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Re: *** 2019 Vuelta a Espana Thread (SPOILERS)*** [marcag] [ In reply to ]
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Not too many watching options for this Grand Tour.
Nothing in French from France or Belgium, no "free" english broadcasts except Australia. Between French and English I have 4 or 5 options.
Off to Australia (via VPN).
Tons of Dutch channels.
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Re: *** 2019 Vuelta a Espana Thread (SPOILERS)*** [ChrisC42780] [ In reply to ]
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Re: *** 2019 Vuelta a Espana Thread (SPOILERS)*** [marcag] [ In reply to ]
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Hoping Esteban Chaves has a good Vuelta. Not expecting much doesn’t seem like he has much of a team around him, but I’ve always had a soft spot for him.
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Re: *** 2019 Vuelta a Espana Thread (SPOILERS)*** [plifter242] [ In reply to ]
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Hoping Esteban Chaves has a good Vuelta. Not expecting much doesn’t seem like he has much of a team around him, but I’ve always had a soft spot for him.

agreed to all points
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Re: *** 2019 Vuelta a Espana Thread (SPOILERS)*** [Carl Spackler] [ In reply to ]
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The best bike type calculations, if they follow the plan exaclly is 14min,19sec although the course looks more technical than the course files the organization provided.

It will be interesting to see how close the come to that. So far they are closer to 15min
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Re: *** 2019 Vuelta a Espana Thread (SPOILERS)*** [marcag] [ In reply to ]
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liking the stark start, mtns of salt; the Vuelta is just ... cool
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Re: *** 2019 Vuelta a Espana Thread (SPOILERS)*** [heyMartin] [ In reply to ]
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wow - some wreckage with jumbo-visma, dqs almost colliding with car and then last corner iffy
vuelta delivers in short ttt
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Re: *** 2019 Vuelta a Espana Thread (SPOILERS)*** [marcag] [ In reply to ]
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marcag wrote:
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Ah, didn’t realize it was that short and ITT so long. Probably gives Roglic more of an advantage, he could take 1-2 minutes out of climbers in 36k.



The average weight of the team for the Vuelta is 3kg less than the Tour.
Not sure that is by design or just who is left over at the end of the season

Well 3kilos less per rider may mean you have have to haul around and prepare 5% less food and water, so that's a plus LOL! Keep us informed from behind the scenes.
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Re: *** 2019 Vuelta a Espana Thread (SPOILERS)*** [heyMartin] [ In reply to ]
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Really bad day for Jumbo, watch those white lines when it’s wet folks. 40 seconds is a big ask to get back, especially when one of your main rivals is the one with the 40 second lead.
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Re: *** 2019 Vuelta a Espana Thread (SPOILERS)*** [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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really happy today.

One thing I did for the team was the calculation of the pull times and power targets, with the objective of getting to the end as quickly as possible and as depleted as possible.

We take the data from physiological tests, their CDA data and measurements from test runs in 2nd, 3rd....8th position. We crunch it all, and figure out their postion, pull, who climbs....make a plan, try it once, twice and pray they don't crash.

It is just "science" but I am told the biggest impact is the riders believe in the plans. It clicked for the first time at the tour this year and I think this is the first time they ever win a TTT. I got a note from one of the riders after asking how close to plan he was and saying, I feel this is F1....In a good way (I think).

I am getting the scoop on their boss' run for Kona. He's gunning for his AG. We'll keep that in another thread but apparently he is on the Dev 1,000,000m swim program. His I swim is down by over 10min apparently.
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Re: *** 2019 Vuelta a Espana Thread (SPOILERS)*** [marcag] [ In reply to ]
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marcag wrote:
really happy today.

One thing I did for the team was the calculation of the pull times and power targets, with the objective of getting to the end as quickly as possible and as depleted as possible.

We take the data from physiological tests, their CDA data and measurements from test runs in 2nd, 3rd....8th position. We crunch it all, and figure out their postion, pull, who climbs....make a plan, try it once, twice and pray they don't crash.

It is just "science" but I am told the biggest impact is the riders believe in the plans. It clicked for the first time at the tour this year and I think this is the first time they ever win a TTT. I got a note from one of the riders after asking how close to plan he was and saying, I feel this is F1....In a good way (I think).

I am getting the scoop on their boss' run for Kona. He's gunning for his AG. We'll keep that in another thread but apparently he is on the Dev 1,000,000m swim program. His I swim is down by over 10min apparently.


if said boss is Vino, your entire last paragraph is incredibly tone deaf. I understand that you may not wish to criticize those who sign your paycheck, but you are basically trying to buff a shine on the turd that is Vino, and it is a bit nauseating

You want to make benefit glorious city and team of Nur-sultan, that's your prerogative, just don't expect the rest of us to go along with the whitewashing and normalization of Vino
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Re: *** 2019 Vuelta a Espana Thread (SPOILERS)*** [echappist] [ In reply to ]
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echappist wrote:
marcag wrote:
really happy today.

One thing I did for the team was the calculation of the pull times and power targets, with the objective of getting to the end as quickly as possible and as depleted as possible.

We take the data from physiological tests, their CDA data and measurements from test runs in 2nd, 3rd....8th position. We crunch it all, and figure out their postion, pull, who climbs....make a plan, try it once, twice and pray they don't crash.

It is just "science" but I am told the biggest impact is the riders believe in the plans. It clicked for the first time at the tour this year and I think this is the first time they ever win a TTT. I got a note from one of the riders after asking how close to plan he was and saying, I feel this is F1....In a good way (I think).

I am getting the scoop on their boss' run for Kona. He's gunning for his AG. We'll keep that in another thread but apparently he is on the Dev 1,000,000m swim program. His I swim is down by over 10min apparently.


if said boss is Vino, your entire last paragraph is incredibly tone deaf. I understand that you may not wish to criticize those who sign your paycheck, but you are basically trying to buff a shine on the turd that is Vino, and it is a bit nauseating

You want to make benefit glorious city and team of Nur-sultan, that's your prerogative, just don't expect the rest of us to go along with the whitewashing and normalization of Vino

Point taken.

The intent was not to buf turd. I thought it was funny that he, like Dev has become a "swimmer". That's it, that's all.

BTW, he doesn't sign any paychecks for me and I have no problem criticizing what he or anyone around him did back in their time.
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Re: *** 2019 Vuelta a Espana Thread (SPOILERS)*** [marcag] [ In reply to ]
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Congratulations It has to feel good to help your team deliver a great performance.
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Re: *** 2019 Vuelta a Espana Thread (SPOILERS)*** [plifter242] [ In reply to ]
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Never saw the outcome being Jumbo :40 down and a dinged up Roglic. Pretty much a disaster with no time to heal ahead of a tough stage 2; gives Lopez a significant buffer for ITT if he hasn’t take more time by then.
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Re: *** 2019 Vuelta a Espana Thread (SPOILERS)*** [marcag] [ In reply to ]
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marcag wrote:
echappist wrote:
marcag wrote:
really happy today.

One thing I did for the team was the calculation of the pull times and power targets, with the objective of getting to the end as quickly as possible and as depleted as possible.

We take the data from physiological tests, their CDA data and measurements from test runs in 2nd, 3rd....8th position. We crunch it all, and figure out their postion, pull, who climbs....make a plan, try it once, twice and pray they don't crash.

It is just "science" but I am told the biggest impact is the riders believe in the plans. It clicked for the first time at the tour this year and I think this is the first time they ever win a TTT. I got a note from one of the riders after asking how close to plan he was and saying, I feel this is F1....In a good way (I think).

I am getting the scoop on their boss' run for Kona. He's gunning for his AG. We'll keep that in another thread but apparently he is on the Dev 1,000,000m swim program. His I swim is down by over 10min apparently.


if said boss is Vino, your entire last paragraph is incredibly tone deaf. I understand that you may not wish to criticize those who sign your paycheck, but you are basically trying to buff a shine on the turd that is Vino, and it is a bit nauseating

You want to make benefit glorious city and team of Nur-sultan, that's your prerogative, just don't expect the rest of us to go along with the whitewashing and normalization of Vino


Point taken.

The intent was not to buf turd. I thought it was funny that he, like Dev has become a "swimmer". That's it, that's all.

BTW, he doesn't sign any paychecks for me and I have no problem criticizing what he or anyone around him did back in their time.

understood; apologies for being rather pointed in my response
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Re: *** 2019 Vuelta a Espana Thread (SPOILERS)*** [echappist] [ In reply to ]
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echappist wrote:
marcag wrote:
echappist wrote:
marcag wrote:
really happy today.

One thing I did for the team was the calculation of the pull times and power targets, with the objective of getting to the end as quickly as possible and as depleted as possible.

We take the data from physiological tests, their CDA data and measurements from test runs in 2nd, 3rd....8th position. We crunch it all, and figure out their postion, pull, who climbs....make a plan, try it once, twice and pray they don't crash.

It is just "science" but I am told the biggest impact is the riders believe in the plans. It clicked for the first time at the tour this year and I think this is the first time they ever win a TTT. I got a note from one of the riders after asking how close to plan he was and saying, I feel this is F1....In a good way (I think).

I am getting the scoop on their boss' run for Kona. He's gunning for his AG. We'll keep that in another thread but apparently he is on the Dev 1,000,000m swim program. His I swim is down by over 10min apparently.


if said boss is Vino, your entire last paragraph is incredibly tone deaf. I understand that you may not wish to criticize those who sign your paycheck, but you are basically trying to buff a shine on the turd that is Vino, and it is a bit nauseating

You want to make benefit glorious city and team of Nur-sultan, that's your prerogative, just don't expect the rest of us to go along with the whitewashing and normalization of Vino


Point taken.

The intent was not to buf turd. I thought it was funny that he, like Dev has become a "swimmer". That's it, that's all.

BTW, he doesn't sign any paychecks for me and I have no problem criticizing what he or anyone around him did back in their time.


understood; apologies for being rather pointed in my response

this is how it should go, respectfully.....thanks, guys....marcag, your boots on the ground insights and reports are great, thanks
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Re: *** 2019 Vuelta a Espana Thread (SPOILERS)*** [echappist] [ In reply to ]
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echappist wrote:
marcag wrote:
echappist wrote:
marcag wrote:
really happy today.

One thing I did for the team was the calculation of the pull times and power targets, with the objective of getting to the end as quickly as possible and as depleted as possible.

We take the data from physiological tests, their CDA data and measurements from test runs in 2nd, 3rd....8th position. We crunch it all, and figure out their postion, pull, who climbs....make a plan, try it once, twice and pray they don't crash.

It is just "science" but I am told the biggest impact is the riders believe in the plans. It clicked for the first time at the tour this year and I think this is the first time they ever win a TTT. I got a note from one of the riders after asking how close to plan he was and saying, I feel this is F1....In a good way (I think).

I am getting the scoop on their boss' run for Kona. He's gunning for his AG. We'll keep that in another thread but apparently he is on the Dev 1,000,000m swim program. His I swim is down by over 10min apparently.


if said boss is Vino, your entire last paragraph is incredibly tone deaf. I understand that you may not wish to criticize those who sign your paycheck, but you are basically trying to buff a shine on the turd that is Vino, and it is a bit nauseating

You want to make benefit glorious city and team of Nur-sultan, that's your prerogative, just don't expect the rest of us to go along with the whitewashing and normalization of Vino


Point taken.

The intent was not to buf turd. I thought it was funny that he, like Dev has become a "swimmer". That's it, that's all.

BTW, he doesn't sign any paychecks for me and I have no problem criticizing what he or anyone around him did back in their time.


understood; apologies for being rather pointed in my response

it's all good.
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Re: *** 2019 Vuelta a Espana Thread (SPOILERS)*** [marcag] [ In reply to ]
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marcag wrote:
really happy today.

One thing I did for the team was the calculation of the pull times and power targets, with the objective of getting to the end as quickly as possible and as depleted as possible.

We take the data from physiological tests, their CDA data and measurements from test runs in 2nd, 3rd....8th position. We crunch it all, and figure out their postion, pull, who climbs....make a plan, try it once, twice and pray they don't crash.

It is just "science" but I am told the biggest impact is the riders believe in the plans. It clicked for the first time at the tour this year and I think this is the first time they ever win a TTT. I got a note from one of the riders after asking how close to plan he was and saying, I feel this is F1....In a good way (I think).

I am getting the scoop on their boss' run for Kona. He's gunning for his AG. We'll keep that in another thread but apparently he is on the Dev 1,000,000m swim program. His I swim is down by over 10min apparently.


Wow, this is ST analytic full circle for the TTT win. This is super cool that you brought some of this to the table. I always wondered how to optimally position riders for a TTT based on their strengths and aero profiles and keeping teams together to minimize the time of the last guy across the line. What was the cause of the Jumbo crash?

As for their boss, you can tell him that we still think that Lance would kick his ass in Kona LOL. As for the 1000km per year program, well, I'm doing 1200km per year, but I am not riding 20,000km and running 3000km like he probably is.
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Re: *** 2019 Vuelta a Espana Thread (SPOILERS)*** [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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devashish_paul wrote:
I'm doing 1200km per year, but I am not riding 20,000km and running 3000km like he probably is.

But you aren't a turd :-)
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Re: *** 2019 Vuelta a Espana Thread (SPOILERS)*** [Carl Spackler] [ In reply to ]
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Yup, worse case for Jumbo. Roglic needs to be perfect for 20 stages, that’s a hell of a lot of pressure, on top of him and the majority of his team dinged up.
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Re: *** 2019 Vuelta a Espana Thread (SPOILERS)*** [marcag] [ In reply to ]
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Said it before and will say it again: these are the most civil of ST threads.
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Re: *** 2019 Vuelta a Espana Thread (SPOILERS)*** [Carl Spackler] [ In reply to ]
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Said it before and will say it again: these are the most civil of ST threads.


The racing civility is over on stage 1. The daggers are out. I love this course design. Good little Roglic/Uran/Nieve/Quintana group off the front.

Really savvy racing by EF. They placed Uran near the front in the critical sections, and have Higuita getting a free ride in the chase.
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Re: *** 2019 Vuelta a Espana Thread (SPOILERS)*** [trail] [ In reply to ]
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Definitely shaping up to be an interesting stage for 'only' day 2!
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Re: *** 2019 Vuelta a Espana Thread (SPOILERS)*** [Skippy74] [ In reply to ]
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Gonna save up that last 2K everyone someone says Quintana never attacks.

Ineos had no one in the first two groups.
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Wow, Roglic makes up nearly all of the TTT loss the very next day. Very well-timed attack.
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