Biden seems to be hellbent on having history repeat itself.
Look, I understand having to heavily modify the DNC Convention. But, Biden just announced he will not travel in person to Milwaukee to accept the nomination. There has been a lot of chatter by my Donkey friends and my Donkey Operative friends pointing out that Biden has not been here and plans absolutely no visits. The WI DNC has been promising a lot of money for Milwaukee due to this convention, which is now not going to happen. They are now scrambling to rally the troops who were looking forward to this "party."
People are ridiculously fickle. If Biden thinks he can ignore Wisconsin, well, maybe he is right. But, history does not support that position and, to be honest, I cannot figure out why he seems to be flirting with attempts to snatch defeat from the hands of victory.... If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers
Why is it "ignoring Wisconsin" rather than ignoring the travelling campaign trail due to covid?
Honest question, as I've been waiting to see how the campaigns will adjust due to the situation. It will be interesting to see how Biden handles this with all other states...I guess i was expecting him to just do a lot of shit virtually.
We know Trump will be out there on the trail, in person. Masks "optional".
If Biden loses WI with zero visits and consequently the White House every Democratic strategist in the country should be fired and then tarred and feathered before being drawn and quartered and their heads placed on a pike.
If Biden loses WI with zero visits and consequently the White House every Democratic strategist in the country should be fired and then tarred and feathered before being drawn and quartered and their heads placed on a pike.
If Trump wins again then all of Wisconsin should be fired and then tarred and feathered before being drawn and quartered. I'll give them a pass on the pike on the head because there is obvioiusly nothing in there. .
Hillary "ignoring" Wisconsin is such a dumb thing to say.
First, she focused the last couple weeks on Pennsylvania and Florida, because she had to win one of those. Which was 100% correct, who cares if she wins Wisconsin is she loses Pennsylvania and Florida.
Second, the demographics that slid to trump in Wisconsin were the same as what happened in Pennsylvania. So the evidence we have says campaigning in person would not have made the difference required. Plus who cares if she wins Wisconsin if she loses Pennsylvania and Florida.
Also, Biden has spent way more in advertising in already in Wisconsin than Clinton did in the whole campaign.
If Biden loses WI with zero visits and consequently the White House every Democratic strategist in the country should be fired and then tarred and feathered before being drawn and quartered and their heads placed on a pike.
Biden hasn’t visited anywhere. Trump held an event in Tulsa and was skewered. He isn’t going to his convention either. This isn’t a normal campaign and the rules don’t apply.
And somehow Kanye got on the ballot in your state. Not sure if that matters, but some of the GOP folks in your state thought it was important. Suffer Well.
If Biden loses WI with zero visits and consequently the White House every Democratic strategist in the country should be fired and then tarred and feathered before being drawn and quartered and their heads placed on a pike.
If Trump wins again then all of Wisconsin should be fired and then tarred and feathered before being drawn and quartered. I'll give them a pass on the pike on the head because there is obvioiusly nothing in there. .
Let me know when you can elect your head of state ...mmmm 'mkay?
Hillary "ignoring" Wisconsin is such a dumb thing to say.
First, she focused the last couple weeks on Pennsylvania and Florida, because she had to win one of those. Which was 100% correct, who cares if she wins Wisconsin is she loses Pennsylvania and Florida.
Second, the demographics that slid to trump in Wisconsin were the same as what happened in Pennsylvania. So the evidence we have says campaigning in person would not have made the difference required. Plus who cares if she wins Wisconsin if she loses Pennsylvania and Florida.
Also, Biden has spent way more in advertising in already in Wisconsin than Clinton did in the whole campaign.
LOL! Hillary completely ignored Wisconsin and every strategist blasted her for it.
Man, you Donkeys are really dumb. If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers
If Biden loses WI with zero visits and consequently the White House every Democratic strategist in the country should be fired and then tarred and feathered before being drawn and quartered and their heads placed on a pike.
I don't get it. Honestly, I don't. 2016 was the entire reason the DNC decided to hold their convention in Milwaukee. Now, they are completely ignoring the state - that is the sentiment of my colleagues who work with the WI Dem Party. From numerous observations and multiple discussions with local government officials - I agree.
But, then again, I had Hillary winning WI in 2016 in a landslide, so, what do I know?
However, I swear to gawd, if I didn't know better, I would swear Team Donkey was trying to piss away what should be an easy victory. If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers
Why is it "ignoring Wisconsin" rather than ignoring the travelling campaign trail due to covid?
Honest question, as I've been waiting to see how the campaigns will adjust due to the situation. It will be interesting to see how Biden handles this with all other states...I guess i was expecting him to just do a lot of shit virtually.
We know Trump will be out there on the trail, in person. Masks "optional".
Pretty sure I explained why in the OP. DNC is holding its convention in WI. It will now be virtual, but, all the speakers will be live from Milwaukee. However, Biden is not traveling to the convention to accept the nomination in person. That has the WI Dem Party and the DNC organizers really pissed off, and for good reason.
So, yeah, this is just a little bit different than Biden limiting personal appearances on the campaign trail due to COVID ... If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers
If Biden loses WI with zero visits and consequently the White House every Democratic strategist in the country should be fired and then tarred and feathered before being drawn and quartered and their heads placed on a pike.
I don't get it. Honestly, I don't. 2016 was the entire reason the DNC decided to hold their convention in Milwaukee. Now, they are completely ignoring the state - that is the sentiment of my colleagues who work with the WI Dem Party. From numerous observations and multiple discussions with local government officials - I agree.
But, then again, I had Hillary winning WI in 2016 in a landslide, so, what do I know?
However, I swear to gawd, if I didn't know better, I would swear Team Donkey was trying to piss away what should be an easy victory.
may?
Hubris. Hillary couldn't imagine losing period and Biden can't imagine losing to Trump.
And somehow Kanye got on the ballot in your state. Not sure if that matters, but some of the GOP folks in your state thought it was important.
Why do you hate choice?
Why did he need help? Fucking lawyers.
I dunno. I'm just trying to figure out why you want to keep Kanye down. What about him offends you? If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers
And somehow Kanye got on the ballot in your state. Not sure if that matters, but some of the GOP folks in your state thought it was important.
Why do you hate choice?
Why did he need help? Fucking lawyers.
Oh Biden and Trump filled out their own paperwork? Don't embarrass yourself anymore
Of course not. They are their party’s nominee, with that comes support. Don’t be stupid.
Kanye is an unqualified clown looking for attention. I’m not sure why a GOP lawyer wants to be associated with another one of those in the 2020 election. Suffer Well.
And somehow Kanye got on the ballot in your state. Not sure if that matters, but some of the GOP folks in your state thought it was important.
Why do you hate choice?
Why did he need help? Fucking lawyers.
I dunno. I'm just trying to figure out why you want to keep Kanye down. What about him offends you?
Other than being unqualified and halfassed in his effort and that his music sucks, nothing offends me about him.
Do we really need another idiot on the ballot?
"Unqualified." Oh, well, golly, we can't have that ...
Look, you strike me as the type of guy who has been eating vanilla ice cream for that last 60 years. But, don't hate on those of us who still enjoy sampling at 31 Flavors! If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers
And somehow Kanye got on the ballot in your state. Not sure if that matters, but some of the GOP folks in your state thought it was important.
Why do you hate choice?
Why did he need help? Fucking lawyers.
Oh Biden and Trump filled out their own paperwork? Don't embarrass yourself anymore
Of course not. They are their party’s nominee, with that comes support. Don’t be stupid.
Kanye is an unqualified clown looking for attention. I’m not sure why a GOP lawyer wants to be associated with another one of those in the 2020 election.
Actually they aren't the nominees. Why do you want to foreclose the ballot to people and perpetuate the duopoly?
And somehow Kanye got on the ballot in your state. Not sure if that matters, but some of the GOP folks in your state thought it was important.
Why do you hate choice?
Why did he need help? Fucking lawyers.
I dunno. I'm just trying to figure out why you want to keep Kanye down. What about him offends you?
Other than being unqualified and halfassed in his effort and that his music sucks, nothing offends me about him.
Do we really need another idiot on the ballot?
"Unqualified." Oh, well, golly, we can't have that ...
Look, you strike me as the type of guy who has been eating vanilla ice cream for that last 60 years. But, don't hate on those of us who still enjoy sampling at 31 Flavors!
It’s a sad little move that reeks of desperation by a ballwashing lawyer that knows that her primary clown needs help. It really is pathetic. Suffer Well.
And somehow Kanye got on the ballot in your state. Not sure if that matters, but some of the GOP folks in your state thought it was important.
Why do you hate choice?
Why did he need help? Fucking lawyers.
I dunno. I'm just trying to figure out why you want to keep Kanye down. What about him offends you?
Other than being unqualified and halfassed in his effort and that his music sucks, nothing offends me about him.
Do we really need another idiot on the ballot?
"Unqualified." Oh, well, golly, we can't have that ...
Look, you strike me as the type of guy who has been eating vanilla ice cream for that last 60 years. But, don't hate on those of us who still enjoy sampling at 31 Flavors!
It’s a sad little move that reeks of desperation by a ballwashing lawyer that knows that her primary clown needs help. It really is pathetic.
So would you keep me off the ballot? Would you bitch about me having help?
And somehow Kanye got on the ballot in your state. Not sure if that matters, but some of the GOP folks in your state thought it was important.
Why do you hate choice?
Why did he need help? Fucking lawyers.
I dunno. I'm just trying to figure out why you want to keep Kanye down. What about him offends you?
Other than being unqualified and halfassed in his effort and that his music sucks, nothing offends me about him.
Do we really need another idiot on the ballot?
"Unqualified." Oh, well, golly, we can't have that ...
Look, you strike me as the type of guy who has been eating vanilla ice cream for that last 60 years. But, don't hate on those of us who still enjoy sampling at 31 Flavors!
It’s a sad little move that reeks of desperation by a ballwashing lawyer that knows that her primary clown needs help. It really is pathetic.
So would you keep me off the ballot? Would you bitch about me having help?
I would love to see you on the ballot. And at the debates. The pedantry of those would be must see tv. You should run. Hell, I might even vote for you.
But, if another party helped you get on the ballot, I would find you to be unworthy and just not a viable candidate. And I would find that the party that helped you to be desperate and pathetic. Suffer Well.
First of all, I agree with your post assuming that there's no additional information that would clear it up.
Having said that, he can win without Wisconsin. I'm only guessing that MAYBE because of the pandemic, he's picking and choosing where to focus, and PA and OH are going to take priority.
Again, just a guess.
Assuming no drastic demographic changes, he needs to pick up 43 points from Hillary:
FL - 29 PA - 20 OH - 18 MI - 16 WI - 10 IA - 6
If he's going to neglect anything, it would be Iowa, and then Wisconsin. -----------------------------Baron Von Speedypants -----------------------------RunTraining articles here: http://forum.slowtwitch.com/...runtraining;#1612485
Biden seems to be hellbent on having history repeat itself.
Look, I understand having to heavily modify the DNC Convention. But, Biden just announced he will not travel in person to Milwaukee to accept the nomination. There has been a lot of chatter by my Donkey friends and my Donkey Operative friends pointing out that Biden has not been here and plans absolutely no visits. The WI DNC has been promising a lot of money for Milwaukee due to this convention, which is now not going to happen. They are now scrambling to rally the troops who were looking forward to this "party."
People are ridiculously fickle. If Biden thinks he can ignore Wisconsin, well, maybe he is right. But, history does not support that position and, to be honest, I cannot figure out why he seems to be flirting with attempts to snatch defeat from the hands of victory....
One would think the pollsters working for him weighed the down side as you describe. They must have found an upside as well. I hope he reconsiders.
Hillary "ignoring" Wisconsin is such a dumb thing to say.
First, she focused the last couple weeks on Pennsylvania and Florida, because she had to win one of those. Which was 100% correct, who cares if she wins Wisconsin is she loses Pennsylvania and Florida.
Second, the demographics that slid to trump in Wisconsin were the same as what happened in Pennsylvania. So the evidence we have says campaigning in person would not have made the difference required. Plus who cares if she wins Wisconsin if she loses Pennsylvania and Florida.
Also, Biden has spent way more in advertising in already in Wisconsin than Clinton did in the whole campaign.
LOL! Hillary completely ignored Wisconsin and every strategist blasted her for it.
Man, you Donkeys are really dumb.
Not every strategist, just the dumb ones. I guess I know which one you are.
Seriously, Clinton's team made a bunch of mistakes, but campaigning in Pennsylvania and Florida instead of Wisconsin was not one of them. There is no point at all of winning Wisconsin if you lose Pennsylvania.
And somehow Kanye got on the ballot in your state. Not sure if that matters, but some of the GOP folks in your state thought it was important.
Doubt he actually makes the ballot. You need 2,000 and they turned in ~2,500. Normally only 50% of the ones turned in are valid. So likely he does not have enough valid ones, unless he ends up with a much higher than normal valid signatures.
Hillary "ignoring" Wisconsin is such a dumb thing to say.
First, she focused the last couple weeks on Pennsylvania and Florida, because she had to win one of those. Which was 100% correct, who cares if she wins Wisconsin is she loses Pennsylvania and Florida.
Second, the demographics that slid to trump in Wisconsin were the same as what happened in Pennsylvania. So the evidence we have says campaigning in person would not have made the difference required. Plus who cares if she wins Wisconsin if she loses Pennsylvania and Florida.
Also, Biden has spent way more in advertising in already in Wisconsin than Clinton did in the whole campaign.
LOL! Hillary completely ignored Wisconsin and every strategist blasted her for it.
Man, you Donkeys are really dumb.
Not every strategist, just the dumb ones. I guess I know which one you are.
Seriously, Clinton's team made a bunch of mistakes, but campaigning in Pennsylvania and Florida instead of Wisconsin was not one of them. There is no point at all of winning Wisconsin if you lose Pennsylvania.
First of all, I agree with your post assuming that there's no additional information that would clear it up.
Having said that, he can win without Wisconsin. I'm only guessing that MAYBE because of the pandemic, he's picking and choosing where to focus, and PA and OH are going to take priority.
Again, just a guess.
Assuming no drastic demographic changes, he needs to pick up 43 points from Hillary:
FL - 29 PA - 20 OH - 18 MI - 16 WI - 10 IA - 6
If he's going to neglect anything, it would be Iowa, and then Wisconsin.
Winning combinations:
FL + PA = 49 FL + OH = 47 FL + MI = 45 FL + WI + IA = 45 PA + OH + MI = 54 PA + OH + WI = 48 PA + OH + IA = 44 OH + MI + WI = 44
Three of those combinations include WI.
Having said that, Ohio and Iowa were not really close. So realistically, at least in 2016, these were the winning combinations:
FL + PA = 49 FL + MI = 45
So, yeah, I wouldn't have bothered with Wisconsin, either. The only chances to win were Florida + either PA or Michigan. -----------------------------Baron Von Speedypants -----------------------------RunTraining articles here: http://forum.slowtwitch.com/...runtraining;#1612485
Hillary "ignoring" Wisconsin is such a dumb thing to say.
First, she focused the last couple weeks on Pennsylvania and Florida, because she had to win one of those. Which was 100% correct, who cares if she wins Wisconsin is she loses Pennsylvania and Florida.
Second, the demographics that slid to trump in Wisconsin were the same as what happened in Pennsylvania. So the evidence we have says campaigning in person would not have made the difference required. Plus who cares if she wins Wisconsin if she loses Pennsylvania and Florida.
Also, Biden has spent way more in advertising in already in Wisconsin than Clinton did in the whole campaign.
LOL! Hillary completely ignored Wisconsin and every strategist blasted her for it.
Man, you Donkeys are really dumb.
Not every strategist, just the dumb ones. I guess I know which one you are.
Seriously, Clinton's team made a bunch of mistakes, but campaigning in Pennsylvania and Florida instead of Wisconsin was not one of them. There is no point at all of winning Wisconsin if you lose Pennsylvania.
Did not visit once.
And that was smart. If you believe visiting a state is important, it was much more important to visit Pennsylvania and Florida, because if Hillary lost both, she loses to trump.
Hillary "ignoring" Wisconsin is such a dumb thing to say.
First, she focused the last couple weeks on Pennsylvania and Florida, because she had to win one of those. Which was 100% correct, who cares if she wins Wisconsin is she loses Pennsylvania and Florida.
Second, the demographics that slid to trump in Wisconsin were the same as what happened in Pennsylvania. So the evidence we have says campaigning in person would not have made the difference required. Plus who cares if she wins Wisconsin if she loses Pennsylvania and Florida.
Also, Biden has spent way more in advertising in already in Wisconsin than Clinton did in the whole campaign.
LOL! Hillary completely ignored Wisconsin and every strategist blasted her for it.
Man, you Donkeys are really dumb.
Not every strategist, just the dumb ones. I guess I know which one you are.
Seriously, Clinton's team made a bunch of mistakes, but campaigning in Pennsylvania and Florida instead of Wisconsin was not one of them. There is no point at all of winning Wisconsin if you lose Pennsylvania.
Did not visit once.
And that was smart. If you believe visiting a state is important, it was much more important to visit Pennsylvania and Florida, because if Hillary lost both, she loses to trump.
You keep writing that like it's supposed to mean something. What part of "doesn't help her win" are you not understanding?
There were 22 states that didn't get a single visit by either candidate. -----------------------------Baron Von Speedypants -----------------------------RunTraining articles here: http://forum.slowtwitch.com/...runtraining;#1612485
I'm not doing the math for you again. You've been provided the information. You either aren't willing to understand, or are unable to understand. -----------------------------Baron Von Speedypants -----------------------------RunTraining articles here: http://forum.slowtwitch.com/...runtraining;#1612485
If Biden loses WI with zero visits and consequently the White House every Democratic strategist in the country should be fired and then tarred and feathered before being drawn and quartered and their heads placed on a pike.
If Trump wins again then all of Wisconsin should be fired and then tarred and feathered before being drawn and quartered. I'll give them a pass on the pike on the head because there is obvioiusly nothing in there. .
Let me know when you can elect your head of state ...mmmm 'mkay?
hey everyone, interesting fact: did you know that canada is a constitutional monarchy?
It must really stink to live in Wisconsin if three and a half years later you're still crying ''Whaaaa, Hillary ignore me''
And then crying ''Biden's ignoring me too'' even though we are in a world wide pandemic.
So go ahead, vote for the orange haired bullshitter. He's your guy anyway! --------------------------- ''Sweeney - you can both crush your AG *and* cruise in dead last!! đź‚ '' Murphy's Law
Look no further than Ron Johnson....what a putz this guy is. Don’t want to vote for dem, then put up a sane candidate, not a Putin puppet and pathological liar. Hogan, kasich, Jeb, just not desantis or Kemp. Sasse, Thune, just about anyone better than bonespurs.
It must really stink to live in Wisconsin if three and a half years later you're still crying ''Whaaaa, Hillary ignore me''
And then crying ''Biden's ignoring me too'' even though we are in a world wide pandemic.
So go ahead, vote for the orange haired bullshitter. He's your guy anyway!
I’d imagine for the people of Wisconsin it’s easier to say they didn’t vote for Hillary because she didn’t visit than to admit that they DID vote for the blatantly racist guy who admitted to sexually assaulting women.
If Biden loses WI with zero visits and consequently the White House every Democratic strategist in the country should be fired and then tarred and feathered before being drawn and quartered and their heads placed on a pike.
If Trump wins again then all of Wisconsin should be fired and then tarred and feathered before being drawn and quartered. I'll give them a pass on the pike on the head because there is obvioiusly nothing in there. .
Let me know when you can elect your head of state ...mmmm 'mkay?
hey everyone, interesting fact: did you know that canada is a constitutional monarchy?
I'm not doing the math for you again. You've been provided the information. You either aren't willing to understand, or are unable to understand.
I’ll do the math, the man is right.
Let’s say she found time to visit Wisconsin and that was enough to get her the state.
Trump now only has 294 electoral college votes while Hillary has 237. See? She clearly screwed up.
This is the way to justify another vote for Trump. It's the Dems fault they nominated Trump and pushed for his election. _____ TEAM HD Each day is what you make of it so make it the best day possible.
If Biden loses WI with zero visits and consequently the White House every Democratic strategist in the country should be fired and then tarred and feathered before being drawn and quartered and their heads placed on a pike.
If Trump wins again then all of Wisconsin should be fired and then tarred and feathered before being drawn and quartered. I'll give them a pass on the pike on the head because there is obvioiusly nothing in there. .
Let me know when you can elect your head of state ...mmmm 'mkay?
I dunno man, it's not like we are doing all that great with our currently elected head of state...
Hillary "ignoring" Wisconsin is such a dumb thing to say.
First, she focused the last couple weeks on Pennsylvania and Florida, because she had to win one of those. Which was 100% correct, who cares if she wins Wisconsin is she loses Pennsylvania and Florida.
Second, the demographics that slid to trump in Wisconsin were the same as what happened in Pennsylvania. So the evidence we have says campaigning in person would not have made the difference required. Plus who cares if she wins Wisconsin if she loses Pennsylvania and Florida.
Also, Biden has spent way more in advertising in already in Wisconsin than Clinton did in the whole campaign.
LOL! Hillary completely ignored Wisconsin and every strategist blasted her for it.
Man, you Donkeys are really dumb.
just remember, if you're going to talk about donkeys, you need to know what a donkey is. in one of your GIF storms you posted what you thought was a donkey...
and then you proceeded to argue with me over whether it was a donkey or a mule. you could have looked at the name of your own file: mule-bridle-racer.
so, to be clear:
the people you love to hate are represented by the BOTTOM image, among the two just above. not the TOP image. know thine enemy. carry on... Dan Empfield aka Slowman
Just curious for no reason related to this thread whatsoever. -----------------------------Baron Von Speedypants -----------------------------RunTraining articles here: http://forum.slowtwitch.com/...runtraining;#1612485
Look, I understand having to heavily modify the DNC Convention. But, Biden just announced he will not travel in person to Milwaukee to accept the nomination. There has been a lot of chatter by my Donkey friends and my Donkey Operative friends pointing out that Biden has not been here and plans absolutely no visits. The WI DNC has been promising a lot of money for Milwaukee due to this convention, which is now not going to happen. They are now scrambling to rally the troops who were looking forward to this "party."
People are ridiculously fickle. If Biden thinks he can ignore Wisconsin, well, maybe he is right. But, history does not support that position and, to be honest, I cannot figure out why he seems to be flirting with attempts to snatch defeat from the hands of victory....
You're assuming that Clinton's visits to Wisconsin would have helped her.
In 2016, the most visited States by Clinton were Penn, Ohio and Florida and she lost each.
Biden's strategy might be that he can only harm himself by showing up so just let Trump self-implode.
It must really stink to live in Wisconsin if three and a half years later you're still crying ''Whaaaa, Hillary ignore me''
And then crying ''Biden's ignoring me too'' even though we are in a world wide pandemic.
But, it's easier than admitting you voted for Trump and will again.
They really had no choice.
How could you possibly make an informed decision if they don't visit an arbitrary location based on where you live? Which is more important a set of principles you agree with or if they visit some arbitrary location relative to where you live? Obviously, the arbitrary location is more important for smart people.
I lived in Wisconsin in 2016. I wasn't a Hillary fan but definitely didn't want Trump.
After she lost the primary I figured when she came to visit I would go and see what she offered. She never came, I never voted for her.
I really disliked her attitude and I felt she didn't need my vote and thought she would win.
I regret it, but I know I am not the only one that thought this way.
Seriously dems, don't F this up.
+1, same for me.
So regardless of all of the commercials, the speeches, the years in the public eye, it took a visit to Wisconsin to convince you to vote for her? Come on, you weren't going to vote for her and this is the excuse. _____ TEAM HD Each day is what you make of it so make it the best day possible.
I lived in Wisconsin in 2016. I wasn't a Hillary fan but definitely didn't want Trump.
After she lost the primary I figured when she came to visit I would go and see what she offered. She never came, I never voted for her.
I really disliked her attitude and I felt she didn't need my vote and thought she would win.
I regret it, but I know I am not the only one that thought this way.
Seriously dems, don't F this up.
can i offer another option? you were presented a binary choice. you had ample opportunity to make up your mind. you choose poorly. own what you did. don't repeat your mistake. don't blame it on somebody else. Dan Empfield aka Slowman
I lived in Wisconsin in 2016. I wasn't a Hillary fan but definitely didn't want Trump.
After she lost the primary I figured when she came to visit I would go and see what she offered. She never came, I never voted for her.
I really disliked her attitude and I felt she didn't need my vote and thought she would win.
I regret it, but I know I am not the only one that thought this way.
Seriously dems, don't F this up.
+1, same for me.
So regardless of all of the commercials, the speeches, the years in the public eye, it took a visit to Wisconsin to convince you to vote for her? Come on, you weren't going to vote for her and this is the excuse.
Out of curiosity, do presidents ever really do anything state specific?
I'm imagining picking the coach of a football team in the same manner. "He needs to be a solid family man who goes to church on Sundays. But if he doesn't visit my state, then I'm not interested. Oh, and if his supporters tell me I'm dumb for picking the bad coach over him, well, then I'm going to do it and it'll be all their fault for ridiculing me!" -----------------------------Baron Von Speedypants -----------------------------RunTraining articles here: http://forum.slowtwitch.com/...runtraining;#1612485
I lived in Wisconsin in 2016. I wasn't a Hillary fan but definitely didn't want Trump.
After she lost the primary I figured when she came to visit I would go and see what she offered. She never came, I never voted for her.
I really disliked her attitude and I felt she didn't need my vote and thought she would win.
I regret it, but I know I am not the only one that thought this way.
Seriously dems, don't F this up.
can i offer another option? you were presented a binary choice. you had ample opportunity to make up your mind. you choose poorly. own what you did. don't repeat your mistake. don't blame it on somebody else.
I lived in Wisconsin in 2016. I wasn't a Hillary fan but definitely didn't want Trump.
After she lost the primary I figured when she came to visit I would go and see what she offered. She never came, I never voted for her.
I really disliked her attitude and I felt she didn't need my vote and thought she would win.
I regret it, but I know I am not the only one that thought this way.
Seriously dems, don't F this up.
can i offer another option? you were presented a binary choice. you had ample opportunity to make up your mind. you choose poorly. own what you did. don't repeat your mistake. don't blame it on somebody else.
Yeah this is what frustrates me with people injecting their opinions on my choices.
Yes I did own and and mentioned I regret it.
I am not blaming it on someone else, but neither candidate earned my vote. We all choose for who we vote for differently.
If there is one thing I have learned over the past 4 years and moving to a very red state it is this.
Many people voted for Trump for a myriad of reasons, but what keeps coming up the most is many felt they could relate to Trump and that he put Americans first. It was similar to Obama and his message of Hope if 2008.
I have seen a much different world since 2016 and many people really identify with Trump and his personality that no other politician ever has. He doesn't speak well, but people don't want great speakers, they want someone that can talk at their level. Say what you want about Trump but that is why so many absolutely love him.
For me I couldn't identify, relate, or trust either candidate. In 2016 you were not getting my vote as the lesser of the two evils, you earn my vote because I am paying you.
Look, I understand having to heavily modify the DNC Convention. But, Biden just announced he will not travel in person to Milwaukee to accept the nomination. There has been a lot of chatter by my Donkey friends and my Donkey Operative friends pointing out that Biden has not been here and plans absolutely no visits. The WI DNC has been promising a lot of money for Milwaukee due to this convention, which is now not going to happen. They are now scrambling to rally the troops who were looking forward to this "party."
People are ridiculously fickle. If Biden thinks he can ignore Wisconsin, well, maybe he is right. But, history does not support that position and, to be honest, I cannot figure out why he seems to be flirting with attempts to snatch defeat from the hands of victory....
You're assuming that Clinton's visits to Wisconsin would have helped her.
In 2016, the most visited States by Clinton were Penn, Ohio and Florida and she lost each.
Biden's strategy might be that he can only harm himself by showing up so just let Trump self-implode.
that appears to be the nationwide Biden strategy not just the WI Biden strategy.
People are ridiculously fickle. If Biden thinks he can ignore Wisconsin, well, maybe he is right. But, history does not support that position and, to be honest, I cannot figure out why he seems to be flirting with attempts to snatch defeat from the hands of victory....
I think your separation of attending "the convention" which happens to be in Milwaukee and "campaigning" in Wisconsin are two different items. Which you helped differentiate in a subsequent post.
Biden not attending the acceptance, yeah, maybe that's a smart choice on his part to stay healthy but maybe not the best strategic move for the Dem party and the convention. A little air out of the room but there's a pandemic on and the Dem party in Milwaukee is toast anyway.
His not campaigning in Wisconsin? Well, he's spending money on ads, but I think his best play is to stay in the basement and just let the opposition keep destroying themselves. If Trump wants to hurt Trump's chances, well then stand back and let him. Biden cannot play in the Trump-defined sandbox anyway, Trump wins in any head-to-head spat match. Just.stay.out.of.the.way and let Trump self-destruct. People mostly aren't electing Biden, they're simply trying to elect anyone but Trump. Sure, Biden, like Hillary, has all kinds of position papers which the vast majority of voters aren't going to bother to even glance at nor digest in any capacity. Their N=1 conversation about a slight from a Union rep from 27 years ago or from Fred at the gas station carries more weight.
And as another poster said, the people of Wisconsin elected, then re-elected Ron Johnson. Almost anyone who can fog a mirror sees what a light-weight Johnson is. Almost anyone, except a majority of voters in Wisconsin.
I lived in Wisconsin in 2016. I wasn't a Hillary fan but definitely didn't want Trump.
After she lost the primary I figured when she came to visit I would go and see what she offered. She never came, I never voted for her.
I really disliked her attitude and I felt she didn't need my vote and thought she would win.
I regret it, but I know I am not the only one that thought this way.
Seriously dems, don't F this up.
can i offer another option? you were presented a binary choice. you had ample opportunity to make up your mind. you choose poorly. own what you did. don't repeat your mistake. don't blame it on somebody else.
Yeah this is what frustrates me with people injecting their opinions on my choices.
Yes I did own and and mentioned I regret it.
I am not blaming it on someone else, but neither candidate earned my vote. We all choose for who we vote for differently.
If there is one thing I have learned over the past 4 years and moving to a very red state it is this.
Many people voted for Trump for a myriad of reasons, but what keeps coming up the most is many felt they could relate to Trump and that he put Americans first. It was similar to Obama and his message of Hope if 2008.
I have seen a much different world since 2016 and many people really identify with Trump and his personality that no other politician ever has. He doesn't speak well, but people don't want great speakers, they want someone that can talk at their level. Say what you want about Trump but that is why so many absolutely love him.
For me I couldn't identify, relate, or trust either candidate. In 2016 you were not getting my vote as the lesser of the two evils, you earn my vote because I am paying you.
hillary earned your vote. she earned it because she was smart, qualified, effective. in everything she did, she was pretty effective. you chose not to vote for her because you didn't like her. okay. but what i keep hearing about trump supporters is that they aren't voting for pastor, father, husband. you tell me why trump is given the pass on everything that should speak volumes, but hillary is held to some standard that is unattainable.
democrats didn't blow it, my friend. foolish voters blew it. there's a thread on hillary right now. what would be different in america if hillary was elected? we'd have 20,000 coronavirus deaths instead of 160,000. NATO would be our ally, and russia our adversary. we wouldn't have a trade war. or a president whose words have become irrelevant because the whole world has awoken to the fact that what our president says carries exactly zero weight.
but if hillary were elected, you would be uninspired by your leader. hillary did not inspire you. so you chose another option, and you got what you chose, and you're now asking democrats not to blow it again? this is like having a spouse that you got a little too used to, and you strayed, you wanted a little strange, and you certainly got strange, and you saw the consequences of strange, and now you're asking your spouse to not blow it again. okay. Dan Empfield aka Slowman
It's fascinating that you are telling me Hillary earned my vote knowing absolutely nothing about me or what I wanted I 2016 or what was important to me.
Being a lifelong democrat from one of the most liberal cities in the US (Madison, WI) this is the attitude that frustrates me so much.
I got what I chose and I voted in 2016 just didn't check a box on the presidential ballot.
Why was the DNC slated for Wisconsin? I'm going to guess they chose Wisc partially because it is midwest swing state, and partially because of the negative press surrounding being ignored last election.
Now the convention is virtual and the Candidate is snubbing them. There is no reason to think this won't effect the Dem influence in the midwest.... I'd bet if the DNC was in NY or CA, Biden would be told he must attend.
Why was the DNC slated for Wisconsin? I'm going to guess they chose Wisc partially because it is midwest swing state, and partially because of the negative press surrounding being ignored last election.
Now the convention is virtual and the Candidate is snubbing them. There is no reason to think this won't effect the Dem influence in the midwest.... I'd bet if the DNC was in NY or CA, Biden would be told he must attend.
It wouldn't matter in Cali or NY. GOP was slated for FL for a reason too
City of Milwaukee put in a bid for the DNC without even discussing if they could handle such a thing. FYI City of Milwaukee Proper has 1864 sworn in police officers on duty today. The DNC would require another 1800 officers to be added to the force, brought in from outside agencies, etc.
Good thing COVID hit, as a resident of Milwaukee we aren't prepared at all for something like this anyway. Even if Biden did come, no way he's winning Wisconsin.
And somehow Kanye got on the ballot in your state. Not sure if that matters, but some of the GOP folks in your state thought it was important.
Why do you hate choice?
Why did he need help? Fucking lawyers.
I dunno. I'm just trying to figure out why you want to keep Kanye down. What about him offends you?
Other than being unqualified and halfassed in his effort and that his music sucks, nothing offends me about him.
Do we really need another idiot on the ballot?
"Unqualified." Oh, well, golly, we can't have that ...
Look, you strike me as the type of guy who has been eating vanilla ice cream for that last 60 years. But, don't hate on those of us who still enjoy sampling at 31 Flavors!
It’s a sad little move that reeks of desperation by a ballwashing lawyer that knows that her primary clown needs help. It really is pathetic.
Not sure why you hate Kayne so much. Perhaps you need to look in the mirror and ask yourself why. If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers
Seriously though. Look at the state of your country right now.
How anyone with a brain in their head could vote for him again is absolutely beyond me.
So vote how you will. You’ll get the President you deserve.
You are preaching to the choir my brother from a northern mother!
I don't know how many times I have to keep saying - people are fickle! Team Donkey should have a layup here and they just seem to keep committing unforced errors!
We got the POTUS we deserved in 2016. We did. I fear history will repeat itself. If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers
First of all, I agree with your post assuming that there's no additional information that would clear it up.
Having said that, he can win without Wisconsin. I'm only guessing that MAYBE because of the pandemic, he's picking and choosing where to focus, and PA and OH are going to take priority.
Again, just a guess.
Assuming no drastic demographic changes, he needs to pick up 43 points from Hillary:
FL - 29 PA - 20 OH - 18 MI - 16 WI - 10 IA - 6
If he's going to neglect anything, it would be Iowa, and then Wisconsin.
You are absolute right - he CAN. He is, technically, able to do so. But, why play with fire??????
That's my only point. I don't understand the strategy and he is pissing off his own people. Now, of course that is NOT going to make them switch votes. Not at all. But, Hillary lost WI in large part due to voter turnout and that could happen again with Biden ignoring WI.
I'm not saying he WILL loose WI, I am merely banging my head against the wall asking - WHY??? Admittedly, I am disappointed over the cancellation of the DNC Convention for the simple fact that it would have pumped millions of dollars into MKE.
But, I cannot get over his blowing off the state ... If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers
It must really stink to live in Wisconsin if three and a half years later you're still crying ''Whaaaa, Hillary ignore me''
And then crying ''Biden's ignoring me too'' even though we are in a world wide pandemic.
So go ahead, vote for the orange haired bullshitter. He's your guy anyway!
You should visit. Team Donkey ignores the state and the State Legislature made unions their bitch. That's why it's called God's Country. If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers
I lived in Wisconsin in 2016. I wasn't a Hillary fan but definitely didn't want Trump.
After she lost the primary I figured when she came to visit I would go and see what she offered. She never came, I never voted for her.
I really disliked her attitude and I felt she didn't need my vote and thought she would win.
I regret it, but I know I am not the only one that thought this way.
Seriously dems, don't F this up.
can i offer another option? you were presented a binary choice. you had ample opportunity to make up your mind. you choose poorly. own what you did. don't repeat your mistake. don't blame it on somebody else.
Yeah this is what frustrates me with people injecting their opinions on my choices.
Yes I did own and and mentioned I regret it.
I am not blaming it on someone else, but neither candidate earned my vote. We all choose for who we vote for differently.
If there is one thing I have learned over the past 4 years and moving to a very red state it is this.
Many people voted for Trump for a myriad of reasons, but what keeps coming up the most is many felt they could relate to Trump and that he put Americans first. It was similar to Obama and his message of Hope if 2008.
I have seen a much different world since 2016 and many people really identify with Trump and his personality that no other politician ever has. He doesn't speak well, but people don't want great speakers, they want someone that can talk at their level. Say what you want about Trump but that is why so many absolutely love him.
For me I couldn't identify, relate, or trust either candidate. In 2016 you were not getting my vote as the lesser of the two evils, you earn my vote because I am paying you.
hillary earned your vote. she earned it because she was smart, qualified, effective. in everything she did, she was pretty effective. you chose not to vote for her because you didn't like her. okay. but what i keep hearing about trump supporters is that they aren't voting for pastor, father, husband. you tell me why trump is given the pass on everything that should speak volumes, but hillary is held to some standard that is unattainable.
democrats didn't blow it, my friend. foolish voters blew it. there's a thread on hillary right now. what would be different in america if hillary was elected? we'd have 20,000 coronavirus deaths instead of 160,000. NATO would be our ally, and russia our adversary. we wouldn't have a trade war. or a president whose words have become irrelevant because the whole world has awoken to the fact that what our president says carries exactly zero weight.
but if hillary were elected, you would be uninspired by your leader. hillary did not inspire you. so you chose another option, and you got what you chose, and you're now asking democrats not to blow it again? this is like having a spouse that you got a little too used to, and you strayed, you wanted a little strange, and you certainly got strange, and you saw the consequences of strange, and now you're asking your spouse to not blow it again. okay.
I think this viewpoint and position should be separately highlighted and repeated
People are ridiculously fickle. If Biden thinks he can ignore Wisconsin, well, maybe he is right. But, history does not support that position and, to be honest, I cannot figure out why he seems to be flirting with attempts to snatch defeat from the hands of victory....
I think your separation of attending "the convention" which happens to be in Milwaukee and "campaigning" in Wisconsin are two different items. Which you helped differentiate in a subsequent post.
Biden not attending the acceptance, yeah, maybe that's a smart choice on his part to stay healthy but maybe not the best strategic move for the Dem party and the convention. A little air out of the room but there's a pandemic on and the Dem party in Milwaukee is toast anyway.
His not campaigning in Wisconsin? Well, he's spending money on ads, but I think his best play is to stay in the basement and just let the opposition keep destroying themselves. If Trump wants to hurt Trump's chances, well then stand back and let him. Biden cannot play in the Trump-defined sandbox anyway, Trump wins in any head-to-head spat match. Just.stay.out.of.the.way and let Trump self-destruct. People mostly aren't electing Biden, they're simply trying to elect anyone but Trump. Sure, Biden, like Hillary, has all kinds of position papers which the vast majority of voters aren't going to bother to even glance at nor digest in any capacity. Their N=1 conversation about a slight from a Union rep from 27 years ago or from Fred at the gas station carries more weight.
And as another poster said, the people of Wisconsin elected, then re-elected Ron Johnson. Almost anyone who can fog a mirror sees what a light-weight Johnson is. Almost anyone, except a majority of voters in Wisconsin.
As a purple state, the way Wisconsin goes depends completely on voter turnout. There are some cross-voters, sure. But, local polsters have correctly picked winners based entirely on voter turnout for about the past 30 years. Turnout is also a very fickle thing. It continues to boggle the mind, but, the average Joe and Jane need to be motivated to get out and vote. Motivation rarely comes from political ads. History has shown a candidate's presence in the state directly correlates to the motivation level of a certain group. For better or worse, that's what the numbers have shown. If Joe feels his physical presence in the state is not needed, well, that's his decision. His presence or absence will not impact my vote. But, my colleagues who work with the WI Dem Party are very nervous and very upset by the decision. They are in a far better position to ascertain the impact on turnout of their party members than I and they are concerned. If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers
And somehow Kanye got on the ballot in your state. Not sure if that matters, but some of the GOP folks in your state thought it was important.
Why do you hate choice?
Why did he need help? Fucking lawyers.
I dunno. I'm just trying to figure out why you want to keep Kanye down. What about him offends you?
Other than being unqualified and halfassed in his effort and that his music sucks, nothing offends me about him.
Do we really need another idiot on the ballot?
"Unqualified." Oh, well, golly, we can't have that ...
Look, you strike me as the type of guy who has been eating vanilla ice cream for that last 60 years. But, don't hate on those of us who still enjoy sampling at 31 Flavors!
It’s a sad little move that reeks of desperation by a ballwashing lawyer that knows that her primary clown needs help. It really is pathetic.
Not sure why you hate Kayne so much. Perhaps you need to look in the mirror and ask yourself why.
Keep deflecting. Typical JSA when you can't argue on substance.
You continue to try to make this about me, when it is about the GOP party of your state enabling the candidacy of guy who isn't part of the party. I can only assume that they hope that having him on the ballot would pull votes away from Biden because they know Trump is weak in the state and stands a better than even chance of getting beat.
As for your implication of something else about me, kindly get bent.
If you and your state are so fickle- and thin skinned- that they need Joe to come give them a personal visit to get their vote after the last 3.5 years of Trump, I don't know what to tell you. Suffer Well.
I lived in Wisconsin in 2016. I wasn't a Hillary fan but definitely didn't want Trump.
After she lost the primary I figured when she came to visit I would go and see what she offered. She never came, I never voted for her.
I really disliked her attitude and I felt she didn't need my vote and thought she would win.
I regret it, but I know I am not the only one that thought this way.
Seriously dems, don't F this up.
can i offer another option? you were presented a binary choice. you had ample opportunity to make up your mind. you choose poorly. own what you did. don't repeat your mistake. don't blame it on somebody else.
Yeah this is what frustrates me with people injecting their opinions on my choices.
Yes I did own and and mentioned I regret it.
I am not blaming it on someone else, but neither candidate earned my vote. We all choose for who we vote for differently.
If there is one thing I have learned over the past 4 years and moving to a very red state it is this.
Many people voted for Trump for a myriad of reasons, but what keeps coming up the most is many felt they could relate to Trump and that he put Americans first. It was similar to Obama and his message of Hope if 2008.
I have seen a much different world since 2016 and many people really identify with Trump and his personality that no other politician ever has. He doesn't speak well, but people don't want great speakers, they want someone that can talk at their level. Say what you want about Trump but that is why so many absolutely love him.
For me I couldn't identify, relate, or trust either candidate. In 2016 you were not getting my vote as the lesser of the two evils, you earn my vote because I am paying you.
hillary earned your vote. she earned it because she was smart, qualified, effective. in everything she did, she was pretty effective. you chose not to vote for her because you didn't like her. okay. but what i keep hearing about trump supporters is that they aren't voting for pastor, father, husband. you tell me why trump is given the pass on everything that should speak volumes, but hillary is held to some standard that is unattainable.
democrats didn't blow it, my friend. foolish voters blew it. there's a thread on hillary right now. what would be different in america if hillary was elected? we'd have 20,000 coronavirus deaths instead of 160,000. NATO would be our ally, and russia our adversary. we wouldn't have a trade war. or a president whose words have become irrelevant because the whole world has awoken to the fact that what our president says carries exactly zero weight.
but if hillary were elected, you would be uninspired by your leader. hillary did not inspire you. so you chose another option, and you got what you chose, and you're now asking democrats not to blow it again? this is like having a spouse that you got a little too used to, and you strayed, you wanted a little strange, and you certainly got strange, and you saw the consequences of strange, and now you're asking your spouse to not blow it again. okay.
I think this viewpoint and position should be separately highlighted and repeated
But it is BS? There is no way to know what the difference in deaths would be. Heck there might not have been any travel ban thus increasing the deaths. I'm not saying Trump has done a good job with Corona. Far from it. He has done terrible, but to think that Hillary would snap her fingers and Covid would stop killing people is dumb. Maybe policy from the feds would change things, but only if the states listened. And there are few Red states that would listen to Hill.
But it is BS? There is no way to know what the difference in deaths would be.
there is a way to know what the difference would be.
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Heck there might not have been any travel ban thus increasing the deaths.
There was a travel ban?
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I'm not saying Trump has done a good job with Corona.
that's exactly what you're saying.
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but only if the states listened. And there are few Red states that would listen to Hill.
you should consider the "because I said so doctrine", of which former Secretary of State Clinton is most certainly a practitioner of. States, or anybody really, don't "listen", they obey, or not. Because states are not "states" they are organizations, represented by actual people. It's because I said so. Compelled, not convinced.
Or in other words, I can't make you do anything, but I can sure make you wish you had... Eric Reid AeroFit | Instagram Portfolio Aerodynamic Retul Bike Fitting
“You are experiencing the criminal coverup of a foreign backed fascist hostile takeover of a mafia shakedown of an authoritarian religious slow motion coup. Persuade people to vote for Democracy.”
Keep deflecting. Typical JSA when you can't argue on substance.
You continue to try to make this about me, when it is about the GOP party of your state enabling the candidacy of guy who isn't part of the party. I can only assume that they hope that having him on the ballot would pull votes away from Biden because they know Trump is weak in the state and stands a better than even chance of getting beat.
As for you implication of something else about me, kindly get bent.
If you and your state is so fickle- and thin skinned- that they need Joe to come give them a personal visit to get their vote after the last 3.5 years of Trump, I don't know what to tell you.
Wisconsin GOP must have thought, "Should we actually address the racism in our party and change our politcies to attract black voters? Nope, lets just get Kanye on the ballot."
Of course the whole Kanye on the ballot is just a really bad plan if you think it is going to attract black voters that were maybe going to vote for Biden. First, most black voters are older and are not going to be voting for Kanye. Second, the young ones that sometimes vote are much more politically involved that average, they are not going to be voting for Kanye.
Their logic apparently is that black people will just vote for the black person, which shows a serious and deeper problem with the GOP.
As a purple state, the way Wisconsin goes depends completely on voter turnout. There are some cross-voters, sure. But, local polsters have correctly picked winners based entirely on voter turnout for about the past 30 years. Turnout is also a very fickle thing. It continues to boggle the mind, but, the average Joe and Jane need to be motivated to get out and vote. Motivation rarely comes from political ads. History has shown a candidate's presence in the state directly correlates to the motivation level of a certain group. For better or worse, that's what the numbers have shown. If Joe feels his physical presence in the state is not needed, well, that's his decision. His presence or absence will not impact my vote. But, my colleagues who work with the WI Dem Party are very nervous and very upset by the decision. They are in a far better position to ascertain the impact on turnout of their party members than I and they are concerned.
Both very true observations. I'd say there was a huge enthusiasm-gap for Hillary in 2016, which cost her, especially in Wisconsin. She is smart, she knew the issues, and people really didn't like her. I don't personally agree her presence in Wisconsin hurt her too much unless she was to target specific communities, such as minority groups which (if I recall correctly, showed poorly when compared to Obama). Trump had the opposite: he wasn't smart, he didn't know issues, but a huge segment of WI liked him.
If Biden can pick a great VP, I'd hope that'd settle down your Dem Party colleagues. I'm hoping for a great VP pick and then Biden can stay in his basement forever.
I lived in Wisconsin in 2016. I wasn't a Hillary fan but definitely didn't want Trump.
After she lost the primary I figured when she came to visit I would go and see what she offered. She never came, I never voted for her.
I really disliked her attitude and I felt she didn't need my vote and thought she would win.
I regret it, but I know I am not the only one that thought this way.
Seriously dems, don't F this up.
can i offer another option? you were presented a binary choice. you had ample opportunity to make up your mind. you choose poorly. own what you did. don't repeat your mistake. don't blame it on somebody else.
Yeah this is what frustrates me with people injecting their opinions on my choices.
Yes I did own and and mentioned I regret it.
I am not blaming it on someone else, but neither candidate earned my vote. We all choose for who we vote for differently.
If there is one thing I have learned over the past 4 years and moving to a very red state it is this.
Many people voted for Trump for a myriad of reasons, but what keeps coming up the most is many felt they could relate to Trump and that he put Americans first. It was similar to Obama and his message of Hope if 2008.
I have seen a much different world since 2016 and many people really identify with Trump and his personality that no other politician ever has. He doesn't speak well, but people don't want great speakers, they want someone that can talk at their level. Say what you want about Trump but that is why so many absolutely love him.
For me I couldn't identify, relate, or trust either candidate. In 2016 you were not getting my vote as the lesser of the two evils, you earn my vote because I am paying you.
hillary earned your vote. she earned it because she was smart, qualified, effective. in everything she did, she was pretty effective. you chose not to vote for her because you didn't like her. okay. but what i keep hearing about trump supporters is that they aren't voting for pastor, father, husband. you tell me why trump is given the pass on everything that should speak volumes, but hillary is held to some standard that is unattainable.
democrats didn't blow it, my friend. foolish voters blew it. there's a thread on hillary right now. what would be different in america if hillary was elected? we'd have 20,000 coronavirus deaths instead of 160,000. NATO would be our ally, and russia our adversary. we wouldn't have a trade war. or a president whose words have become irrelevant because the whole world has awoken to the fact that what our president says carries exactly zero weight.
but if hillary were elected, you would be uninspired by your leader. hillary did not inspire you. so you chose another option, and you got what you chose, and you're now asking democrats not to blow it again? this is like having a spouse that you got a little too used to, and you strayed, you wanted a little strange, and you certainly got strange, and you saw the consequences of strange, and now you're asking your spouse to not blow it again. okay.
I think this viewpoint and position should be separately highlighted and repeated
But it is BS? There is no way to know what the difference in deaths would be. Heck there might not have been any travel ban thus increasing the deaths. I'm not saying Trump has done a good job with Corona. Far from it. He has done terrible, but to think that Hillary would snap her fingers and Covid would stop killing people is dumb. Maybe policy from the feds would change things, but only if the states listened. And there are few Red states that would listen to Hill.
I simply stated that I thought the position was so remarkable, and so demonstrative of an underlying viewpoint, that it should be highlighted so as not to be lost in the other positions taken...…...
Maybe policy from the Feds would change things. But considering the death total in New York and New Jersey alone is nearly double the 20,000 total...….. I have a hard time trying to figure out how "Fed policy" would have shut down mass transit, or prevented state and local leaders from issuing shelter in place orders in an area blanketed by multi generational families who live together in small apartments in high rise buildings. Or stopped a governor from ordering Covid positive people into nursing homes...…..
History will show which of these things were right and wrong. I believe it already is starting to show this. When I've brought it up here I've been told that it was a mistake that's been owned up to and learned from, which is "convenient" given the number of lives involved. But I accept the position because I don't believe the state and local leaders of New York and New Jersey truly intended harm when they made some of these decisions.
But then I come to find that Hillary would have directly made decisions that would have impacted at least 1/2 of these deaths along with apparently preventing every single other in the country...…….
And somehow Kanye got on the ballot in your state. Not sure if that matters, but some of the GOP folks in your state thought it was important.
Why do you hate choice?
Why did he need help? Fucking lawyers.
I dunno. I'm just trying to figure out why you want to keep Kanye down. What about him offends you?
Other than being unqualified and halfassed in his effort and that his music sucks, nothing offends me about him.
Do we really need another idiot on the ballot?
"Unqualified." Oh, well, golly, we can't have that ...
Look, you strike me as the type of guy who has been eating vanilla ice cream for that last 60 years. But, don't hate on those of us who still enjoy sampling at 31 Flavors!
It’s a sad little move that reeks of desperation by a ballwashing lawyer that knows that her primary clown needs help. It really is pathetic.
Not sure why you hate Kayne so much. Perhaps you need to look in the mirror and ask yourself why.
Keep deflecting. Typical JSA when you can't argue on substance.
You continue to try to make this about me, when it is about the GOP party of your state enabling the candidacy of guy who isn't part of the party. I can only assume that they hope that having him on the ballot would pull votes away from Biden because they know Trump is weak in the state and stands a better than even chance of getting beat.
As for your implication of something else about me, kindly get bent.
If you and your state are so fickle- and thin skinned- that they need Joe to come give them a personal visit to get their vote after the last 3.5 years of Trump, I don't know what to tell you.
Well, it is all about you! Many of your posts are all about you. In this case, the topic is you and your opposition to Kayne. First, your team won't sign its franchise QB. Now, you won't stand for Kayne being on the election ballot. What is it with you Cowboy fans? If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers
It's fascinating that you are telling me Hillary earned my vote knowing absolutely nothing about me or what I wanted I 2016 or what was important to me.
Being a lifelong democrat from one of the most liberal cities in the US (Madison, WI) this is the attitude that frustrates me so much.
I got what I chose and I voted in 2016 just didn't check a box on the presidential ballot.
hillary didn't earn your vote. the donald earned your vote. for hillary. now as for hillary, she didn't unearn your vote. there is nothing hillary did that disqualified her. but the donald certainly disqualified himself. you had plenty of evidence before the election of that, and 3 3/4 years of subsequent performance to substantiate what most of america knew in 2016. i'm not trying to rag on you, shame you, harsh your high. i'm recounting history, and my reply to you was on this whole saw of "the democrats not blowing it again." the democrats didn't blow it the first time. the voters blew it. if you feel that the donald is running your country just fine for you, then vote for another 4 years of him. if you feel like biden is more the leader that suits you, vote for him. don't blame your eventual vote on "the democrats." own it yourself. Dan Empfield aka Slowman
Why was the DNC slated for Wisconsin? I'm going to guess they chose Wisc partially because it is midwest swing state, and partially because of the negative press surrounding being ignored last election.
Now the convention is virtual and the Candidate is snubbing them. There is no reason to think this won't effect the Dem influence in the midwest.... I'd bet if the DNC was in NY or CA, Biden would be told he must attend.
the republicans are, by that same reasoning, snubbing both north carolina and florida. you get wisconsin, democrats get NC and FL. alternativeliy, maybe most voters aren't that petulant and childish. Dan Empfield aka Slowman
Deflect, ignore and no substance. Typical lawyer shit.
This is about the GOP Party in your state pulling a pathetic and desperate move to get a guy who isn't even in their party on the ballot in the hopes of helping the election chances of a historically bad candidate from their party. You know it is and you know you can't defend it. If you could have, you would have by now.
But once again, you fail to address the issue. Pathetic. Suffer Well.
Deflect, ignore and no substance. Typical lawyer shit.
This is about the GOP Party in your state pulling a pathetic and desperate move to get a guy who isn't even in their party on the ballot in the hopes of helping the election chances of a historically bad candidate from their party. You know it is and you know you can't defend it. If you could have, you would have by now.
But once again, you fail to address the issue. Pathetic.
The worst part is the racism being used to try and sway the election. They chose Kanye for one reason and one reason only. They are hoping black voters go to Kanye instead of Joe. That’s disgusting. _____ TEAM HD Each day is what you make of it so make it the best day possible.
Deflect, ignore and no substance. Typical lawyer shit.
This is about the GOP Party in your state pulling a pathetic and desperate move to get a guy who isn't even in their party on the ballot in the hopes of helping the election chances of a historically bad candidate from their party. You know it is and you know you can't defend it. If you could have, you would have by now.
But once again, you fail to address the issue. Pathetic.
The worst part is the racism being used to try and sway the election. They chose Kanye for one reason and one reason only. They are hoping black voters go to Kanye instead of Joe. That’s disgusting.
Dude Kanye put himself into the race. Granted it was to boost the ratings of his show but intellectually you can't complain about it if you truly want open elections. Maybe being in Chicago with perpetual candidates and crazy platforms makes me a bit more accepting.
//This is about the GOP Party in your state pulling a pathetic and desperate move to get a guy who isn't even in their party on the ballot in the hopes of helping the election chances of a historically bad candidate from their party. You know it is and you know you can't defend it. If you could have, you would have by now. //
Shocking. Those damn Pubs and their shenanigans and ballyhoo. Burn them all I say. Next thing you know they’ll be spending boatloads of cash to help a Dem candidate win an election because they believe it’s a Dem they can beat in the next cycle and control the Senate.
Team Donkey. Hope your guys don't blow it ... again ...
that's really what you hope? your posting history convinces me otherwise.
Don't worry, I haven't changed my position. 1) Biden is the milquetoast kinda POTUS the country needs for a spell. 2) I fully intend to vote for him.
But, your team really seems to be trying to fuck it up! Again! If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers
Deflect, ignore and no substance. Typical lawyer shit.
This is about the GOP Party in your state pulling a pathetic and desperate move to get a guy who isn't even in their party on the ballot in the hopes of helping the election chances of a historically bad candidate from their party. You know it is and you know you can't defend it. If you could have, you would have by now.
But once again, you fail to address the issue. Pathetic.
Deflect the obvious reason for your dislike of Kayne (and your QB). Typical Cowboys fan. If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers
Deflect, ignore and no substance. Typical lawyer shit.
This is about the GOP Party in your state pulling a pathetic and desperate move to get a guy who isn't even in their party on the ballot in the hopes of helping the election chances of a historically bad candidate from their party. You know it is and you know you can't defend it. If you could have, you would have by now.
But once again, you fail to address the issue. Pathetic.
The worst part is the racism being used to try and sway the election. They chose Kanye for one reason and one reason only. They are hoping black voters go to Kanye instead of Joe. That’s disgusting.
Dude Kanye put himself into the race. Granted it was to boost the ratings of his show but intellectually you can't complain about it if you truly want open elections. Maybe being in Chicago with perpetual candidates and crazy platforms makes me a bit more accepting.
what I find even more amazing is that posters like Chapparal are actually concerned enough that Kayne put himself in the race to address it. I guess that's how concerned he is about his actual candidate for President's chances against, by his own definition, the worst President and possibly person, ever.
This is hilarious. They are going to do it again.....
Deflect, ignore and no substance. Typical lawyer shit.
This is about the GOP Party in your state pulling a pathetic and desperate move to get a guy who isn't even in their party on the ballot in the hopes of helping the election chances of a historically bad candidate from their party. You know it is and you know you can't defend it. If you could have, you would have by now.
But once again, you fail to address the issue. Pathetic.
Deflect the obvious reason for your dislike of Kayne (and your QB). Typical Cowboys fan.
Imma let you finish making a jackass of yourself. Keep up the fine work. Suffer Well.
I lived in Wisconsin in 2016. I wasn't a Hillary fan but definitely didn't want Trump.
After she lost the primary I figured when she came to visit I would go and see what she offered. She never came, I never voted for her.
I really disliked her attitude and I felt she didn't need my vote and thought she would win.
I regret it, but I know I am not the only one that thought this way.
Seriously dems, don't F this up.
can i offer another option? you were presented a binary choice. you had ample opportunity to make up your mind. you choose poorly. own what you did. don't repeat your mistake. don't blame it on somebody else.
Yeah this is what frustrates me with people injecting their opinions on my choices.
Yes I did own and and mentioned I regret it.
I am not blaming it on someone else, but neither candidate earned my vote. We all choose for who we vote for differently.
If there is one thing I have learned over the past 4 years and moving to a very red state it is this.
Many people voted for Trump for a myriad of reasons, but what keeps coming up the most is many felt they could relate to Trump and that he put Americans first. It was similar to Obama and his message of Hope if 2008.
I have seen a much different world since 2016 and many people really identify with Trump and his personality that no other politician ever has. He doesn't speak well, but people don't want great speakers, they want someone that can talk at their level. Say what you want about Trump but that is why so many absolutely love him.
For me I couldn't identify, relate, or trust either candidate. In 2016 you were not getting my vote as the lesser of the two evils, you earn my vote because I am paying you.
I’ll give a story and then relate it to Trump. I met an old guy that owned a body shop when I wanted to paint my car. I was learning and didn’t really know what to do. He let me paint my car at his shop on weekends. I didn’t understand why he was nice to offer the shop to me because he was an asshole. He would scream and swear at me and talk shit. Some of the stuff he would say was just nuts. Others that would do business with him hated talking to him. Then, over the weeks, I got to know him. He put on a big front. He was the nicest guy ever. Especially when I took his advice on painting and when I got pretty darn good, I earned his respect.
So, then there is Trump. Point of the story is, you can’t change the guy. He speaks the way he does and often times with his back door, or frankly front door, brags. At the end of the day, it is what it is. Ignore all of that and just accept it. Then, look at everything else. I think the guy is a patriot first. Google his list of accomplishments whiled president. . It’s pretty impressive considering the guy was being impeached for 3.5 years. I’m currently looking at presidents wealth before taking office and after. So far, everyone came out wealthy. Not Trump, from what I read. I truly think the guy may be a lot of things, but I don’t think he is the political criminal many seem to be.
I lived in Wisconsin in 2016. I wasn't a Hillary fan but definitely didn't want Trump.
After she lost the primary I figured when she came to visit I would go and see what she offered. She never came, I never voted for her.
I really disliked her attitude and I felt she didn't need my vote and thought she would win.
I regret it, but I know I am not the only one that thought this way.
Seriously dems, don't F this up.
can i offer another option? you were presented a binary choice. you had ample opportunity to make up your mind. you choose poorly. own what you did. don't repeat your mistake. don't blame it on somebody else.
Yeah this is what frustrates me with people injecting their opinions on my choices.
Yes I did own and and mentioned I regret it.
I am not blaming it on someone else, but neither candidate earned my vote. We all choose for who we vote for differently.
If there is one thing I have learned over the past 4 years and moving to a very red state it is this.
Many people voted for Trump for a myriad of reasons, but what keeps coming up the most is many felt they could relate to Trump and that he put Americans first. It was similar to Obama and his message of Hope if 2008.
I have seen a much different world since 2016 and many people really identify with Trump and his personality that no other politician ever has. He doesn't speak well, but people don't want great speakers, they want someone that can talk at their level. Say what you want about Trump but that is why so many absolutely love him.
For me I couldn't identify, relate, or trust either candidate. In 2016 you were not getting my vote as the lesser of the two evils, you earn my vote because I am paying you.
hillary earned your vote. she earned it because she was smart, qualified, effective. in everything she did, she was pretty effective. you chose not to vote for her because you didn't like her. okay. but what i keep hearing about trump supporters is that they aren't voting for pastor, father, husband. you tell me why trump is given the pass on everything that should speak volumes, but hillary is held to some standard that is unattainable.
democrats didn't blow it, my friend. foolish voters blew it. there's a thread on hillary right now. what would be different in america if hillary was elected? we'd have 20,000 coronavirus deaths instead of 160,000. NATO would be our ally, and russia our adversary. we wouldn't have a trade war. or a president whose words have become irrelevant because the whole world has awoken to the fact that what our president says carries exactly zero weight.
but if hillary were elected, you would be uninspired by your leader. hillary did not inspire you. so you chose another option, and you got what you chose, and you're now asking democrats not to blow it again? this is like having a spouse that you got a little too used to, and you strayed, you wanted a little strange, and you certainly got strange, and you saw the consequences of strange, and now you're asking your spouse to not blow it again. okay.
Holy shit. We’d have 20,000 deaths instead of 160,000? This has to be the most ignorant statement you’ve ever made. Actually, this might be the most ignorant statement ever made on Slowtwitch.
This is hilarious. They are going to do it again.....
So do you think Hilary lost Wisconsin because she didn't go there?
yes
if Biden loses WI do you think it will be because Kayne is on the ballot?
So why did she lose Penn, Ohio and Florida, the States she visited the most? I’ve heard about 20 reasons why she lost Wisconsin and did poorly in the rust belt, but never because she didn’t visit. I think she lost because politicians ignored the manufacturing jobs, people wanted a change, the Clinton name was toxic and people were tired of them.
If you’re saying she lost because she didn’t make a Presidential stop in Milwaukee, where the massive campaign disrupts the entire City, at a time people were disillusioned about the status quo and long-term politicians, then you are simply trying to justify your vote for Trump and that you were fooled buy a con man. I would be embarrassed too but better to just move on and not make excuses.
If Biden loses Wisconsin, it’s because Wisconsin voters are Republican and wouldn’t vote for a Democrat to save their lives, exactly the same reason Clinton lost.
Holy shit. We’d have 20,000 deaths instead of 160,000? This has to be the most ignorant statement you’ve ever made.
I think Hillary would have handled this better than Trump, but considering 7 of the top 10 states for covid deaths have democratic governors (including the top 3), I don't see how she would have changed the death count by much.
Deflect, ignore and no substance. Typical lawyer shit.
This is about the GOP Party in your state pulling a pathetic and desperate move to get a guy who isn't even in their party on the ballot in the hopes of helping the election chances of a historically bad candidate from their party. You know it is and you know you can't defend it. If you could have, you would have by now.
But once again, you fail to address the issue. Pathetic.
The worst part is the racism being used to try and sway the election. They chose Kanye for one reason and one reason only. They are hoping black voters go to Kanye instead of Joe. That’s disgusting.
Dude Kanye put himself into the race. Granted it was to boost the ratings of his show but intellectually you can't complain about it if you truly want open elections. Maybe being in Chicago with perpetual candidates and crazy platforms makes me a bit more accepting.
Who did the work to put him on the ballot? He didn't do the leg work, he didn't go out and get signatures, it was a Republican who already had a candidate on the ticket. Saying he was running for President does not put him into the race. Taking steps to get on ballots, campaigning, trying to convey a platform message, that's putting yourself into the race. _____ TEAM HD Each day is what you make of it so make it the best day possible.
Deflect, ignore and no substance. Typical lawyer shit.
This is about the GOP Party in your state pulling a pathetic and desperate move to get a guy who isn't even in their party on the ballot in the hopes of helping the election chances of a historically bad candidate from their party. You know it is and you know you can't defend it. If you could have, you would have by now.
But once again, you fail to address the issue. Pathetic.
The worst part is the racism being used to try and sway the election. They chose Kanye for one reason and one reason only. They are hoping black voters go to Kanye instead of Joe. That’s disgusting.
Dude Kanye put himself into the race. Granted it was to boost the ratings of his show but intellectually you can't complain about it if you truly want open elections. Maybe being in Chicago with perpetual candidates and crazy platforms makes me a bit more accepting.
Who did the work to put him on the ballot? He didn't do the leg work, he didn't go out and get signatures, it was a Republican who already had a candidate on the ticket. Saying he was running for President does not put him into the race. Taking steps to get on ballots, campaigning, trying to convey a platform message, that's putting yourself into the race.
What's your point? Seriously. Come here for an election cycle and see the shenanigans here and see if your faux outrage persists.
Team Donkey. Hope your guys don't blow it ... again ...
that's really what you hope? your posting history convinces me otherwise.
Don't worry, I haven't changed my position. 1) Biden is the milquetoast kinda POTUS the country needs for a spell. 2) I fully intend to vote for him.
But, your team really seems to be trying to fuck it up! Again!
my team? you must mean team mule. i'm not a democrat, never have been. but a mule is a half-democrat. so, maybe you were right all along when you up that image of a mule. Dan Empfield aka Slowman
I lived in Wisconsin in 2016. I wasn't a Hillary fan but definitely didn't want Trump.
After she lost the primary I figured when she came to visit I would go and see what she offered. She never came, I never voted for her.
I really disliked her attitude and I felt she didn't need my vote and thought she would win.
I regret it, but I know I am not the only one that thought this way.
Seriously dems, don't F this up.
can i offer another option? you were presented a binary choice. you had ample opportunity to make up your mind. you choose poorly. own what you did. don't repeat your mistake. don't blame it on somebody else.
Yeah this is what frustrates me with people injecting their opinions on my choices.
Yes I did own and and mentioned I regret it.
I am not blaming it on someone else, but neither candidate earned my vote. We all choose for who we vote for differently.
If there is one thing I have learned over the past 4 years and moving to a very red state it is this.
Many people voted for Trump for a myriad of reasons, but what keeps coming up the most is many felt they could relate to Trump and that he put Americans first. It was similar to Obama and his message of Hope if 2008.
I have seen a much different world since 2016 and many people really identify with Trump and his personality that no other politician ever has. He doesn't speak well, but people don't want great speakers, they want someone that can talk at their level. Say what you want about Trump but that is why so many absolutely love him.
For me I couldn't identify, relate, or trust either candidate. In 2016 you were not getting my vote as the lesser of the two evils, you earn my vote because I am paying you.
hillary earned your vote. she earned it because she was smart, qualified, effective. in everything she did, she was pretty effective. you chose not to vote for her because you didn't like her. okay. but what i keep hearing about trump supporters is that they aren't voting for pastor, father, husband. you tell me why trump is given the pass on everything that should speak volumes, but hillary is held to some standard that is unattainable.
democrats didn't blow it, my friend. foolish voters blew it. there's a thread on hillary right now. what would be different in america if hillary was elected? we'd have 20,000 coronavirus deaths instead of 160,000. NATO would be our ally, and russia our adversary. we wouldn't have a trade war. or a president whose words have become irrelevant because the whole world has awoken to the fact that what our president says carries exactly zero weight.
but if hillary were elected, you would be uninspired by your leader. hillary did not inspire you. so you chose another option, and you got what you chose, and you're now asking democrats not to blow it again? this is like having a spouse that you got a little too used to, and you strayed, you wanted a little strange, and you certainly got strange, and you saw the consequences of strange, and now you're asking your spouse to not blow it again. okay.
Holy shit. We’d have 20,000 deaths instead of 160,000? This has to be the most ignorant statement you’ve ever made. Actually, this might be the most ignorant statement ever made on Slowtwitch.
your comment lacks generosity of spirit, as has been the case recently from you, has it not? it may well be that you're getting hit at a bad time. this pandemic is very hard on a lot of people, and if this includes you, you have my sympathy.
and you may be right. maybe the number is wildly off. maybe it's 120,000, or 40,000, or 75,000. or 15,000. i don't know. all i know is, when this thing first popped up in NY, the federal govt would have been an ally to NY rather than its adversary. we would be leading the world in our pandemic response, rather than trailing it. Dan Empfield aka Slowman
This is hilarious. They are going to do it again.....
So do you think Hilary lost Wisconsin because she didn't go there?
yes
if Biden loses WI do you think it will be because Kayne is on the ballot?
So why did she lose Penn, Ohio and Florida, the States she visited the most? I’ve heard about 20 reasons why she lost Wisconsin and did poorly in the rust belt, but never because she didn’t visit. I think she lost because politicians ignored the manufacturing jobs, people wanted a change, the Clinton name was toxic and people were tired of them.
If you’re saying she lost because she didn’t make a Presidential stop in Milwaukee, where the massive campaign disrupts the entire City, at a time people were disillusioned about the status quo and long-term politicians, then you are simply trying to justify your vote for Trump and that you were fooled buy a con man. I would be embarrassed too but better to just move on and not make excuses.
If Biden loses Wisconsin, it’s because Wisconsin voters are Republican and wouldn’t vote for a Democrat to save their lives, exactly the same reason Clinton lost.
If you have never heard that the reason she lost WI is that she never visited, given your presence on ST in the last 4 years, then I have to ask whether we can question your cognitive dissonance (like we cant Bidens)
Nice try. I didn't vote for Trump. In part because I felt it was a lost cause in WI since Hillary was going to win. Like a Dem has won in every Presidential election in WI since 1984. What I underestimated was the sheer lack of support Hillary had from the Dem side due in large part to the fact that she just assumed WI was in the bag and never showed up to generate any voter enthusiasm. She took WI for granted and chose to focus on the other states you mentioned. As a result she lost WI. You can argue the reasoning if you want but 32 years of Dem presidential candidates carrying the state argues against you. She lost the other states she spent so much time in because she is a loser toxic candidate that the Dems were foolish to run.
My wife has voted Dem in every election of her adult life, including for Hillary in 2016. She may very well sit out this November in WI especially if the Dem governor closes schools this fall. So, just following your logic if Biden doesn't win WI does this make her a Republican??
If you have never heard that the reason she lost WI is that she never visited, given your presence on ST in the last 4 years, then I have to ask whether we can question your cognitive dissonance (like we cant Bidens)
point of order here, sport. what i wrote is that you can't just rely on unfounded accusations of dementia, for either presidential candidate. if you have some sort of non-conspiracy-theory evidence of dementia for either, you may post it, with your citation from a reputable source.
why did i make this rule? because operatives and propagandists made hillary's health an issue in the last election through the release and dissemination of what turned out to be false medical records. i expect the very same thing to occur with biden. perish the thought that some member of our community might take propaganda from their morning in-box dumps and display it here!
we are simply a little in front of facebook and twitter, friend. i'm sure there's someplace that will accept your fake medical claims. maybe facebook will take them for a while longer. no can do here. Dan Empfield aka Slowman
I’ll give a story and then relate it to Trump. I met an old guy that owned a body shop when I wanted to paint my car. I was learning and didn’t really know what to do. He let me paint my car at his shop on weekends. I didn’t understand why he was nice to offer the shop to me because he was an asshole. He would scream and swear at me and talk shit. Some of the stuff he would say was just nuts. Others that would do business with him hated talking to him. Then, over the weeks, I got to know him. He put on a big front. He was the nicest guy ever. Especially when I took his advice on painting and when I got pretty darn good, I earned his respect.
So, then there is Trump. Point of the story is, you can’t change the guy. He speaks the way he does and often times with his back door, or frankly front door, brags. At the end of the day, it is what it is. Ignore all of that and just accept it. Then, look at everything else. I think the guy is a patriot first. Google his list of accomplishments whiled president. . It’s pretty impressive considering the guy was being impeached for 3.5 years. I’m currently looking at presidents wealth before taking office and after. So far, everyone came out wealthy. Not Trump, from what I read. I truly think the guy may be a lot of things, but I don’t think he is the political criminal many seem to be.
I have read this three times now trying to make some sense of it. I have failed all three times.
If you have never heard that the reason she lost WI is that she never visited, given your presence on ST in the last 4 years, then I have to ask whether we can question your cognitive dissonance (like we cant Bidens)
point of order here, sport. what i wrote is that you can't just rely on unfounded accusations of dementia, for either presidential candidate. if you have some sort of non-conspiracy-theory evidence of dementia for either, you may post it, with your citation from a reputable source.
why did i make this rule? because operatives and propagandists made hillary's health an issue in the last election through the release and dissemination of what turned out to be false medical records. i expect the very same thing to occur with biden. perish the thought that some member of our community might take propaganda from their morning in-box dumps and display it here!
we are simply a little in front of facebook and twitter, friend. i'm sure there's someplace that will accept your fake medical claims. maybe facebook will take them for a while longer. no can do here.
thanks Slowman. It was meant to be a joke. I'm sorry if it didn't come across that way.
I am not here to question Biden's mental acuity. Now, Sanuk's, if he hasn't ever heard the theory of HC losing WI because she never showed..... that one I think I can come up with some citation's from JSA...….. whether that's reputable or not is open for debate
(disclaimer. all of the above was meant to be in jest).
I’ll give a story and then relate it to Trump. I met an old guy that owned a body shop when I wanted to paint my car. I was learning and didn’t really know what to do. He let me paint my car at his shop on weekends. I didn’t understand why he was nice to offer the shop to me because he was an asshole. He would scream and swear at me and talk shit. Some of the stuff he would say was just nuts. Others that would do business with him hated talking to him. Then, over the weeks, I got to know him. He put on a big front. He was the nicest guy ever. Especially when I took his advice on painting and when I got pretty darn good, I earned his respect.
So, then there is Trump. Point of the story is, you can’t change the guy. He speaks the way he does and often times with his back door, or frankly front door, brags. At the end of the day, it is what it is. Ignore all of that and just accept it. Then, look at everything else. I think the guy is a patriot first. Google his list of accomplishments whiled president. . It’s pretty impressive considering the guy was being impeached for 3.5 years. I’m currently looking at presidents wealth before taking office and after. So far, everyone came out wealthy. Not Trump, from what I read. I truly think the guy may be a lot of things, but I don’t think he is the political criminal many seem to be.
I have read this three times now trying to make some sense of it. I have failed all three times.
Let me try to interpret...
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You can’t judge a book by its cover. Trump uses juvenile language, but some people relate to it and like him “telling it like it is” Despite his rough edges (and apparent self-serving efforts), Trump is, at heart, a patriot and wants what’s best for the nation Most presidents come out of office better off financially than when they entered, but Trump is worse off financially If you Google “Trump accomplishments” you will be impressed
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I would love to see some evidence of the above assertions.
I’ll give a story and then relate it to Trump. I met an old guy that owned a body shop when I wanted to paint my car. I was learning and didn’t really know what to do. He let me paint my car at his shop on weekends. I didn’t understand why he was nice to offer the shop to me because he was an asshole. He would scream and swear at me and talk shit. Some of the stuff he would say was just nuts. Others that would do business with him hated talking to him. Then, over the weeks, I got to know him. He put on a big front. He was the nicest guy ever. Especially when I took his advice on painting and when I got pretty darn good, I earned his respect.
So, then there is Trump. Point of the story is, you can’t change the guy. He speaks the way he does and often times with his back door, or frankly front door, brags. At the end of the day, it is what it is. Ignore all of that and just accept it. Then, look at everything else. I think the guy is a patriot first. Google his list of accomplishments whiled president. . It’s pretty impressive considering the guy was being impeached for 3.5 years. I’m currently looking at presidents wealth before taking office and after. So far, everyone came out wealthy. Not Trump, from what I read. I truly think the guy may be a lot of things, but I don’t think he is the political criminal many seem to be.
I have read this three times now trying to make some sense of it. I have failed all three times.
Let me try to interpret...
————
You can’t judge a book by its cover. Trump uses juvenile language, but some people relate to it and like him “telling it like it is” Despite his rough edges (and apparent self-serving efforts), Trump is, at heart, a patriot and wants what’s best for the nation Most presidents come out of office better off financially than when they entered, but Trump is worse off financially If you Google “Trump accomplishments” you will be impressed
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I would love to see some evidence of the above assertions.
I think you have been listening to too many of Trump's speeches if you were able to interpret that rambling and incoherent pile of words into anything that made logical sense ;)
If you have never heard that the reason she lost WI is that she never visited, given your presence on ST in the last 4 years, then I have to ask whether we can question your cognitive dissonance (like we cant Bidens)
point of order here, sport. what i wrote is that you can't just rely on unfounded accusations of dementia, for either presidential candidate. if you have some sort of non-conspiracy-theory evidence of dementia for either, you may post it, with your citation from a reputable source.
why did i make this rule? because operatives and propagandists made hillary's health an issue in the last election through the release and dissemination of what turned out to be false medical records. i expect the very same thing to occur with biden. perish the thought that some member of our community might take propaganda from their morning in-box dumps and display it here!
we are simply a little in front of facebook and twitter, friend. i'm sure there's someplace that will accept your fake medical claims. maybe facebook will take them for a while longer. no can do here.
no problem. i felt this was a good opportunity just to reiterate this. some have taken great umbrage to this rule; one longtime forum denizen leaving in protest over it. however, anyone who takes violent exception to this rule is, i reckon, somebody who intended to deploy that very tactic, and i'd rather have that person gone than here anyway.
if we can't talk this election out as humans - regardless of politican bent - then our problems are much bigger problems than my ineffectual moderation.
as to sanuk, you may spread propaganda about his mental acuity, or mine, all you want. one hundred minus seven is ninety-two. er, ninety-five. somewhere in there. Dan Empfield aka Slowman
Holy shit. We’d have 20,000 deaths instead of 160,000? This has to be the most ignorant statement you’ve ever made. Actually, this might be the most ignorant statement ever made on Slowtwitch.
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If you have never heard that the reason she lost WI is that she never visited, given your presence on ST in the last 4 years, then I have to ask whether we can question your cognitive dissonance (like we cant Bidens)
point of order here, sport. what i wrote is that you can't just rely on unfounded accusations of dementia, for either presidential candidate. if you have some sort of non-conspiracy-theory evidence of dementia for either, you may post it, with your citation from a reputable source.
why did i make this rule? because operatives and propagandists made hillary's health an issue in the last election through the release and dissemination of what turned out to be false medical records. i expect the very same thing to occur with biden. perish the thought that some member of our community might take propaganda from their morning in-box dumps and display it here!
we are simply a little in front of facebook and twitter, friend. i'm sure there's someplace that will accept your fake medical claims. maybe facebook will take them for a while longer. no can do here.
no problem. i felt this was a good opportunity just to reiterate this. some have taken great umbrage to this rule; one longtime forum denizen leaving in protest over it. however, anyone who takes violent exception to this rule is, i reckon, somebody who intended to deploy that very tactic, and i'd rather have that person gone than here anyway.
if we can't talk this election out as humans - regardless of politican bent - then our problems are much bigger problems than my ineffectual moderation.
as to sanuk, you may spread propaganda about his mental acuity, or mine, all you want. one hundred minus seven is ninety-two. er, ninety-five. somewhere in there.
Saw this rule and wanted to know if a person's personal opinion on Biden's mental fitness is fair game based upon one's own experience and what they see with their very own eyes on the TV screen. I don't think it takes a psychologist or neurologist to let someone know when a person may be having cognitive difficulties. Anyone that has seen it before has some type of idea of what is going on. I had a grandmother with confirmed dementia and signs are not hard to see.
With Biden, we can see him on TV, the way he talks, the way his eyes look and the way he stumbles in speech and it gives us an idea of his cognitive ability, like it would anyone else we see during the day. Are opinions in that realm off limits?
I am voting for the guy even if they come out with a report he has full blown dementia and can't recall his name when he is alone, but that because of the situation we are in. I don't think it's unreasonable to question his and trumps cognitive state based upon what we see of them in public.
If you have never heard that the reason she lost WI is that she never visited, given your presence on ST in the last 4 years, then I have to ask whether we can question your cognitive dissonance (like we cant Bidens)
point of order here, sport. what i wrote is that you can't just rely on unfounded accusations of dementia, for either presidential candidate. if you have some sort of non-conspiracy-theory evidence of dementia for either, you may post it, with your citation from a reputable source.
why did i make this rule? because operatives and propagandists made hillary's health an issue in the last election through the release and dissemination of what turned out to be false medical records. i expect the very same thing to occur with biden. perish the thought that some member of our community might take propaganda from their morning in-box dumps and display it here!
we are simply a little in front of facebook and twitter, friend. i'm sure there's someplace that will accept your fake medical claims. maybe facebook will take them for a while longer. no can do here.
no problem. i felt this was a good opportunity just to reiterate this. some have taken great umbrage to this rule; one longtime forum denizen leaving in protest over it. however, anyone who takes violent exception to this rule is, i reckon, somebody who intended to deploy that very tactic, and i'd rather have that person gone than here anyway.
if we can't talk this election out as humans - regardless of politican bent - then our problems are much bigger problems than my ineffectual moderation.
as to sanuk, you may spread propaganda about his mental acuity, or mine, all you want. one hundred minus seven is ninety-two. er, ninety-five. somewhere in there.
considering my general mental acuity these days it was simply meant as a preemptive strike before my afternoon nap......
This is hilarious. They are going to do it again.....
So do you think Hilary lost Wisconsin because she didn't go there?
yes
if Biden loses WI do you think it will be because Kayne is on the ballot?
So why did she lose Penn, Ohio and Florida, the States she visited the most? I’ve heard about 20 reasons why she lost Wisconsin and did poorly in the rust belt, but never because she didn’t visit. I think she lost because politicians ignored the manufacturing jobs, people wanted a change, the Clinton name was toxic and people were tired of them.
If you’re saying she lost because she didn’t make a Presidential stop in Milwaukee, where the massive campaign disrupts the entire City, at a time people were disillusioned about the status quo and long-term politicians, then you are simply trying to justify your vote for Trump and that you were fooled buy a con man. I would be embarrassed too but better to just move on and not make excuses.
If Biden loses Wisconsin, it’s because Wisconsin voters are Republican and wouldn’t vote for a Democrat to save their lives, exactly the same reason Clinton lost.
I have to ask whether we can question your cognitive dissonance (like we cant Bidens)
He already said yes (although I can't find the thread)
If you have never heard that the reason she lost WI is that she never visited, given your presence on ST in the last 4 years, then I have to ask whether we can question your cognitive dissonance (like we cant Bidens)
point of order here, sport. what i wrote is that you can't just rely on unfounded accusations of dementia, for either presidential candidate. if you have some sort of non-conspiracy-theory evidence of dementia for either, you may post it, with your citation from a reputable source.
why did i make this rule? because operatives and propagandists made hillary's health an issue in the last election through the release and dissemination of what turned out to be false medical records. i expect the very same thing to occur with biden. perish the thought that some member of our community might take propaganda from their morning in-box dumps and display it here!
we are simply a little in front of facebook and twitter, friend. i'm sure there's someplace that will accept your fake medical claims. maybe facebook will take them for a while longer. no can do here.
no problem. i felt this was a good opportunity just to reiterate this. some have taken great umbrage to this rule; one longtime forum denizen leaving in protest over it. however, anyone who takes violent exception to this rule is, i reckon, somebody who intended to deploy that very tactic, and i'd rather have that person gone than here anyway.
if we can't talk this election out as humans - regardless of politican bent - then our problems are much bigger problems than my ineffectual moderation.
as to sanuk, you may spread propaganda about his mental acuity, or mine, all you want. one hundred minus seven is ninety-two. er, ninety-five. somewhere in there.
Saw this rule and wanted to know if a person's personal opinion on Biden's mental fitness is fair game based upon one's own experience and what they see with their very own eyes on the TV screen. I don't think it takes a psychologist or neurologist to let someone know when a person may be having cognitive difficulties. Anyone that has seen it before has some type of idea of what is going on. I had a grandmother with confirmed dementia and signs are not hard to see.
With Biden, we can see him on TV, the way he talks, the way his eyes look and the way he stumbles in speech and it gives us an idea of his cognitive ability, like it would anyone else we see during the day. Are opinions in that realm off limits?
I am voting for the guy even if they come out with a report he has full blown dementia and can't recall his name when he is alone, but that because of the situation we are in. I don't think it's unreasonable to question his and trumps cognitive state based upon what we see of them in public.
i actually do think it takes a psychologist or neurologist to know. i'd like to know whether the outward expression to which you point is a degradation in cognitive abilities or motor skills. because, if you want to claim that biden's motor skills are not what they were 20 years ago, i have no problem with that. if you want to make a claim beyond that, i'd like to know what you're basing it on. Dan Empfield aka Slowman
If you have never heard that the reason she lost WI is that she never visited, given your presence on ST in the last 4 years, then I have to ask whether we can question your cognitive dissonance (like we cant Bidens)
point of order here, sport. what i wrote is that you can't just rely on unfounded accusations of dementia, for either presidential candidate. if you have some sort of non-conspiracy-theory evidence of dementia for either, you may post it, with your citation from a reputable source.
why did i make this rule? because operatives and propagandists made hillary's health an issue in the last election through the release and dissemination of what turned out to be false medical records. i expect the very same thing to occur with biden. perish the thought that some member of our community might take propaganda from their morning in-box dumps and display it here!
we are simply a little in front of facebook and twitter, friend. i'm sure there's someplace that will accept your fake medical claims. maybe facebook will take them for a while longer. no can do here.
no problem. i felt this was a good opportunity just to reiterate this. some have taken great umbrage to this rule; one longtime forum denizen leaving in protest over it. however, anyone who takes violent exception to this rule is, i reckon, somebody who intended to deploy that very tactic, and i'd rather have that person gone than here anyway.
if we can't talk this election out as humans - regardless of politican bent - then our problems are much bigger problems than my ineffectual moderation.
as to sanuk, you may spread propaganda about his mental acuity, or mine, all you want. one hundred minus seven is ninety-two. er, ninety-five. somewhere in there.
Saw this rule and wanted to know if a person's personal opinion on Biden's mental fitness is fair game based upon one's own experience and what they see with their very own eyes on the TV screen. I don't think it takes a psychologist or neurologist to let someone know when a person may be having cognitive difficulties. Anyone that has seen it before has some type of idea of what is going on. I had a grandmother with confirmed dementia and signs are not hard to see.
With Biden, we can see him on TV, the way he talks, the way his eyes look and the way he stumbles in speech and it gives us an idea of his cognitive ability, like it would anyone else we see during the day. Are opinions in that realm off limits?
I am voting for the guy even if they come out with a report he has full blown dementia and can't recall his name when he is alone, but that because of the situation we are in. I don't think it's unreasonable to question his and trumps cognitive state based upon what we see of them in public.
i actually do think it takes a psychologist or neurologist to know. i'd like to know whether the outward expression to which you point is a degradation in cognitive abilities or motor skills. because, if you want to claim that biden's motor skills are not what they were 20 years ago, i have no problem with that. if you want to make a claim beyond that, i'd like to know what you're basing it on.
not that I want to wade back into this subject (as I already have my daily quota or "sport" and "friend" references), but.....
I think if you want to chalk things up to a decline in motor skills that's fine. As long as those who want to dismiss it as simply a continuance of his life long stuttering problem are held to the same standard. Because what is happening with him now is not what was happening to him 20 years ago as it relates to his life long stuttering issue.
One of those Jeopardy guys - I think it was Ken Jennings - talked about breadth of knowledge versus the ability to quickly come up with the response. You collect more knowledge as you get older, but he said it was tougher to be quick on the draw as he got older, esp. against younger contestants like James Holzhauer.
The presidency is an oddity because we expect someone to be sharp and quick during debates. But once in office it is much more akin to a SC justice where careful measured decisions can be made most of the time.
For 99% of the job, I'll take experience and thoughtfulness over snap responses any day.
that's nice for Ken Jennings. When Ken Jennings said this he was 46 years old or younger.
I remember lurking in the tri forum 10 years ago as a 40 something listening to the 60 somethings explain how training and racing needed to change as one got older and thinking yeah whatever old man that's you I'll still be able to pound out 40mpw with speedwork.
Biden is not the same guy who left the VP position 4 years ago. Call that whatever you want. But he has "evolved". Exponentially not incrementally. To not acknowledge that and not project that out into the next 4-8 years is as disingenuous as those who excused "grab her by the pussy" and all the other baggage 4 years ago.
If you have never heard that the reason she lost WI is that she never visited, given your presence on ST in the last 4 years, then I have to ask whether we can question your cognitive dissonance (like we cant Bidens)
point of order here, sport. what i wrote is that you can't just rely on unfounded accusations of dementia, for either presidential candidate. if you have some sort of non-conspiracy-theory evidence of dementia for either, you may post it, with your citation from a reputable source.
why did i make this rule? because operatives and propagandists made hillary's health an issue in the last election through the release and dissemination of what turned out to be false medical records. i expect the very same thing to occur with biden. perish the thought that some member of our community might take propaganda from their morning in-box dumps and display it here!
we are simply a little in front of facebook and twitter, friend. i'm sure there's someplace that will accept your fake medical claims. maybe facebook will take them for a while longer. no can do here.
no problem. i felt this was a good opportunity just to reiterate this. some have taken great umbrage to this rule; one longtime forum denizen leaving in protest over it. however, anyone who takes violent exception to this rule is, i reckon, somebody who intended to deploy that very tactic, and i'd rather have that person gone than here anyway.
if we can't talk this election out as humans - regardless of politican bent - then our problems are much bigger problems than my ineffectual moderation.
as to sanuk, you may spread propaganda about his mental acuity, or mine, all you want. one hundred minus seven is ninety-two. er, ninety-five. somewhere in there.
Saw this rule and wanted to know if a person's personal opinion on Biden's mental fitness is fair game based upon one's own experience and what they see with their very own eyes on the TV screen. I don't think it takes a psychologist or neurologist to let someone know when a person may be having cognitive difficulties. Anyone that has seen it before has some type of idea of what is going on. I had a grandmother with confirmed dementia and signs are not hard to see.
With Biden, we can see him on TV, the way he talks, the way his eyes look and the way he stumbles in speech and it gives us an idea of his cognitive ability, like it would anyone else we see during the day. Are opinions in that realm off limits?
I am voting for the guy even if they come out with a report he has full blown dementia and can't recall his name when he is alone, but that because of the situation we are in. I don't think it's unreasonable to question his and trumps cognitive state based upon what we see of them in public.
i actually do think it takes a psychologist or neurologist to know. i'd like to know whether the outward expression to which you point is a degradation in cognitive abilities or motor skills. because, if you want to claim that biden's motor skills are not what they were 20 years ago, i have no problem with that. if you want to make a claim beyond that, i'd like to know what you're basing it on.
Based solely on my personal experience, seeing Dementia in real in person, seeing my older relatives decline in mental ability and simply watching Biden on a TV screen.
I don't need an expert to tell me the homeless guy yelling at the clouds on the street corner has mental illness.
Likewise, I don't need an expert to tell me my grandmother that stares off into space, can't recall names or places, looks absolutely lost any time she speaks, or has changed the pace, inflection, and manner of speaking has dementia or cognitive decline.
It is a legitimate point of analysis in someone that is going to be the President based upon simply pulling up old videos of Biden with how he speaks now. Did you see any of the debates back when he was running for president or younger? He was quick witted, spoke with a quick pace, was on point, most of the time. When he made a gaffe it was because he was just a little goofy, not because he looked confused or things were not firing upstairs. That is simply what I see, but you are right, I am not an expert.
Same analysis should be made of Trump and anyone else we put up for office. I don't think it matters either way, as Biden will still win. His VP pick is very important and everyone agrees with that. And no, the Dems cannot admit or even suggest Biden has any cognitive decline so might as well put up the wall on this topic. Biden should stay in his house, refuse to debate and pick a good VP and he will be President in January. Then we go from there.
If you have never heard that the reason she lost WI is that she never visited, given your presence on ST in the last 4 years, then I have to ask whether we can question your cognitive dissonance (like we cant Bidens)
point of order here, sport. what i wrote is that you can't just rely on unfounded accusations of dementia, for either presidential candidate. if you have some sort of non-conspiracy-theory evidence of dementia for either, you may post it, with your citation from a reputable source.
why did i make this rule? because operatives and propagandists made hillary's health an issue in the last election through the release and dissemination of what turned out to be false medical records. i expect the very same thing to occur with biden. perish the thought that some member of our community might take propaganda from their morning in-box dumps and display it here!
we are simply a little in front of facebook and twitter, friend. i'm sure there's someplace that will accept your fake medical claims. maybe facebook will take them for a while longer. no can do here.
no problem. i felt this was a good opportunity just to reiterate this. some have taken great umbrage to this rule; one longtime forum denizen leaving in protest over it. however, anyone who takes violent exception to this rule is, i reckon, somebody who intended to deploy that very tactic, and i'd rather have that person gone than here anyway.
if we can't talk this election out as humans - regardless of politican bent - then our problems are much bigger problems than my ineffectual moderation.
as to sanuk, you may spread propaganda about his mental acuity, or mine, all you want. one hundred minus seven is ninety-two. er, ninety-five. somewhere in there.
Saw this rule and wanted to know if a person's personal opinion on Biden's mental fitness is fair game based upon one's own experience and what they see with their very own eyes on the TV screen. I don't think it takes a psychologist or neurologist to let someone know when a person may be having cognitive difficulties. Anyone that has seen it before has some type of idea of what is going on. I had a grandmother with confirmed dementia and signs are not hard to see.
With Biden, we can see him on TV, the way he talks, the way his eyes look and the way he stumbles in speech and it gives us an idea of his cognitive ability, like it would anyone else we see during the day. Are opinions in that realm off limits?
I am voting for the guy even if they come out with a report he has full blown dementia and can't recall his name when he is alone, but that because of the situation we are in. I don't think it's unreasonable to question his and trumps cognitive state based upon what we see of them in public.
i actually do think it takes a psychologist or neurologist to know. i'd like to know whether the outward expression to which you point is a degradation in cognitive abilities or motor skills. because, if you want to claim that biden's motor skills are not what they were 20 years ago, i have no problem with that. if you want to make a claim beyond that, i'd like to know what you're basing it on.
Based solely on my personal experience, seeing Dementia in real in person, seeing my older relatives decline in mental ability and simply watching Biden on a TV screen.
I don't need an expert to tell me the homeless guy yelling at the clouds on the street corner has mental illness.
Likewise, I don't need an expert to tell me my grandmother that stares off into space, can't recall names or places, looks absolutely lost any time she speaks, or has changed the pace, inflection, and manner of speaking has dementia or cognitive decline.
It is a legitimate point of analysis in someone that is going to be the President based upon simply pulling up old videos of Biden with how he speaks now. Did you see any of the debates back when he was running for president or younger? He was quick witted, spoke with a quick pace, was on point, most of the time. When he made a gaffe it was because he was just a little goofy, not because he looked confused or things were not firing upstairs. That is simply what I see, but you are right, I am not an expert.
Same analysis should be made of Trump and anyone else we put up for office. I don't think it matters either way, as Biden will still win. His VP pick is very important and everyone agrees with that. And no, the Dems cannot admit or even suggest Biden has any cognitive decline so might as well put up the wall on this topic. Biden should stay in his house, refuse to debate and pick a good VP and he will be President in January. Then we go from there.
It’s odd to me that there would be a dividing line between the cognitive and the physical, wherein we need expert assessment from a mental health professional to discuss cognitive decline, but there’s no problem spending time talking about how a candidate can’t hold a glass of water or walks slowly down a ramp, or how the President’s doctor must be a fraud because he obviously isn’t as healthy as the medical report claims. Slowguy
If you have never heard that the reason she lost WI is that she never visited, given your presence on ST in the last 4 years, then I have to ask whether we can question your cognitive dissonance (like we cant Bidens)
point of order here, sport. what i wrote is that you can't just rely on unfounded accusations of dementia, for either presidential candidate. if you have some sort of non-conspiracy-theory evidence of dementia for either, you may post it, with your citation from a reputable source.
why did i make this rule? because operatives and propagandists made hillary's health an issue in the last election through the release and dissemination of what turned out to be false medical records. i expect the very same thing to occur with biden. perish the thought that some member of our community might take propaganda from their morning in-box dumps and display it here!
we are simply a little in front of facebook and twitter, friend. i'm sure there's someplace that will accept your fake medical claims. maybe facebook will take them for a while longer. no can do here.
no problem. i felt this was a good opportunity just to reiterate this. some have taken great umbrage to this rule; one longtime forum denizen leaving in protest over it. however, anyone who takes violent exception to this rule is, i reckon, somebody who intended to deploy that very tactic, and i'd rather have that person gone than here anyway.
if we can't talk this election out as humans - regardless of politican bent - then our problems are much bigger problems than my ineffectual moderation.
as to sanuk, you may spread propaganda about his mental acuity, or mine, all you want. one hundred minus seven is ninety-two. er, ninety-five. somewhere in there.
Saw this rule and wanted to know if a person's personal opinion on Biden's mental fitness is fair game based upon one's own experience and what they see with their very own eyes on the TV screen. I don't think it takes a psychologist or neurologist to let someone know when a person may be having cognitive difficulties. Anyone that has seen it before has some type of idea of what is going on. I had a grandmother with confirmed dementia and signs are not hard to see.
With Biden, we can see him on TV, the way he talks, the way his eyes look and the way he stumbles in speech and it gives us an idea of his cognitive ability, like it would anyone else we see during the day. Are opinions in that realm off limits?
I am voting for the guy even if they come out with a report he has full blown dementia and can't recall his name when he is alone, but that because of the situation we are in. I don't think it's unreasonable to question his and trumps cognitive state based upon what we see of them in public.
i actually do think it takes a psychologist or neurologist to know. i'd like to know whether the outward expression to which you point is a degradation in cognitive abilities or motor skills. because, if you want to claim that biden's motor skills are not what they were 20 years ago, i have no problem with that. if you want to make a claim beyond that, i'd like to know what you're basing it on.
Based solely on my personal experience, seeing Dementia in real in person, seeing my older relatives decline in mental ability and simply watching Biden on a TV screen.
I don't need an expert to tell me the homeless guy yelling at the clouds on the street corner has mental illness.
Likewise, I don't need an expert to tell me my grandmother that stares off into space, can't recall names or places, looks absolutely lost any time she speaks, or has changed the pace, inflection, and manner of speaking has dementia or cognitive decline.
It is a legitimate point of analysis in someone that is going to be the President based upon simply pulling up old videos of Biden with how he speaks now. Did you see any of the debates back when he was running for president or younger? He was quick witted, spoke with a quick pace, was on point, most of the time. When he made a gaffe it was because he was just a little goofy, not because he looked confused or things were not firing upstairs. That is simply what I see, but you are right, I am not an expert.
Same analysis should be made of Trump and anyone else we put up for office. I don't think it matters either way, as Biden will still win. His VP pick is very important and everyone agrees with that. And no, the Dems cannot admit or even suggest Biden has any cognitive decline so might as well put up the wall on this topic. Biden should stay in his house, refuse to debate and pick a good VP and he will be President in January. Then we go from there.
It’s odd to me that there would be a dividing line between the cognitive and the physical, wherein we need expert assessment from a mental health professional to discuss cognitive decline, but there’s no problem spending time talking about how a candidate can’t hold a glass of water or walks slowly down a ramp, or how the President’s doctor must be a fraud because he obviously isn’t as healthy as the medical report claims.
You guys are all free to discuss a candidate's dementia. Elsewhere. I saw what happened in the last election. Not going to happen here. Why don't you find out where spot went and follow him there? Then you won't have to deal with my stupid rules that deprive you of your liberty? Dan Empfield aka Slowman
You guys are all free to discuss a candidate's dementia. Elsewhere. I saw what happened in the last election. Not going to happen here. Why don't you find out where spot went and follow him there? Then you won't have to deal with my stupid rules that deprive you of your liberty?
Calm down, sport. I never whined about my liberties, and I've posted here numerous times that this is your forum with your rules.
I find the policy odd, and transparently biased in the way you made the decision to implement it, but I don't think cognitive ability is a decisive issue for this election so I haven't been bothering to comment and test the rules. I would prefer not to have Presidents pushing their mid to late seventies, partially because of the physical and mental decline that typically takes place in people as they age, but that's not a differentiating factor since both likely candidates for these elections are roughly the same age. Slowguy
You guys are all free to discuss a candidate's dementia. Elsewhere. I saw what happened in the last election. Not going to happen here. Why don't you find out where spot went and follow him there? Then you won't have to deal with my stupid rules that deprive you of your liberty?
Calm down, sport. I never whined about my liberties, and I've posted here numerous times that this is your forum with your rules.
I find the policy odd, and transparently biased in the way you made the decision to implement it, but I don't think cognitive ability is a decisive issue for this election so I haven't been bothering to comment and test the rules. I would prefer not to have Presidents pushing their mid to late seventies, partially because of the physical and mental decline that typically takes place in people as they age, but that's not a differentiating factor since both likely candidates for these elections are roughly the same age.
as i have said, every time this issue is raised, i don't mind you discussing as a negative the concept of age as a voting imperative. i don't mind the discussion (accusation) of dementia leveled at a candidate. but it has to be real. not fake. i can already see the trump campaign cocked and ready to launch the same fake attacks on biden's health that they did to hillary.
and as for the other user's claim that of knowledge of dementia because of his personal relationship, i wrote here about a family member who spent the last 2 years of her life with us, here because of her dementia, and she died in the room next to mine. this is in addition to my mother in law, with dementia, with my wife as the primary caregiver. and, no. that does not qualify me to know whether either candidate has dementia.
dan rather's incareful and harmful reporting about bush 2's national guard service during that election cycle cost him his job, and rightly so. but the same tactics and worse against a democratic candidate will not cost anyone his job. biden's phantom dementia is this election cycle's swiftboat attack. you are free to consider this rule transparently biased. it is certainly transparent. i'm telling you exactly why this rule is here. as to whether it's biased, you can think what you want.
if i see any propagandistic text here, that is fake (doctored video, faked documents) targeted at either candidate running up to this election, i'll react likewise. Dan Empfield aka Slowman
If you have never heard that the reason she lost WI is that she never visited, given your presence on ST in the last 4 years, then I have to ask whether we can question your cognitive dissonance (like we cant Bidens)
point of order here, sport. what i wrote is that you can't just rely on unfounded accusations of dementia, for either presidential candidate. if you have some sort of non-conspiracy-theory evidence of dementia for either, you may post it, with your citation from a reputable source.
why did i make this rule? because operatives and propagandists made hillary's health an issue in the last election through the release and dissemination of what turned out to be false medical records. i expect the very same thing to occur with biden. perish the thought that some member of our community might take propaganda from their morning in-box dumps and display it here!
we are simply a little in front of facebook and twitter, friend. i'm sure there's someplace that will accept your fake medical claims. maybe facebook will take them for a while longer. no can do here.
no problem. i felt this was a good opportunity just to reiterate this. some have taken great umbrage to this rule; one longtime forum denizen leaving in protest over it. however, anyone who takes violent exception to this rule is, i reckon, somebody who intended to deploy that very tactic, and i'd rather have that person gone than here anyway.
if we can't talk this election out as humans - regardless of politican bent - then our problems are much bigger problems than my ineffectual moderation.
as to sanuk, you may spread propaganda about his mental acuity, or mine, all you want. one hundred minus seven is ninety-two. er, ninety-five. somewhere in there.
Saw this rule and wanted to know if a person's personal opinion on Biden's mental fitness is fair game based upon one's own experience and what they see with their very own eyes on the TV screen. I don't think it takes a psychologist or neurologist to let someone know when a person may be having cognitive difficulties. Anyone that has seen it before has some type of idea of what is going on. I had a grandmother with confirmed dementia and signs are not hard to see.
With Biden, we can see him on TV, the way he talks, the way his eyes look and the way he stumbles in speech and it gives us an idea of his cognitive ability, like it would anyone else we see during the day. Are opinions in that realm off limits?
I am voting for the guy even if they come out with a report he has full blown dementia and can't recall his name when he is alone, but that because of the situation we are in. I don't think it's unreasonable to question his and trumps cognitive state based upon what we see of them in public.
i actually do think it takes a psychologist or neurologist to know. i'd like to know whether the outward expression to which you point is a degradation in cognitive abilities or motor skills. because, if you want to claim that biden's motor skills are not what they were 20 years ago, i have no problem with that. if you want to make a claim beyond that, i'd like to know what you're basing it on.
Based solely on my personal experience, seeing Dementia in real in person, seeing my older relatives decline in mental ability and simply watching Biden on a TV screen.
I don't need an expert to tell me the homeless guy yelling at the clouds on the street corner has mental illness.
Likewise, I don't need an expert to tell me my grandmother that stares off into space, can't recall names or places, looks absolutely lost any time she speaks, or has changed the pace, inflection, and manner of speaking has dementia or cognitive decline.
It is a legitimate point of analysis in someone that is going to be the President based upon simply pulling up old videos of Biden with how he speaks now. Did you see any of the debates back when he was running for president or younger? He was quick witted, spoke with a quick pace, was on point, most of the time. When he made a gaffe it was because he was just a little goofy, not because he looked confused or things were not firing upstairs. That is simply what I see, but you are right, I am not an expert.
Same analysis should be made of Trump and anyone else we put up for office. I don't think it matters either way, as Biden will still win. His VP pick is very important and everyone agrees with that. And no, the Dems cannot admit or even suggest Biden has any cognitive decline so might as well put up the wall on this topic. Biden should stay in his house, refuse to debate and pick a good VP and he will be President in January. Then we go from there.
It’s odd to me that there would be a dividing line between the cognitive and the physical, wherein we need expert assessment from a mental health professional to discuss cognitive decline, but there’s no problem spending time talking about how a candidate can’t hold a glass of water or walks slowly down a ramp, or how the President’s doctor must be a fraud because he obviously isn’t as healthy as the medical report claims.
You guys are all free to discuss a candidate's dementia. Elsewhere. I saw what happened in the last election. Not going to happen here. Why don't you find out where spot went and follow him there? Then you won't have to deal with my stupid rules that deprive you of your liberty?
I don’t believe any current candidate for President suffers from dementia as per formal diagnosis.
This is your forum. You pay for it. You can use it for whatever you want and make whatever rules you want.
I do think candidate West suffers from bipolar disorder but I admit my citations might include a Kardashian so I will not make that assertion.
I’ll give a story and then relate it to Trump. I met an old guy that owned a body shop when I wanted to paint my car. I was learning and didn’t really know what to do. He let me paint my car at his shop on weekends. I didn’t understand why he was nice to offer the shop to me because he was an asshole. He would scream and swear at me and talk shit. Some of the stuff he would say was just nuts. Others that would do business with him hated talking to him. Then, over the weeks, I got to know him. He put on a big front. He was the nicest guy ever. Especially when I took his advice on painting and when I got pretty darn good, I earned his respect.
So, then there is Trump. Point of the story is, you can’t change the guy. He speaks the way he does and often times with his back door, or frankly front door, brags. At the end of the day, it is what it is. Ignore all of that and just accept it. Then, look at everything else. I think the guy is a patriot first. Google his list of accomplishments whiled president. . It’s pretty impressive considering the guy was being impeached for 3.5 years. I’m currently looking at presidents wealth before taking office and after. So far, everyone came out wealthy. Not Trump, from what I read. I truly think the guy may be a lot of things, but I don’t think he is the political criminal many seem to be.
I have read this three times now trying to make some sense of it. I have failed all three times.
It means, forget he is a bafoon. He gets the job done.
I’ll give a story and then relate it to Trump. I met an old guy that owned a body shop when I wanted to paint my car. I was learning and didn’t really know what to do. He let me paint my car at his shop on weekends. I didn’t understand why he was nice to offer the shop to me because he was an asshole. He would scream and swear at me and talk shit. Some of the stuff he would say was just nuts. Others that would do business with him hated talking to him. Then, over the weeks, I got to know him. He put on a big front. He was the nicest guy ever. Especially when I took his advice on painting and when I got pretty darn good, I earned his respect.
So, then there is Trump. Point of the story is, you can’t change the guy. He speaks the way he does and often times with his back door, or frankly front door, brags. At the end of the day, it is what it is. Ignore all of that and just accept it. Then, look at everything else. I think the guy is a patriot first. Google his list of accomplishments whiled president. . It’s pretty impressive considering the guy was being impeached for 3.5 years. I’m currently looking at presidents wealth before taking office and after. So far, everyone came out wealthy. Not Trump, from what I read. I truly think the guy may be a lot of things, but I don’t think he is the political criminal many seem to be.
I have read this three times now trying to make some sense of it. I have failed all three times.
It means, forget he is a bafoon. He gets the job done.
Is his job mishandling a pandemic resulting in 160,000 dead Americans?
I’ll give a story and then relate it to Trump. I met an old guy that owned a body shop when I wanted to paint my car. I was learning and didn’t really know what to do. He let me paint my car at his shop on weekends. I didn’t understand why he was nice to offer the shop to me because he was an asshole. He would scream and swear at me and talk shit. Some of the stuff he would say was just nuts. Others that would do business with him hated talking to him. Then, over the weeks, I got to know him. He put on a big front. He was the nicest guy ever. Especially when I took his advice on painting and when I got pretty darn good, I earned his respect.
So, then there is Trump. Point of the story is, you can’t change the guy. He speaks the way he does and often times with his back door, or frankly front door, brags. At the end of the day, it is what it is. Ignore all of that and just accept it. Then, look at everything else. I think the guy is a patriot first. Google his list of accomplishments whiled president. . It’s pretty impressive considering the guy was being impeached for 3.5 years. I’m currently looking at presidents wealth before taking office and after. So far, everyone came out wealthy. Not Trump, from what I read. I truly think the guy may be a lot of things, but I don’t think he is the political criminal many seem to be.
I have read this three times now trying to make some sense of it. I have failed all three times.
It means, forget he is a bafoon. He gets the job done.
Is his job mishandling a pandemic resulting in 160,000 dead Americans?
Please, give your insight into the proper way to handle COVID-19, starting with what information was available until now. Then, let me know who would have implemented your ideas well.
I will add that, they initially thought 10% would die, so 160,000 is a low number in my mind.
I’ll give a story and then relate it to Trump. I met an old guy that owned a body shop when I wanted to paint my car. I was learning and didn’t really know what to do. He let me paint my car at his shop on weekends. I didn’t understand why he was nice to offer the shop to me because he was an asshole. He would scream and swear at me and talk shit. Some of the stuff he would say was just nuts. Others that would do business with him hated talking to him. Then, over the weeks, I got to know him. He put on a big front. He was the nicest guy ever. Especially when I took his advice on painting and when I got pretty darn good, I earned his respect.
So, then there is Trump. Point of the story is, you can’t change the guy. He speaks the way he does and often times with his back door, or frankly front door, brags. At the end of the day, it is what it is. Ignore all of that and just accept it. Then, look at everything else. I think the guy is a patriot first. Google his list of accomplishments whiled president. . It’s pretty impressive considering the guy was being impeached for 3.5 years. I’m currently looking at presidents wealth before taking office and after. So far, everyone came out wealthy. Not Trump, from what I read. I truly think the guy may be a lot of things, but I don’t think he is the political criminal many seem to be.
I have read this three times now trying to make some sense of it. I have failed all three times.
It means, forget he is a bafoon. He gets the job done.
Is his job mishandling a pandemic resulting in 160,000 dead Americans?
Please, give your insight into the proper way to handle COVID-19, starting with what information was available until now. Then, let me know who would have implemented your ideas well.
I will add that, they initially thought 10% would die, so 160,000 is a low number in my mind.
It’s been discussed here in great detail how other countries have handled Covid dramatically better. Taiwan began aggressive preparations in January. See their results.
I’ll give a story and then relate it to Trump. I met an old guy that owned a body shop when I wanted to paint my car. I was learning and didn’t really know what to do. He let me paint my car at his shop on weekends. I didn’t understand why he was nice to offer the shop to me because he was an asshole. He would scream and swear at me and talk shit. Some of the stuff he would say was just nuts. Others that would do business with him hated talking to him. Then, over the weeks, I got to know him. He put on a big front. He was the nicest guy ever. Especially when I took his advice on painting and when I got pretty darn good, I earned his respect.
So, then there is Trump. Point of the story is, you can’t change the guy. He speaks the way he does and often times with his back door, or frankly front door, brags. At the end of the day, it is what it is. Ignore all of that and just accept it. Then, look at everything else. I think the guy is a patriot first. Google his list of accomplishments whiled president. . It’s pretty impressive considering the guy was being impeached for 3.5 years. I’m currently looking at presidents wealth before taking office and after. So far, everyone came out wealthy. Not Trump, from what I read. I truly think the guy may be a lot of things, but I don’t think he is the political criminal many seem to be.
I have read this three times now trying to make some sense of it. I have failed all three times.
It means, forget he is a bafoon. He gets the job done.
Is his job mishandling a pandemic resulting in 160,000 dead Americans?
Please, give your insight into the proper way to handle COVID-19, starting with what information was available until now. Then, let me know who would have implemented your ideas well.
I will add that, they initially thought 10% would die, so 160,000 is a low number in my mind.
It’s been discussed here in great detail how other countries have handled Covid dramatically better. Taiwan began aggressive preparations in January. See their results.
Just read an article saying Taiwan was hit hard by SARS in 2003. They admitted to spending 17 years planning for the next pandemic. 17 years! So, this is Trump’s fault? Look- USA screwed the pooch, but everyone needs to stop pointing fingers. Luckily for us, it isn’t as bad as they claimed back in March and the numbers are not piling up as high as anticipated. Funny that Fauci claims New York “did it right” and they have led the way in USA with about 30k deaths. New Jersey right behind them. Those 2 states alone account for over 30% of USA total death count.
Apparently Taiwan has universal healthcare and easy access to people’s health information on top of using app’s on their phones for contact tracing. Do you see USA adopting this? I know the latest iPhone update included tracing and everyone I know didn’t turn it on and never wants to.
While I’m not suggesting to be a medical expert, the virus is here and doesn’t “go away” to my knowledge. So, does Taiwan plan to just keep social distancing and wearing masks forever? How do you get to heard immunity that way? Also, being on an island... doesn’t that present differing circumstances? Not to mention, they have 7% of the population as the USA
Just read an article saying Taiwan was hit hard by SARS in 2003. They admitted to spending 17 years planning for the next pandemic. 17 years! So, this is Trump’s fault?
Well, we've spent the past few decades also planning for pandemic response, and all reporting seems to indicate this administration chose to sideline, ignore, or poorly execute those plans. Does Pres Trump get all the blame for COVID? Of course not. But does he bear a large share of responsibility for our response? Yes. He's the President, and holding that position comes with responsibility and accountability for how the nation executes a national pandemic plan.
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While I’m not suggesting to be a medical expert, the virus is here and doesn’t “go away” to my knowledge. So, does Taiwan plan to just keep social distancing and wearing masks forever? How do you get to heard immunity that way?
Vaccine. Certainly you're aware that we're expending a lot of effort (worldwide) to build a vaccine. Slowguy
While I’m not suggesting to be a medical expert, the virus is here and doesn’t “go away” to my knowledge. So, does Taiwan plan to just keep social distancing and wearing masks forever? How do you get to heard immunity that way?
Vaccine. Certainly you're aware that we're expending a lot of effort (worldwide) to build a vaccine.
I've heard some stuff about a vaccine and maybe more than one being developed
I’ll give a story and then relate it to Trump. I met an old guy that owned a body shop when I wanted to paint my car. I was learning and didn’t really know what to do. He let me paint my car at his shop on weekends. I didn’t understand why he was nice to offer the shop to me because he was an asshole. He would scream and swear at me and talk shit. Some of the stuff he would say was just nuts. Others that would do business with him hated talking to him. Then, over the weeks, I got to know him. He put on a big front. He was the nicest guy ever. Especially when I took his advice on painting and when I got pretty darn good, I earned his respect.
So, then there is Trump. Point of the story is, you can’t change the guy. He speaks the way he does and often times with his back door, or frankly front door, brags. At the end of the day, it is what it is. Ignore all of that and just accept it. Then, look at everything else. I think the guy is a patriot first. Google his list of accomplishments whiled president. . It’s pretty impressive considering the guy was being impeached for 3.5 years. I’m currently looking at presidents wealth before taking office and after. So far, everyone came out wealthy. Not Trump, from what I read. I truly think the guy may be a lot of things, but I don’t think he is the political criminal many seem to be.
I have read this three times now trying to make some sense of it. I have failed all three times.
It means, forget he is a bafoon. He gets the job done.
Is his job mishandling a pandemic resulting in 160,000 dead Americans?
Please, give your insight into the proper way to handle COVID-19, starting with what information was available until now. Then, let me know who would have implemented your ideas well.
I will add that, they initially thought 10% would die, so 160,000 is a low number in my mind.
It’s been discussed here in great detail how other countries have handled Covid dramatically better. Taiwan began aggressive preparations in January. See their results.
Just read an article saying Taiwan was hit hard by SARS in 2003. They admitted to spending 17 years planning for the next pandemic. 17 years! So, this is Trump’s fault? Look- USA screwed the pooch, but everyone needs to stop pointing fingers. Luckily for us, it isn’t as bad as they claimed back in March and the numbers are not piling up as high as anticipated. Funny that Fauci claims New York “did it right” and they have led the way in USA with about 30k deaths. New Jersey right behind them. Those 2 states alone account for over 30% of USA total death count.
Apparently Taiwan has universal healthcare and easy access to people’s health information on top of using app’s on their phones for contact tracing. Do you see USA adopting this? I know the latest iPhone update included tracing and everyone I know didn’t turn it on and never wants to.
While I’m not suggesting to be a medical expert, the virus is here and doesn’t “go away” to my knowledge. So, does Taiwan plan to just keep social distancing and wearing masks forever? How do you get to heard immunity that way? Also, being on an island... doesn’t that present differing circumstances? Not to mention, they have 7% of the population as the USA
Don’t like Taiwan? Ok, how about Canada? Or New Zealand? Or Korea?
The Obama Administration actually wrote a pandemic response playbook in 2016, which Mitch McConnell lied about when he said, “ the Obama administration did not leave any kind of game plan for something like this.” We were well aware another pandemic could hit. We didn’t need to have been hit by SARS. Just look at Bill Gates’ 2012 TED Talk. Our CDC was (was) the envy of the world.
Taiwan used to import all its masks, but by the end of January (January!) they were producing 25m masks a day. Why didn’t Trump invoke the DPA to do the same? Oh yeah, sorry, we shouldn’t point fingers.
We screwed the pooch on testing early on. We keep screwing the pooch on testing. We screwed the pooch on not shutting out all foreign nationals from all nation early on when the pandemic was ravaging Italy. We kept thousands of flight arrivals in immigration halls for hours and hours. We screwed the pooch on contact tracing. We screwed the pooch on PPE distribution early on (wtf was Jared Kushner doing?!)... oh but let’s not point fingers!
And yes, for now, until there’s a vaccine, Taiwan WILL keep social distancing and wearing masks, and contact tracing. And their case numbers will remain low, and their economy relatively unscathed, and their number of deaths may even stay in SINGLE DIGITS. Yes, Taiwan has had 7 deaths total and none since May.
They have 7% of the population of the US and have 0.004% of the number of deaths of the US.
Your healthcare argument is specious. That is not the reason we have 160k deaths.
What we need is crisis leadership, bringing the country together in a fight against a common enemy. We need people to embrace wearing masks in public and to understand that doing so protects others, less so ourselves, we need to persuade people to cooperate with contact tracers and use the app. We need to tamp down hot zones with temporary lockdowns, and reopen based on data. We could have done all this already with a coherent national response and clear messaging.
The NE was indeed hit hard and mistakes were made under difficult circumstances using the best available knowledge at the time and desperate needs for hospital space. But the NE has reopened sensibly using the CDC guidelines and the results are clear.
But we can just hope it will disappear: That seems like a good policy, amirite?
I’ll give a story and then relate it to Trump. I met an old guy that owned a body shop when I wanted to paint my car. I was learning and didn’t really know what to do. He let me paint my car at his shop on weekends. I didn’t understand why he was nice to offer the shop to me because he was an asshole. He would scream and swear at me and talk shit. Some of the stuff he would say was just nuts. Others that would do business with him hated talking to him. Then, over the weeks, I got to know him. He put on a big front. He was the nicest guy ever. Especially when I took his advice on painting and when I got pretty darn good, I earned his respect.
So, then there is Trump. Point of the story is, you can’t change the guy. He speaks the way he does and often times with his back door, or frankly front door, brags. At the end of the day, it is what it is. Ignore all of that and just accept it. Then, look at everything else. I think the guy is a patriot first. Google his list of accomplishments whiled president. . It’s pretty impressive considering the guy was being impeached for 3.5 years. I’m currently looking at presidents wealth before taking office and after. So far, everyone came out wealthy. Not Trump, from what I read. I truly think the guy may be a lot of things, but I don’t think he is the political criminal many seem to be.
I have read this three times now trying to make some sense of it. I have failed all three times.
It means, forget he is a bafoon. He gets the job done.
Is his job mishandling a pandemic resulting in 160,000 dead Americans?
Please, give your insight into the proper way to handle COVID-19, starting with what information was available until now. Then, let me know who would have implemented your ideas well.
I will add that, they initially thought 10% would die, so 160,000 is a low number in my mind.
It’s been discussed here in great detail how other countries have handled Covid dramatically better. Taiwan began aggressive preparations in January. See their results.
Just read an article saying Taiwan was hit hard by SARS in 2003. They admitted to spending 17 years planning for the next pandemic. 17 years! So, this is Trump’s fault? Look- USA screwed the pooch, but everyone needs to stop pointing fingers. Luckily for us, it isn’t as bad as they claimed back in March and the numbers are not piling up as high as anticipated. Funny that Fauci claims New York “did it right” and they have led the way in USA with about 30k deaths. New Jersey right behind them. Those 2 states alone account for over 30% of USA total death count.
Apparently Taiwan has universal healthcare and easy access to people’s health information on top of using app’s on their phones for contact tracing. Do you see USA adopting this? I know the latest iPhone update included tracing and everyone I know didn’t turn it on and never wants to.
While I’m not suggesting to be a medical expert, the virus is here and doesn’t “go away” to my knowledge. So, does Taiwan plan to just keep social distancing and wearing masks forever? How do you get to heard immunity that way? Also, being on an island... doesn’t that present differing circumstances? Not to mention, they have 7% of the population as the USA
Wait, the virus doesn’t just “go away?” But trump keeps saying that it will go away. If I didn’t know better I might think he was full of shit. Shirley a superpatriot like trump wouldn’t mislead and lie to the country out of self interest?
Just read an article saying Taiwan was hit hard by SARS in 2003. They admitted to spending 17 years planning for the next pandemic. 17 years! So, this is Trump’s fault?
Well, we've spent the past few decades also planning for pandemic response, and all reporting seems to indicate this administration chose to sideline, ignore, or poorly execute those plans. Does Pres Trump get all the blame for COVID? Of course not. But does he bear a large share of responsibility for our response? Yes. He's the President, and holding that position comes with responsibility and accountability for how the nation executes a national pandemic plan.
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While I’m not suggesting to be a medical expert, the virus is here and doesn’t “go away” to my knowledge. So, does Taiwan plan to just keep social distancing and wearing masks forever? How do you get to heard immunity that way?
Vaccine. Certainly you're aware that we're expending a lot of effort (worldwide) to build a vaccine.
That’s an option, although the question is- will Taiwan all take the vaccine and do you believe USA will? I know many that don’t want the vaccine including me.
I’ll give a story and then relate it to Trump. I met an old guy that owned a body shop when I wanted to paint my car. I was learning and didn’t really know what to do. He let me paint my car at his shop on weekends. I didn’t understand why he was nice to offer the shop to me because he was an asshole. He would scream and swear at me and talk shit. Some of the stuff he would say was just nuts. Others that would do business with him hated talking to him. Then, over the weeks, I got to know him. He put on a big front. He was the nicest guy ever. Especially when I took his advice on painting and when I got pretty darn good, I earned his respect.
So, then there is Trump. Point of the story is, you can’t change the guy. He speaks the way he does and often times with his back door, or frankly front door, brags. At the end of the day, it is what it is. Ignore all of that and just accept it. Then, look at everything else. I think the guy is a patriot first. Google his list of accomplishments whiled president. . It’s pretty impressive considering the guy was being impeached for 3.5 years. I’m currently looking at presidents wealth before taking office and after. So far, everyone came out wealthy. Not Trump, from what I read. I truly think the guy may be a lot of things, but I don’t think he is the political criminal many seem to be.
I have read this three times now trying to make some sense of it. I have failed all three times.
It means, forget he is a bafoon. He gets the job done.
Is his job mishandling a pandemic resulting in 160,000 dead Americans?
Please, give your insight into the proper way to handle COVID-19, starting with what information was available until now. Then, let me know who would have implemented your ideas well.
I will add that, they initially thought 10% would die, so 160,000 is a low number in my mind.
It’s been discussed here in great detail how other countries have handled Covid dramatically better. Taiwan began aggressive preparations in January. See their results.
Just read an article saying Taiwan was hit hard by SARS in 2003. They admitted to spending 17 years planning for the next pandemic. 17 years! So, this is Trump’s fault? Look- USA screwed the pooch, but everyone needs to stop pointing fingers. Luckily for us, it isn’t as bad as they claimed back in March and the numbers are not piling up as high as anticipated. Funny that Fauci claims New York “did it right” and they have led the way in USA with about 30k deaths. New Jersey right behind them. Those 2 states alone account for over 30% of USA total death count.
Apparently Taiwan has universal healthcare and easy access to people’s health information on top of using app’s on their phones for contact tracing. Do you see USA adopting this? I know the latest iPhone update included tracing and everyone I know didn’t turn it on and never wants to.
While I’m not suggesting to be a medical expert, the virus is here and doesn’t “go away” to my knowledge. So, does Taiwan plan to just keep social distancing and wearing masks forever? How do you get to heard immunity that way? Also, being on an island... doesn’t that present differing circumstances? Not to mention, they have 7% of the population as the USA
Wait, the virus doesn’t just “go away?” But trump keeps saying that it will go away. If I didn’t know better I might think he was full of shit. Shirley a superpatriot like trump wouldn’t mislead and lie to the country out of self interest?
Better question for you- if Hillary won, do you think CoVid-19 would have been handled better? Is Hillary more of a Patriot than Trump with less self interest?
Just read an article saying Taiwan was hit hard by SARS in 2003. They admitted to spending 17 years planning for the next pandemic. 17 years! So, this is Trump’s fault?
Well, we've spent the past few decades also planning for pandemic response, and all reporting seems to indicate this administration chose to sideline, ignore, or poorly execute those plans. Does Pres Trump get all the blame for COVID? Of course not. But does he bear a large share of responsibility for our response? Yes. He's the President, and holding that position comes with responsibility and accountability for how the nation executes a national pandemic plan.
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While I’m not suggesting to be a medical expert, the virus is here and doesn’t “go away” to my knowledge. So, does Taiwan plan to just keep social distancing and wearing masks forever? How do you get to heard immunity that way?
Vaccine. Certainly you're aware that we're expending a lot of effort (worldwide) to build a vaccine.
That’s an option, although the question is- will Taiwan all take the vaccine and do you believe USA will? I know many that don’t want the vaccine including me.
Well you can’t cure stupid.
The solution to a few people deciding they don’t like vaccines is not to allow everyone to get sick in the hopes of establishing herd immunity. Slowguy
I’ll give a story and then relate it to Trump. I met an old guy that owned a body shop when I wanted to paint my car. I was learning and didn’t really know what to do. He let me paint my car at his shop on weekends. I didn’t understand why he was nice to offer the shop to me because he was an asshole. He would scream and swear at me and talk shit. Some of the stuff he would say was just nuts. Others that would do business with him hated talking to him. Then, over the weeks, I got to know him. He put on a big front. He was the nicest guy ever. Especially when I took his advice on painting and when I got pretty darn good, I earned his respect.
So, then there is Trump. Point of the story is, you can’t change the guy. He speaks the way he does and often times with his back door, or frankly front door, brags. At the end of the day, it is what it is. Ignore all of that and just accept it. Then, look at everything else. I think the guy is a patriot first. Google his list of accomplishments whiled president. . It’s pretty impressive considering the guy was being impeached for 3.5 years. I’m currently looking at presidents wealth before taking office and after. So far, everyone came out wealthy. Not Trump, from what I read. I truly think the guy may be a lot of things, but I don’t think he is the political criminal many seem to be.
I have read this three times now trying to make some sense of it. I have failed all three times.
It means, forget he is a bafoon. He gets the job done.
Is his job mishandling a pandemic resulting in 160,000 dead Americans?
Please, give your insight into the proper way to handle COVID-19, starting with what information was available until now. Then, let me know who would have implemented your ideas well.
I will add that, they initially thought 10% would die, so 160,000 is a low number in my mind.
It’s been discussed here in great detail how other countries have handled Covid dramatically better. Taiwan began aggressive preparations in January. See their results.
Just read an article saying Taiwan was hit hard by SARS in 2003. They admitted to spending 17 years planning for the next pandemic. 17 years! So, this is Trump’s fault? Look- USA screwed the pooch, but everyone needs to stop pointing fingers. Luckily for us, it isn’t as bad as they claimed back in March and the numbers are not piling up as high as anticipated. Funny that Fauci claims New York “did it right” and they have led the way in USA with about 30k deaths. New Jersey right behind them. Those 2 states alone account for over 30% of USA total death count.
Apparently Taiwan has universal healthcare and easy access to people’s health information on top of using app’s on their phones for contact tracing. Do you see USA adopting this? I know the latest iPhone update included tracing and everyone I know didn’t turn it on and never wants to.
While I’m not suggesting to be a medical expert, the virus is here and doesn’t “go away” to my knowledge. So, does Taiwan plan to just keep social distancing and wearing masks forever? How do you get to heard immunity that way? Also, being on an island... doesn’t that present differing circumstances? Not to mention, they have 7% of the population as the USA
Wait, the virus doesn’t just “go away?” But trump keeps saying that it will go away. If I didn’t know better I might think he was full of shit. Shirley a superpatriot like trump wouldn’t mislead and lie to the country out of self interest?
Better question for you- if Hillary won, do you think CoVid-19 would have been handled better? Is Hillary more of a Patriot than Trump with less self interest?
That’s an option, although the question is- will Taiwan all take the vaccine and do you believe USA will? I know many that don’t want the vaccine including me.
Just an idle question, but have you been vaccinated for anything at all? Tetanus? Diptheria? Mumps? Measles? Polio? Hepatitis?
I'm just wondering if you're opposed to vaccines in general, or just a covid vaccine.
I’ll give a story and then relate it to Trump. I met an old guy that owned a body shop when I wanted to paint my car. I was learning and didn’t really know what to do. He let me paint my car at his shop on weekends. I didn’t understand why he was nice to offer the shop to me because he was an asshole. He would scream and swear at me and talk shit. Some of the stuff he would say was just nuts. Others that would do business with him hated talking to him. Then, over the weeks, I got to know him. He put on a big front. He was the nicest guy ever. Especially when I took his advice on painting and when I got pretty darn good, I earned his respect.
So, then there is Trump. Point of the story is, you can’t change the guy. He speaks the way he does and often times with his back door, or frankly front door, brags. At the end of the day, it is what it is. Ignore all of that and just accept it. Then, look at everything else. I think the guy is a patriot first. Google his list of accomplishments whiled president. . It’s pretty impressive considering the guy was being impeached for 3.5 years. I’m currently looking at presidents wealth before taking office and after. So far, everyone came out wealthy. Not Trump, from what I read. I truly think the guy may be a lot of things, but I don’t think he is the political criminal many seem to be.
I have read this three times now trying to make some sense of it. I have failed all three times.
It means, forget he is a bafoon. He gets the job done.
Is his job mishandling a pandemic resulting in 160,000 dead Americans?
Please, give your insight into the proper way to handle COVID-19, starting with what information was available until now. Then, let me know who would have implemented your ideas well.
I will add that, they initially thought 10% would die, so 160,000 is a low number in my mind.
It’s been discussed here in great detail how other countries have handled Covid dramatically better. Taiwan began aggressive preparations in January. See their results.
Just read an article saying Taiwan was hit hard by SARS in 2003. They admitted to spending 17 years planning for the next pandemic. 17 years! So, this is Trump’s fault? Look- USA screwed the pooch, but everyone needs to stop pointing fingers. Luckily for us, it isn’t as bad as they claimed back in March and the numbers are not piling up as high as anticipated. Funny that Fauci claims New York “did it right” and they have led the way in USA with about 30k deaths. New Jersey right behind them. Those 2 states alone account for over 30% of USA total death count.
Apparently Taiwan has universal healthcare and easy access to people’s health information on top of using app’s on their phones for contact tracing. Do you see USA adopting this? I know the latest iPhone update included tracing and everyone I know didn’t turn it on and never wants to.
While I’m not suggesting to be a medical expert, the virus is here and doesn’t “go away” to my knowledge. So, does Taiwan plan to just keep social distancing and wearing masks forever? How do you get to heard immunity that way? Also, being on an island... doesn’t that present differing circumstances? Not to mention, they have 7% of the population as the USA
Wait, the virus doesn’t just “go away?” But trump keeps saying that it will go away. If I didn’t know better I might think he was full of shit. Shirley a superpatriot like trump wouldn’t mislead and lie to the country out of self interest?
Better question for you- if Hillary won, do you think CoVid-19 would have been handled better? Is Hillary more of a Patriot than Trump with less self interest?
That’s an option, although the question is- will Taiwan all take the vaccine and do you believe USA will? I know many that don’t want the vaccine including me.
Just an idle question, but have you been vaccinated for anything at all? Tetanus? Diptheria? Mumps? Measles? Polio? Hepatitis?
I'm just wondering if you're opposed to vaccines in general, or just a covid vaccine.
As a kid to go to school, when it was my parents choice and not mine, yes.
I haven’t broken a bone and I take zero medications and I don’t wear glasses at 47 years old. Maybe lucky, not sure. I’m not second guessing anything.
That’s an option, although the question is- will Taiwan all take the vaccine and do you believe USA will? I know many that don’t want the vaccine including me.
Just an idle question, but have you been vaccinated for anything at all? Tetanus? Diptheria? Mumps? Measles? Polio? Hepatitis?
I'm just wondering if you're opposed to vaccines in general, or just a covid vaccine.
As a kid to go to school, when it was my parents choice and not mine, yes.
I haven’t broken a bone and I take zero medications and I don’t wear glasses at 47 years old. Maybe lucky, not sure. I’m not second guessing anything.
So if you were to step on a rusty nail and the doctor in the ER recommended a tenanus booster, what would your response be?
I wouldn't take a vaccine that has been rushed to market.
Considering the fastest vaccine ever made took 4 years I have no desire for this vaccine if it comes in the shortest timespan it would take.
I too will be looking critically at the clinical data for any new vaccine to decide for myself if it is safe. However, I will not be so foolish as to assume that it was "rushed to market" ignoring safety standards.
With the tremendous resources being devoted to development of a covid vaccine, the large number of parallel efforts, and the accelerated timelines for clinical trials being allowed by regulatory agencies, I don't see any fundamental reason why a safe, effective vaccine can't be developed far more quickly than any previous vaccine.
To say that a covid vaccine needs to somehow conform to an arbitrary 4-year timeline to be considered safe is just plain silly.
