This review for exemple :

https://fellrnr.com/wiki/Nike_Vaporfly_4%25

Oh, dude, I'm so cool. And apparently you did not really read my posts. That's OK. And I like the shoe.

Just stating some facts.

"an innovative company that makes racing shoes better than anyone else better than the planet right now"

Yes. It was true for the last 3 or 4 years. Kind of.

Is it still true ?

As someone else wrote in this forum (probably not a normal reading folk), "most of us know the gap is closing". So we expect some realistic and serious comparaison between the various new shoes coming out from Nike, Saucony, New Balance, and hopefully ASICS, Adidas, ... (I put Brooks out of the list, having seen first reviews of the Hyp Elite...).

Don't you think this is exactly the subject of this post (apart availability dates, prices, and some basic idolatry) ?

I have to back you with the 4%. I think if you are a slower runner this is exaggerated and with the flyknit certainly doesn't help as it doesn't support your heal well and it certainly is a soft ride that feels on the unstable side. Unless you have the laces locked hard on a downhill tighter bend it certainly is a sketchy shoe and had me on edge in my first race in them.

That being said on a non technical course where I am running around 4'/km the 4% it is an amazing shoe and I prefer it to the next% that is definitely more stable. I used to look at all shoes I was buying on fellrnr and I think they are spot on in their review. When you have such a soft shoe that compresses 4mm I think it stands to reason it would feel on the unstable side.

So 2/29 is the date when they should be released online. I have read though that this will be a one-off very limited release. My local running store has however mentioned that they expect a wider release in March. But not sure if this is their guess or an info coming from Nike...

I also read that the new trainer shoe would only be released after Tokyo. No idea for the spikes, and the new iteration of the turbo (« turbo next »).

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He has thrust himself into that pantheon of other STers I so admire.(pink)

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I’m really interested in the trainer if it’s better than the Pegasus turbo

I was told worldwide release 2/29 in limited quantities with a wider March launch. Seems like it matches up with what you know. I ran in a pair as a tester that I think were over 40mm stack height, but I'm not sure. I'll be curious how the production shoes stack up.

I saw one article that the stack height is higher than 40 in the bigger sizes. But in the sub 9/10 size it’s fine. So not sure what they are doing with the runners with bigger feet.

Yeah that looks like a quality trainer. I bet they price it at or around or slightly above the Zoom Fly 3 pricing.

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This is my worry for the shoe during a triathlon. The 4% knit was awful in long distances for me. Soaked up sweat and fluids and made running even more not fun : ) The Next% has a great upper material that did a great job shedding fluids...I'm not sure the Alpha will be a good upgrade for long tris without the vaporweave.

Hopefully it is not as heavy as the ZF3

Personally I could care less about weight for a trainer. I want everything to last a while and if that involves more rubber, stitching and material that's fine. A light weight training shoe that wears out too quickly means you are just buying more sooner or running in something that isn't in great shape once it's worn.

Race shoes, yes, as light as possible.

Yep it's the right place - but they actually need to release some shoes first instead of saying 'we have prototypes'... Nike have got vf4%'s, which have already been conclusively tested & found to be faster. Then the next %, and now the alphafly's. Every other brand is 3 models behind (subject to availability, pricing, and testing)

Yeah, I think I've seen the 2/29 date floated around somewhere for pre-release, and 3/15 for the official one for the alphafly?

Would be interesting to see if they only release the alphafly by itself, which means all track Nike athletes can't wear the new stuff - or if they release it all at once

The track spikes aren’t legal they need a redesign. So they won’t be getting released.

The sprint spikes, sure. What about the ones we've seen Evan Jager use recently?

Saw a post with a video of someone at Nike talking and said that the 40 stack height was necessary in one size of the shoe to get approval. Knowing that smaller feet needed less stack and larger feet would have more. No clue how much difference though.

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Bought a pair of the ZoomX Vaporflys. They are bouncey. Weird feeling. First run in them tomorrow.

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There is not a shoe called “ZoomX Vaporflys.”

There is the Vaporfly 4% and Vaporfly Next% - both have ZoomX foam.

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I would love to buy a pair of the Vaporfly Next% but I’m in Australia and they have disappeared from the web site (about a week ago). Even though they are showing good availability in the US Nike site, for Australia (and all other countries I checked) they are unavailable :(.

Plus they must be what, $600 in Australia?

Running Warehouse ships internationally

https://www.runningwarehouse.com/catpage-MVAPORFLY.html

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