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Re: **SPOILERS 2016 Spring Classics Thread SPOILERS** [trail] [ In reply to ]
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Also, side note. Belgian rider Antoine Demoitie was struck by a moto during the race and it's pretty serious. Hoping he pulls through and it's not as bad as it sounds. Hate to hear these things.


Demoitie is dead. I have a hard time getting upset here in the U.S. and CTE in NFL football. Because I fear that if we turn that same magnifying glass on professional cycling we'll find far more human carnage in death, chronic disability, eating disorders, drug dependence, etc.

un-f'ing-believable soooo sad

The entire event (IM) is like "death by 1000 cuts" and the best race is minimizing all those cuts and losing less blood than the other guy. - Dev
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Re: **SPOILERS 2016 Spring Classics Thread SPOILERS** [LuisDF] [ In reply to ]
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If there would have been some terrorist attack against riders, then people would be calling for more motos. Being reactionary is pretty normal.
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Re: **SPOILERS 2016 Spring Classics Thread SPOILERS** [v0coder] [ In reply to ]
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I agree something needs to be done. But there needs to be solutions, not just reactions.

Right now is the time to support the family and friends of Antoine, gone far too soon.

I read that his organs were donated and have already saved 3 people... what a hero.
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Re: **SPOILERS 2016 Spring Classics Thread SPOILERS** [daveTDF] [ In reply to ]
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there is never a good time to "react", but if not now when?
The UCI and organizers have been failing to react for over 18 months now, while the list of moto accidents involving riders has continued to tick up one by one, weekend after weekend.

There were points yesterday where it looked like a moto race rather than a cycling race.
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Re: **SPOILERS 2016 Spring Classics Thread SPOILERS** [v0coder] [ In reply to ]
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The riders (and we as fans of the sport) have been calling for more safety measurements for the last 2 or 3 years AT LEAST.

The entire event (IM) is like "death by 1000 cuts" and the best race is minimizing all those cuts and losing less blood than the other guy. - Dev
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Re: **SPOILERS 2016 Spring Classics Thread SPOILERS** [RONDAL] [ In reply to ]
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RONDAL wrote:
there is never a good time to "react", but if not now when?
The UCI and organizers have been failing to react for over 18 months now, while the list of moto accidents involving riders has continued to tick up one by one, weekend after weekend.

There were points yesterday where it looked like a moto race rather than a cycling race.



That was the armada escorting Kustenov while he was off the front solo yesterday....he is somewhere in there.

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Re: **SPOILERS 2016 Spring Classics Thread SPOILERS** [RONDAL] [ In reply to ]
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Yes. We are on the same page. What I mean is these events happen (a lot recently), everyone has an emotional reaction, but nothing truly has been done to fix the problem. We need solutions.

I don't know if less motos is the answer, perhaps it is, but my personal belief is that there needs to be stricter protocols in place for passing the riders.There needs to be a mandatory distance kept from the riders. They need to pick experienced moto pilots, and travel them to all WT races that are this high profile.

Can you imagine a dozen photographers on a soccer pitch or a football field during play, trying to avoid getting in the way? Unfortunately, coverage of this sport requires cameras, photogs, medic and support vehicles on the field of play. It's a unique problem.
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Re: **SPOILERS 2016 Spring Classics Thread SPOILERS** [daveTDF] [ In reply to ]
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Can you imagine a dozen photographers on a soccer pitch or a football field during play, trying to avoid getting in the way?


No professional athletes at this level are so exposed and vulnerable - from outside and from within the field of play - than professional cyclists.

Think about it for a minute. Professional cyclists come into closer contact, with spectators/fans than any other sport. The scene on the side of the road in many of the bigger races, other than within the barricades in the final kilometer is completely unregulated. Those scenes from the Grand Tours, the Tour de France in particular, of the major climbs - somewhat controlled mayhem!

And now this - motos from within, the race organization, the media and the UCI, also now being an issue.

There are no easy solutions here. Perhaps some applications of common sense might be a good place to start.


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Re: **SPOILERS 2016 Spring Classics Thread SPOILERS** [Fleck] [ In reply to ]
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I was racing in WVA this past weekend. Your basic local road race. Small roads, big field, not a closed course, center line rule in effect. I go to move up on the left and the moto guns it to move up on the left at the same time. The guy (official) just misses me. This stuff happens a lot- on all levels. The motos are not thinking about or anticipating riders' moves, or what might happen next. They are hell bent on what they "need" to do, probably distracted by their headsets.

So damn sad for this young rider and his family and so unnecessary. Let's hope there are some real changes made.
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Re: **SPOILERS 2016 Spring Classics Thread SPOILERS** [McNulty] [ In reply to ]
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Don't get me going on Commissaires in bike road racing. I've been witness to some of the biggest, this-makes-no-sense-at-all decisions, I've ever witnessed in my life!


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Re: **SPOILERS 2016 Spring Classics Thread SPOILERS** [Fleck] [ In reply to ]
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http://www.steephill.tv/driedaagse-de-panne/

Great stuff from Astana. Ha ha.
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Re: **SPOILERS 2016 Spring Classics Thread SPOILERS** [McNulty] [ In reply to ]
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anybody saw this? tram lines in the last 2k, and riders actually hopping over the other side of the tracks

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Re: **SPOILERS 2016 Spring Classics Thread SPOILERS** [daveTDF] [ In reply to ]
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daveTDF wrote:
Yes. We are on the same page. What I mean is these events happen (a lot recently), everyone has an emotional reaction, but nothing truly has been done to fix the problem. We need solutions.

I don't know if less motos is the answer, perhaps it is, but my personal belief is that there needs to be stricter protocols in place for passing the riders.There needs to be a mandatory distance kept from the riders. They need to pick experienced moto pilots, and travel them to all WT races that are this high profile.

Can you imagine a dozen photographers on a soccer pitch or a football field during play, trying to avoid getting in the way? Unfortunately, coverage of this sport requires cameras, photogs, medic and support vehicles on the field of play. It's a unique problem.

i completely agree with you. but lets not sit around and try and figure out the PERFECT solution, because there likely isn't one, and it's going to take too long to realize that, all the while nothing gets done. Start making small changes immediately, even if they have to evolve over the coming races. There is some pretty low hanging fruit:

#1. Figure out the minimum number of motos you need to adjudicate a race safely. This becomes your baseline. Every moto incremental to the baseline should be justified and should be ADDING to the quality of the race, not detracting. It'll piss of press journalists but it is not about them.
#2. Reduce the speed limits and impose distances required when passing the peloton or break. Whether its peloton speed +10-15km/h, and 3m minimum gap on the side. This at least forces the motos (and cars) to pick and choose properly where they are passing and reduces the speed at which they are doing so, giving them more time to react.
#3. Motos should not be allowed to follow directly behind riders, should be offset left or right, and should be back at LEAST 10m. Too often they are sitting right on their back wheel.
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Re: **SPOILERS 2016 Spring Classics Thread SPOILERS** [echappist] [ In reply to ]
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What's this you say? ETIXX botched another race finish?

Inconceivable!

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Re: **SPOILERS 2016 Spring Classics Thread SPOILERS** [Power13] [ In reply to ]
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Power13 wrote:
What's this you say? ETIXX botched another race finish?

Inconceivable!

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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Re: **SPOILERS 2016 Spring Classics Thread SPOILERS** [echappist] [ In reply to ]
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echappist wrote:
loved how FC tried to jerk his shoulders and make others react inside the final K

I thought that was awesome too! No one reacted though from his 'bluff'
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Re: **SPOILERS 2016 Spring Classics Thread SPOILERS** [Power13] [ In reply to ]
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What's this you say? ETIXX botched another race finish?

Inconceivable!

Why in the world did he launch at 250m? Kittel will never be a Cav, Etixx went too early, again. At least it was not as bad as Astana yesterday, Oh boy, where to begin on that one?
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Re: **SPOILERS 2016 Spring Classics Thread SPOILERS** [McNulty] [ In reply to ]
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Alright, making my Ronde picks before I forget:
Sagan, FC, Kwiatkowski
WC: Stannard, Stybar
Last edited by: Carl Spackler: Mar 30, 16 20:17
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Re: **SPOILERS 2016 Spring Classics Thread SPOILERS** [Carl Spackler] [ In reply to ]
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I think de Ronde turns out to be just a wee bit too long for Sagan....

FC, Kwiakowski, Kristoff (to lead the pack home)

WC: Stannard, Sagan

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Re: **SPOILERS 2016 Spring Classics Thread SPOILERS** [Power13] [ In reply to ]
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Can't wait for this one!!

Flanders:

GVA
Cancellara
Sagan

WC: Kwiatkowski, EBH
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Re: **SPOILERS 2016 Spring Classics Thread SPOILERS** [daveTDF] [ In reply to ]
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Cancellara
Saga
Sep

GVA

The entire event (IM) is like "death by 1000 cuts" and the best race is minimizing all those cuts and losing less blood than the other guy. - Dev
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Re: **SPOILERS 2016 Spring Classics Thread SPOILERS** [LuisDF] [ In reply to ]
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Sagan, Cancellara, Kwiatkowski

WC: Roelandts, Stybar
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Re: **SPOILERS 2016 Spring Classics Thread SPOILERS** [Power13] [ In reply to ]
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I think de Ronde turns out to be just a wee bit too long for Sagan....

FC, Kwiakowski, Kristoff (to lead the pack home)

WC: Stannard, Sagan

I'll go with this just on account of his success when I did NOT put him on the podium in my picks. I'd rather see him succeed than win this game. Clearly, this has a huge impact on his performance;)

FC
GvA
Kwiato

Sagan
Sep

I'm obviously hoping against all odds that Peto wins this anyway.
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Re: **SPOILERS 2016 Spring Classics Thread SPOILERS** [kollac] [ In reply to ]
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kollac wrote:
Power13 wrote:
I think de Ronde turns out to be just a wee bit too long for Sagan....

FC, Kwiakowski, Kristoff (to lead the pack home)

WC: Stannard, Sagan


I'll go with this just on account of his success when I did NOT put him on the podium in my picks. I'd rather see him succeed than win this game. Clearly, this has a huge impact on his performance;)

FC
GvA
Kwiato

Sagan
Sep

I'm obviously hoping against all odds that Peto wins this anyway.


You do have 3.5 point cushion over me. A lot of cushion to play with :p

Current rankings:

Kollac, 18.5
yours truly, 15
Carl Spackler, 13.5
AWC3 and McNulty tied at 13

The table is here. do check to make sure my tabulation is correct.
Last edited by: echappist: Mar 31, 16 8:30
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Re: **SPOILERS 2016 Spring Classics Thread SPOILERS** [McNulty] [ In reply to ]
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I like your pick. It's either going to be a great weekend for us or like Etixx's Northern Classics campaign.
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