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+2 on the flat kit.

Currently, I only use it to fill in the void...i.e. faster bike w/ it in place. I've used it as a water source, but the stinkin' rubber cap and dispensing method is pretty restricted. Does not work at all to douse yourself and you struggle to get any water in your mouth.

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Yep, by no means is our bottle a "dousing bottle." It is a bite valve, not a standard cap/spouts. Bite, squeeze and it will deliver a high flow volume to you. We find that most of our athletes use the bottle for their on course nutrition. 10-12 oz of energy gel then fill the rest with water. Not only does the bottle shave a 1 watt off but also will then keep you from having to stick gels on your top tube or bento box.

New semi clear Vr bottles have 'cut' lines on them to convert to a storage unit.

Hope this helps.

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Do you know whether the 'universal' VR bottle will work on a Kestrel 4000? Curved seat tube, and down tube only bosses. Thanks.

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Yeah, should be know problem. Both the Felt DA and Universal VR holder have long (2cm/4cm) mounting slots. Depending on frame geometry, and boss mounts I don't see an issue with any bikes. Some bikes will be a tighter fit than others of course. On a Shiv for instance there will be some 'daylight' at the bb area.

This bottle can mount on either the down tube or seat tube.

Hans

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Is the universal bottle available yet?

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The 'stealth' VR bottles only are here. We now are looking at a 9/20 ship date (what we are being told) of the complete units with the semi clear bottles. We have pics on our FB page.

Hans

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Yes, it does help...thanks.

I may go w/ the gel/water mix for the next two races (IM's).

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I've done the gels in the VR bottle for a few races this season and it works perfectly. Plopped 16 gels and some water in there and my top tube could never be happier. Although I think you need to come up with some sort of funnel to go with it.

And the Felt bottle fits pretty darn well on my BMC TM01 too btw. If only the bottle came in black...

nice bike ^^^^

Hey Ben....it does come in black. Sending your other half one, or two...

Just got the 'stealth' VR bottles in stock.

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TorHans Products rock... flat out, no question, the best of their kind in each genre of hydration they peruse. Just my opinion, but I know i'm right, hahahahah

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Nice set-up! Do you carry a flat kit and if so, where?

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Flat kit (which isnt pictured) goes on the seat. Well a small multi-tool, crack pipe, and nano-inflator all get shoved up under the saddle. The CO2, Tube, and levers gets strapped to the top/sides of rear bottle cage. Worked well enough in St. George through the winds. Never lost anything or launched the bottle. It does make it a bit harder to get the bottle in and out of the back, but I only had to do that twice during the race, so not a huge deal to me.

Great bottle, great bike. The Vr bottle almost looks like it was made for your bmc.

Don't get black, get the new translucent white Vr bottle to match your Torhans Aero20 up front!

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Great discussion on the torhans as I just picked up a felt da and was trying to figure out of what benefit it had, it is not a great set up but nice to know it adds to the aero of the frame. Thanks all for the great tips. Its now a gel flask for gu or whiskey.

How is the fit on speedconcepts? If i'm understanding this right, there is a Felt specific version but also a universal that would fit other bikes?
Thanks. =)

Where can I get those American flag stickers for my bottle. Those are awesome!

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shame they dont post those stickers to Aus :(

Is there any way to get hold of the felt DA frame mount in the UK?

I can't find it on the retailers site or on the Torhans site and it did not come with my 2012 bike for some reason.

does the frame mounted bottle have a quick fill valve? i used to use the profile designs aero bottle, but it is only good as a short course bottle as there is no quick fill, and the cap is ridiculous to get off.

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Hi Jbro,

No, the Vr bottle does not have a quick fill valve. Bottle is is best used for nutrition (10 gels, rest with water/etc) tool kit, or hydration for short course.

Hans

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Hi Hans,

Is this bottle recommended for a Cervelo P5 or are is there something custom to the P5 in the works?

Hi Matto,

Yes, and Yes.

Cheers,

Hans

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Hans,
Matto really needs all the help he can get so pretty please put a rush on it :0)
I just got my limited black version for my Blue Triad. Where is the best placing of it? Eyeball aero says mounted to the seat tube as there is a inch gap between seat tube and bottle if mounted on bottom tube. But..... There is also a small gap where tubes meet Bottom bracket. Eletrical tape will look to ghetto there. Can it be heated with a heat gun to form fit? The bottle and the bottle cage. Itook it out today and must say it is well designed, goes in and out easily at 20-22 mph and easy to drink from when bitten down on. :0)

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any pictures on how it fits on a speed concept?

thanks

Hey Bmanners,

Hmmm. I have my Vr mounted on the down tube on my S5, and there is a one inch gap to the seat tube. Obviously frame and size dependent on how 'blended' the bottle will work.

And yes, the spout is in fact a bite valve. Bite and squeeze and will deliver a good volume of flow.

Cheers!

Hans

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Not yet. Hopefully someone will send us a pic soon.

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Ted-


Can I use the Black Limited Edition Black STEALTH VR™20oz (590ml) - Includes Bottle Only. Compatible with Felt DA and universal VR bottle holders. as a place to store a flat kit on my 2012 P2?


thx

You can. You can fit at spare tube in there but not a tubular tire.

Hans

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When is your aero bento box for the P5 going to available?

December 1stish.

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Are there any pictures of how this flat kit conversion (should) end up looking like?

+1 on how the conversion should look; or maybe a couple of pictures providing a visual how-to?

Bump, anyone have a pic of one yet on a speed concept?

there's a dotted line on the bottle that you cut...basically takes off the "bottom" so when the bottle is in the cage it looks the same.

also, it looks like felt is selling torhans bottles on their website. do you know if these are just the regular bottles or are they going to be custom graphics for felt?

Can you buy the Felt mount? Apparently the standard mount does not really work on a Giant Trinity Composite frame with the curved seat tube. But it looks like the Felt version with the "wings" on the mount section might work. I also think the bottom portion would fit the profile of the Giant Trinity Composite because it has a flat edge rather than the pointed bottom edge of the standard mount. Or am I just seeing things?

Edit: I just found it on Felt's website. Can you only buy the Felt mount and not the bottle? I don't like the gray bottle.

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Might be very silly question but how do you drink from this thing? I can't pics anywhere of how to actually use it. Maybe I'm just missing something.

I bought one to try on a Shiv TT. No go. FYI in case anyone else is interested in trying that.

I've got one for sale. Haven't posted a classified, but send me a message and I'll cut you a deal on a never-used one.

The black cap is a valve. There is a cut on top that lets water through.

Although cleaning it might be a pain.

Cleaning it is really easy... you squeeze it and wash it. Way easier than ANY OTHER bottle top Ive seen. You can probably throw it in the dishwasher and it will actually get clean!! This bottle is the cats pajamas!

I put all of my gels in there and then filled it up with water. The first time i used it was at Ironman world champs and had no issues with it. It's a great bottle and aero. Great group of guys too!

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flat kit!

How do you use the VR felt bottle as a spares for tubes etc do you modify the bottle or just use the bottle carriage?

Can you buy the Felt mount with a white bottle? Apparently the standard mount does not really work on a Giant Trinity Composite frame with the curved seat tube. But it looks like the Felt version with the "wings" on the mount section might work. I also think the bottom portion would fit the profile of the Giant Trinity Composite because it has a flat edge rather than the pointed bottom edge of the standard mount. Or am I just seeing things?

Edit: I just found it on Felt's website. Can you only buy the Felt mount and not the bottle? I don't like the gray bottle.

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I found it to be cumbersome as a watter bottle, instead I Dremeled the back open and it fits 2- tubes, 2- Co2's, fill valve, allen wrench, and tire spoons in it great. I like that stuff there rather than tied all around my rear bottle cages.

No biggie though, I have plenty of places to put water with my dual rear cages, and Torhans Aero 30.

Bump, anyone try one on a Speed Concept yet?

I'm waiting to see someone take the bullet first. =)

I just mounted it to the B10. I couldn't get the reg VR one over here in germany, so I ordered the DA version. It's not that close to the seat post like it's supposed on the DA but it looks goin fine.
I was thinking to dremel the inner shelf away but wasn't sure if it's still strong after doin this.
https://www.dropbox.com/...3euqoym/DAbottle.jpg
Tried drinking and it was easier than it seemed.

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Bump for the speed concept people looking to see if this thing works or not!

 Still waiting over here. I dunno, but why has the company taken so long to make a bottle available to an SC owner. I'm sure a few bottles would have been sold by now if a picture was available.

I'm picking up a vr from someone in the classifieds. As soon as I get It ill post pics!

Any updates on the aero bento box?

Hi every body,

i've bought a cannondale sllice 105 in 2011 and i'm going to buy the thorans VR system but i really don't know if it can be mounted on my cannondale. Anyone has tried it or have a pic of this installation?

Thx a lot

Time for a SHOOT OUT!

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After some customization, I got one of these on my Shiv TT. I had to purchase the Felt version of the mount and the stealth bottle. I anchored it to the seat tube by protecting the frame, then using the velcro strip which came with the mount to secure it. It's also secured on the bottom tube by a screw drilled through the side. I may have to reinforce it with a washer, but it's tight and the plastic is as thick as the mounting area.

The one downside is that you cannot use this setup for liquids. I'm using it for a flat kit. The cut out is over the mounting screw so that it fits snug. I also used double sided tape, strong stuff, to secure the flat kit to the mount so that there's no wobbling on roads or in wind.

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Can you show a picture of the inside - how you are using a bottle as a flat kit? I'm having conceptual problems.

As you can see, I had to cut out a wedge. You then stuff you spare tubes, tire levers, and whatever else inside. You can also see where I drilled the hole. The tape is the two sided which I mentioned and keeps the water cage from rattling.

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Here's mine, I love it.

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Huge help!!! Thank you!!!

Bump for speed concept...again.

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I have a Cervelo P5 SIX. Any pictures of this bottle on a P5? Since there are no bosses on the seattube and the P5 does not have a "V" angle between the downtube and the seattube. Thus, how do you install? There are two bosses on the downtube, but if you install the bottle in that possition there is large gap between the bottle and the seattube. It looks odd. Any help would be great. Kye

Hi Hans,

Any chance you could provide weight of the complete system ("cage" and bottle ?) ?

Also do you have a rear or front view of the "cage/mount" without bottle to see where the holes are located ? In case we need to lower the bottle on seat tube is it possible to drill some new 5.5 / 6mm holes or the bolt are hidden in a specific way that makes it impossible to create different holes ?

Thanks for your help.

any update on a Torhan on a speed concept?

Should be no issues an SC with the Universal Vr.

I'll try to get a pic.

Hans

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Will it fit on a 2010 frame?

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Which frame????

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It's a 2010 Felt DA.

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If that is the current design then buy the DA specific from Felt. If it's not then buy the universal Vr from one of our retailers. Should fit well.

Hans

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The 2010 is the frame before the current design. I'll reach out to felt to see if they have any insight. Thanks.

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Can we buy the mount kit with a stealth black bottle or do we have to buy a white one with the mount and buy black bottle separately?

Believe I had to buy the stealth desperately but ended up going with a different bottle the fit the geometry of my frame better.

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VR came in, BMC TM02. Is there a special mount kit for it? The standard bottle cage screws on the bike aren't long enough to clear the mount, seat or downtube. Unless I'm just doing something obviously wrong....

The kit comes with specific screws to mount the VR frame on it. You don't use your existing screws.

Ah. Hope I didn't throw out the packaging, didn't see anything else in there.

Thanks

Chris,

We can mail you the screws if you tossed them out.

Cheers,

Hans

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Hey Ted, any projected time line for a P5 flat repair/storage compartment?

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Nope. As of now it's probably not going to happen, at least a P5 Specific unit.

Hans

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How well does the VR bottle fit on a 51cm P5, anyone have experience with this or pics???

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Hey there,
I was wondering what the exact Torhans product you used to achieve that.
Mine came out completely different and doesnt look as integrated as yours.
Click to see picture
Would love to get your feedback!

Thanks,

Shai

Youve got the right parts. What you do now is unbolt it, lower it down as far as it can go before the front tip hits the down tube, then drill a hole in the mount to hold a screw to screw it back in to the cage mount. I only ever used one screw. For a few dozen races now... never had any issues as long as its on there good and tight. That will let you get it down in to that gap by the bottom bracket. If you really want it to look slick, and since yours is black, you can close the remaining few mm gap with some electrical tape. Then it fits better than it does on a Felt.

Thanks a lot for the feedback. I did what you suggested (didn't have to drill) and got it as low as possible.
I think because I am riding a smaller frame it does not fit as well and still there is a little gap between the torhans and the frame's bottom bracket area.
Anyways - this is the bike a little closer to finalization - only race wheels are missing for final look (and i might get a different BTA too).



Thanks for the help - much appreciated.

It looks like the bottom is closer to the seattube than the top.
If so try to get plastic washers between the cage and frame down there to tilt the angle as much as you can. If it's just the picture and it's he same gap all the.......forget about it.

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Have you gotten any feedback on whether or not the VR works in an Felt IA frame? I've ordered one but I am not sure if it will fit the geometry.

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It will work, but not a clean fit like the DA. I know some one who has one on their IA. I'll ask him to post a pic here

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Thanks so much ... as long as there are no penalties to installing when it comes to aero advantage I'm willing to over look the fit. Any plans to redesign around IA Frameset? DA has now been all but phased out? Keeping it around for the large number of B and DA series bikes ... ???

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Nothing I can report right now on the IA. I can say however that our new AeroZ BTA will have an accessory to allow the unit to connect to frames with internal hydration bladders, which is only the SHIV tri...for now.

We are taking over the after market sales of the Felt DA/B series specific Vr units. These should be on our website shortly and available to your local Felt dealer.

Hans

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Thanks so much for your time and effort in answering my questions. I've been very happy with my Aero20 Torhans bottle so far with one minor exception but Ill let you guys continue to strive to perfect and refine your designs ...

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I had the same fit issue you are having with my VR bottle installed on seat tube on a different frame.
I don't understand how the "bottle cage" is designed at the top near the valve of the bottle, it is rounded the opposite way of the aero seat tube, for a good fit it would just take the bottle cage to have a "female aero shape" with the seat tube being the "male aero shape", of course not all frames have the same shape but with a slightly bigger radius on the aero cage compare to the average radius from most of the big manufacturers frames, the bottle cage would always fit very close to the seat tube.

Mine looked like yours, the upper part of the cage and bottle was pushed away from the seat tube because of the upper shape of the cage I don't get. A shame as I really wanted to go full Torhans on my bike with Aero30 in the front. Kept Aero30 but sold VR bottle and cage because of that fit issue.

Good question pyf

The original Vr was designed for the Felt DA, B series that had a curved seat tube. When we designed the universal Vr we wanted to make it...well....universal. Not seat tube specific. So yes we could've made the top concave, however making it convex would incur no aero penalty when now placed on the downtube. A concave holder could really dirty the air coming off of the airfoil downtube.

The Felt DA/B holder does indeed wrap around the seat tube. This is a good option for a lot of frames should you choose to place the Vr on the seat tube. Even if your seat tube is straight, not curved, it will work you just might need longer boss screws.

Hope this helps.

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Thanks Hans,

So the FELT version has actually the same bottle with a better cage for seat tube installation ? If that's correct I wish I had known before ;-))) .
Let me know, then I'll contact you to get the "Felt" kit if you are now in charge of selling it. Thanks !

I am new here but regarding this topic i want to share my experience. I used the bottle in my cycle but after few days i don't think it will worth it for me. I remove the bottle from my cycle and create a customized gift by the cap of the bottle. Isn't it amazing idea to reuse of a bottle! My cousin bought a beautiful bottle cap gift from Inspire Bottle Caps online store and that inspires me to the proper use of bottle caps.

Any idea when/if there will be an update version for the Felt IA? I'm interested in using the bottle either way!

Thanks,
Adrian

Has anyone fitted one of these to an older P2C?

No IA specific in the plan for now.

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Thanks for the quick response! Do you have a pictures or information on the fit is on an IA? I've searched and can't seem to find any pictures of it.

Sure. Here ya go.[/url][/img]

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Thanks for the reply. That's a great looking bike!!! I think I will give the frame bottle a try when my IA arrives.

I bought one and thought it fit poorly on a P2C. Ended up using the specialized virtue bottle that fit much better.

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What size do you have? I have a 51 and the Torhans frame bottle won't fit. I'm using the Profile Design RZ2.

Mark

Do you recommend the felt or universal mount for an IA?

Thanks again for all the help on this!

I do know either will work on it. We do now carry the Felt specific units. I don't believe they are on our website yet but I know we do have a limited number now. Or you can have your dealer contact us and we can get one out if you do want the Felt specific. Again, this is the unit for the DA. There is not as of yet an IA specific aero bottle/holder.
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When will the felt specific bottles be on the Torhans website?

thanks

Do you have one for the Felt AR, or would it be the same as for the DA?

They should be up within the next day or two

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The one for the DA should be a good fit for the AR

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For a 2013 B16, would I need the Felt VR bottle or would the standard VR work? Thanks

Go with the Felt Vr. It is on our site now + 25% off for Black Friday. Code gobble2014

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Does the discount also count for the Felt livery specific VR bottle? Where to order with the coupon?

Yes.

http://www.torhans.com select shop

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I get an error :(

http://www.feltbicycles.com/...tem-by-TorHans-.aspx

Go to http://www.torhans.com. Not Felt.

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Lol, my fault :) Thanks

Does the VR actually help with aero properties of some frames, or is it just that it doesn't add as much drag as regular bottles? I'm debating mine, as I don't use often for fluids...but if it enhances aero on my Triad SL I could use it for spare? Otherwise my flat kit can be hidden elsewhere..Thanks for advice.

Oops. I hope I didn't just order the wrong product. I have a DA2. I just ordered your Aero30 with the bottle and tray. Re-reading your comments, it sounds like I should have ordered a specific "DA frame mount/bottle?"

Should I cancel my order or will the product fit on my DA2?

Thanks for your time.

Hey Lutzman,

Two different products. The Aero 30 will work great with your DA and even make it faster as it blends nicely into the headtube. If you want a frame bottle go with the Felt Vr on our website....and get even more faster.

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Hey ggeiger,

To answer your question...some frames it is as much as a 20 gram/2 watt reduction over no bottles at all.. On the Blue Triad this is the case as I actually have that data. For some frames it may be negative to neutral. But it will ALWAYS perform better than a standard cylinder bottle. We have seen standard bottles on the seat tube on some slippery frames with as high as 140 gram/14 watt drag increases over no bottles at all. Keep round objects off your frame. If you need to carry a standard bottle, horizontally behind the seat is the way to go.

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Hi Hans,
The only frame vr I could get over here in Germany was the da one, which works on my b10 but left kinda gap on the top. Anyhow.... Thinking bout your discount offer to get the aero 30 w/mount and the regular aero kit BUT would like to get that with the black bottle. Is there any option to choose? Didn't found any on your side.best wishes

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Thanks for the response Hans. .

Thanks so much Hans. So I should keep that there regardless it seems. I have snugged it as low on the seat tube as I can by redrilling the holes, and it seems to sit very close to both tubes. Because of the aerobar setup I have, I can't get the aero 30 real close to the headtube, so should probably go another direction (BTA) for fluids up front.

Thanks for all of the help, and I always appreciate opinions on my best setup. Old and looking for watts.....

For other BTA we are in full production now of our AeroZ. Pre orders arriving soon. ;)

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Great! Thanks, and I'll be looking forward to seeing it.

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Just ordered the Felt VR aero bottle. Paid only 39$ including shipping to Belgium. The same VR should cost me 70$ on the site of Felt Stuff

Bargain, thanks for the coupon! :)

Is it normal that the bottle is so unhandy? :D

You have to take of the cap to drink but when you're cycling you have to hold the cap, the bottle and the steer AND drive? Wtf, what's the practically of it? If the cap was attached to the bottle, hmm, okay, it would work but the chance of losing the cap is much bigger.

Stancke,

I'm sorry but I really don't understand what you are saying. The Vr unit has a bite valve spout. You do not have to remove it. Just bite and squeeze and you will get a high volume of fluid.

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TorHans LLC Co-Founder, Owner, Chief Innovation Officer
http://www.torhans.com

Hans is right with the bite valve but for me it was still not very handy, not enough water flow and a pain to clean through the small opening, which let me only water as an option there. Decided to take it as flat kit storage after some try though.

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-shoki

I've used the Torhans VR bottle for the last couple years and I've been putting all of my liquid nutrition in it.

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Tried it out, didn't fit my AR. I'm a little guy so it's a 51cm and the lower triangle just doesn't have the clearance.
Oh well, sending it back. Seems like a good product though if the geometry would work.

Does anyone have an experience using this hydration system exclusively as nutrition storage? Thoughts?

What's it like getting into the bottle and retrieving bars/gels/etc?

Which model frame bottle to you recommend for a Felt B10?

What year is your B10? 2012 and after use the Felt specific. Before that use the TH Vr.

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Hans Bielat
TorHans LLC Co-Founder, Owner, Chief Innovation Officer
http://www.torhans.com

B10 was 2011 only, i have the felt specific one which only works with washers for good fit. I would go with the regular one.

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-shoki

Thanks, I was unsure of my model year.

Any idea when the stealth VR bottles will be back in stock?

Summer. But we will have new ones with F1 or 'M' racing stripes in next week.

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Hans Bielat
TorHans LLC Co-Founder, Owner, Chief Innovation Officer
http://www.torhans.com

Sorry if I missed it above but Ted are you using the Felt or regular mount for the VR on that IA? I've got a IA and an AR and I've purchased a regular VR. I've yet to mount either yet (winter in Canada) but if it makes more sense I'll order the Felt Mount. Thanks for your help!

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"Train so you have no regrets @ the finish line"

For the IA I have only seen with our Vr. The Felt Vr works well on most frames but was specifically designed for 52-58cm Felt DAs, and B series 2013 and later.

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Hans Bielat
TorHans LLC Co-Founder, Owner, Chief Innovation Officer
http://www.torhans.com

Hi Hans,

Any update on when you will have stealth black Aero 20 in stock?

Thanks!

d

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Powered by Hub Endurance.....Chattanooga, TN

Wondering the same thing...

Hi Ted, please could you advise if (and how snuggly) the VR would fit on a BMC TM01 (2016 model)?

Thank you in advance!