Big Endian wrote:
h2ofun wrote:
My point was you accused me of not "hammering" training which has me ask you just do not get how old folks need to train, and still get to the starting line. Log this in when you get older and see if you are still racing. Sorry, just being honest.
No accusation intended. My father is a lot older than you and guiding him on bike training gives me adequate insight into how old folks need to train.
My point is that having a high proportion of recovery rides in your immediate history puts you in a position where if you start to do consistent harder efforts, irrespective of how you do them, you will likely pick up fitness. That is going to show up in your data as improved power vs. heart rate or vs. RPE. This can easily confound the result you and Frank are trying to establish.
The second point is that if you don't have a good picture of what your current fitness level is, then it is difficult to correlate today's results with those you obtained a week, a month, or six months ago.
If I was you (and based on testing I've done for some unrelated product development) I would at least do my comparison rides on a given day as A-B-A-B. If you only do an A-B set, you don't know if the second one is contaminated by accumulated fatigue, or accumulated warming-up, or what. Secondly, I would do a threshold fitness test so that, when I repeated that test a month or two from now, I'd be able to see how I should interpret the intermediate data.
In case it's not clear, these are my genuinely-trying-to-be-helpful suggestions to improve the quality of the data you're trying to collect.
All fair points but I have been riding compared to most I believe pretty hard. 3 days a week of intervals at 230 watts. 1 day Martis. I also have raced very hard during the entire year. So trust me, fitness is not an issue. Pushing a stroller with a grandkid in Nov in a 5 K at 19:53 again shows, I stay in shape.
But this is why we are like 3 months of collecting data and will continue. When I test at 175's, and then a few minutes later at 150's, or the next day the other way around, how is this data not valid? Again, trying to understand.
This is what most just do not understand. When I am asking why, I am asking trying to understand and saying thanks, by asking! I am NOT telling anyone that they are nuts am I?
I can only do so much of this testing, meaning, I still run for 30 to 90 minutes after the bike each day. Then I tend to work around my hilly lot all day long.
Would be great to do more testing in ways you are suggesting, I just only have so much in me doing this. If it becomes a chore, job, etc., I will stop.
So is it possible that maybe what we are doing is not perfect, but it is sure better than most that never collect data?
Thanks for the inputs. Just because we do not change, this second, does not mean we are not listening and adjusting!!!!!
And today I did not get to run long since I have to be Mr. Mom and babysit my sick grandkid. :(
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