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Re: IM training after a breakup [sylvan] [ In reply to ]
 
Did you do the timing at Texas 70.3 this year? There was some definite course cutting that went on there. I wasn't sure who to raise the issue with other then WTC and they could care less.

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Re: IM training after a breakup [Power13] [ In reply to ]
 
Power13 wrote:
iJen0311 wrote:
Power13 wrote:
Here is my question - why the hell would anyone bother to look up Jen's splits? She wasn't bragging about some awesome KQ, or a top AG placing. Really, who gives a schitt enough to look into it?


So it appears as though the first stone thrower is gerechtheid.....a new user who only created his account yesterday and only has 2 posts to his name. Hmmmm....someone with an axe to grind, perhaps?


Wonder if the ST sleuths will bother to dig into that one with as much zeal. Kinda doubt it, though.....easier to be a douchebag, I guess.



And was also banned, after harassing me on other forums and on Facebook.


Interesting.....good enough for me to say again, why does anyone here care about this? If (and I emphasize if) Jen cut the course, she only cheated herself. None of the "outraged" here were affected or impacted by her alleged actions.

I find the actions of gerechtheid to be far more troubling than anything Jen may have done.


YMMV.



I think if she hadn't been talking smack about all the cheaters on the course drafting and/or moaning and groaning the past several weeks about he boyfriend, new boyfriend, whatever then people would have let it go. But talking about other cheaters drafting (who probably got penalties for it) and then cheating herself is just game on in my opinion!
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Re: IM training after a breakup [sylvan] [ In reply to ]
 
sylvan wrote:
Following up on what Marc and I said:

#461

DQ stands.

Thanks for posting with an official answer. I did send my data off to Jimmy at WTC, but if it's a moot point, then so be it.
 
Re: IM training after a breakup [Power13] [ In reply to ]
 
We care about this here because cheating is cheating at any level.

By cutting the course, people like Jen degrade what others have done by faking an accomplishment. For all of those "almost finishers" over 17 hours (and I know one awesome guy) that don't get their names in the official results, it's just not fair and not cool!

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Re: IM training after a breakup [claughery] [ In reply to ]
 
claughery wrote:
We care about this here because cheating is cheating at any level.

By cutting the course, people like Jen degrade what others have done by faking an accomplishment. For all of those "almost finishers" over 17 hours (and I know one awesome guy) that don't get their names in the official results, it's just not fair and not cool!

+1000
 
Re: IM training after a breakup [Power13] [ In reply to ]
 
Dr. Phil Skiba has an interesting blog on this.... our collective morality.

In my view it matters. Words matter. You may not know it, but you can dine out for a while on a 30min 5k in some circles... imagine an IM in that context. So, while she cheated nobody but herself, she still cheated. And, unfortunately, as long as people pay special attention to people like us, and as long as their are people like us who crave attention, then people will cheat, even if it is for a 14hr IM finish.

special thanks to the timers... having all those mats caught a cheater and likely prevented a few more. Imagine if a Kona slot went to a cheater?



Power13 wrote:
iJen0311 wrote:
Power13 wrote:
Here is my question - why the hell would anyone bother to look up Jen's splits? She wasn't bragging about some awesome KQ, or a top AG placing. Really, who gives a schitt enough to look into it?


So it appears as though the first stone thrower is gerechtheid.....a new user who only created his account yesterday and only has 2 posts to his name. Hmmmm....someone with an axe to grind, perhaps?


Wonder if the ST sleuths will bother to dig into that one with as much zeal. Kinda doubt it, though.....easier to be a douchebag, I guess.



And was also banned, after harassing me on other forums and on Facebook.


Interesting.....good enough for me to say again, why does anyone here care about this? If (and I emphasize if) Jen cut the course, she only cheated herself. None of the "outraged" here were affected or impacted by her alleged actions.

I find the actions of gerechtheid to be far more troubling than anything Jen may have done.


YMMV.


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Re: IM training after a breakup [iJen0311] [ In reply to ]
 
iJen0311 wrote:
sylvan wrote:
Following up on what Marc and I said:

#461

DQ stands.


Thanks for posting with an official answer. I did send my data off to Jimmy at WTC, but if it's a moot point, then so be it.

Are ya gonna tell the truth ? you will feel better.

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Re: IM training after a breakup [TravisT] [ In reply to ]
 
TravisT wrote:
Did you do the timing at Texas 70.3 this year? There was some definite course cutting that went on there. I wasn't sure who to raise the issue with other then WTC and they could care less.

Just email timing@ironman.com with a bib number and/or whatever info you have. It's pretty easy at a race like IMFL or Miami the week before with lots of splits. Memorial Hermann earlier this year had a halfway bike split and 5 run splits just like Miami.

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Re: IM training after a breakup [Newyorkfan21] [ In reply to ]
 
Newyorkfan21 wrote:
claughery wrote:
We care about this here because cheating is cheating at any level.

By cutting the course, people like Jen degrade what others have done by faking an accomplishment. For all of those "almost finishers" over 17 hours (and I know one awesome guy) that don't get their names in the official results, it's just not fair and not cool!


+1000


She has a finishers pic, she has a finishers medal and likely finisher gear. Does anyone think that if she did knowingly cheat she wouldn't continue with the lie to everyone else except people on ST?

Her official disqualification means no more or no less than the person who finished in 17:01. In my book, one is a finisher and one isn't, regardless of what WTC says about it. I couldn't care less what is official.
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Re: IM training after a breakup [iJen0311] [ In reply to ]
 
care to restate this?

iJen0311 wrote:
[harassing me on other forums and on Facebook.

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Re: IM training after a breakup [claughery] [ In reply to ]
 
claughery wrote:
We care about this here because cheating is cheating at any level.

By cutting the course, people like Jen degrade what others have done by faking an accomplishment. For all of those "almost finishers" over 17 hours (and I know one awesome guy) that don't get their names in the official results, it's just not fair and not cool!

Oh horse-hooey. How does it degrade it? If YOU finished the race in the time that YOU finished it, then nothing can demean that performance unless YOU want it to.

And if she did cut the course, it had zero impact on the "almost finishers"....there is not a fixed amount of finishers. FInish under 17 hours and "you are an Ironman."

If she cheated, she cheated one person - herself.

Look, I'm not defending her alleged actions....but I sure as hell am calling bullschitt on one douchebag who digitally stalks her, harasses her and then walks away as the wolves descend.

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Re: IM training after a breakup [sylvan] [ In reply to ]
 
Thanks for your attention to this. We put so much emphasis on doping in the sport but if people want to cheat to achieve some goal, cutting the course is far easier then doping and it seems to happen far too often.

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Re: IM training after a breakup [Power13] [ In reply to ]
 
So doping is fine as long as whoever does it is MOP and doesn't take away someones Kona spot. Glad we know how you feel about cheating.

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Re: IM training after a breakup [sylvan] [ In reply to ]
 
Crowdsourcing! Love it. Thanks for all your hard work for clean sport.

Eric

sylvan wrote:
TravisT wrote:
Am I reading this right to see you saying that the chip was working correctly and the paces shown for the first 13 miles of 19:xx'ish pace is what actually happened?


Yes.

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Re: IM training after a breakup [TheRhino] [ In reply to ]
 
If you are not certain....here is more info...

Proof #1:
Timing data on Run
T2 @ 9:47:47 (total running time)
2-mile @ 10:24:49
4-mile @ 11:04:18
6.5-mile turn @ 11:48:58
4-mile on return leg @ 12:36:18
2-mile on return leg @ 13:14:54
13-mile near turn @ 13:51:20
Finish @ 13:56:15

A 4:08:28 run with all splits for a single lap in correct chronological order, only one pass of the far turn at 2:01:11 and only one pass of the near turn at 4:03:33.

Proof #2:
We also look at pictures on course from FinisherPix....in this case there are only finish pictures....look at anyone else and they have pictures on the run course???

Proof #3:
Overall Position at each timing stations:
T2: 2435
2-mile @ 2462
4-mile @ 2475
6.5-mile turn @ 2480
4-mile on return leg @ 2485
2-mile on return leg @ 2485
13-mile near turn @ 2479
Finish @ 1726

So technically no passing in lap 1....passed 700 ppl on lap 2?


 
Re: IM training after a breakup [sportstats] [ In reply to ]
 
bam
 
Re: IM training after a breakup [NickG] [ In reply to ]
 
NickG wrote:
I think this thread is over. I saw the file from her IMFL run and it's legit. She did what she said she did and it is now being figured out with the timing chip people as to where the mess up was ON THEIR END. Congrats to Jen on her finish!


So is NickG a co-conspirator or an unknowing accomplice who looked at a counterfeit file?
 
Re: IM training after a breakup [sportstats] [ In reply to ]
 
sportstats wrote:
Proof #2:
We also look at pictures on course from FinisherPix....in this case there are only finish pictures....look at anyone else and they have pictures on the run course???

And they were only photographing people when they made the second loop?
 
Re: IM training after a breakup [Power13] [ In reply to ]
 
Power13 wrote:
claughery wrote:
We care about this here because cheating is cheating at any level.

By cutting the course, people like Jen degrade what others have done by faking an accomplishment. For all of those "almost finishers" over 17 hours (and I know one awesome guy) that don't get their names in the official results, it's just not fair and not cool!


Oh horse-hooey. How does it degrade it? If YOU finished the race in the time that YOU finished it, then nothing can demean that performance unless YOU want it to.

And if she did cut the course, it had zero impact on the "almost finishers"....there is not a fixed amount of finishers. FInish under 17 hours and "you are an Ironman."

If she cheated, she cheated one person - herself.

Look, I'm not defending her alleged actions....but I sure as hell am calling bullschitt on one douchebag who digitally stalks her, harasses her and then walks away as the wolves descend.

I did finish this race this year - in a completely different category than her and it still bothers me. What bothers me most is she is competing against athletes who did the whole thing in 17:02 and didn't get that medal... Those medals and finisher gear mean tons to people! You don't deserve something unless you earn it, at least thats what I believe.

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Re: IM training after a breakup [IronLance] [ In reply to ]
 
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Re: IM training after a breakup [TravisT] [ In reply to ]
 
TravisT wrote:
So doping is fine as long as whoever does it is MOP and doesn't take away someones Kona spot. Glad we know how you feel about cheating.

You know what, to some degree, yeah. If someone uses T or EPO to log a MOP finish, how does it impact you? They took away a spot from you? You should have been 92nd instead of 93rd? Are you that shallow about your results?

I'm not defending cheating in the slightest, but the fever in which some people participate in these threads is pretty ugly. WAY out of proportion. And again, her actions pale in comparison to the guy who started this whole thing, IMO.

Again, YMMV.

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Re: IM training after a breakup [iJen0311] [ In reply to ]
 
look, you can go two ways here... deny deny deny like so many cheaters, or actually come clean and try to learn something about yourself.

It's not the cheating that's your flaw I would submit, but your vanity about your image.

You're not the first one... a young man recently confessed to cutting some course at Kona. I considered it in my first IM as well, after making a wrong turn and heading back too early, but decided against it, because even if nobody else would know, I always would.

good luck.

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Re: IM training after a breakup [sportstats] [ In reply to ]
 

Quote:
We also look at pictures on course from FinisherPix....in this case there are only finish pictures....look at anyone else and they have pictures on the run course???

Thank goodness my splits show up fine, I don't have any pics on the run either -

=)



 
Re: IM training after a breakup [Power13] [ In reply to ]
 
Power13 wrote:
TravisT wrote:
So doping is fine as long as whoever does it is MOP and doesn't take away someones Kona spot. Glad we know how you feel about cheating.


You know what, to some degree, yeah. If someone uses T or EPO to log a MOP finish, how does it impact you? They took away a spot from you? You should have been 92nd instead of 93rd? Are you that shallow about your results?

I'm not defending cheating in the slightest, but the fever in which some people participate in these threads is pretty ugly. WAY out of proportion. And again, her actions pale in comparison to the guy who started this whole thing, IMO.

Again, YMMV.

Just going to quote this.

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Re: IM training after a breakup [claughery] [ In reply to ]
 
claughery wrote:

I did finish this race this year - in a completely different category than her and it still bothers me. What bothers me most is she is competing against athletes who did the whole thing in 17:02 and didn't get that medal... Those medals and finisher gear mean tons to people! You don't deserve something unless you earn it, at least thats what I believe.


But they didn't get that medal because of her....they didn't get that medal because they came in over 17 hours. You can't blame her for that.


Again, not defending her or her actions. If she cheated (and now "officially" has), then she doesn't deserve anything. But some really need to hold things in perspective.....

*edit to fix quotes.

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