The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid"

Sep 25, 22 5:54

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Today:
MVDP gets woken up a lot by teens being shits and tells them to fuck off. There either is, or isn't, a shove. MVDP arrested.

When I was a kid:
MVDP gets woken up a lot by teens being shits and tells them to fuck off. There either is, or isn't, a shove. The parents thank MVDP and take away whatever privileges they can as I grew up in a time you couldn't beat your teen at a hotel for bad behavior as they were too old. But if I was 10 or younger, a spankin was probably coming when I got home.

This is where I draw the line on "eurozone" or some modern takes on how society should handle these situations. There is zero proof of a shove, but we know 100% for sure these teens went to another person's room and harassed them. Where's the charges for that?

I think we're not getting it right. Yes, we're at the point we should be to make it clear to folks you can't assault people. But we're also at the point where we've made it OK for people to go around aggravating people to the point on purpose that you get an expected response.

So here we have zero proof of an assault and an arrested person, then on the other side folks who harassed the shit out of someone by going to their space to the point of altercation.....and nothing.

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [burnthesheep] [ In reply to ]

Sep 25, 22 6:05

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fucken kids.. likely teenagers not a beating. In my day and hood that shit wouldn't fly. It would be easy to find another kid to intimidate that kid, no questions asked.

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Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [burnthesheep] [ In reply to ]

Sep 25, 22 6:10

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Ask a public school teacher to give you some stories about kids and their parents these days.

The kids are never wrong.

"Human existence is based upon two pillars: Compassion and knowledge. Compassion without knowledge is ineffective; Knowledge without compassion is inhuman." Victor Weisskopf.

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [burnthesheep] [ In reply to ]

Sep 25, 22 6:10

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Blame the coddlers on the Left

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [burnthesheep] [ In reply to ]

Sep 25, 22 6:12

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Not that they didn’t deserve it, but the article I read said one of them had a skinned elbow or something. That would be proof of some sort of physical assault.

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [windywave] [ In reply to ]

Sep 25, 22 6:16

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windywave wrote:

Blame the coddlers on the Left

Here in Trump land (70% in our county voted for TFG in 2020), I got plenty of angry phone calls from the Bubbas and Karens on the Right, wanting to know why I was picking on little Arnold.

"Human existence is based upon two pillars: Compassion and knowledge. Compassion without knowledge is ineffective; Knowledge without compassion is inhuman." Victor Weisskopf.

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [windywave] [ In reply to ]

Sep 25, 22 6:17

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windywave wrote:

Blame the coddlers on the Left

Lazy parents doesn't follow a political ideology.

I could say parents on the right have the market cornered on smug abusive bully brat kids given it's who a lot of folks on the right idolize in politics these days.

Neither side "has it right" in totality for parenting.

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [torrey] [ In reply to ]

Sep 25, 22 6:23

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torrey wrote:

Not that they didn’t deserve it, but the article I read said one of them had a skinned elbow or something. That would be proof of some sort of physical assault.

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Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [Alvin Tostig] [ In reply to ]

Sep 25, 22 6:25

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Alvin Tostig wrote:

Ask a public school teacher to give you some stories about kids and their parents these days.

The kids are never wrong.

All are saints too. Parenting and pride. We have definitely lost something on the discipline side to parenting.

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [windywave] [ In reply to ]

Sep 25, 22 6:49

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windywave wrote:

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So if your kid was shoved by a pro athlete to the point of (allegedly) bleeding, you'd meekly walk away and take it out on your kid?

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Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [burnthesheep] [ In reply to ]

Sep 25, 22 7:01

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burnthesheep wrote:

But we're also at the point where we've made it OK for people to go around aggravating people to the point on purpose that you get an expected response.

So here we have zero proof of an assault and an arrested person, then on the other side folks who harassed the shit out of someone by going to their space to the point of altercation.....and nothing.

Point me to the era when teenagers *didn't* go out at night and do freaking obnoxious things. That's what kids have always done, and will always do. What "charges" do you want for a 13 and 14 year old for "knock and run?" That's crazy.

And point me to an era when it was OK for a male pro athlete to (allegedly) touch someone else's teenage girls in anger. He (allegedly) pushed a 13 and 14 y.o. to the ground, with one "grazing" her elbow. You can't do that. I'm nearly 50, and I can't remember any era where it was OK to (allegedly) push little girls to the ground. MdVP might be lucky the wrong Australian parent wasn't there to go after him.

" to the point of altercation"

That's 100% on MdVP. He'd have had plenty of options. Hotel management, large Dutch team staff, police. He lost his cool, unfortunately.

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Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [trail] [ In reply to ]

Sep 25, 22 7:08

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trail wrote:

windywave wrote:

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So if your kid was shoved by a pro athlete to the point of (allegedly) bleeding, you'd meekly walk away and take it out on your kid?

Headline: Grown man assaults 7th grade girls in hotel hallway at 10:40 pm.

Girls beaten by their parents because liberals are bad.

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [trail] [ In reply to ]

Sep 25, 22 9:21

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trail wrote:

windywave wrote:

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So if your kid was shoved by a pro athlete to the point of (allegedly) bleeding, you'd meekly walk away and take it out on your kid?

Have we ruled out the possibility that the injured teenager pulled a “Neymar” (aka diving or throwing oneself on the floor) or that MvdP closed the door in the injured’s face, resulting in the injured’s fall?

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [echappist] [ In reply to ]

Sep 25, 22 9:27

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Nothing has been ruled out. He denied shoving them and it is possible they tripped when running away.

Also I find it funny when people refer to him as a professional athlete as if to bring up an image a hulking monster of a man. I know he isn’t a featherweight climber, but still.

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [torrey] [ In reply to ]

Sep 25, 22 9:31

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Also, has it been ascertained that both teenagers were guests of the hotel? That part was also not mentioned in the initial reports.

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [windywave] [ In reply to ]

Sep 25, 22 9:43

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windywave wrote:

Blame the coddlers on the Left

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [torrey] [ In reply to ]

Sep 25, 22 9:43

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torrey wrote:

Nothing has been ruled out. He denied shoving them and it is possible they tripped when running away.

I'm wondering if this could have been the case as well. He potential runs after them, possibly tries to grab one if them to keep them from getting away and they fall. Right now it's purely a he-said she-said ordeal.

What I do think is pretty clear is the hotel management did a shit job. You've got a bunch of world class athletes that travel halfway across the world for the world championships and you've got a couple dumbass teenagers running around disturbing them

Matt

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [echappist] [ In reply to ]

Sep 25, 22 10:27

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echappist wrote:

trail wrote:

windywave wrote:

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So if your kid was shoved by a pro athlete to the point of (allegedly) bleeding, you'd meekly walk away and take it out on your kid?

Have we ruled out the possibility that the injured teenager pulled a “Neymar” (aka diving or throwing oneself on the floor) or that MvdP closed the door in the injured’s face, resulting in the injured’s fall?

This.

Again, I have issue with a he said she said arrest when the people who might have taken a dive are the ones that were out looking for trouble.

If the teens were not guests, criminal trespass in a hotel they aren’t staying (no idea of Australia).

I guess my point is that these days nobody puts any moral obligation on the instigators. Just the person who lashed out, supposedly.

Part of this one also almost doesn’t sound random to me. Like, what are the freaking chances it was MVDP’s door each time? One in how many rooms per floor? Another team set it up to ruin his sleep and it exploded to an unexpected thing?

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [echappist] [ In reply to ]

Sep 25, 22 10:29

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echappist wrote:

Have we ruled out the possibility that the injured teenager pulled a “Neymar” (aka diving or throwing oneself on the floor) or that MvdP closed the door in the injured’s face, resulting in the injured’s fall?

Certainly still a possibility. I used "allegedly" before every description in the hope that this is all childish embellishment that will be quickly cleared up in MvdP's favor.

Such a shame that MdVP wasn't out there as another animating factor.

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [burnthesheep] [ In reply to ]

Sep 25, 22 10:34

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When I was a kid, it never gets to a shove

First, there's "Shut the fuck up" then there's "I'll sign something for you, if you just shut the fuck up"

After that, Hotel Security gets a call, then someone's mom gets a call to come pick everyone up

"What's your claim?" - Ben Gravy
"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [trail] [ In reply to ]

Sep 25, 22 10:41

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trail wrote:

echappist wrote:

Have we ruled out the possibility that the injured teenager pulled a “Neymar” (aka diving or throwing oneself on the floor) or that MvdP closed the door in the injured’s face, resulting in the injured’s fall?

Certainly still a possibility. I used "allegedly" before every description in the hope that this is all childish embellishment that will be quickly cleared up in MvdP's favor.

Such a shame that MdVP wasn't out there as another animating factor.

If he indeed had a cold (the reason given for his room being located away from rooms of others on the team), I doubt even he could have done any animating

Then again, the hare-brained riding by a lot of the big teams probably went a long way to ensuring the race playing out in the manner it did...

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Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [trail] [ In reply to ]

Sep 25, 22 11:07

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trail wrote:

windywave wrote:

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So if your kid was shoved by a pro athlete to the point of (allegedly) bleeding, you'd meekly walk away and take it out on your kid?

Was my kid being a little motherfucker and doing something he should not have been doing? If that was the case, he’d have more than a skinned elbow.

clm
Nashville, TN
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Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [Chemist] [ In reply to ]

Sep 25, 22 11:08

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Chemist wrote:

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I'm wondering if this could have been the case as well. He potential runs after them, possibly tries to grab one if them to keep them from getting away and they fall. Right now it's purely a he-said she-said ordeal.

surely there's security tape of the hallway? I've seen that movie a hundred times . . .

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [ironclm] [ In reply to ]

Sep 25, 22 11:10

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ironclm wrote:

Was my kid being a little motherfucker and doing something he should not have been doing? If that was the case, he’d have more than a skinned elbow.

I hope that's sarcasm!

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [trail] [ In reply to ]

Sep 25, 22 11:18

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trail wrote:

windywave wrote:

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So if your kid was shoved by a pro athlete to the point of (allegedly) bleeding, you'd meekly walk away and take it out on your kid?

If they were harassing him in middle of night, yes.

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [ruby1] [ In reply to ]

Sep 25, 22 11:22

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ruby1 wrote:

If they were harassing him in middle of night, yes.

Stern talking to, sure. But I'd never physically assault any 13/14 year old. Ever

And "knock and run" is soooo lightweight on the scale of teen mischief. Not even flaming poo bag level

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Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [trail] [ In reply to ]

Sep 25, 22 12:30

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trail wrote:

ruby1 wrote:

If they were harassing him in middle of night, yes.

Stern talking to, sure. But I'd never physically assault any 13/14 year old. Ever

And "knock and run" is soooo lightweight on the scale of teen mischief. Not even flaming poo bag level

I want to preface this by saying we know each other outside the context of LR and I often find your takes on many issues to be cogent and fair

Having said that, I think you are downplaying the actions of the teenagers. Yeah, the alleged nuisance is seemingly trivial, but assuming the teenagers did indeed repeatedly rang doorbell at that hour, it's still battery, albeit a low level one.

I don't think it's fair to characterize what MvdP as alleged common assault without applying the same level of scrutiny on the teenagers. The age is irrelevant in determining whether the act is battery (age's only relevance being the level of punishment would be less than what an adult would receive), but it does not negate the fact that the nuisance (if true) is low level battery.

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Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [echappist] [ In reply to ]

Sep 25, 22 12:41

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I believe battery involves some sort of bodily contact? Which could have happened after the door opened. But I think the charges for "knock and leave" would, at the most, be "misdemeanor mischief" (or variant depending on the legal definitions of the area)...at the very extreme end "harassment."

I imagine it's rare for that to ever be charged in situations like this. I think normal practice would be to hold and then release to parents.

I'm not sure a 13/14 y.o. would fully understand how important this night is for MdVP.

If the kids have the last name "Matthews" we could be in for some drama. ;)

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [trail] [ In reply to ]

Sep 25, 22 12:52

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trail wrote:

I'm not sure a 13/14 y.o. would fully understand how important this night is for MdVP.

i'm not sure that's relevant. Knocking repeatedly on a hotel door at 10:30 and later is a blatant invasion of privacy.

why he didn't call security immediately (or security didn't flag it in action) I don't get, his mistake.

to the original question, i wonder if the kids did catch hell once the whole story unfolded.

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [trail] [ In reply to ]

Sep 25, 22 13:00

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Opps, my bad. I (NAL) somehow recall reading that bodily contact is not necessary for battery to have occurred.

In any case, I think the issue I wanted to make is that the mischief of the teenagers may very well rise above the level of simple harassment, for it was more than just a mere property-related and concerns causing intentional distress upon others.

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [echappist] [ In reply to ]

Sep 25, 22 13:06

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Yeah l, didn't mean to overly downplay it. I had the exact same thing happen to me as a coach before a far less serious competition, and it absolutely sucks.

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [trail] [ In reply to ]

Sep 25, 22 16:08

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I believe the battery is the inflection of physical harm. Assault is the possibility of physical harm.

You can assault without battery but you can’t battery without assault. Battery is completed assault.

clm
Nashville, TN
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Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [ironclm] [ In reply to ]

Sep 25, 22 16:15

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ironclm wrote:

I believe the battery is the inflection of physical harm. Assault is the possibility of physical harm.

You can assault without battery but you can’t battery without assault. Battery is completed assault.

Assault is the apprehension or fear of contact

And you can batter someone without assaulting them

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [windywave] [ In reply to ]

Sep 25, 22 18:38

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windywave wrote:

ironclm wrote:

I believe the battery is the inflection of physical harm. Assault is the possibility of physical harm.

You can assault without battery but you can’t battery without assault. Battery is completed assault.

Assault is the apprehension or fear of contact

And you can batter someone without assaulting them

Is that still true in Australia??? Remember we're talking their rules/laws.

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [velocomp] [ In reply to ]

Sep 25, 22 18:41

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velocomp wrote:

windywave wrote:

ironclm wrote:

I believe the battery is the inflection of physical harm. Assault is the possibility of physical harm.

You can assault without battery but you can’t battery without assault. Battery is completed assault.

Assault is the apprehension or fear of contact

And you can batter someone without assaulting them

Is that still true in Australia??? Remember we're talking their rules/laws.

That's common law definition of which their laws are derived .... so in principle I'd imagine yesish

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [windywave] [ In reply to ]

Sep 25, 22 19:17

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windywave wrote:

velocomp wrote:

windywave wrote:

ironclm wrote:

I believe the battery is the inflection of physical harm. Assault is the possibility of physical harm.

You can assault without battery but you can’t battery without assault. Battery is completed assault.

Assault is the apprehension or fear of contact

And you can batter someone without assaulting them

Is that still true in Australia??? Remember we're talking their rules/laws.

That's common law definition of which their laws are derived .... so in principle I'd imagine yesish

Screaming at a kid and shoving them is common assault, absent some defense (which is not obvious here).

https://www.acfl.com.au/common-assault/

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [trail] [ In reply to ]

Sep 26, 22 4:08

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trail wrote:

ruby1 wrote:

If they were harassing him in middle of night, yes.

Stern talking to, sure. But I'd never physically assault any 13/14 year old. Ever

And "knock and run" is soooo lightweight on the scale of teen mischief. Not even flaming poo bag level

If it were my kids doing this, I'd file it under "fucked around and found out", and tell them they were lucky they got off with just a skinned elbow or whatever it was, and call it a teaching moment.

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [burnthesheep] [ In reply to ]

Sep 26, 22 4:49

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Is anyone else finding the whole saga a little bizarre?
I am keeping in mind there are two sides to every story, and the truth is somewhere amongst that.
I have read some nasty stuff on twitter about this, which is hard to know whether what we are hearing from MvDP is the most accurate representation of the events, or it’s just a troll making stuff up. I won’t repeat it on here but it did make me question the events as they unfolded.
My kids would be severely punished if I found out they were doing something like this. Seems like an absolutely feral thing to be doing at that time of night in a hotel. They were guests. Where were the parents?
Was a great week of racing. A shame it’s stories like this that get more coverage.

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [Amnesia] [ In reply to ]

Sep 26, 22 4:52

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Amnesia wrote:

Is anyone else finding the whole saga a little bizarre?
I am keeping in mind there are two sides to every story, and the truth is somewhere amongst that.
I have read some nasty stuff on twitter about this, which is hard to know whether what we are hearing from MvDP is the most accurate representation of the events, or it’s just a troll making stuff up. I won’t repeat it on here but it did make me question the events as they unfolded.
My kids would be severely punished if I found out they were doing something like this. Seems like an absolutely feral thing to be doing at that time of night in a hotel. They were guests. Where were the parents?
Was a great week of racing. A shame it’s stories like this that get more coverage.

Yes bizarre, I haven't even read a proper story on it since cyclingnews puts most things behind a paywall now.

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [ThisIsIt] [ In reply to ]

Sep 26, 22 5:06

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https://www.velonews.com/...ercation-and-arrest/
After CyclingNews put up their paywall I moved to VeloNews

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [ThisIsIt] [ In reply to ]

Sep 26, 22 5:07

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ThisIsIt wrote:

Amnesia wrote:

Is anyone else finding the whole saga a little bizarre?
I am keeping in mind there are two sides to every story, and the truth is somewhere amongst that.
I have read some nasty stuff on twitter about this, which is hard to know whether what we are hearing from MvDP is the most accurate representation of the events, or it’s just a troll making stuff up. I won’t repeat it on here but it did make me question the events as they unfolded.
My kids would be severely punished if I found out they were doing something like this. Seems like an absolutely feral thing to be doing at that time of night in a hotel. They were guests. Where were the parents?
Was a great week of racing. A shame it’s stories like this that get more coverage.

Yes bizarre, I haven't even read a proper story on it since cyclingnews puts most things behind a paywall now.

There was a thread on twitter, with a new user chiming in saying they were there, have it on film etc. Hard to know if it was just a troll etc or for real. There has been a reasonable amount of coverage over here about it, non paywall stuff.

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [Amnesia] [ In reply to ]

Sep 26, 22 5:14

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Amnesia wrote:

ThisIsIt wrote:

Amnesia wrote:

Is anyone else finding the whole saga a little bizarre?
I am keeping in mind there are two sides to every story, and the truth is somewhere amongst that.
I have read some nasty stuff on twitter about this, which is hard to know whether what we are hearing from MvDP is the most accurate representation of the events, or it’s just a troll making stuff up. I won’t repeat it on here but it did make me question the events as they unfolded.
My kids would be severely punished if I found out they were doing something like this. Seems like an absolutely feral thing to be doing at that time of night in a hotel. They were guests. Where were the parents?
Was a great week of racing. A shame it’s stories like this that get more coverage.

Yes bizarre, I haven't even read a proper story on it since cyclingnews puts most things behind a paywall now.

There was a thread on twitter, with a new user chiming in saying they were there, have it on film etc. Hard to know if it was just a troll etc or for real. There has been a reasonable amount of coverage over here about it, non paywall stuff.

Why were the girls knocking on his door?

And what's going on over there, 14 year old boys are often enough shitheads, but girls doing this?

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [Amnesia] [ In reply to ]

Sep 26, 22 5:17

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Was the hotel notified? If that happened to me, the first thing I would do is complain to the hotel. The hotel should be able to handle something so simple, after all there are much worse things that could happen. It could have been a thief or a rapist. They should be able to get on top of it very quickly.

Aren't there usually cameras in hotel hallways? There shouldn't be random people walking around the hallways causing mischief.

And how stupid is it to have kids running around at night, especially girls, banging on people's doors. Anything could happen. A lot worse than being pushed or yelled at.

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Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [ThisIsIt] [ In reply to ]

Sep 26, 22 5:20

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ThisIsIt wrote:

Amnesia wrote:

ThisIsIt wrote:

Amnesia wrote:

Is anyone else finding the whole saga a little bizarre?
I am keeping in mind there are two sides to every story, and the truth is somewhere amongst that.
I have read some nasty stuff on twitter about this, which is hard to know whether what we are hearing from MvDP is the most accurate representation of the events, or it’s just a troll making stuff up. I won’t repeat it on here but it did make me question the events as they unfolded.
My kids would be severely punished if I found out they were doing something like this. Seems like an absolutely feral thing to be doing at that time of night in a hotel. They were guests. Where were the parents?
Was a great week of racing. A shame it’s stories like this that get more coverage.

Yes bizarre, I haven't even read a proper story on it since cyclingnews puts most things behind a paywall now.

There was a thread on twitter, with a new user chiming in saying they were there, have it on film etc. Hard to know if it was just a troll etc or for real. There has been a reasonable amount of coverage over here about it, non paywall stuff.

Why were the girls knocking on his door?

And what's going on over there, 14 year old boys are often enough shitheads, but girls doing this?

Honestly just seems like a prank taken too far, kids being annoying. Knocking/ringing the bell then running. He said they did it 3 times, they said once. Not sure if its a thing elsewhere, but is a pretty "common" stupid prank. Happened to us at our house for a while until we found the little shi$t head doing it and told his parents.

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [Amnesia] [ In reply to ]

Sep 26, 22 5:28

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Amnesia wrote:

ThisIsIt wrote:

Amnesia wrote:

ThisIsIt wrote:

Amnesia wrote:

Is anyone else finding the whole saga a little bizarre?
I am keeping in mind there are two sides to every story, and the truth is somewhere amongst that.
I have read some nasty stuff on twitter about this, which is hard to know whether what we are hearing from MvDP is the most accurate representation of the events, or it’s just a troll making stuff up. I won’t repeat it on here but it did make me question the events as they unfolded.
My kids would be severely punished if I found out they were doing something like this. Seems like an absolutely feral thing to be doing at that time of night in a hotel. They were guests. Where were the parents?
Was a great week of racing. A shame it’s stories like this that get more coverage.

Yes bizarre, I haven't even read a proper story on it since cyclingnews puts most things behind a paywall now.

There was a thread on twitter, with a new user chiming in saying they were there, have it on film etc. Hard to know if it was just a troll etc or for real. There has been a reasonable amount of coverage over here about it, non paywall stuff.

Why were the girls knocking on his door?

And what's going on over there, 14 year old boys are often enough shitheads, but girls doing this?

Honestly just seems like a prank taken too far, kids being annoying. Knocking/ringing the bell then running. He said they did it 3 times, they said once. Not sure if its a thing elsewhere, but is a pretty "common" stupid prank. Happened to us at our house for a while until we found the little shi$t head doing it and told his parents.

Yes, common enough, just seems like it would be far more likely to be boys than girls doing it.

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [FishyJoe] [ In reply to ]

Sep 26, 22 5:31

Post #46 of 98 Views: 786

FishyJoe wrote:

Was the hotel notified? If that happened to me, the first thing I would do is complain to the hotel. The hotel should be able to handle something so simple, after all there are much worse things that could happen. It could have been a thief or a rapist. They should be able to get on top of it very quickly.

Aren't there usually cameras in hotel hallways? There shouldn't be random people walking around the hallways causing mischief.

And how stupid is it to have kids running around at night, especially girls, banging on people's doors. Anything could happen. A lot worse than being pushed or yelled at.

That seems to be the great mystery, Moerenhout the Dutch team director seems baffled as to why he didn't call them or the hotel.

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [torrey] [ In reply to ]

Sep 26, 22 8:43

Post #47 of 98 Views: 719

For those of you who don't want to pay $8.01/month for Cycling News, the following comment, query, and reply from yesterday's report gave me a chuckle.

I had the same problem in college every Saturday night trying to sleep early in my fraternity house before a big Sunday race. . , cherry bombs going off in the hallways, floors flooded from fights with opposing fraternity, music blasting , people puking

And what happened?

I would turn off my music and stop throwing cherry bombs.....
;)

"Human existence is based upon two pillars: Compassion and knowledge. Compassion without knowledge is ineffective; Knowledge without compassion is inhuman." Victor Weisskopf.

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Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [ThisIsIt] [ In reply to ]

Sep 26, 22 9:05

Post #48 of 98 Views: 699

ThisIsIt wrote:

Amnesia wrote:

ThisIsIt wrote:

Amnesia wrote:

ThisIsIt wrote:

Amnesia wrote:

Is anyone else finding the whole saga a little bizarre?
I am keeping in mind there are two sides to every story, and the truth is somewhere amongst that.
I have read some nasty stuff on twitter about this, which is hard to know whether what we are hearing from MvDP is the most accurate representation of the events, or it’s just a troll making stuff up. I won’t repeat it on here but it did make me question the events as they unfolded.
My kids would be severely punished if I found out they were doing something like this. Seems like an absolutely feral thing to be doing at that time of night in a hotel. They were guests. Where were the parents?
Was a great week of racing. A shame it’s stories like this that get more coverage.

Yes bizarre, I haven't even read a proper story on it since cyclingnews puts most things behind a paywall now.

There was a thread on twitter, with a new user chiming in saying they were there, have it on film etc. Hard to know if it was just a troll etc or for real. There has been a reasonable amount of coverage over here about it, non paywall stuff.

Why were the girls knocking on his door?

And what's going on over there, 14 year old boys are often enough shitheads, but girls doing this?

Honestly just seems like a prank taken too far, kids being annoying. Knocking/ringing the bell then running. He said they did it 3 times, they said once. Not sure if its a thing elsewhere, but is a pretty "common" stupid prank. Happened to us at our house for a while until we found the little shi$t head doing it and told his parents.

Yes, common enough, just seems like it would be far more likely to be boys than girls doing it.

I don't know that I can assume anyone was actually knocking on his door as a prank. It sounds more like random noise pissed him off. And his comments don't really seem to be claiming he was at all justified. There is more to this story.

I find it interesting that everyone is assuming these two girls were banging on his door to make him mad and that he just couldn't take it any more and made a last ditch effort to defend his room against the barbarian invaders.

That just doesn't make sense.

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [j p o] [ In reply to ]

Sep 26, 22 9:09

Post #49 of 98 Views: 694

j p o wrote:

ThisIsIt wrote:

Amnesia wrote:

ThisIsIt wrote:

Amnesia wrote:

ThisIsIt wrote:

Amnesia wrote:

Is anyone else finding the whole saga a little bizarre?
I am keeping in mind there are two sides to every story, and the truth is somewhere amongst that.
I have read some nasty stuff on twitter about this, which is hard to know whether what we are hearing from MvDP is the most accurate representation of the events, or it’s just a troll making stuff up. I won’t repeat it on here but it did make me question the events as they unfolded.
My kids would be severely punished if I found out they were doing something like this. Seems like an absolutely feral thing to be doing at that time of night in a hotel. They were guests. Where were the parents?
Was a great week of racing. A shame it’s stories like this that get more coverage.

Yes bizarre, I haven't even read a proper story on it since cyclingnews puts most things behind a paywall now.

There was a thread on twitter, with a new user chiming in saying they were there, have it on film etc. Hard to know if it was just a troll etc or for real. There has been a reasonable amount of coverage over here about it, non paywall stuff.

Why were the girls knocking on his door?

And what's going on over there, 14 year old boys are often enough shitheads, but girls doing this?

Honestly just seems like a prank taken too far, kids being annoying. Knocking/ringing the bell then running. He said they did it 3 times, they said once. Not sure if its a thing elsewhere, but is a pretty "common" stupid prank. Happened to us at our house for a while until we found the little shi$t head doing it and told his parents.

Yes, common enough, just seems like it would be far more likely to be boys than girls doing it.

I don't know that I can assume anyone was actually knocking on his door as a prank. It sounds more like random noise pissed him off. And his comments don't really seem to be claiming he was at all justified. There is more to this story.

I find it interesting that everyone is assuming these two girls were banging on his door to make him mad and that he just couldn't take it any more and made a last ditch effort to defend his room against the barbarian invaders.

That just doesn't make sense.

The Velonews story says they were knocking on his door throughout the night. I suppose it could be incorrect but that's what the story says.

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [ThisIsIt] [ In reply to ]

Sep 26, 22 9:31

Post #50 of 98 Views: 678

ThisIsIt wrote:

j p o wrote:

ThisIsIt wrote:

Amnesia wrote:

ThisIsIt wrote:

Amnesia wrote:

ThisIsIt wrote:

Amnesia wrote:

Is anyone else finding the whole saga a little bizarre?
I am keeping in mind there are two sides to every story, and the truth is somewhere amongst that.
I have read some nasty stuff on twitter about this, which is hard to know whether what we are hearing from MvDP is the most accurate representation of the events, or it’s just a troll making stuff up. I won’t repeat it on here but it did make me question the events as they unfolded.
My kids would be severely punished if I found out they were doing something like this. Seems like an absolutely feral thing to be doing at that time of night in a hotel. They were guests. Where were the parents?
Was a great week of racing. A shame it’s stories like this that get more coverage.

Yes bizarre, I haven't even read a proper story on it since cyclingnews puts most things behind a paywall now.

There was a thread on twitter, with a new user chiming in saying they were there, have it on film etc. Hard to know if it was just a troll etc or for real. There has been a reasonable amount of coverage over here about it, non paywall stuff.

Why were the girls knocking on his door?

And what's going on over there, 14 year old boys are often enough shitheads, but girls doing this?

Honestly just seems like a prank taken too far, kids being annoying. Knocking/ringing the bell then running. He said they did it 3 times, they said once. Not sure if its a thing elsewhere, but is a pretty "common" stupid prank. Happened to us at our house for a while until we found the little shi$t head doing it and told his parents.

Yes, common enough, just seems like it would be far more likely to be boys than girls doing it.

I don't know that I can assume anyone was actually knocking on his door as a prank. It sounds more like random noise pissed him off. And his comments don't really seem to be claiming he was at all justified. There is more to this story.

I find it interesting that everyone is assuming these two girls were banging on his door to make him mad and that he just couldn't take it any more and made a last ditch effort to defend his room against the barbarian invaders.

That just doesn't make sense.

The Velonews story says they were knocking on his door throughout the night. I suppose it could be incorrect but that's what the story says.

They are reporting what he has said. And "throughout the night" is not exactly how I would put it since this happened at 10:40.

I'm not saying there wasn't a lot of noise or that I wouldn't be irritated. But I'm not sure shoving 7th grade girls is ever going to be the right way to handle it.

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [j p o] [ In reply to ]

Sep 26, 22 9:51

Post #51 of 98 Views: 935

As far as noise goes, today's active noise cancelling headphones are amazing. There can be a party in the next room and barely be able to hear it, especially if you have some light music or white noise playing. I can't imagine any traveler not having a good pair of ANC headphones or earbuds.

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [j p o] [ In reply to ]

Sep 26, 22 9:58

Post #52 of 98 Views: 926

j p o wrote:

ThisIsIt wrote:

j p o wrote:

ThisIsIt wrote:

Amnesia wrote:

ThisIsIt wrote:

Amnesia wrote:

ThisIsIt wrote:

Amnesia wrote:

Is anyone else finding the whole saga a little bizarre?
I am keeping in mind there are two sides to every story, and the truth is somewhere amongst that.
I have read some nasty stuff on twitter about this, which is hard to know whether what we are hearing from MvDP is the most accurate representation of the events, or it’s just a troll making stuff up. I won’t repeat it on here but it did make me question the events as they unfolded.
My kids would be severely punished if I found out they were doing something like this. Seems like an absolutely feral thing to be doing at that time of night in a hotel. They were guests. Where were the parents?
Was a great week of racing. A shame it’s stories like this that get more coverage.

Yes bizarre, I haven't even read a proper story on it since cyclingnews puts most things behind a paywall now.

There was a thread on twitter, with a new user chiming in saying they were there, have it on film etc. Hard to know if it was just a troll etc or for real. There has been a reasonable amount of coverage over here about it, non paywall stuff.

Why were the girls knocking on his door?

And what's going on over there, 14 year old boys are often enough shitheads, but girls doing this?

Honestly just seems like a prank taken too far, kids being annoying. Knocking/ringing the bell then running. He said they did it 3 times, they said once. Not sure if its a thing elsewhere, but is a pretty "common" stupid prank. Happened to us at our house for a while until we found the little shi$t head doing it and told his parents.

Yes, common enough, just seems like it would be far more likely to be boys than girls doing it.

I don't know that I can assume anyone was actually knocking on his door as a prank. It sounds more like random noise pissed him off. And his comments don't really seem to be claiming he was at all justified. There is more to this story.

I find it interesting that everyone is assuming these two girls were banging on his door to make him mad and that he just couldn't take it any more and made a last ditch effort to defend his room against the barbarian invaders.

That just doesn't make sense.

The Velonews story says they were knocking on his door throughout the night. I suppose it could be incorrect but that's what the story says.

They are reporting what he has said. And "throughout the night" is not exactly how I would put it since this happened at 10:40.

I'm not saying there wasn't a lot of noise or that I wouldn't be irritated. But I'm not sure shoving 7th grade girls is ever going to be the right way to handle it.

It's never going to be the right way to handle it.

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [ThisIsIt] [ In reply to ]

Sep 26, 22 10:00

Post #53 of 98 Views: 926

ThisIsIt wrote:

Why were the girls knocking on his door?

And what's going on over there, 14 year old boys are often enough shitheads, but girls doing this?

Perhaps they were Fangirls looking for Annemiek's room?

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Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [j p o] [ In reply to ]

Sep 26, 22 10:02

Post #54 of 98 Views: 923

j p o wrote:

I don't know that I can assume anyone was actually knocking on his door as a prank. It sounds more like random noise pissed him off. And his comments don't really seem to be claiming he was at all justified. There is more to this story.

I find it interesting that everyone is assuming these two girls were banging on his door to make him mad and that he just couldn't take it any more and made a last ditch effort to defend his room against the barbarian invaders.

That just doesn't make sense.

For whatever it's worth, there's this short video making the rounds. I donno if it's authenticated (can't get any metadata out of it), but if legit, it would suggest the teenagers knew whom their target is...

https://youtube.com/...nxE0zw?feature=share

As for the broader phenomena of teenagers knocking doors, whatever that garners attention for them, especially if the attention is in the form of ticktock clicks and likes

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [echappist] [ In reply to ]

Sep 26, 22 10:09

Post #55 of 98 Views: 913

???? Did he run out and grab the phone? Heard squeals.

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [kiki] [ In reply to ]

Sep 26, 22 10:17

Post #56 of 98 Views: 906

No idea. Can't even tell if it was indeed MvdP, though my suspicion is it was.

The teenager filming might have dropped the phone once she realized that the tiger getting poked might actually fight back...

Still, if someone is able to figure out when that account (with username "hey") was created and when the video was uploaded (and perhaps created), that might answer a few more questions.

Ultimately, I'm still waiting for the security footage to come out, but the video does show that it should be quite believable that teenagers would knock on doors (or hotels or apartments) in order to harass the residents, and film all of that.

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [kiki] [ In reply to ]

Sep 26, 22 10:22

Post #57 of 98 Views: 899

kiki wrote:

???? Did he run out and grab the phone? Heard squeals.

Isn't that just habitual for 14 year old girls?

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [echappist] [ In reply to ]

Sep 26, 22 10:25

Post #58 of 98 Views: 894

agreed, it does look like tiktok/whatever karma bait. If they knew who he was, more virality.

*if* he did go for the phone, i understand the impulse (but of course don't condone it). if that's what the scenario was, if there's no phone, there's no payout

all conjecture of course

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [kiki] [ In reply to ]

Sep 26, 22 18:46

Post #59 of 98 Views: 839

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/...o-teenage-girls.html

This story, even though from a tabloid type news outlet, seems to fit with the various versions that are out there.

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [FishyJoe] [ In reply to ]

Sep 26, 22 19:12

Post #60 of 98 Views: 830

FishyJoe wrote:

As far as noise goes, today's active noise cancelling headphones are amazing. There can be a party in the next room and barely be able to hear it, especially if you have some light music or white noise playing. I can't imagine any traveler not having a good pair of ANC headphones or earbuds.

I have these $400 Sony ones which are insane. My neighbours had a party with loud music and I could literally hear nothing after putting them on.

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [trail] [ In reply to ]

Sep 26, 22 19:36

Post #61 of 98 Views: 836

trail wrote:

windywave wrote:

Eyeroll emoji

So if your kid was shoved by a pro athlete to the point of (allegedly) bleeding, you'd meekly walk away and take it out on your kid?

If my kids did a relatively innocent prank and he over-reacted, resorting to violence, no, I wouldn't walk away, it would be game on. If my kids went past the innocent pranking and were being complete cunts, then yeah, they probably got what they deserved and more importantly, learned a valuable life lesson.

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [trail] [ In reply to ]

Sep 26, 22 19:44

Post #62 of 98 Views: 831

trail wrote:

Point me to the era when teenagers *didn't* go out at night and do freaking obnoxious things. That's what kids have always done, and will always do. What "charges" do you want for a 13 and 14 year old for "knock and run?" That's crazy.

And point me to an era when it was OK for a male pro athlete to (allegedly) touch someone else's teenage girls in anger. He (allegedly) pushed a 13 and 14 y.o. to the ground, with one "grazing" her elbow. You can't do that. I'm nearly 50, and I can't remember any era where it was OK to (allegedly) push little girls to the ground. MdVP might be lucky the wrong Australian parent wasn't there to go after him.

" to the point of altercation"

That's 100% on MdVP. He'd have had plenty of options. Hotel management, large Dutch team staff, police. He lost his cool, unfortunately.

Yeah we were little shits growing up, but we also knew we had to be accountable and that there were consequences if caught e.g getting our arses kicked. Kids are no different today, except they know they can get away with a lot more. Plus thanks to social media and this trend for embarrassing/humiliating/attacking strangers and filming it, this kind of behaviour is on the increase. Smack an adult in the face with a cream-pie, film it, get thousands of likes and earn $$... what's the adult going to do, report a teeanger for getting a pie in the face? He'll be laughed out the police station.

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [FishyJoe] [ In reply to ]

Sep 26, 22 20:11

Post #63 of 98 Views: 825

FishyJoe wrote:

As far as noise goes, today's active noise cancelling headphones are amazing. There can be a party in the next room and barely be able to hear it, especially if you have some light music or white noise playing. I can't imagine any traveler not having a good pair of ANC headphones or earbuds.

Yet they won’t block out my wife’s snoring.

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [Chemist] [ In reply to ]

Sep 26, 22 21:36

Post #64 of 98 Views: 811

Chemist wrote:

torrey wrote:

Nothing has been ruled out. He denied shoving them and it is possible they tripped when running away.

I'm wondering if this could have been the case as well. He potential runs after them, possibly tries to grab one if them to keep them from getting away and they fall. Right now it's purely a he-said she-said ordeal.

What I do think is pretty clear is the hotel management did a shit job. You've got a bunch of world class athletes that travel halfway across the world for the world championships and you've got a couple dumbass teenagers running around disturbing them

or you could say it was the fault of the Dutch team mangers. The team has people who should be able to handle this kind of stuff in the even that the hotel F's up.

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [RogerC39] [ In reply to ]

Sep 27, 22 0:25

Post #65 of 98 Views: 783

RogerC39 wrote:

Yet they won’t block out my wife’s snoring.

you need to double up. Custom or moldable silicone earplugs, then a bluetooth sleep headband playing white noise. This is my go to in close quarters.

sadly i could never manage to sleep with bulky noise cancelling headphones, but they work great during the day.

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [kiki] [ In reply to ]

Sep 27, 22 14:12

Post #66 of 98 Views: 697

Oh boy, shockingly bad judgment on the part of MvdP, who apparently chased the girls into their room (a third sibling was also present)

Otoh, from the same article, these two girls have pulled similar stunts before, and their parents are aware of it.

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [echappist] [ In reply to ]

Sep 27, 22 14:23

Post #67 of 98 Views: 683

echappist wrote:

Oh boy, shockingly bad judgment on the part of MvdP, who apparently chased the girls into their room (a third sibling was also present)

Otoh, from the same article, these two girls have pulled similar stunts before, and their parents are aware of it.

For 3 hours? Those are two proper little shits. I'd throttle my kids if I found out they were doing that kind of stuff.
He handled it in about the worst possible way, but judging by the parents reactions no wonder they have kids that behave like that.

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [echappist] [ In reply to ]

Sep 27, 22 14:29

Post #68 of 98 Views: 672

Quote:

VeloNews has seen one of the videos, which lasts less than 10 seconds, and appears to briefly show a man in his underwear chasing two girls in a hotel corridor.

That never ends well.

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Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [ThisIsIt] [ In reply to ]

Sep 27, 22 14:30

Post #69 of 98 Views: 670

ThisIsIt wrote:

echappist wrote:

Oh boy, shockingly bad judgment on the part of MvdP, who apparently chased the girls into their room (a third sibling was also present)

Otoh, from the same article, these two girls have pulled similar stunts before, and their parents are aware of it.

For 3 hours? Those are two proper little shits. I'd throttle my kids if I found out they were doing that kind of stuff.
He handled it in about the worst possible way, but judging by the parents reactions no wonder they have kids that behave like that.

The best part is that MVDP chased after them in his underwear. Totally relatable. I lose my cool when my kids make too much noise after I’ve gone to bed.

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [ThisIsIt] [ In reply to ]

Sep 27, 22 15:24

Post #70 of 98 Views: 643

ThisIsIt wrote:

For 3 hours? .

That may be a bit of hyperbole. Or else those two girls have remarkable focus and persistence, playing the long game. Like at random intervals between 10 and 40 minutes. I could see that being maddening.

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]

Sep 27, 22 17:00

Post #71 of 98 Views: 621

The GMAN wrote:

Quote:

VeloNews has seen one of the videos, which lasts less than 10 seconds, and appears to briefly show a man in his underwear chasing two girls in a hotel corridor.

That never ends well.

It is a sentence you never want to see written about yourself.

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [j p o] [ In reply to ]

Sep 27, 22 17:18

Post #72 of 98 Views: 611

j p o wrote:

The GMAN wrote:

Quote:

VeloNews has seen one of the videos, which lasts less than 10 seconds, and appears to briefly show a man in his underwear chasing two girls in a hotel corridor.

That never ends well.

It is a sentence you never want to see written about yourself.

I think perhaps it is situation specific....

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [windywave] [ In reply to ]

Sep 27, 22 20:37

Post #73 of 98 Views: 576

There is a good podcast on the Chris Miller YouTube channel (good Australia cycling YouTube channel) that starts off with a bit more detail on where the Dutch team were staying and how they approached the World Champs.
Definitely staying in a slightly dodgy area and miles from the start and finish (seems like a weird choice of locations to base themselves from).
Am really disappointed for the image that it creates for cycling and tourism down under.

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [Amnesia] [ In reply to ]

Sep 27, 22 21:01

Post #74 of 98 Views: 568

No. This is exactly what I would expect Down Under

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [WannaB] [ In reply to ]

Sep 27, 22 22:09

Post #75 of 98 Views: 536

WannaB wrote:

No. This is exactly what I would expect Down Under

To be honest, it is a lot more like this most of the time (I have no idea if this song ever had any traction outside of Aus/NZ but it was our main drinking song at uni):

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Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [echappist] [ In reply to ]

Sep 28, 22 21:15

Post #76 of 98 Views: 1809

The video shows one party knocking on the door, giggling and clearly knowing what they are doing.

There is then a lot of noise, screaming in a hijinks hilarity sound from the offending party. Vidoe of MVDP is inconclusive looking more like it is from his room.

There is no video to support the claim:

People occupying land are entitled to the quiet enjoyment of that land, whether they are an owner or tenant. A legal nuisance is a substantial and unreasonable interference with that quiet enjoyment, and is categorised into either public or private nuisance.

In this case the Door knockers have:

undertaken an activity or intrusion that causes fear.

The door knockers could have been imprisoned for 6 months and fined 15K
They are also liable for civil litigation and MVDP could make a case.

Given that he copped to a 1500 fine, suggests maybe he did perhaps go a bit too far as he would otherwise have a strong case. But have to ask why the police did not bring the door knockers and their parents in and say well here it is you will be charged with nuisance and held in the cells, or you can all STFU and take a caution.

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [stevie g] [ In reply to ]

Sep 28, 22 21:53

Post #77 of 98 Views: 1791

stevie g wrote:

The video shows one party knocking on the door, giggling and clearly knowing what they are doing.

There is then a lot of noise, screaming in a hijinks hilarity sound from the offending party. Vidoe of MVDP is inconclusive looking more like it is from his room.

There is no video to support the claim:

People occupying land are entitled to the quiet enjoyment of that land, whether they are an owner or tenant. A legal nuisance is a substantial and unreasonable interference with that quiet enjoyment, and is categorised into either public or private nuisance.

In this case the Door knockers have:

undertaken an activity or intrusion that causes fear.

The door knockers could have been imprisoned for 6 months and fined 15K
They are also liable for civil litigation and MVDP could make a case.

Given that he copped to a 1500 fine, suggests maybe he did perhaps go a bit too far as he would otherwise have a strong case. But have to ask why the police did not bring the door knockers and their parents in and say well here it is you will be charged with nuisance and held in the cells, or you can all STFU and take a caution.

I think in the eyes of the law he maybe did go too far technically, and I imagine he pled guilty to get it over and done with, you would think any decent lawyer would not have allowed a plea to be made within 48 hours like that. Makes you question who was giving them legal advice.
There are already anti-cycling comments on various news sites that are not even related to the actual case.

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [Amnesia] [ In reply to ]

Sep 28, 22 23:40

Post #78 of 98 Views: 1774

Yes no doubt. MVDP and the hotel should have done better. Hotel should have evicted the door knockers.

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [stevie g] [ In reply to ]

Sep 29, 22 1:13

Post #79 of 98 Views: 1764

stevie g wrote:

Yes no doubt. MVDP and the hotel should have done better. Hotel should have evicted the door knockers.

Possibly the most accurate commentary in the thread IMHO. Doli Incapax applies here, but once MVDP is involved in an incident producing injuries to the other party (and self defence vs female kids is a long bow) then the legal process should be charged with finding out whether he is liable ie, not the attending cops. He pled guilty, so it cannot be too tough a stretch. The kids certainly need a kick up the rear, but it wasn’t his job.

And they could not have stayed in a less cycle aware spot. Bet the kids had no idea who they were being arsehats too

Last edited by: Gustavo: Sep 29, 22 1:16

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [Amnesia] [ In reply to ]

Sep 29, 22 2:17

Post #80 of 98 Views: 1755

Amnesia wrote:

stevie g wrote:

The video shows one party knocking on the door, giggling and clearly knowing what they are doing.

There is then a lot of noise, screaming in a hijinks hilarity sound from the offending party. Vidoe of MVDP is inconclusive looking more like it is from his room.

There is no video to support the claim:

People occupying land are entitled to the quiet enjoyment of that land, whether they are an owner or tenant. A legal nuisance is a substantial and unreasonable interference with that quiet enjoyment, and is categorised into either public or private nuisance.

In this case the Door knockers have:

undertaken an activity or intrusion that causes fear.

The door knockers could have been imprisoned for 6 months and fined 15K
They are also liable for civil litigation and MVDP could make a case.

Given that he copped to a 1500 fine, suggests maybe he did perhaps go a bit too far as he would otherwise have a strong case. But have to ask why the police did not bring the door knockers and their parents in and say well here it is you will be charged with nuisance and held in the cells, or you can all STFU and take a caution.

I think in the eyes of the law he maybe did go too far technically, and I imagine he pled guilty to get it over and done with, you would think any decent lawyer would not have allowed a plea to be made within 48 hours like that. Makes you question who was giving them legal advice.
There are already anti-cycling comments on various news sites that are not even related to the actual case.

I don't know. If it was me and I lost my cool and grabbed some kids who were messing with me, and ended up arrested for it, I'd just pay the fine, get my passport back and high tail it out of the country before things got any worse. It will blow over shortly and he'll be fine.

I would assume once he's out of the country he's essentially immune to any further criminal or civil consequences.

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [ThisIsIt] [ In reply to ]

Sep 29, 22 4:05

Post #81 of 98 Views: 1732

ThisIsIt wrote:

Amnesia wrote:

stevie g wrote:

The video shows one party knocking on the door, giggling and clearly knowing what they are doing.

There is then a lot of noise, screaming in a hijinks hilarity sound from the offending party. Vidoe of MVDP is inconclusive looking more like it is from his room.

There is no video to support the claim:

People occupying land are entitled to the quiet enjoyment of that land, whether they are an owner or tenant. A legal nuisance is a substantial and unreasonable interference with that quiet enjoyment, and is categorised into either public or private nuisance.

In this case the Door knockers have:

undertaken an activity or intrusion that causes fear.

The door knockers could have been imprisoned for 6 months and fined 15K
They are also liable for civil litigation and MVDP could make a case.

Given that he copped to a 1500 fine, suggests maybe he did perhaps go a bit too far as he would otherwise have a strong case. But have to ask why the police did not bring the door knockers and their parents in and say well here it is you will be charged with nuisance and held in the cells, or you can all STFU and take a caution.

I think in the eyes of the law he maybe did go too far technically, and I imagine he pled guilty to get it over and done with, you would think any decent lawyer would not have allowed a plea to be made within 48 hours like that. Makes you question who was giving them legal advice.
There are already anti-cycling comments on various news sites that are not even related to the actual case.

I don't know. If it was me and I lost my cool and grabbed some kids who were messing with me, and ended up arrested for it, I'd just pay the fine, get my passport back and high tail it out of the country before things got any worse. It will blow over shortly and he'll be fine.

I would assume once he's out of the country he's essentially immune to any further criminal or civil consequences.

No, he most certainly is not immune to any further action even when out of the country. This, in the simplest sense, enabled him to get his passport returned and leave the country. Australia has extradition laws etc with most countries. He is not immune to anything simply by leaving the country. Worse still, he may be subject to an exclusion order for Australia for the next 3 years, and every time he completes an arrival card/declaration he now has a criminal record he may have to declare (the threshold for what needs to be declared obviously differs between countries). The implications are not overly minor, especially for an athlete who needs to travel constantly for their career. I have heard he is now appealing things, but that is word of mouth as I have not had a chance to read the news yet.

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [Amnesia] [ In reply to ]

Sep 29, 22 4:23

Post #82 of 98 Views: 1721

Amnesia wrote:

ThisIsIt wrote:

Amnesia wrote:

stevie g wrote:

The video shows one party knocking on the door, giggling and clearly knowing what they are doing.

There is then a lot of noise, screaming in a hijinks hilarity sound from the offending party. Vidoe of MVDP is inconclusive looking more like it is from his room.

There is no video to support the claim:

People occupying land are entitled to the quiet enjoyment of that land, whether they are an owner or tenant. A legal nuisance is a substantial and unreasonable interference with that quiet enjoyment, and is categorised into either public or private nuisance.

In this case the Door knockers have:

undertaken an activity or intrusion that causes fear.

The door knockers could have been imprisoned for 6 months and fined 15K
They are also liable for civil litigation and MVDP could make a case.

Given that he copped to a 1500 fine, suggests maybe he did perhaps go a bit too far as he would otherwise have a strong case. But have to ask why the police did not bring the door knockers and their parents in and say well here it is you will be charged with nuisance and held in the cells, or you can all STFU and take a caution.

I think in the eyes of the law he maybe did go too far technically, and I imagine he pled guilty to get it over and done with, you would think any decent lawyer would not have allowed a plea to be made within 48 hours like that. Makes you question who was giving them legal advice.
There are already anti-cycling comments on various news sites that are not even related to the actual case.

I don't know. If it was me and I lost my cool and grabbed some kids who were messing with me, and ended up arrested for it, I'd just pay the fine, get my passport back and high tail it out of the country before things got any worse. It will blow over shortly and he'll be fine.

I would assume once he's out of the country he's essentially immune to any further criminal or civil consequences.

No, he most certainly is not immune to any further action even when out of the country. This, in the simplest sense, enabled him to get his passport returned and leave the country. Australia has extradition laws etc with most countries. He is not immune to anything simply by leaving the country. Worse still, he may be subject to an exclusion order for Australia for the next 3 years, and every time he completes an arrival card/declaration he now has a criminal record he may have to declare (the threshold for what needs to be declared obviously differs between countries). The implications are not overly minor, especially for an athlete who needs to travel constantly for their career. I have heard he is now appealing things, but that is word of mouth as I have not had a chance to read the news yet.

Could he be charged with any further crimes given that he already plead guilty to whatever it was they charged him with? I assume the cops got all the relevant information at the time from the aggrieved family.

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [ThisIsIt] [ In reply to ]

Sep 29, 22 4:26

Post #83 of 98 Views: 1720

ThisIsIt wrote:

Could he be charged with any further crimes given that he already plead guilty to whatever it was they charged him with? I assume the cops got all the relevant information at the time from the aggrieved family.

I am not a lawyer so I cannot comment as accurately as others.
But certainly pleading guilty to one charge does not make you immune to further prosecution on related charges.
In this situation there would almost certainly be nothing further to be charged with though, from what we know.

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [Amnesia] [ In reply to ]

Sep 29, 22 8:36

Post #84 of 98 Views: 1680

Amnesia wrote:

ThisIsIt wrote:

Could he be charged with any further crimes given that he already plead guilty to whatever it was they charged him with? I assume the cops got all the relevant information at the time from the aggrieved family.

I am not a lawyer so I cannot comment as accurately as others.
But certainly pleading guilty to one charge does not make you immune to further prosecution on related charges.
In this situation there would almost certainly be nothing further to be charged with though, from what we know.

IANAL but I would think his biggest worry would be a civil suit. He must have reasonably deep pockets and would seem to be an obvious target. Not sure how it works in Oz but in the US the ambulance chasers would be all over this.

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [eb] [ In reply to ]

Sep 29, 22 11:56

Post #85 of 98 Views: 1649

Quote:

IANAL but I would think his biggest worry would be a civil suit. He must have reasonably deep pockets and would seem to be an obvious target. Not sure how it works in Oz but in the US the ambulance chasers would be all over this.

Not sure they'd be all over it in the US. Going up against deep pockets can be tough. His lawyers would have the resources to dig deep into the girls upbringing and past behavior. Maybe also counterclaim for damages for not being able to race.

________
It doesn't really matter what Phil is saying, the music of his voice is the appropriate soundtrack for a bicycle race. HTupolev

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [eb] [ In reply to ]

Sep 29, 22 14:57

Post #86 of 98 Views: 1612

The nuisnace door knockers can be sued , this one is going away

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [eb] [ In reply to ]

Sep 30, 22 1:22

Post #87 of 98 Views: 1576

eb wrote:

Amnesia wrote:

ThisIsIt wrote:

Could he be charged with any further crimes given that he already plead guilty to whatever it was they charged him with? I assume the cops got all the relevant information at the time from the aggrieved family.

I am not a lawyer so I cannot comment as accurately as others.
But certainly pleading guilty to one charge does not make you immune to further prosecution on related charges.
In this situation there would almost certainly be nothing further to be charged with though, from what we know.

IANAL but I would think his biggest worry would be a civil suit. He must have reasonably deep pockets and would seem to be an obvious target. Not sure how it works in Oz but in the US the ambulance chasers would be all over this.

Doesn't tend to happen here in Oz.
We have ambulance chasers for medical misadventure and car accidents etc, but not this stuff....

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [Amnesia] [ In reply to ]

Sep 30, 22 3:42

Post #88 of 98 Views: 1553

Amnesia wrote:

ThisIsIt wrote:

Could he be charged with any further crimes given that he already plead guilty to whatever it was they charged him with? I assume the cops got all the relevant information at the time from the aggrieved family.

I am not a lawyer so I cannot comment as accurately as others.
But certainly pleading guilty to one charge does not make you immune to further prosecution on related charges.
In this situation there would almost certainly be nothing further to be charged with though, from what we know.

Sure, I was thinking cop to the charge that was given since it wasn't so bad, pay the fine and get gone. OTOH, stick around, try to fight it, and end up being charged with some worse crime or get "trapped" there over some civil suit. Not sure if the latter could happen or not, but I wouldn't take the chance on it.

Good luck trying to get money out of him if he's back home.

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [Amnesia] [ In reply to ]

Sep 30, 22 17:35

Post #89 of 98 Views: 1500

Amnesia wrote:

eb wrote:

IANAL but I would think his biggest worry would be a civil suit. He must have reasonably deep pockets and would seem to be an obvious target. Not sure how it works in Oz but in the US the ambulance chasers would be all over this.

Doesn't tend to happen here in Oz.
We have ambulance chasers for medical misadventure and car accidents etc, but not this stuff....

That's good to hear. Most of my knowledge of the Australian legal system comes from watching 'Rake', so I might be a little confused.

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [eb] [ In reply to ]

Sep 30, 22 20:15

Post #90 of 98 Views: 1481

eb wrote:

Amnesia wrote:

eb wrote:

IANAL but I would think his biggest worry would be a civil suit. He must have reasonably deep pockets and would seem to be an obvious target. Not sure how it works in Oz but in the US the ambulance chasers would be all over this.

Doesn't tend to happen here in Oz.
We have ambulance chasers for medical misadventure and car accidents etc, but not this stuff....

That's good to hear. Most of my knowledge of the Australian legal system comes from watching 'Rake', so I might be a little confused.

What is Rake??
That’s coming from an Aussie!

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [Amnesia] [ In reply to ]

Oct 1, 22 4:55

Post #91 of 98 Views: 1457

Amnesia wrote:

What is Rake??
That’s coming from an Aussie!

Rake was a TV series that IMO was hilariously funny.

https://en.wikipedia.org/...Australian_TV_series)

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1587000/

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [eb] [ In reply to ]

Oct 3, 22 21:38

Post #92 of 98 Views: 1393

eb wrote:

Amnesia wrote:

eb wrote:

IANAL but I would think his biggest worry would be a civil suit. He must have reasonably deep pockets and would seem to be an obvious target. Not sure how it works in Oz but in the US the ambulance chasers would be all over this.

Doesn't tend to happen here in Oz.
We have ambulance chasers for medical misadventure and car accidents etc, but not this stuff....

That's good to hear. Most of my knowledge of the Australian legal system comes from watching 'Rake', so I might be a little confused.

I started watching Rake after seeing this post. It’s pretty funny. I’m watching the zebra episode & it cracks me up. He’s fanning himself with the tail. Ha ha!

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [Barks&Purrs] [ In reply to ]

Oct 4, 22 5:25

Post #93 of 98 Views: 1344

Barks&Purrs wrote:

eb wrote:

Amnesia wrote:

eb wrote:

IANAL but I would think his biggest worry would be a civil suit. He must have reasonably deep pockets and would seem to be an obvious target. Not sure how it works in Oz but in the US the ambulance chasers would be all over this.

Doesn't tend to happen here in Oz.
We have ambulance chasers for medical misadventure and car accidents etc, but not this stuff....

That's good to hear. Most of my knowledge of the Australian legal system comes from watching 'Rake', so I might be a little confused.

I started watching Rake after seeing this post. It’s pretty funny. I’m watching the zebra episode & it cracks me up. He’s fanning himself with the tail. Ha ha!

I'm glad you're enjoying it! I do recommend starting at the very beginning, but yeah, the zebra episode was hilarious.

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [eb] [ In reply to ]

Oct 4, 22 6:13

Post #94 of 98 Views: 1338

I don’t know how to start at the beginning. I’m watching with prime video and all the previous seasons are not available— they’re listed but prime won’t let me buy access. :(

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [j p o] [ In reply to ]

Oct 4, 22 6:25

Post #95 of 98 Views: 1332

j p o wrote:

ThisIsIt wrote:

Amnesia wrote:

ThisIsIt wrote:

Amnesia wrote:

ThisIsIt wrote:

Amnesia wrote:

Is anyone else finding the whole saga a little bizarre?
I am keeping in mind there are two sides to every story, and the truth is somewhere amongst that.
I have read some nasty stuff on twitter about this, which is hard to know whether what we are hearing from MvDP is the most accurate representation of the events, or it’s just a troll making stuff up. I won’t repeat it on here but it did make me question the events as they unfolded.
My kids would be severely punished if I found out they were doing something like this. Seems like an absolutely feral thing to be doing at that time of night in a hotel. They were guests. Where were the parents?
Was a great week of racing. A shame it’s stories like this that get more coverage.

Yes bizarre, I haven't even read a proper story on it since cyclingnews puts most things behind a paywall now.

There was a thread on twitter, with a new user chiming in saying they were there, have it on film etc. Hard to know if it was just a troll etc or for real. There has been a reasonable amount of coverage over here about it, non paywall stuff.

Why were the girls knocking on his door?

And what's going on over there, 14 year old boys are often enough shitheads, but girls doing this?

Honestly just seems like a prank taken too far, kids being annoying. Knocking/ringing the bell then running. He said they did it 3 times, they said once. Not sure if its a thing elsewhere, but is a pretty "common" stupid prank. Happened to us at our house for a while until we found the little shi$t head doing it and told his parents.

Yes, common enough, just seems like it would be far more likely to be boys than girls doing it.

I don't know that I can assume anyone was actually knocking on his door as a prank. It sounds more like random noise pissed him off. And his comments don't really seem to be claiming he was at all justified. There is more to this story.

I find it interesting that everyone is assuming these two girls were banging on his door to make him mad and that he just couldn't take it any more and made a last ditch effort to defend his room against the barbarian invaders.

That just doesn't make sense.

It’s been reported from both sides that the girls were playing the knock and run prank.
What’s a bit murky is how many times it happened.
It happened at least once clearly, but whether it happened prior to that or it was general noise his partner asked them to tone down could be open to interpretation.

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [Amnesia] [ In reply to ]

Oct 4, 22 6:27

Post #96 of 98 Views: 1326

Amnesia wrote:

j p o wrote:

ThisIsIt wrote:

Amnesia wrote:

ThisIsIt wrote:

Amnesia wrote:

ThisIsIt wrote:

Amnesia wrote:

Is anyone else finding the whole saga a little bizarre?
I am keeping in mind there are two sides to every story, and the truth is somewhere amongst that.
I have read some nasty stuff on twitter about this, which is hard to know whether what we are hearing from MvDP is the most accurate representation of the events, or it’s just a troll making stuff up. I won’t repeat it on here but it did make me question the events as they unfolded.
My kids would be severely punished if I found out they were doing something like this. Seems like an absolutely feral thing to be doing at that time of night in a hotel. They were guests. Where were the parents?
Was a great week of racing. A shame it’s stories like this that get more coverage.

Yes bizarre, I haven't even read a proper story on it since cyclingnews puts most things behind a paywall now.

There was a thread on twitter, with a new user chiming in saying they were there, have it on film etc. Hard to know if it was just a troll etc or for real. There has been a reasonable amount of coverage over here about it, non paywall stuff.

Why were the girls knocking on his door?

And what's going on over there, 14 year old boys are often enough shitheads, but girls doing this?

Honestly just seems like a prank taken too far, kids being annoying. Knocking/ringing the bell then running. He said they did it 3 times, they said once. Not sure if its a thing elsewhere, but is a pretty "common" stupid prank. Happened to us at our house for a while until we found the little shi$t head doing it and told his parents.

Yes, common enough, just seems like it would be far more likely to be boys than girls doing it.

I don't know that I can assume anyone was actually knocking on his door as a prank. It sounds more like random noise pissed him off. And his comments don't really seem to be claiming he was at all justified. There is more to this story.

I find it interesting that everyone is assuming these two girls were banging on his door to make him mad and that he just couldn't take it any more and made a last ditch effort to defend his room against the barbarian invaders.

That just doesn't make sense.

It’s been reported from both sides that the girls were playing the knock and run prank.
What’s a bit murky is how many times it happened.
It happened at least once clearly, but whether it happened prior to that or it was general noise his partner asked them to tone down could be open to interpretation.

It happened enough that he was at the door one of the times and came running out after them, right?

That would be a pretty weird way to act the first time someone knocked on your door.

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [ThisIsIt] [ In reply to ]

Oct 4, 22 6:37

Post #97 of 98 Views: 1323

I dearly hope this becomes the new neo-pro hazing ritual at Alpecin-Fenix. Just at some low-grade warmup race.

"Ok dude, you want to be one of us, you've got to knock-and-run Mathieu at 2AM."

"But..."

[Makes knocking gesture]

Last edited by: trail: Oct 4, 22 6:38

Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [trail] [ In reply to ]

Oct 4, 22 7:03

Post #98 of 98 Views: 1308

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