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Re: QFT: Paulo Sousa on Swimming [kdw] [ In reply to ]
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kdw wrote:
anyone that has been reading smartasscoach for years, you do not sound like Paulo.....So I believes you

No way Paulo would have taken 2 tries to spell Authority properly.

Love him or hate him at least Paulo actually didn't make his comments anonymously. But he's the Authority, so we just have to take his word for it........



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Re: QFT: Paulo Sousa on Swimming [kdw] [ In reply to ]
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kdw wrote:
No way Paulo would have taken 2 tries to spell Authority properly.

Oops. Sorry Paulo - my bad. I just never saw them post to the same thread at precisely the same time.

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Re: QFT: Paulo Sousa on Swimming [STP] [ In reply to ]
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I don't have a dog in this fight but it is more than a little unfair to suggest that the ONLY criteria for judging how successful a coach or trainer is by how many elite athletes they coach and how successfull those elite athletes are. That criteria is only relevant if you are an elite athlete shopping for a coach.


I've spent alot of time around swimming and swim coaches and have even done some coaching myself. I will say that the elite coaches I know are rightly quite proud of what their elite swimmers have done, championships they've won, etc. But, to a man and woman, they also our quite proud of the lesser mortals they have somehow gotten to shine under their tutalage.

Plus, any decent coach would probably admit it is harder to get someone to drop from a 2:00 to 1:15 100 yd free than it is to get a highly talented but not fullly developed guy to drop from :47 to :45. The guy who goes :45 started out at 1:15 the first time he swam a 100 yd race at 9 years old, he shows up to train 11 times a week 45-50 weeks a year, goes years between missed practices and generally does exactly what you tell him to do pretty close to perfectly the first or second time you tell him. Coaching at that level is pretty easy in many respects. Its much more about being a counsolor, guide and phsycologist than a physio trainer.

Now, take the overweight lady who signs up for a 3 days a week program, misses practice occassionaly and generally has no clue how to swim or even what it really means to train, and eeking any improvement out of that is an accomplishment.

Are you really contending that it is easier to get from a 47 to a 45 in the 100yd free than it is to go from a 2:00 to a 1:15?

Not to be insulting, (but I will be anyway), but that is effing retarded.

Sorry to tell you this, but in most cases, when you first get started in a sport and "take it seriously" you see your biggest gains in the first few years. It is exponentially harder to get from fast (:47) to really fast (:45) to world class (:40-:43). Those are really big jumps and many people who had no problem dropping from a 2:00 to a :50 100yd free will NEVER even sniff at a :45. 2s doesn't sound like much, but when you're already swimming a 100yd free in 47, 2 seconds is a BIG freakind difference.

Do you also think it is easier to go from a 54 to a 53min 40k TT vs going from a 1:30 to a 1:20? How about a 17min to a 16min 5k vs a 30min to a 25min.

Jeesh...I started swimming in HS and granted I was a distance guy...but in my very first season I dropped from a 2:00 to at least a 1:15 in my 100yd free...7 years later of hard competitive swimming I wouldn't have even sniffed at a 45. But I wasn't a sprinter...sprinters are pansies. They prance around the pool deck all practice afraid to get wet. Then maybe they swim a couple 50's and go shower. Total wimps.

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Re: QFT: Paulo Sousa on Swimming [BeachboyWI] [ In reply to ]
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No. You missed all my qualifiers. I know exactly what it takes to get from 47 to 45. (Frankly, I know alot more about that than I do about how to get from 2:00 to 1:15)

What I said was that if you take a kid who is already going 47 and is not fully developed swimmingwise, it may very well be easier to get that kid to go 45. More importantly, getting those last 2 seconds is in many ways a different kind of coaching than getting from 2:00 to 1:15.
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Re: QFT: Paulo Sousa on Swimming [BeachboyWI] [ In reply to ]
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BeachboyWI wrote:
STP wrote:
I don't have a dog in this fight but it is more than a little unfair to suggest that the ONLY criteria for judging how successful a coach or trainer is by how many elite athletes they coach and how successfull those elite athletes are. That criteria is only relevant if you are an elite athlete shopping for a coach.


I've spent alot of time around swimming and swim coaches and have even done some coaching myself. I will say that the elite coaches I know are rightly quite proud of what their elite swimmers have done, championships they've won, etc. But, to a man and woman, they also our quite proud of the lesser mortals they have somehow gotten to shine under their tutalage.

Plus, any decent coach would probably admit it is harder to get someone to drop from a 2:00 to 1:15 100 yd free than it is to get a highly talented but not fullly developed guy to drop from :47 to :45. The guy who goes :45 started out at 1:15 the first time he swam a 100 yd race at 9 years old, he shows up to train 11 times a week 45-50 weeks a year, goes years between missed practices and generally does exactly what you tell him to do pretty close to perfectly the first or second time you tell him. Coaching at that level is pretty easy in many respects. Its much more about being a counsolor, guide and phsycologist than a physio trainer.

Now, take the overweight lady who signs up for a 3 days a week program, misses practice occassionaly and generally has no clue how to swim or even what it really means to train, and eeking any improvement out of that is an accomplishment.


Are you really contending that it is easier to get from a 47 to a 45 in the 100yd free than it is to go from a 2:00 to a 1:15?

Not to be insulting, (but I will be anyway), but that is effing retarded.

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Re: QFT: Paulo Sousa on Swimming [robertwb] [ In reply to ]
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robertwb wrote:
kdw wrote:

No way Paulo would have taken 2 tries to spell Authority properly.


Oops. Sorry Paulo - my bad. I just never saw them post to the same thread at precisely the same time.

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Re: QFT: Paulo Sousa on Swimming [robertwb] [ In reply to ]
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robertwb wrote:

So, since you want to compare resumes, and you're NOT Paulo, then, who pray tell are you sir?

I am The Authority. Melting Pot and I have a lot in common.
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Re: QFT: Paulo Sousa on Swimming [The Authority] [ In reply to ]
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The Authority wrote:
The difference between you and coaches like Brett Sutton or Joel Filliol is that those guys work is evaluated solely on results. If their athletes don't get results at the highest level, they don't put food on the table. As for coaches like you (are you even a coach?) is that you have your philosophical views of what is swim coaching, but the bottom line is that if your clients don't get results, it's all the same to you, they already bought your snake oil. Look at that guy that posts here, caf0. He bought the oil and improved from 2:00/100 to 1:52/100. That isridculous!!! So... between listening to what Sutton or Flliol say or what you're saying, excuse me when I go with the opinion of people that actually know what they're talking about because they're out there doing it... everyday.

Let me get this straight. You think robertwb is selling snake oil (at the huge cost of $70)
because one example athlete he coached didn't get spectacular gains? I think you need to take
a second look. There are lots of happy FF customers (such as myself) who think this is one of
the best deals they've ever had. I can't speak to whether his opinion is better than some other
coach(s), but it isn't the uninformed shitty opinion that your implying.
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Re: QFT: Paulo Sousa on Swimming [noahman] [ In reply to ]
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noahman wrote:
Making an obvious point here but it's taken me a while to get it. Coming from a running background, the amount of over-distance training for swimming has astounded me. To use the quote above, if I swim 40K per week to race an oly 1.5K, then I'd be running 267K per week to race a 10K. Of course that's nuts, and training times & distances don't scale across sports like that. But since I only started swimming a year ago I fell for similar logic. As in, "I'm only swimming ~2100yd in a 70.3 so swimming 2500yd three times per week is more than enough..."

Except there are guys running more than 267k per week for the 10k. Cam Levins the Canadian xc champ and 4th at NCAA said in an interview here http://runnersfeed.com/...champion-cam-levins/. He said he would run 250+ miles a week to get ready for xc which is 10k

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Re: QFT: Paulo Sousa on Swimming [doTheRunningMan] [ In reply to ]
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Except there are guys running more than 267k per week for the 10k. Cam Levins the Canadian xc champ and 4th at NCAA said in an interview here http://runnersfeed.com/...champion-cam-levins/. He said he would run 250+ miles a week to get ready for xc which is 10k
Nothing like mentioning something COMPLETELY outside the norm (even by elite running standards) to prove your point. I mean seriously, running >150mpw at the elite level is outside the norm, 250? Come on now.

This whole thread is such an effing joke. The post that said something about If someone asks what ST is all about, they would point them to this thread, nailed it.
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Re: QFT: Paulo Sousa on Swimming [The Authority] [ In reply to ]
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This is an angry thread. Is it even about swimming anymore?
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Re: QFT: Paulo Sousa on Swimming [STP] [ In reply to ]
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STP wrote:
No. You missed all my qualifiers. I know exactly what it takes to get from 47 to 45. (Frankly, I know alot more about that than I do about how to get from 2:00 to 1:15)

What I said was that if you take a kid who is already going 47 and is not fully developed swimmingwise, it may very well be easier to get that kid to go 45. More importantly, getting those last 2 seconds is in many ways a different kind of coaching than getting from 2:00 to 1:15.

What exactly is a "fully developed" swimmer? And how many are swimming a :47. A few state records in HS are only in the mid :45s.

If they are going a 47 I'd say they are pretty developed. 47 isn't world class, but that's still pretty fast. If you are coming out of highschool swimming a low 47, I'm pretty sure they are going D1. To me, that's pretty developed. Granted they have not met their FULL potential, but I really doubt they have any kind of major stroke flaws slowing them down.

As for a different kind of coaching, absolutely.

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Re: QFT: Paulo Sousa on Swimming [Chuck Finley] [ In reply to ]
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Chuck Finley wrote:
This is an angry thread. Is it even about swimming anymore?

If people thought you were Paulo, I bet you'd be angry too!!!
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Re: QFT: Paulo Sousa on Swimming [doTheRunningMan] [ In reply to ]
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Would if he could................................35 miles a day....sure,got crack?
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Re: QFT: Paulo Sousa on Swimming [Rappstar] [ In reply to ]
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Surprised no one has posted this gem yet.... It might deserve it's own thread..

http://blog.trainingpeaks.com/...dy-swim-workout.html



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Re: QFT: Paulo Sousa on Swimming [Ex-cyclist] [ In reply to ]
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Re: QFT: Paulo Sousa on Swimming [Ex-cyclist] [ In reply to ]
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he's dreamy.... and smoldering.




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Re: QFT: Paulo Sousa on Swimming [Ex-cyclist] [ In reply to ]
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Wow, that could be an amazing Strange Denizens of the Pool post. Especially after the hypoxic repeats.
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Re: QFT: Paulo Sousa on Swimming [Ex-cyclist] [ In reply to ]
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Was looking for "April 1st" date at the top
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Re: QFT: Paulo Sousa on Swimming [Kenney] [ In reply to ]
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Kenney wrote:
Was looking for "April 1st" date at the top

Nope it was tweeted by Training Peaks today...



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Re: QFT: Paulo Sousa on Swimming [Ex-cyclist] [ In reply to ]
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I bet it was tagged with #deltabravo
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Re: QFT: Paulo Sousa on Swimming [Ex-cyclist] [ In reply to ]
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When I get my 910 I was going to look at what training peaks offered......................................No more
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Re: QFT: Paulo Sousa on Swimming [The Authority] [ In reply to ]
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The Authority wrote:
Chuck Finley wrote:
This is an angry thread. Is it even about swimming anymore?


If people thought you were Paulo, I bet you'd be angry too!!!

That would be the worst thing ever.
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Re: QFT: Paulo Sousa on Swimming [BeachboyWI] [ In reply to ]
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BeachboyWI wrote:
What exactly is a "fully developed" swimmer? And how many are swimming a :47. A few state records in HS are only in the mid :45s.

The description made me think of the athletes who are mad talents and show some brilliance in the sport with somewhat limited training. Think Ed Moses, who effectively swam like two summer leagues before college and ended up setting a few world records in breaststroke before retiring to try to make it on the PGA Tour. Or more recently, Dax Hill (basketball) and Breeja Larson (softball/track & field) who were both runners up at NCAAs last year as underclassmen after being multisport athletes in high school and not swimming year-round until they hit campus.
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Re: QFT: Paulo Sousa on Swimming [Ex-cyclist] [ In reply to ]
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I'll summarize this thread with a Haiku:

beckoning street cred

authority looms dark

where's my snorkel


**All of these words finding themselves together were greatly astonished and delighted for assuredly, they had never met before**
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