So if I dope and get busted can I use this statement as my TUE? I mean, I didn't start a ST feeding frenzy, after all.

you got the quotes mixed up on that one there...

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No need....I stand by the statement. I'm not gonna edit a thing.

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Bump!

My assumption on the initial data was the same as your conclusion with the complete data set... I may have mis-worded my comment. I meant more that I would never have first hand knowledge of the event but the evidence was damning. Your determination is correct based on that evidence in my (meaningless) opinion... the 'malfunction' of the chip required to produce the recorded results is well into JFK magic bullet territory.

I fully support your efforts at rooting out all forms of malfeasance... it undermines the credibility of the sport and it's participants.

This.

This is ridiculous. A Kona spot is just one of many goals. You could be MOP but a top 10 AG, and that 1 guy or gal doping or cheating in front of you may have been that person who took that away from you. MOP doping or cheating is no different than FOP doping or cheating.

It may be that your race # was not clearly visable. Go to "lost and found" you may spot yourself there.
Of course she can do that too but I don't think they'd be there for her.

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don't complicate things... even if she were the only person out there doing a self supported IM, cheating matters.

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But we aren't talking about a top 10 AG result, are we?

But we can agree to disagree. I'm fine with that.

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I've read this entire thread from start to finish, and I find it sad on a number of different levels...

Whether it's "bad" for the sport or it deprives a person from truly experiencing finishing a full IM race, I think we can all agree that cheating, in any form, is "bad." I can understand how many of you feel that cutting the course and then claiming to be a finisher would make you personally feel that it impacted you. You raced hard, you trained hard, you finished in X:XX:XX and you're proud that you finished all 140.6 miles. To have someone, anyone, say that they also completed the same task as you, whether they did so in a faster or slower time, when they did not lessens your accomplishment. It does so by inducting another person into this "fraternity" who has not earned their spot. It's not about KQ or that you'd be #705 instead of #706. It's all about someone else claiming to do what you did when they didn't. In the most simple terms: dilution.

As to whether or not doping can be considered better or worse? I'd ask why it matters whether it's better or worse. It's still "bad." Yeah, the doper might have finished regardless. Maybe the MOP doper wouldn't have a faster time than you if they hadn't doped. Or maybe they would have. But, the end result is still the same as the person cutting the course... dilution. A doper finishing sub-10 "cheapens" all the hard work of those that finished sub-10 cleanly.

And for the person that finishes in 17:00:01, I personally hold them in higher esteem than the above two types of "cheaters" because they exhibit qualities those people did not: perseverance, courage, dedication, etc. Go check out that youtube video of the finishing line at IM CdA this year at midnight and tell me that you don't think someone claiming to be a finisher when they're not doesn't make you sick/upset/angry when you see what that lady did. Like I said before, dilution.


All of this and I haven't even come close to finishing an IM yet.


And please note, I honestly have no opinion as to whether or not the OP did or did not cut the course. All the statements above were generalities. I truly hope that the OP completed the full course and wish her the best, whether it's being justly vindicated or finding the strength to admit her shortcomings and learning from the experience.

So that begs the question...what's up w/ the Garmin file? Is it faked? Or not hers? Man, this far-reaching. It looks like the idea that it didn't pick up her run splits on the first time around is blown up by the third part of sportstats evidence when she would have had to pass 700 people in the last five minutes. Crazy stuff.

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Thanks for the life advice, bro.....but I'm good.

If you think what Jen did is even remotely close to what LA did, or the UCI was complicit in, we can just agree to disagree.

In the meantime, my original point has been completely overlooked.....some asshat (who apparently has stalked Jen across multiple forums) successfully used you all to accomplish whatever little petty goals he had.

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Where's Tim Andrus? I though he did some analysis of the Garmin file.

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Thankfully, for the sport and life in general, yours is a monority opinion. Feel free to keep living with your head in the sand though.

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Hmm, doesn't seem to be the OP's first time that she started horribly slow in a running event, somehow missed a bunch of timing mats and finished with an incredible time.
She doesn't show up in the official results of this race either.
http://runningjacksonville.com/...x%3D0%26Submit.y%3D0

I'm not implying anything of the sort... only brought that up because it was important enough for you to cut and paste and make your signature. This is about you, not Jen. You think some cheating is OK, and I do not. I am attempting to get you to see my point of view, admittedly with some snark.

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Accident, banged up, goal just to finish, finished in 14 hours, but yet was able to pull a 4:08 marathon on the IM leg. hmmm ...

I did this race 3 year ago while with pretty good fitness for me. I went sub 12, but was only able to pull a 4:05 marathon. What's your training secret?

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6:57 pace. And that got her 2nd in the division it looks like. Of course we all know cheaters only do it once and it's not like she affected anyone's else race with that.

Maybe Power13 might care about cheating in this case.

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I signed up for the full marathon but instead ran the half with a friend.

Try to keep up, won't you?

see, this is why people get caught. If you're going to fake a 3 hour open marathon, you have to fake a 3:30 off the bike to make the story consistent.

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Are you trying to call me and my integrity out? I asked to see a file, I saw it, it matched up. Anything more than that is outside of my control.

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Wait for the redemption next year... Remember Finman went all out and ran a marathon, did IMFL, the the NYC Marathon in 3 days.


Any guesses what Jen is going to do for this one?

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