cracking LS until he is crawling but won't drop. The off chance there is a flat or mechanical is always there though. Win goes to Jan.

Crossposting, sorry:
It looks like it’s going to be chilly, wet and slow.
Wonder how that ramp deals with rain?
They better have their data uplinks flood-proofed.
Tucson-Lionel might feel the inner cold before he even gets to the run….

Can't get over how cool Jan is in that latest Lionel video. And he's even managed to fool everyone into thinking this is about a one-on-one battle when he's actually getting paid big $ to smash the world record. What an f'ing rockstar.

I don't follow enough of his training but I watched the video today and he did a simulation out on the bike that was outside. He looked like death imho. The thing about Tucson is the bottles quickly become very warm so you are drinking very warm fluids. This is even with a frozen cooler bottles. They just don't last. After May 1st your training becomes very restricted in Tucson but hopefully he was smart enough to do much training indoors. I don't care if it is 110 in Coeur D'Alene. The radiant energy of 110 in Tucson in the summer is next level.

---

---

Save: $50 on Speed Hound Recovery Boots | $20 on Air Relax| $100 on Normatec| 15% on Most Absorbable Magnesium

Blogs: Best CHEAP Zwift / Bike Trainer Desk | Theragun G3 vs $140 Bivi Percussive Massager | Normatec Pulse 2.0 vs Normatec Pulse | Speed Hound vs Normatec | Air Relax vs Normatec | Q1 2018 Blood Test Results | | Why HED JET+ Is The BEST value wheelset

Do you care?
Not even a little?

---

***

Not a chance. He would literally crawl before flying halfway around the globe to challenge Jan then stopping to help KQ chances. I’m not saying that is smart, but he just won’t do it.

I could, however, see Jan racing in a way (just slightly slower swim pace and not biking quite as hard as he could) to allow Lionel to save a little face and force Jan to have to work a little on the run.

I was not trying to mock him. To me, as I stated, it was easy to see how awestruck he was. Maybe the editing did not help him but I would be surprised if even the most ardent LS fans did not notice that.

I saw it too and couldn't grasp his preparation. At the very beginning he's pumping tires and talking about the heat. His shorts are covered in salt. He then says he lost 10lbs during his training session. Then proceeds to talk about most pros getting out of Tuscon in the summer due to the extreme heat. His stubbornness needs to be reigned in. He seems he'll bent on self destruction. I think he just likes punishing himself event to his detriment. I really like the guy but I do think a sport psychologist would help him harness his energy more positively to his benefit.

This is a good analogy actually. Did you see him ask Jan about the air pressure? Jan was like: "Uh no. I don't check that sh*t every day. We are racing head-to-head, you know, so we will both have to deal with the same air pressure."[/quote]

Gee you guys can be sad...and dare I say pathetic in the petty mocking.

The context as always is key, it was actually Frodo who raised the topic of air pressure when discussing how quick the bike might be.

Sanders then went on to explain how when he was going for his hour record he was monitoring it as it can make a difference of 20 Watts. Frodo then gave the back hander of 'not checking that shit' which I thought was pretty rude and arrogant.[/quote]

I was not trying to mock him. To me, as I stated, it was easy to see how awestruck he was. Maybe the editing did not help him but I would be surprised if even the most ardent LS fans did not notice that.[/quote]----
.
.
Unfortunately this is the way social media seems to work these days. You are either 100% with me or 100% against me with no in between,and here if anything can be interpreted as anti-Lionel then you are a "hater".
.
We both were making harmless "observations" and no matter how many times we say we actually like Lionel we may as well have kicked somebody's puppy.
.
Personally I think teasing the rabid,blind faith,emotionally over invested Lionel fans is where the entertainment really lies.
.

Normally he would be in Windsor right now.

---

Washed up footy player turned Triathlete.

This is not a race (still can't believe people here thinks it will be real) in any sense of the word, but simple theater where Jan will direct every scene from curtain up to curtain down but will on occasion allow his junior study to have a line or 2 in the play.

Great video as always, Talbot. I'm a huge fanboi of Lionel and Jan, but all of this set up with inviting Lionel to come to Germany seems a little like my mom inviting the turkey to Thanksgiving dinner.

.
.
.
HAHAHAHA...You win..
.

If Jan's aim as others have mentioned is to beat the IM distance record, this is probably the way to go. Swim 5 mins slower and let Lionel draft, then work together on the bike, which will give him a better bike split and leave him fresher for the run.

I like Lionel but I think this is going to be the Frodo show. He'll lead from the get go........

No one has mentioned that what Jan has put together here is pretty impressive!! He’s set up a pretty cool event that perhaps becomes an annual Mano a Mano event each year, for the two best athletes each year.

As for the race, agreed Jan is going for the world record.

Worried about Lionel’s performance I don’t think he has figured out the IM distance. He will finish either way.

The best thing that can happen to Lionel is that he can learn from Jan throat his experience.

Everyone talks about how much money they are making, I realize it’s speculation but can someone explain how?

Do you think anyone is expecting Lionel to come out of the water first?

It's more like 6-7 minutes, remember Sanders will not have anyone to draft in the water whereas Frodeno can lead the swim on 46 minutes (IM Austria 2017 comes to mind).

I don't see him giving away this much time and then assuming Sanders will work with him. Worst case scenario, this would allow Sanders to legally draft and him having to lead anyways.

My prediction, Frodo is going hard from the gun.

How is this event cool? I hate the concept of a field of two professional triathletes competing at a 140.6. The distance is already boring af from a spectator standpoint and this is worse.

If one of them has a mechanical, bonks, etc., it's over. If one of them gets a big lead the race is pretty much over.

Finally, as much as I respect and admire Lionel he's not on Jan's level. Beat him in Kona or anywhere else for that matter in a sanctioned race. Lionel is coming off a really bad race and I'm just not sure this event does him any favors. The big question is how does Jan get motivated for this event? He's never lost to Lionel. I actually wish they weren't doing this. I'd so much rather see Lionel focus on a KQ and see if he can win against the field there. That would impress me.

Since reading the comments and seeing the videos, my guess is Jan had this course and World Record attempt planned before trolling the public asking for a challenge. Lionel responded and Jan said, sure Lionel come on over and race me. You won't be in my way.

---

http://www.sfuelsgolonger.com

It does appear Frodeno is using Sanders as a domestique for an attempt at the WR. I guess this adds another wrinkle. What an odd event.

I did find Frodeno to be pretty aloof in Lionel's latest video. He didn't exactly seem very relatable. Sanders seemed awestruck. The whole thing is so odd.

Agreed Jan had this in mind all along for a world record but Lionel and Instagram helped turn this into a race.

They are doing everything to make this course as fast as possible. Banked turns, a wire to follow along in the water ALA Lake Placid, they even made the run turn arounds less obtuse so no time is lost.

Just that alone makes it worth watching and the fact that there will be real time streamed data, watts HR this is a first.

It is in the middle of the night for me so not sure if I want to miss sleep to watch this.

Canyon just delivered Lionel a new Green Canyon for the race. C'mon Nike, send him some green kicks.

Just an FYI. Lionel did beat Jan in 2017 at Kona. On any given day, anyone can bonk and lose it. Even the GOAT. It happens. Is this the only way in hell Lionel beats Jan this weekend. Yes. Absolutely. But that's why we race every year and not just give the trophy to the #1 ranked triathlete in the world. As the saying goes....On any given Sunday...

Cheers

Quinner

The silver canyon looked great, but this green one even better. Very nice!

Jan races off the front all day on his own, or "racing his shadow" as he calls it, so no big difference to any big solo training day for him.

The question is if swimming and biking through others is usually a boost or blocker for Lionel?

Jans pb is 7,35 in Roth, very hilly and he had a crash or flat tyre, and the course is a few km short. Coming back and breaking 7,30 in front of the Roth crowds would have been insane atmosphere. But this event format is covid proof. The main threat is the wind Sunday, it's been nearly stormy this week

Basically a high paid training day for him? I can see that. Just enough to say "yup, I won" and didn't have to dig deep but also showed that he "took it easy" and is THAT great.

Or he just buries him and makes the "I am the F---ing best. No one is close. I buried this guy who wanted a piece of this greatness. Everyone else take note." But i'm with you, I think he just does enough that everyone sees he didn't dig that deep and still was in complete control.

1. I noticed Lionel wearing a long sleeve shirt under the jersey, so he won't sweat much there. He will finish the race no matter what and give everything he got as usual. He's just that kind of guy.

2. He's a small town guy just traveled to overseas. Lots of people have experienced that at some point in their lives. He travelled there to race head to head with GOAT, so you can tell he's nervous and under pressure. Most of all, he was not over with jet lag yet.

3. I'm not sure if Canyon will keep the silver one and he will take the green one home, but that's very nice gesture from Canyon. Headquarter is there, so giving him a new bike makes perfect sense. I liked the silver one but definitely green one looks better on him since he used to ride several green LG bikes back in the day.

4. I've noticed Lionel is kinda quiet lately. He talked a lot before the race, but he couldn't deliver, so maybe he's trying to keep his mouth shut and deliver this time? I don't know what's going through his mind, but I felt he's bit different in the latest video.

5. Looks like the whole little town is in it for this race. Jan will go for the record and LS will try his ass off to chase him, so I'm pretty sure it's going to be entertaining. I don't know about other people, but just watching fast pros racing is very entertaining for me.

I am new to spectating triathlon in general (especially IM distance) and find the competition pretty novel. Maybe not the race by itself, but the whole event is kind of neat to me. Kind of like the Collins Cup as far as it being something different (though I certainly expect that to be more competitive than this).

Jan vs Lionel is an exhibition. If there is a market for it and the athletes want to do it, then maybe it's an event that can be done again.

---

80/20 Endurance Ambassador

If he really counted on help for the record, he would have enlisted a strong swim/biker from the American Continent.
Sanders is the biggest PR magnet right now for the Americas, when you look at it from a media/advertisement perspective.

So when Sanders challenged, Frodeno and his Managers probably considered the trade-off:
Hire a less-prominent rabbit or get better advertising/marketing exposure with Sanders. Frodeno was likely sure he got this without a rabbit.
OK then, Sanders it is!
In the end it‘s just a big marketing event.

Will be interesting to see if it turns out as planned.

I think the biggest benefit of this event is the Zwift component. I truly believe that if done well, the ability for people to ride and run alongside pros in events could benefit the sport and pros.

In my ideal scenario, Zwift has commercials integrated into the platform and live video coverage of the event in addition to the avatars. Further, Zwift would benefit from recognizing the 'double legitimacy' issue that will either allow this format to succeed or possibly sink it:

• people using Zwift to ride and run along with the pro's need to abide by Zwift's existing calibration and validation protocol, otherwise no-names on Zwift are beating the pros, and the draw and novelty to 'race alongside the pro's is lost, and this is a motivating factor above and beyond the normal Zwift experience.
• Zwift needs to profit off of advertising in addition to subscriptions and publicly promote the dollar amount pro's are earning, because this bring further legitimacy needed to motivate and entice people to 'race alongside the pro's'. The moment the public is seeing no-names beating the pro's or sense the pro's are not valued within the sport and held on a ridiculous pedestal as signaled by huge paychecks, the motivation to show up and race them on Zwift diminishes.

Last, in my ideal scenario, this Zwift interaction with live pro events becomes commonplace in triathlon, pro cycling, and running races.

---

wovebike.com | Wove on instagram

Ride alongside the Pros?
You mean like ride/run hours behind them?
Unless these Zwifters are using their power drills, almost nobody is going to be even in the same city-code as these two.

I mean they could probably keep up for a segment or two of the multi-lap course....or a relay?
But agree, if those riding along are not validated or calibrated, it would be just a gong-show.
Maybe Zwift could come up with some sort of handicap system?

I forgot to add: for people who don't want to the validation process (which is pretty stringent!) they have to race a game-i-fied version that allows them to keep up while eating mushrooms and shi*t and getting huge, or whatever happens in video games

---

wovebike.com | Wove on instagram

The paint job of Lionel's new rig makes me want a canyon so bad, that green is sexy.

---

Washed up footy player turned Triathlete.

Amen brother. I have always wanted one but man that green looks SO GOOD! He definitely beats Frodeno for the bike look!

Guys.
It's fugly.

There's an interview with Macca about the Tri Battle Royale in the latest MX Endurance podcast episode. I liked it, and it really felt unbiased - Macca is a Lionel fan, so are the hosts, but none of them smoke crack.

---

"FTP is a bit 2015, don't you think?" - Gustav Iden

what for? :D
Jan can win with just one leg... I think it is a very unbalanced head to head... give me Ryf vs Lucy Charles, but:
IM distance, Lionel does not manage the distance well
Jan is very superior in the swim and the run. Bike, they can be almost equal....

So...I cant see the point of this battle. I give 99% to Jan, 1% to Lionel. If they come close it is because jan will not force the engine.
And I think LS is a cool guy....

---

Spaniard. Sorry for my english for the sensitive ones :P

Yeah, muscle car green is a fantastic choice🍏Hot rod Sunday!

There has been torrential rain with tragic flooding over Germany over the last 48hours. 80 dead and many missing. Windy too.

This forecast says the weather system might move away from Germany this weekend:
BBC News - More flooding for Europe
https://www.bbc.co.uk/...er/features/57849597

i've been wondering the same thing.

for zwift as the title sponsor, i guess they've done the math and figured that a real-world event will draw new subscribers or position their brand in a good way. and i think lionel and jan are two of the more popular athletes on zwift.

for canyon, it's exposure, but it's a two-man event where a dude on a canyon will beat . . . a dude on a canyon.

for all the rest of their sponsors (asics, freshii, gatorade, etc), i just don't see it. yeah, they'll get some exposure, but not more than they would at a normal race. so i don't see why they would pony up new money specifically for this.

the regional governments are supporting, i guess, with things like road closures. even there, though, it's not like roth where you're going to have thousands of spectators and a huge boom for local business.

don't get me wrong - i love both these guys and hope they make a million bucks each. god knows it's tough enough to make a go of it in tri. but i just remain sort of confused about the whole thing. about the purpose, the parameters, the location. the majority of the stuff i'm finding on youtube is german. it's friday and there's nothing about it on slowtwitch. europe's attention has been totally on the euro cup, and a little bit on wimbledon and le tour. now germany is reeling under deadly floods and the weather forecast for this weekend is crap. it's all just weird.

anyway i hope it comes together and it's a great event for everyone.

---

____________________________________
https://lshtm.academia.edu/MikeCallaghan

http://howtobeswiss.blogspot.ch/

Lional probably has a fair bit of nerves right now. There is a chance he could get really embarrassed, and he is a very prideful man and wears his heart on his sleeve. He is one of the more open pro athletes and coming from the age group ranks near the bottom people can relate. After what happened in his last ironman his confidence has to be low and he could have a bad race again. We know Lional can push himself really hard up to the half marathon point, after that we will have to wait and see how he goes on the day.

More gold from Talbot.

Lionel's eyes seeing that green machine says it all.

Beauty video Talbot. Lionel looks a lot better and more relaxed. Sweet looking ride as well.
Hopefully the weather plays ball on Sunday and we can watch a historic race.

Cheers!

Quinner

He was for sure invited for those reasons and not because he gets the most clicks, likes, and views.

Great video Talbot!

The content of the video and the positioning of this event has shifted considerably since the first "challenge" that Lionel put out there. Obviously CdA plays a role but even in this whole video, Lionel is deferential to Jan (vs even the title of the whole thing: "Battle"). He talks about how Jan is going to be close to sub-7:35, how he was "chosen" to be there vs a challenger and admits that he cannot be confident going into a race with a triathlete of Jan's stature. Jan calls the event a WR attempt which is brilliant and I cannot wait to see how it pans out but we all know that a "Battle" and "WR attempt" are different things.

As a long-time admirer of Lionel, I hope he doesn't leave it all out there on Sunday, only to spend the next year wondering why he didn't prioritize training and Kona.

Talbot with the spicy questions!

Nice to see Lionel getting the red carpet treatment from canyon! That silver bullet is a trainer bike now or what?

Pros get new bikes every year, but I saw his old garneau bike on the trainer in one of his vids, so yes, probably trainer bike.

Plus now they have a spare bike TdF style for mechanicals/flats on race day. They wouldn't do this whole "Jan setting the record/battle to the death" show and not have contingency for a flat.

He got 2. ;)

I'm so tired of Lionel kissing Jan's ass. He's a bigger fanboy than ST posters are fanboys of Lionel. It's a bit nauseating and embarrassing. Respect is one thing, but kissing ass continually and looking totally awestruck is getting old.

In my mind Lionel had already lost. You go there with the intention of victory. You don't go for a big schmoozefest. The whole thing with Jan's face painted on Erin's backside is really out there. It may be in good fun, but a battle should be between two guys that want win and are of similar ability. A guy like Macca would never show up with Lionel's mindset. Macca would go with the attitude that he's going to will himself to win no matter what.

dont believe everything you see on camera.

Great video Talbot! Always raw and asking those questions we are all wondering about. Lionel seems grateful for the opportunity! I really hope he puts it together on Sunday on the second half of the run.
Did I hear him say his “new“ coach. He still shows up on DTD website?

I see what you're saying, but it is actually what the viewers are seeing. As others have stated Jan appears to be nonchalant and Lionel humble to the point of falling all over Jan.

I'm glad they're not spewing baseless trash talk, but a strong level of confidence from both guys isn't visible in the videos. Just passing along what we're actually seeing as spectators.

By the way your video production and content is solid. Keep it coming as we all enjoy it.

He was joking about Wurf being his new coach. Which would be hilarious.

To no one in particular....
I think that people are using the wrong definition of "battle". Most people think of the word battle as when people combat outside forces or things outside of themselves. For Lionel, this event and the runup to it is a battle within his mind. He is battling the limits that he has within his mind of himself and how he compares to Jan. I might even use the word "idol" as how it appears that Lionel views Jan. That is a tough thing to fight against. Lionel is trying to get to know his idol better not so he can beat Jan, but so he can better battle himself...of course, I don't know. I am just trying to put myself in Lionel's shoes as an addict trying to compete against someone he looks up to. I have been in that situation. Of course, not on as public of a stage, but a similar situation nonetheless.

man, you're working really hard on establishing a brand here.

---

____________________________________
https://lshtm.academia.edu/MikeCallaghan

http://howtobeswiss.blogspot.ch/

I am already impressed that Jan can actually organize a personal event like this. Road closures, permits, marketing, coverage, lead vehicles, swim course markers, turn around ramps.....pretty cool clout....plus sealing his goat status

Could this become an annual Jans invitational event? Top 10 to 20 athletes from around the world get invited to race the world's fastest course at the Jan Frodeno invitational battle tri. Jan would basically be like the guy with a claw in Enter the Dragon.

That would be very cool if this would become an annual event!

Ooo, agreed - that would be interesting. The Jan Invitational, or something. I was thinking more exhibitions like this would be fun. If the money is there, I am sure folks would be interested. Maybe like a few head to head matches? Undercards? Or maybe trying to turn it into a combat sport isn't the right angle.

---

80/20 Endurance Ambassador

yeah - to my mind that's the way forward for this.

---

____________________________________
https://lshtm.academia.edu/MikeCallaghan

http://howtobeswiss.blogspot.ch/

I am already impressed that Jan can actually organize a personal event like this. Road closures, permits, marketing, coverage, lead vehicles, swim course markers, turn around ramps.....pretty cool clout....plus sealing his goat status //

And not just these logistics, but Jan will be showing us the future of how ironman's will be raced and viewed by us fans. We will see lead vehicles behind the riders, there will be ramps to dampen the slow down of turns, transitions that allow the fastest change possible, metrics from the riders we have never seen(well in triathlon) before, and much more. We will finally see Jan's power and HR numbers during an actual race effort. It will be fun to see Lionel doing 300+ watts at 120+HR. People will finally realize that those numbers are individual, and not really something to compare to the rest of us. We will finally get to see a GPS tracking like distance graphic, and how it moves with all the athletes biometrics.


That is what this race is besides an attempt at going really, really fast, the future of how we will continue to be fans...

bretzky? you mean the guy that steals everyone's video footage and makes it look like his own?

True, the biometrics will be a world first. Even tdf didn't like to share those. So that's pretty exciting

Thier bikes look comparable as 1x power meter mono riser aeromax , except one major difference:
Is Lionel running a round bottle in the down tube while Jan has a ergonomic and almost invisible (to eye and wind) bta system?

good point - i really hope this pushes other races (looking at you, ironman) to up their coverage game. you've had some of that with superleague and more recently PTO; when you add in the fact that the costs of things like cameras, editing, and drones are falling every year, it will hopefully add up to better coverage across the board.

---

____________________________________
https://lshtm.academia.edu/MikeCallaghan

http://howtobeswiss.blogspot.ch/

Hopefully there will be a replay or very few in the US are gonna see anything.

I haven't found a channel to record on locally (not unexpected)

I'm pretty sure you'll be able to find it on youtube.

Yep, liquid nutrition from bottles only for Sanders. No drink system.

Not sure how Jan will be fueling? Aero gel bottle(s)?

On paper Jan's setup is clearly faster. Also interesting was that Sanders runs level armpads on these tilted extensions.

Otherwise Jan said his strategy is to swim threshold, bike 300W and run 2:45 pace.

Not sure what Sanders set-up costs him watt-wise (smaller area), but he's gonna (have to) push more watts than Jan and also aims for a 2:45ish?

Jan clearly states in his interview that he is looking to go 3:45min/km so a 2:38 marathon. He also clearly states his ideal watts on the bike are 310W.

Oh good. It just takes some misinformation to flush out the Germans.
Not intentionall this time, as I went by what I had heard in a previous press release.
In my defense, I never claimed to speak German or have watched the Frodeno blurb.
The only German words I was told I needed to know are "Luscher" and: "Aschloch"?

So thanks for setting me 'zickezacke' and 'clearly' straight.

I am not German but I’d recommend you stop walking down the casual xenophobic path you seem to be.

I was simply correcting you on two important points as they pertain to a world record attempt.

 

What a great point. Lionel is as good at building an image and selling a narrative as Jan is at winning triathlons.

---

"FTP is a bit 2015, don't you think?" - Gustav Iden

Right, I see, I was falsifying information and am a xenophobe. You're out of bounds, buddy!

But to all the other Germans here:
Sorry!
(My excuse is that I apparently had a 'questionable' home stay)

He has a couple 'slip-ups' in his interview that make you take notice and maybe allow a glimpse on how he plans his race.
Right now, if you asked me after that interview, I'd put a couple bucks on him catching up to Frodeno on the bike and then 'pulling a Coer-d'Alene' on the run.
Pulling the plug at mile XX of the run may not be as dramatic and more calculated/gradually.

But again, just my opinion after watching his intonation, body language, etc.

Give the man a little more credit. He’s merely attempting to use honey to catch his bees.

Here is Dan's take on the upcoming battle:

https://www.slowtwitch.com/...s_Upon_Us__8001.html

WOW even Dan drank the YouTube Kool-Aid!!!

Respecting that Macca was a brilliant athlete, it is not just about willing yourself to win, however I get the mind set, that a true competitor isn't there just to to support or co star:

A guy like Macca would never show up with Lionel's mindset. Macca would go with the attitude that he's going to will himself to win no matter what.

Kona 2002 Macca gave up and DNF


Kona 2003 did 9:32 and came 59 th


Kona 2004 hitched a ride with Mark Allen


other year broke a cable when he saw that he wasn't going to win

Will this livestream have rewind enabled? I might miss the first hour but would like to watch it from the beginning

Next video is up...

Is this on YouTube?

It'll be streamed on Lionel's youtube channel so you should be able to rewind after it has finished and also during the race....at least that is how other livestreams have worked on youtube for me.

Yes it will be on Lionels YouTube and you can rewind.

thanks, this will be awesome. Between Cav chasing Merckx and Lionel chasing Jan, Sunday should be a great day for sports underdogs!

I say that Jan goes sub 7:40 and Lionel goes sub 7:50. Lionel is going to want to beat his time from IM Arizona (7:44?). Jan will want too beat his time from Roth (7:35).

As slowman wrote on the front page, Lionel does have a certain advantage to hit his goals in a pure ITT. I think he actually does better in an ITT than when others are around. In Challenge Daytona, the guy did an ITT and moved up to 4th with the main swim/bike pack waay ahead. Same for his Canadian hour record chasing the ghost of Jen Voigt which was his goal time (he got 51.3 kph).

Is this going to be a wetsuit swim? I assume so? Hopefully Lionel is over the travel and jetlag. I'd love to see him go under his IM Arizona time.

Lionels pb is 7'44 in Arizona heat
Jan's pb is 7'35 on a short course with hills and a flat tyre or crash

If it's going to be low wind and cooler temperature conditions and the course is optimized (swim guide cables, turn around ramps, short transition areas, good surface etc etc) then there is a chance to rewrite the pbs

Its great that the lead vehicles pace from behind the athletes, but it would also have been great to have a drone projecting the world record pace stripe on the road with a laser so you can see what Jan is chasing ala breaking 2

Nice work on the video. Say hi to Paul Kaye! I liked this quote from Lionel, "I don't want to pace him I want to drop him". It is cool how they are setting this up like a proper race unlike Kipchoge's sub 2 Nike exhibition circus.

That's a good take,

This is such a pioneering moment for pro TRI

Jan said he was seeking as many "finishlines as possible". Right now he is the reigning Kona champ, record holder aaaayund 39 years old at the same time as the covid crisis where any event is only penciled in. This event also stands up during a time where let's be honest pro prize purses and appearance fees are modest, event resources are low (covid), some events even debating relevance of pros, uncertainty of events being possible etc.....Jan is doing the impossible and making events irrelevant to him and Lionel as pro triathletes.
That is severing a pretty big umbilical cord. Anyone still doubting that Jan is goat? While this format was partially litmus tested with the abundent viewership of his successful solo ironman last year and perhaps also by the breaking 2 event. But now Jan proves that pro triathlon is a true spectator sport and triathlon not just a participation sport by hosting this exhibition event on his own! That's true clout. They are closing down the Autobahn for Jan and Lionel to bike for gods sake!!! All other pros and events are left in the cold. pro triathlon will be the winner at the end of the day when people realize how engaged people are to watch the build up and performances of popular pro athletes. For progression it would be great to see Jan partner put on more events. PTO comes to mind to provide a deep purse but they must represent the pro athletes as a body not just showcase 10-20 or so.

A good fair take on tomorrow's race:

https://triathlonmagazine.ca/...sanders-and-frodeno/

"Although Gustav Iden and Kristian Blummenfelt haven’t done a full-distance race, either of these two would have been better opponents for Frodeno."

Sick burn.

The comment on "game changing carbon shoes" is interesting as IIRC Jan runs in the non carbon Hoka.

Wow so many awesome details I did not know of!
Jan is really gunning for sub730 and don't want anyone being able to question it! No lead vehicles, certified course (which sucks as that makes it longer than 99% of all Im courses 🤔)

Not to mention the foam is mostly what makes them faster (which hoka doesn't have either?)

He's running in the Hoka rocket x 2 with carbon plate

Live feed on Lionel's youtube for North America, so should be good to go.


Two things stand out. For all the people that think this only happened because of a call out.

450 people are directly working on this race. That's a lot!

And anti-doping control for urine and blood. Expensive.

---

Washed up footy player turned Triathlete.

Yes, agreed. he also mentions the new faster shoes in his interview.

Frodeno has been working on this idea for a long time. He even had the permits secured last year but then decided to do tri at home instead. The idea has evolved but it was already well in the works when he made that post asking for a challenge.

Yeah this event has been planned for almost a year. I think there was a German interview where Jan mentioned they were supposed to do it earlier this year or late last year but had to delay due to injury.

I do think the invite to Lionel was not planned originally. Jan's original video was definitely planned with this event in mind but then Lionel jumped in and the opportunity/idea grew.

---

blog

The swim course looks to have exactly the rowing cables found in IMLP and Montreal bassin, where you simply don’t need to sight… it will be easy to navigate

Sanders will get drilled in this race, it should be all over about 500m into the swim, but I think to make "good television" Frodo will go easy on Sanders and make it look like a race. I wouldn't be surprised if they get off the bike together and then at some point Frodo will drop the hammer in the run.

You do know we're talking about a guy who is literally a world class cyclist here. (Who is not classically trained AT ALL) I don't think Jan will lose, but the disrespect Lionel gets on this board never makes sense to me.

---

Washed up footy player turned Triathlete.

i couldn't agree less with what you just wrote. first, frodeno is going for the record. he's not going to sit up to make good tv. second, the only thing that'll be over 500m into the swim is who exits the swim first, and they don't even need to get wet for us to know that.

---

Dan Empfield
aka Slowman

Frodeno will not show mercy if he is having a good day. He's going for the fastest ever time. Look at everything he had set up from getting permits, closing roads, anti doping, vehicles will be behind. Frodeno isn't doing this for good television. Everything is set up to prove his legacy and if he breaks the 735 he did in Roth he doesn't want people to say he has cheated. Hopefully Lional can make it interesting.

As has been said before: Just because people believe this is not a close match-up, does not mean anyone is disrespecting Lionel. Lionel is not a “world class cyclist”, even I know that. The course plays to his strengths in that it is about power vs cycling ability but there is really no indication based on past performance, 2021 form or preparation that suggests Lionel has a great shot here.

There is always a chance but the hype and expectation that people are trying to put on Lionel is likely actually more unfair to him than a realistic assessment of the situation.

A quick point of clarification: I have read people say that the bike leg is on the “Autobahn”. Don’t be surprised tomorrow, it is not. It is on B19 which is a “Bundesstraße” and also a major road but not an Autobahn (these are not surprisingly named with “A”).

I had, so maybe others have too, been wondering how he got an Autobahn shut down at all but especially during summer holidays in Germany.

Hold that thought of Lionel not being a world class cyclist. On the velodrome over the hour damn right is he is world class. he rode 51.3 kph at sea level with near zero former velodrome training and beat Jen Voigt's time. He holds the Canadian hour record and likely would smoke Canadian Michael Woods who is a world class cyclist (most recently duking it out for Polka dot and UCI Worlds Bronze in Innsbruck).

I would agree he is no world class cyclist on a technical protour road race, but on today's TT at the TdF Lionel would hold his own as he proved at the hour record.

Lionel has the most experience taking ramp turns , he might catapult through them at 45kph!

This is Sanders fanboyism at its best and very disrespectful towards Woods, who is one of the best cyclists in the world.

In a time trial, yes, maybe Sanders could beat Woods. In a road race, not a chance in hell.

You might struggle with this concept since you watch a lot of cycling but haven't figure it out yet, but road cycling encompasses much more than being a good time trialist.

I was talking about Lionel being world class over one hour on the velodrome. I said he would not be world class in a road race (for all the reasons we and he know). I think you just like to dive in any chance you can concoct to pick a fight with me. Woods has shown little ability in TTs to suggest he would take the canadian hour record on the velodrome. Bottom line Lionel has that record. No Canadian pro cyclist has ever gone that fast. They can give it a go if they want but they are not because it's not an easy number to defeat.

It is totally possible to be world class in one discipline. The discipline I was focused on is the hour record. And this one translates directly to this race with Jan.

I'd actually like to see a Woods vs Sanders duathlon. Woods is world class when it gets steep, but a horrific TT'er, bike handler, descender, and tactician. Also a 4 minute miler.

Forget about a duathlon. Cycling and the Hour record is not Lionel's main sport (it's just a side show that is part of prepping for tri) and the hour record is not Wood's main event (but the TT is just one component of road racing). Let's put them on the track back to back 2 hrs in Milton. Best man wins. I give Lionel 6 laps on Woods (meaning Woods does not break 50kph).

Lol have you seed Woods TT? Tour of Romandie Stage 5 he fell from 1st to 5th and looked like he'd have trouble winning a 40-45 AG title.

To be fair, you just said “world class cyclist” and did not specify. I think it is also fair that most people would assume that means the various components of cycling.

As for tonight, Jan is predicting 310W whereas Lionel has cited IMAZ type watts (>315). It is still very unlikely that Lionel will be able to match Jan off the bike after spending all his energy catching him. Lionel has also stated he wants to catch and pass him if possible on the bike. While that seems the only time he can catch him given past running performances, he has to know that if Jan sees him coming by, he will know the ridiculous amount of energy LS will have expended.

Triathlon is not a 1hour time trial or 112m time trial. Starky proves that every time he is run down.

OK I did say on the velodrome on the hour record he is and on a road stage no. But in case it is unclear, I just wrote it again. He's just world class in one discipline in cycling.

I think people are under estimating what Lionel is capable of if he is on. He did 7:44 at IM Arizona and that included a 2:42 run. His performance in St. George suggests he has similar fitness. Lets see if he can get back to proper pacing for IM

I hope he can too. I don’t mind being wrong on things like this. Being from Ireland, I am programmed to hope for the underdog.

I love all these “when Lionel catches Jan on the bike”. This race will be over after the swim. Two athletes in two different leagues.

BINGO!!!!!! This thought that its close is some Quanon crazy shit.

It would be helpful if people would apply some reading comprehension before they post. Most ppl are clearly stating that the bike would really only be his opportunity since he will be coming out of the water ages behind.

I am getting fed up with the 2 extreme sides of this debate. It is either Lionel is useless or Lionel is a god.

Forgot he was going for the record.

Is this event a full ironman? I just watched the youtube video and he said 2 loops of 750 meters for the swim?

---

Strava:https://www.strava.com/athletes/20890878

Yes, it has one of the components of a super shoe. And it's not the one that Nike said makes a difference.

Uno mas video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-pMqj3Bq1M


That wasn't Dev, that was me. And you know exactly what I was referencing. However, given that. I'd love to see him get an invite to a team. He has an elite level ability to just suffer and his ability to just pound watts in the TT position is immense.

So, to be clear, Lionel is World Class in the Individual Time Trial. He has proven this. And it's time for people to cut the crap and just admit he is a very good athlete and a really good pro.

For the record, I used to be a lionel denier...not sure you could call me a hater, but his previous desire to do everything indoors just irked me.

---

Washed up footy player turned Triathlete.

Apologies if I misattributed quotations earlier. I actually did not know what you meant until Dev clarified.

I agree, the man is an inspiration and a beast. Multiple things can be true. He can be that and still be mismatched here (even on a course set up for his strengths).

Still, I am hoping for a close race and a world record. It would be amazing.

I think someone only said that Lionel could compete in a pro tt when the other riders are on the 20th day of a tour after mountains

In case anyone is thinking of googling if they need to rotate the pace cars for charging.........Mercedes EQ has 478 mile range

How much time can the swim cable save? Will it favour one athlete more?

The zero distance transition could save one or two minutes. Plus nicer for muscles not to run in bare feet after biking. But could a relaxed transition actually help overall?

Was Kona 2019 the same year when Jan got the record and also waited to check on Sebastian because he got glass in his foot in the transition?

Totally agree. Of course it could happen: something could happen to force him to DNF. But anyone who thinks that's the likely outcome (tactically inspired or otherwise), hasn't listened to any of his discussions on what "no limits" actually means to him. It seems to me that "no limits" to Lionel is never more relevant than when applied to the decision of whether or not to DNF.

---

---------------------------------------------------------------

https://connect.garmin.com/modern/profile/domingjm

Jan looks nervous about breaking the record.

Lionel looks nervous racing against Jan.

OK monty, here we go.
you owe me a beer - first sunny day in 2 weeks and i'm staring at a screen!

swim warmup underway now. . .
lionel as usual was futzing with a HRM strap that didn't want to pair while jan was in the water getting a warmup in. now that the coverage has started it looks proper classy. actual talking heads with mics and a much clearer description of what the whole thing is about.

---

____________________________________
https://lshtm.academia.edu/MikeCallaghan

http://howtobeswiss.blogspot.ch/

sadly though, the coverage is also a bit glitchy - no audio for helle and paul, and some jumping back and forth.

anyway, only a few minutes to go!

---

____________________________________
https://lshtm.academia.edu/MikeCallaghan

http://howtobeswiss.blogspot.ch/

Hope they get the commentators mics fixed. Will be a real bummer to have that missing!

And fixed just in time for the start! Let's goooooooooooo!

Jan’s leading!!!!!!

here we goo!!!!

---

Tridad

well, 3.5 minutes in and the conditions look pretty glassy. jan is out front, maybe 10 meters ahead. no splits or pace data, yet.

---

____________________________________
https://lshtm.academia.edu/MikeCallaghan

http://howtobeswiss.blogspot.ch/

Jan is soooo far ahead on the swim. wow.

---

80/20 Endurance Ambassador

Conditions look absolutely perfect. Somebody is bound to have a very fast day (hopefully both!).

when the cannon fired at the swim start it looked like the guys were not ready. lionel's swim cap doesnt look to be on all the way and its looked that way since the start. i dont think he was all the way ready. :-(

---

80/20 Endurance Ambassador

Did you see Talbot's swim idea?

" Cut the whole swim course and take the 5 minute penalty and start the bike 45 minutes ahead" 😂

I feel like he always wears it like that... Drives me nuts, lol (it was like that in his warm up). The stats at 750m mark have a ~5 min gap predicted at the end of the swim, with Lionel on pace for a sub 50 swim.

ok! through 750m jan is swimming 1:12 pace and lionel is swimming 1:20 pace.
that gets them out in 44:45 and 49:41, respectively.

---

____________________________________
https://lshtm.academia.edu/MikeCallaghan

http://howtobeswiss.blogspot.ch/

Commentators proposed Ryf vs Charles TRI battle next

jan 2:09 up at the halfway point (or rather just before half). lionel still holding 1:20 pace, and jan just slightly slowed to 1:13.

---

____________________________________
https://lshtm.academia.edu/MikeCallaghan

http://howtobeswiss.blogspot.ch/

The projections they showed seemed incredibly wrong. Jan over 2 mins up already but will only finish 2:30 up. I think they got lionel's projection wrong it said he'd do 50 mins

Im really enjoying this

Yeah predicted times are weird, lionel is losing nearly a minute to Jan every ten minutes. He will be 4-5 mins down at the end of the swim.

yep.
water temps 18, and air temps 17. apparently super high humidity.

---

____________________________________
https://lshtm.academia.edu/MikeCallaghan

http://howtobeswiss.blogspot.ch/

lol

I love the guy but he wouldn't sniff the front of a world tour TT.

jan's lead ballooned way out between 80 and 100km, but it looks like lionel has clawed back ~30 seconds from 100 to 120km.

any they've finally fixed the link so they're getting video of lionel!

the weather looks like it might be improving, but still quite wet out there.

---

____________________________________
https://lshtm.academia.edu/MikeCallaghan

http://howtobeswiss.blogspot.ch/

Lionels position seems better than kona last time - less knees out

Lmao dude's comment is aging so poorly. Lionel's apparently world class yet has lost two minutes to Jan so far

sigh.

lionel rode 51.3k for the hour. that is a great performance and a canadian record by a long shot.

that is what bloody everyone meant when they referred to him as world-class.

---

____________________________________
https://lshtm.academia.edu/MikeCallaghan

http://howtobeswiss.blogspot.ch/

Yeah what a slow poke. Losing 2 minutes to the GOAT who is on 3:58 pace....

It's a great performance i'm not denying that but calling Lionel a world class cyclist is just stupid

Lionel is amazing and has great power. He is good at running after biking. He does not have close to the w/cda to be close to a world tour podium.

Exactly, Lionel could do sub 7:40 if he runs well and it’s not hot at all

Amen. We see Zwift Power.

Lionel's power will have been 40-50w down for the last 20k of the bike. Still loosing more time to Jan.

You can see Lionel watts are dropping I hope this isn’t the start of him blowing up.

The live casting of Jan's glucose levels is interesting.

I want to see it on the run.

From 140 to 160km Lionel lost over 2 minutes he’s dating other tail end of this bike.

Let’s hope the legs come back during the run

Jan like like he’s going to go sub 4 for the bike

2 chamois in his suit? or just a removable one?

so a sub-4 split for Jan, but another sluggish transition. between the transitions and the weather, I wonder if he'll reckon he could have gone faster today regardless of his final time...

ETA:
official: 3:55 for Jan!

---

____________________________________
https://lshtm.academia.edu/MikeCallaghan

http://howtobeswiss.blogspot.ch/

Think the PTO will update his bike percentage?

Lionel looks like he is hurting this is not looking good. 3:55 for Jan just wow

and a 4:00 for Lionel...

---

____________________________________
https://lshtm.academia.edu/MikeCallaghan

http://howtobeswiss.blogspot.ch/

9:30 gap after the bike. Hoping Lionel can keep it under 15 mins.

Probably. It does reflect that normally on the bike he does what he needs to to get it done, and probably does it a LOT easier than today in average watts (albeit with a much greater variance of intensity) due to bike train etc.

Just asking on the thread - I haven't followed along with Lionel's plans - is he racing Placid to try to KQ?

Would wonder what the crappy conditions today could play on his overall health + travel back to states. Doesn't seem would be conducive for a good race next week.

But... maybe he's not racing Placid, have no idea.

Frodeno just took a spill, didn't look good.

holy shit

Jan falls hard on the wet carpet at the turnaround

---

____________________________________
https://lshtm.academia.edu/MikeCallaghan

http://howtobeswiss.blogspot.ch/

slippery

You never wanna see that happen. I hope he’s ok.

Man down!

Jan goes down in the stadium making a turn on the wet carpet. Looks like he went down hard on his left hip.

Why are announcers saying the co dictions are so difficult? They put a white rope underwater they could follow. The bike is flat and the road looked like glass. “It’s raining”, but the temp is cool and a light rain can feel great. Imagine what you can do when you don’t have to worry about regulating body temp.

What is the current gap?

Is anyone here following along on Zwift? How is that going?

---

-------------
Ed O'Malley
www.VeloVetta.com
Founder of VeloVetta Cycling Shoes
Instagram • Facebook

Think it's 9-10 min right now.
Lionel behind Jan.

Maybe this has already ready been discussed elsewhere, so bear with me:

In case one of them eventually goes out and break Jan´s current WR on Ironman Distance. Will this count as a new WR ?

T

it is an officially sanctioned race, so I guess so...

---

____________________________________
https://lshtm.academia.edu/MikeCallaghan

http://howtobeswiss.blogspot.ch/

first hour of the run, Jan averaging 3:45 ace m Lionel 3:50 per km...

---

____________________________________
https://lshtm.academia.edu/MikeCallaghan

http://howtobeswiss.blogspot.ch/

​JF 5:24:12
LS 5:34:58..
the GAP is 10min 46 seconds-on timing mat

that spill onto the carpet by Jan was ugly-gotta hurt...really hate to see that...

Oh the live speak just discussed and confirmed that WR is real and looking good for both

I would suspect YES. Unlike the Breaking 2 attempt, they are following all rules and it IS considered a sanctioned race. So no drafting with an official(s) monitoring the bike, the aid stations had litter zones. The only thing that comes into question would be the ramp for the turn around on the bike (not against any rule but some might make it into an asterisk), the moto aid stations (again not against any rule but some might say it's not the same). But there have been no pacers (unless you want to make the argument that Jan is using Lionel to pace him via pushing him to not let Lionel win but that's a weak argument at best as there is no physical advantage).

looked like he came down hard on his hip ... I wonder if it will catch up to him later.

---

____________________________________
https://lshtm.academia.edu/MikeCallaghan

http://howtobeswiss.blogspot.ch/

His form still looks good right now but we'll see if it's still fine in 20k or so