The worst part is the racism being used to try and sway the election. They chose Kanye for one reason and one reason only. They are hoping black voters go to Kanye instead of Joe. That’s disgusting.

Deflect, ignore and no substance. Typical lawyer shit.

This is about the GOP Party in your state pulling a pathetic and desperate move to get a guy who isn't even in their party on the ballot in the hopes of helping the election chances of a historically bad candidate from their party. You know it is and you know you can't defend it. If you could have, you would have by now.

But once again, you fail to address the issue. Pathetic.

can i offer another option? you were presented a binary choice. you had ample opportunity to make up your mind. you choose poorly. own what you did. don't repeat your mistake. don't blame it on somebody else.

Yeah this is what frustrates me with people injecting their opinions on my choices.

Yes I did own and and mentioned I regret it.

I am not blaming it on someone else, but neither candidate earned my vote. We all choose for who we vote for differently.

If there is one thing I have learned over the past 4 years and moving to a very red state it is this.

Many people voted for Trump for a myriad of reasons, but what keeps coming up the most is many felt they could relate to Trump and that he put Americans first. It was similar to Obama and his message of Hope if 2008.

I have seen a much different world since 2016 and many people really identify with Trump and his personality that no other politician ever has. He doesn't speak well, but people don't want great speakers, they want someone that can talk at their level. Say what you want about Trump but that is why so many absolutely love him.

For me I couldn't identify, relate, or trust either candidate. In 2016 you were not getting my vote as the lesser of the two evils, you earn my vote because I am paying you.

This is hilarious. They are going to do it again.....

So do you think Hilary lost Wisconsin because she didn't go there?

The worst part is the racism being used to try and sway the election. They chose Kanye for one reason and one reason only. They are hoping black voters go to Kanye instead of Joe. That’s disgusting.

Dude Kanye put himself into the race. Granted it was to boost the ratings of his show but intellectually you can't complain about it if you truly want open elections. Maybe being in Chicago with perpetual candidates and crazy platforms makes me a bit more accepting.

that's really what you hope? your posting history convinces me otherwise.

hillary earned your vote. she earned it because she was smart, qualified, effective. in everything she did, she was pretty effective. you chose not to vote for her because you didn't like her. okay. but what i keep hearing about trump supporters is that they aren't voting for pastor, father, husband. you tell me why trump is given the pass on everything that should speak volumes, but hillary is held to some standard that is unattainable.

democrats didn't blow it, my friend. foolish voters blew it. there's a thread on hillary right now. what would be different in america if hillary was elected? we'd have 20,000 coronavirus deaths instead of 160,000. NATO would be our ally, and russia our adversary. we wouldn't have a trade war. or a president whose words have become irrelevant because the whole world has awoken to the fact that what our president says carries exactly zero weight.

but if hillary were elected, you would be uninspired by your leader. hillary did not inspire you. so you chose another option, and you got what you chose, and you're now asking democrats not to blow it again? this is like having a spouse that you got a little too used to, and you strayed, you wanted a little strange, and you certainly got strange, and you saw the consequences of strange, and now you're asking your spouse to not blow it again. okay.

yes

if Biden loses WI do you think it will be because Kayne is on the ballot?

If you have never heard that the reason she lost WI is that she never visited, given your presence on ST in the last 4 years, then I have to ask whether we can question your cognitive dissonance (like we cant Bidens)

I’ll give a story and then relate it to Trump. I met an old guy that owned a body shop when I wanted to paint my car. I was learning and didn’t really know what to do. He let me paint my car at his shop on weekends. I didn’t understand why he was nice to offer the shop to me because he was an asshole. He would scream and swear at me and talk shit. Some of the stuff he would say was just nuts. Others that would do business with him hated talking to him. Then, over the weeks, I got to know him. He put on a big front. He was the nicest guy ever. Especially when I took his advice on painting and when I got pretty darn good, I earned his respect.

So, then there is Trump. Point of the story is, you can’t change the guy. He speaks the way he does and often times with his back door, or frankly front door, brags. At the end of the day, it is what it is. Ignore all of that and just accept it. Then, look at everything else. I think the guy is a patriot first. Google his list of accomplishments whiled president. . It’s pretty impressive considering the guy was being impeached for 3.5 years. I’m currently looking at presidents wealth before taking office and after. So far, everyone came out wealthy. Not Trump, from what I read. I truly think the guy may be a lot of things, but I don’t think he is the political criminal many seem to be.

I have read this three times now trying to make some sense of it. I have failed all three times.

If you have never heard that the reason she lost WI is that she never visited, given your presence on ST in the last 4 years, then I have to ask whether we can question your cognitive dissonance (like we cant Bidens)

point of order here, sport. what i wrote is that you can't just rely on unfounded accusations of dementia, for either presidential candidate. if you have some sort of non-conspiracy-theory evidence of dementia for either, you may post it, with your citation from a reputable source.

why did i make this rule? because operatives and propagandists made hillary's health an issue in the last election through the release and dissemination of what turned out to be false medical records. i expect the very same thing to occur with biden. perish the thought that some member of our community might take propaganda from their morning in-box dumps and display it here!

we are simply a little in front of facebook and twitter, friend. i'm sure there's someplace that will accept your fake medical claims. maybe facebook will take them for a while longer. no can do here.

point of order here, sport. what i wrote is that you can't just rely on unfounded accusations of dementia, for either presidential candidate. if you have some sort of non-conspiracy-theory evidence of dementia for either, you may post it, with your citation from a reputable source.

why did i make this rule? because operatives and propagandists made hillary's health an issue in the last election through the release and dissemination of what turned out to be false medical records. i expect the very same thing to occur with biden. perish the thought that some member of our community might take propaganda from their morning in-box dumps and display it here!

we are simply a little in front of facebook and twitter, friend. i'm sure there's someplace that will accept your fake medical claims. maybe facebook will take them for a while longer. no can do here.

So why did she lose Penn, Ohio and Florida, the States she visited the most? I’ve heard about 20 reasons why she lost Wisconsin and did poorly in the rust belt, but never because she didn’t visit. I think she lost because politicians ignored the manufacturing jobs, people wanted a change, the Clinton name was toxic and people were tired of them.

If you’re saying she lost because she didn’t make a Presidential stop in Milwaukee, where the massive campaign disrupts the entire City, at a time people were disillusioned about the status quo and long-term politicians, then you are simply trying to justify your vote for Trump and that you were fooled buy a con man. I would be embarrassed too but better to just move on and not make excuses.

If Biden loses Wisconsin, it’s because Wisconsin voters are Republican and wouldn’t vote for a Democrat to save their lives, exactly the same reason Clinton lost.

no problem. i felt this was a good opportunity just to reiterate this. some have taken great umbrage to this rule; one longtime forum denizen leaving in protest over it. however, anyone who takes violent exception to this rule is, i reckon, somebody who intended to deploy that very tactic, and i'd rather have that person gone than here anyway.

if we can't talk this election out as humans - regardless of politican bent - then our problems are much bigger problems than my ineffectual moderation.

as to sanuk, you may spread propaganda about his mental acuity, or mine, all you want. one hundred minus seven is ninety-two. er, ninety-five. somewhere in there.

Saw this rule and wanted to know if a person's personal opinion on Biden's mental fitness is fair game based upon one's own experience and what they see with their very own eyes on the TV screen. I don't think it takes a psychologist or neurologist to let someone know when a person may be having cognitive difficulties. Anyone that has seen it before has some type of idea of what is going on. I had a grandmother with confirmed dementia and signs are not hard to see.

With Biden, we can see him on TV, the way he talks, the way his eyes look and the way he stumbles in speech and it gives us an idea of his cognitive ability, like it would anyone else we see during the day. Are opinions in that realm off limits?

I am voting for the guy even if they come out with a report he has full blown dementia and can't recall his name when he is alone, but that because of the situation we are in. I don't think it's unreasonable to question his and trumps cognitive state based upon what we see of them in public.