As far as noise goes, today's active noise cancelling headphones are amazing. There can be a party in the next room and barely be able to hear it, especially if you have some light music or white noise playing. I can't imagine any traveler not having a good pair of ANC headphones or earbuds.
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Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [j p o]
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Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [j p o]
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j p o wrote:
ThisIsIt wrote:
j p o wrote:
ThisIsIt wrote:
Amnesia wrote:
ThisIsIt wrote:
Amnesia wrote:
ThisIsIt wrote:
Amnesia wrote:
Is anyone else finding the whole saga a little bizarre? I am keeping in mind there are two sides to every story, and the truth is somewhere amongst that.
I have read some nasty stuff on twitter about this, which is hard to know whether what we are hearing from MvDP is the most accurate representation of the events, or it’s just a troll making stuff up. I won’t repeat it on here but it did make me question the events as they unfolded.
My kids would be severely punished if I found out they were doing something like this. Seems like an absolutely feral thing to be doing at that time of night in a hotel. They were guests. Where were the parents?
Was a great week of racing. A shame it’s stories like this that get more coverage.
Yes bizarre, I haven't even read a proper story on it since cyclingnews puts most things behind a paywall now.
There was a thread on twitter, with a new user chiming in saying they were there, have it on film etc. Hard to know if it was just a troll etc or for real. There has been a reasonable amount of coverage over here about it, non paywall stuff.
Why were the girls knocking on his door?
And what's going on over there, 14 year old boys are often enough shitheads, but girls doing this?
Honestly just seems like a prank taken too far, kids being annoying. Knocking/ringing the bell then running. He said they did it 3 times, they said once. Not sure if its a thing elsewhere, but is a pretty "common" stupid prank. Happened to us at our house for a while until we found the little shi$t head doing it and told his parents.
Yes, common enough, just seems like it would be far more likely to be boys than girls doing it.
I don't know that I can assume anyone was actually knocking on his door as a prank. It sounds more like random noise pissed him off. And his comments don't really seem to be claiming he was at all justified. There is more to this story.
I find it interesting that everyone is assuming these two girls were banging on his door to make him mad and that he just couldn't take it any more and made a last ditch effort to defend his room against the barbarian invaders.
That just doesn't make sense.
The Velonews story says they were knocking on his door throughout the night. I suppose it could be incorrect but that's what the story says.
They are reporting what he has said. And "throughout the night" is not exactly how I would put it since this happened at 10:40.
I'm not saying there wasn't a lot of noise or that I wouldn't be irritated. But I'm not sure shoving 7th grade girls is ever going to be the right way to handle it.
It's never going to be the right way to handle it.
Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [ThisIsIt]
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Why were the girls knocking on his door? And what's going on over there, 14 year old boys are often enough shitheads, but girls doing this?
Perhaps they were Fangirls looking for Annemiek's room?
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Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [j p o]
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I don't know that I can assume anyone was actually knocking on his door as a prank. It sounds more like random noise pissed him off. And his comments don't really seem to be claiming he was at all justified. There is more to this story. I find it interesting that everyone is assuming these two girls were banging on his door to make him mad and that he just couldn't take it any more and made a last ditch effort to defend his room against the barbarian invaders.
That just doesn't make sense.
For whatever it's worth, there's this short video making the rounds. I donno if it's authenticated (can't get any metadata out of it), but if legit, it would suggest the teenagers knew whom their target is...
https://youtube.com/...nxE0zw?feature=share
As for the broader phenomena of teenagers knocking doors, whatever that garners attention for them, especially if the attention is in the form of ticktock clicks and likes
Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [echappist]
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???? Did he run out and grab the phone? Heard squeals.
Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [kiki]
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No idea. Can't even tell if it was indeed MvdP, though my suspicion is it was.
The teenager filming might have dropped the phone once she realized that the tiger getting poked might actually fight back...
Still, if someone is able to figure out when that account (with username "hey") was created and when the video was uploaded (and perhaps created), that might answer a few more questions.
Ultimately, I'm still waiting for the security footage to come out, but the video does show that it should be quite believable that teenagers would knock on doors (or hotels or apartments) in order to harass the residents, and film all of that.
The teenager filming might have dropped the phone once she realized that the tiger getting poked might actually fight back...
Still, if someone is able to figure out when that account (with username "hey") was created and when the video was uploaded (and perhaps created), that might answer a few more questions.
Ultimately, I'm still waiting for the security footage to come out, but the video does show that it should be quite believable that teenagers would knock on doors (or hotels or apartments) in order to harass the residents, and film all of that.
Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [kiki]
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???? Did he run out and grab the phone? Heard squeals.Isn't that just habitual for 14 year old girls?
Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [echappist]
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agreed, it does look like tiktok/whatever karma bait. If they knew who he was, more virality.
*if* he did go for the phone, i understand the impulse (but of course don't condone it). if that's what the scenario was, if there's no phone, there's no payout
all conjecture of course
*if* he did go for the phone, i understand the impulse (but of course don't condone it). if that's what the scenario was, if there's no phone, there's no payout
all conjecture of course
Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [kiki]
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/...o-teenage-girls.html
This story, even though from a tabloid type news outlet, seems to fit with the various versions that are out there.
This story, even though from a tabloid type news outlet, seems to fit with the various versions that are out there.
Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [FishyJoe]
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As far as noise goes, today's active noise cancelling headphones are amazing. There can be a party in the next room and barely be able to hear it, especially if you have some light music or white noise playing. I can't imagine any traveler not having a good pair of ANC headphones or earbuds.I have these $400 Sony ones which are insane. My neighbours had a party with loud music and I could literally hear nothing after putting them on.
Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [trail]
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So if your kid was shoved by a pro athlete to the point of (allegedly) bleeding, you'd meekly walk away and take it out on your kid?
If my kids did a relatively innocent prank and he over-reacted, resorting to violence, no, I wouldn't walk away, it would be game on. If my kids went past the innocent pranking and were being complete cunts, then yeah, they probably got what they deserved and more importantly, learned a valuable life lesson.
Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [trail]
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Point me to the era when teenagers *didn't* go out at night and do freaking obnoxious things. That's what kids have always done, and will always do. What "charges" do you want for a 13 and 14 year old for "knock and run?" That's crazy.
And point me to an era when it was OK for a male pro athlete to (allegedly) touch someone else's teenage girls in anger. He (allegedly) pushed a 13 and 14 y.o. to the ground, with one "grazing" her elbow. You can't do that. I'm nearly 50, and I can't remember any era where it was OK to (allegedly) push little girls to the ground. MdVP might be lucky the wrong Australian parent wasn't there to go after him.
" to the point of altercation"
That's 100% on MdVP. He'd have had plenty of options. Hotel management, large Dutch team staff, police. He lost his cool, unfortunately.
Yeah we were little shits growing up, but we also knew we had to be accountable and that there were consequences if caught e.g getting our arses kicked. Kids are no different today, except they know they can get away with a lot more. Plus thanks to social media and this trend for embarrassing/humiliating/attacking strangers and filming it, this kind of behaviour is on the increase. Smack an adult in the face with a cream-pie, film it, get thousands of likes and earn $$... what's the adult going to do, report a teeanger for getting a pie in the face? He'll be laughed out the police station.
Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [FishyJoe]
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FishyJoe wrote:
As far as noise goes, today's active noise cancelling headphones are amazing. There can be a party in the next room and barely be able to hear it, especially if you have some light music or white noise playing. I can't imagine any traveler not having a good pair of ANC headphones or earbuds.Yet they won’t block out my wife’s snoring.
Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [Chemist]
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torrey wrote:
Nothing has been ruled out. He denied shoving them and it is possible they tripped when running away.I'm wondering if this could have been the case as well. He potential runs after them, possibly tries to grab one if them to keep them from getting away and they fall. Right now it's purely a he-said she-said ordeal.
What I do think is pretty clear is the hotel management did a shit job. You've got a bunch of world class athletes that travel halfway across the world for the world championships and you've got a couple dumbass teenagers running around disturbing them
or you could say it was the fault of the Dutch team mangers. The team has people who should be able to handle this kind of stuff in the even that the hotel F's up.
Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [RogerC39]
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Yet they won’t block out my wife’s snoring.you need to double up. Custom or moldable silicone earplugs, then a bluetooth sleep headband playing white noise. This is my go to in close quarters.
sadly i could never manage to sleep with bulky noise cancelling headphones, but they work great during the day.
Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [kiki]
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Oh boy, shockingly bad judgment on the part of MvdP, who apparently chased the girls into their room (a third sibling was also present)
Otoh, from the same article, these two girls have pulled similar stunts before, and their parents are aware of it.
Otoh, from the same article, these two girls have pulled similar stunts before, and their parents are aware of it.
Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [echappist]
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Oh boy, shockingly bad judgment on the part of MvdP, who apparently chased the girls into their room (a third sibling was also present) Otoh, from the same article, these two girls have pulled similar stunts before, and their parents are aware of it.
For 3 hours? Those are two proper little shits. I'd throttle my kids if I found out they were doing that kind of stuff.
He handled it in about the worst possible way, but judging by the parents reactions no wonder they have kids that behave like that.
Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [echappist]
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VeloNews has seen one of the videos, which lasts less than 10 seconds, and appears to briefly show a man in his underwear chasing two girls in a hotel corridor. That never ends well.
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Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [ThisIsIt]
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echappist wrote:
Oh boy, shockingly bad judgment on the part of MvdP, who apparently chased the girls into their room (a third sibling was also present) Otoh, from the same article, these two girls have pulled similar stunts before, and their parents are aware of it.
For 3 hours? Those are two proper little shits. I'd throttle my kids if I found out they were doing that kind of stuff.
He handled it in about the worst possible way, but judging by the parents reactions no wonder they have kids that behave like that.
The best part is that MVDP chased after them in his underwear. Totally relatable. I lose my cool when my kids make too much noise after I’ve gone to bed.
Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [ThisIsIt]
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For 3 hours? .
That may be a bit of hyperbole. Or else those two girls have remarkable focus and persistence, playing the long game. Like at random intervals between 10 and 40 minutes. I could see that being maddening.
Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [The GMAN]
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VeloNews has seen one of the videos, which lasts less than 10 seconds, and appears to briefly show a man in his underwear chasing two girls in a hotel corridor. That never ends well.
It is a sentence you never want to see written about yourself.
I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [j p o]
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j p o wrote:
The GMAN wrote:
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VeloNews has seen one of the videos, which lasts less than 10 seconds, and appears to briefly show a man in his underwear chasing two girls in a hotel corridor. That never ends well.
It is a sentence you never want to see written about yourself.
I think perhaps it is situation specific....
Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [windywave]
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There is a good podcast on the Chris Miller YouTube channel (good Australia cycling YouTube channel) that starts off with a bit more detail on where the Dutch team were staying and how they approached the World Champs.
Definitely staying in a slightly dodgy area and miles from the start and finish (seems like a weird choice of locations to base themselves from).
Am really disappointed for the image that it creates for cycling and tourism down under.
Definitely staying in a slightly dodgy area and miles from the start and finish (seems like a weird choice of locations to base themselves from).
Am really disappointed for the image that it creates for cycling and tourism down under.
Re: The MVDP hotel incident "today" vs. "when I was a kid" [Amnesia]
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No. This is exactly what I would expect Down Under