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The Durham investigation seemed like it was going to go out with a whimper after securing only a single guilty conviction. Then came the Sussman indictment, and now the arrest of Danchenko.

https://www.cbsnews.com/...rested-durham-probe/


It's not yet clear if the connection between Danchenko and a long-time Clinton associate is significant.
https://www.politico.com/...urce-arrested-519498
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Are the folks at Fox still calling lying to the FBI a "Process Crime"?
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If they are then they are right, because a process crime is a serious crime. If found guilty, these people need the maximum sentence. And the person(s) that commissioned the lies should be indicted too.
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TMI wrote:
It's not yet clear if the connection between Danchenko and a long-time Clinton associate is significant.
https://www.politico.com/...urce-arrested-519498

Since the indictment details the information supposedly provided by the Clinton associate, can you tell me how it is possibly in any way significant? Explain to me how that information is in any way significant.
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NealH wrote:
If they are then they are right, because a process crime is a serious crime. If found guilty, these people need the maximum sentence. And the person(s) that commissioned the lies should be indicted too.

That would be the Republican Party oppo research on Candidate Trump.

If you read up on the dossier, it was full of lots of true things, some "rumors", and some things likely fabricated by Russian intelligence agents, designed to cause chaos and conflict. I think the dossier guy even put that caveat into the thing.

It's interesting... if you look into the math of this stuff, you get something like 2 to the third to the third things to run down in a nested ambiguity statement of N=3. That's like 1000 things the FBI has to track down. Scissor statements have exponential power as well, where N cuts = N squared the energy of the original whole or something like that. Fascinating science.

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NealH wrote:
If they are then they are right, because a process crime is a serious crime. If found guilty, these people need the maximum sentence. And the person(s) that commissioned the lies should be indicted too.

100% agree. Supposedly this Russian guy lied 5 times to the FBI. Lock him up.
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Still moving at a snail's pace. Small update on Friday's filings.

https://www.msn.com/...sia-probe/ar-AATPJuG
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ericMPro wrote:
NealH wrote:
If they are then they are right, because a process crime is a serious crime. If found guilty, these people need the maximum sentence. And the person(s) that commissioned the lies should be indicted too.

That would be the Republican Party oppo research on Candidate Trump.

If you read up on the dossier, it was full of lots of true things, some "rumors", and some things likely fabricated by Russian intelligence agents, designed to cause chaos and conflict. I think the dossier guy even put that caveat into the thing.

It's interesting... if you look into the math of this stuff, you get something like 2 to the third to the third things to run down in a nested ambiguity statement of N=3. That's like 1000 things the FBI has to track down. Scissor statements have exponential power as well, where N cuts = N squared the energy of the original whole or something like that. Fascinating science.

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Can you rephrase that paragraph or something?

Nested ambiguity statement means what? Is that where statements are intentionally written to be ambiguous so that someone working to clarify has to investigate each potential meaning?

Scissor statements are statements that appear starkly obvious but are open to two entirely different meanings?

The dossier itself was an attack on democracy based upon ambiguous language? If I understand this, that is fascinating! Language is insane!
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Still moving at a snail's pace. Small update on Friday's filings.

https://www.msn.com/...sia-probe/ar-AATPJuG

Can you explain why we should believe John Ratcliffe? Since he is known to lie?

That is without getting into how dumb the substance of what he said was.
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chaparral wrote:
TMI wrote:
Still moving at a snail's pace. Small update on Friday's filings.

https://www.msn.com/...sia-probe/ar-AATPJuG


Can you explain why we should believe John Ratcliffe? Since he is known to lie?

That is without getting into how dumb the substance of what he said was.

Can someone even explain this whole thing to me? I saw articles earlier today that somehow Clinton was in the WH servers... doing what? I get the old claims about the 2016 stuff, but claims that Clinton directed this to be done while he was in the WH I do not understand at all. What was she doing and what exactly did they do "in the servers"??

I also don't get the bit in this article about the first impeachment, that was based on what Trump said about Ukraine, how could that tie back to her?

So confused... which maybe is the point.
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CallMeMaybe wrote:
ericMPro wrote:
NealH wrote:
If they are then they are right, because a process crime is a serious crime. If found guilty, these people need the maximum sentence. And the person(s) that commissioned the lies should be indicted too.

That would be the Republican Party oppo research on Candidate Trump.

If you read up on the dossier, it was full of lots of true things, some "rumors", and some things likely fabricated by Russian intelligence agents, designed to cause chaos and conflict. I think the dossier guy even put that caveat into the thing.

It's interesting... if you look into the math of this stuff, you get something like 2 to the third to the third things to run down in a nested ambiguity statement of N=3. That's like 1000 things the FBI has to track down. Scissor statements have exponential power as well, where N cuts = N squared the energy of the original whole or something like that. Fascinating science.

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Can you rephrase that paragraph or something?

Nested ambiguity statement means what? Is that where statements are intentionally written to be ambiguous so that someone working to clarify has to investigate each potential meaning?

Scissor statements are statements that appear starkly obvious but are open to two entirely different meanings?

The dossier itself was an attack on democracy based upon ambiguous language? If I understand this, that is fascinating! Language is insane!

It may surprise you that scientists know how to use math and language like weapons in a way in which normal people don’t. These people make other people very rich or powerful.

Google what I wrote, check out Noam Chomsky, etc. I’m saying that it’s all Kayfabe in the intelligence community.

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trirunnermaybe wrote:

Can someone even explain this whole thing to me? I saw articles earlier today that somehow Clinton was in the WH servers... doing what?


It is confusing.

This is what I gather. There was a guy doing investigatory work to try to tie Trump to a Russian bank. The end goal was to provide information to the FBI so that the FBI would have to start investigating Trump. This guy allegedly lied to Federal investigators about being paid by the Clinton Campaign to perform this work.

In the course of this investigation, he used non-public DNS server data (DNS is how you convert a domain name, like slowtwitch.com, to a specific IP address). He got access through a company contracted to provide DNS services to the Executive Office of the President of the United States. (aka The White House, I guess). The servers in question, according to the actual text from Durham, were for DNS services. The goal was to use this data to try to find that Trump-and-associates internet usage was resulting in DNS lookups to Russian-affiliated sites.

It does not appear to be about getting access to a file server, where government files would be stored. I'm not minimizing the importance. Because knowing what Internet sites White House personnel are visiting can certainly be considered government-sensitive information. Metadata collection is a form of eavesdropping.

Possibly some laws broken, for sure. And this is on the nastier, shady side of politics.

Is it Watergate bad if all true? Maybe not a good analogy because Clinton was not, and is not President. Certainly not good if she was aware of it. I'm fine with whatever legal outcome Durham decides.
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Didn’t this happen prior to Trump being in the White House?

The only thing I recall about this when it happened was everyone in my industry dismissed it as nonsense. It certainly wasn’t what started the Mueller investigation
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Nutella wrote:
Didn’t this happen prior to Trump being in the White House?

The only thing I recall about this when it happened was everyone in my industry dismissed it as nonsense. It certainly wasn’t what started the Mueller investigation

Good question. I'll have to read the full Durham release. Sigh
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trail wrote:
Nutella wrote:
Didn’t this happen prior to Trump being in the White House?

The only thing I recall about this when it happened was everyone in my industry dismissed it as nonsense. It certainly wasn’t what started the Mueller investigation


Good question. I'll have to read the full Durham release. Sigh

He appears to have collected dated from 2014 to February 2017. It doesn't appear that he was collecting data in 2014 but he did access some logs or archives.

Hearing it was Rodney Joffe, which is certainly a blast from the past.
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trail wrote:
trirunnermaybe wrote:

Can someone even explain this whole thing to me? I saw articles earlier today that somehow Clinton was in the WH servers... doing what?


It is confusing.

This is what I gather. There was a guy doing investigatory work to try to tie Trump to a Russian bank. The end goal was to provide information to the FBI so that the FBI would have to start investigating Trump. This guy allegedly lied to Federal investigators about being paid by the Clinton Campaign to perform this work.

In the course of this investigation, he used non-public DNS server data (DNS is how you convert a domain name, like slowtwitch.com, to a specific IP address). He got access through a company contracted to provide DNS services to the Executive Office of the President of the United States. (aka The White House, I guess). The servers in question, according to the actual text from Durham, were for DNS services. The goal was to use this data to try to find that Trump-and-associates internet usage was resulting in DNS lookups to Russian-affiliated sites.

It does not appear to be about getting access to a file server, where government files would be stored. I'm not minimizing the importance. Because knowing what Internet sites White House personnel are visiting can certainly be considered government-sensitive information. Metadata collection is a form of eavesdropping.

Possibly some laws broken, for sure. And this is on the nastier, shady side of politics.

Is it Watergate bad if all true? Maybe not a good analogy because Clinton was not, and is not President. Certainly not good if she was aware of it. I'm fine with whatever legal outcome Durham decides.

Here is a good outline of what this nonsense is about.

Durham actually just filed a motion about a potential conflict of interest for Latham Watkins, who is the lawyer for Sussmann. Sussmann is the one accused of lying to FBI about, but Durham's case against Sussmann is basically nothing. Watkins used to represent Marc Elias and Durham may call Elias to the stand, so was saying Watkins may have a conflict.

That is all Durham actually needed to talk about.

But since Durham is not about actual crimes and is more concerned with spreading bullshit, he dishonestly frames the work of Rondey Joffe. First, because the meeting where Sussmann was indicted, Sussmann had no knowledge of any white house DNS information. He only learned of it later during a meeting with CIA, as Durham himself points out. Second, there is no crime here, Durham has known about this the whole time, but let the statue of limitations lapse on anything to do with White House DNS info. There is no crime here. Third, all this was also in Sussmann's original indictment, but Durham just kinda put it in there randomly and had nothing to do what was actually charged.

Now why would Durham wait 5 months after indicting Sussmann to claim Sussmann's lawyer may have a conflict? Because Durham needs something so people don't forget who he is. If there was really a crime here, Durham would have charged someone. He has shown he doesn't need a strong case to charge people. There is obviously nothing here. Also, it is not really obvious there is any conflict in the first place, so why he filed this motion is just wild.

Durham's case against Sussmann is very weak. But he needs to drag the case out as long as possible so that he can keep spreading BS. He does not want it to actually end.

Of course Durham makes this all as confusing as possible and then Kash Patel (who would be Durham's witness on Sussmann's testimony under oath to congress) is then exaggerating what Durham says and then the right wing media repeats what Kash Patel said. Of course Kash Patel has his own issues with the whole trying to destroy the country by overturning the 2020 presidential election, but that is a whole other thing.
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At this point hasn’t the Durham investigation been going along almost twice as long as muellers investigation?
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Marcy Wheeler can be a bit hyperbolic but she is spot on about this. It is interesting to note that she was one of the many experts that shot down the Alfa Luma non-story when it first came out.
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Court Filing Started a Furor in Right-Wing Outlets, but Their Narrative Is Off Track
The latest alarmist claims about spying on Trump appeared to be flawed, but the explanation is byzantine — underlining the challenge for journalists in deciding what merits coverage.

https://www.nytimes.com/...nn-trump-russia.html

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Upon close inspection, these narratives are often based on a misleading presentation of the facts or outright misinformation. They also tend to involve dense and obscure issues, so dissecting them requires asking readers to expend significant mental energy and time — raising the question of whether news outlets should even cover such claims. Yet Trump allies portray the news media as engaged in a cover-up if they don’t.
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The conservative media also skewed what the filing said. For example, Mr. Durham’s filing never used the word “infiltrate.” And it never claimed that Mr. Joffe’s company was being paid by the Clinton campaign.
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Most important, contrary to the reporting, the filing never said the White House data that came under scrutiny was from the Trump era. According to lawyers for David Dagon, a Georgia Institute of Technology data scientist who helped develop the Yota analysis, the data — so-called DNS logs, which are records of when computers or smartphones have prepared to communicate with servers over the internet — came from Barack Obama’s presidency.
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“The cybersecurity researchers were investigating malware in the White House, not spying on the Trump campaign, and to our knowledge all of the data they used was nonprivate DNS data from before Trump took office.”
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Re: Durham Investigation [Nutella] [ In reply to ]
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Don't let facts get in the way!

Suffer Well.
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chaparral wrote:
Can you explain why we should believe John Ratcliffe?
Sorry, a full day of work, then dinner and a movie with the wife, and there just weren't many reports from which to choose yesterday.

After reading several more articles and analyses today, is Durham really not the straight arrow everyone thought he was, or do they just not like what he has found? Sussman's lawyers are clearly pushing back.

Andrew McCarthy's legal analysis is usually pretty reliable, and his take on the Durham investigation seems spot-on.

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But for all the extravagant claims about how Durham is supposedly on the verge of breaking the case wide open, the big one never comes. For all the current noise about spying on the Trump White House, Sussmann is charged merely with misleading the FBI about who his clients were. Joffe is not charged. Other Clinton-campaign operatives are not charged. Obama officials are not charged. There is no allegation of fraud on the government, or any indictment claiming that the information proffered to make Trump look corrupt was fraudulent.
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chaparral wrote:
Can you explain why we should believe John Ratcliffe?

Sorry, a full day of work, then dinner and a movie with the wife, and there just weren't many reports from which to choose yesterday.

After reading several more articles and analyses today, is Durham really not the straight arrow everyone thought he was, or do they just not like what he has found? Sussman's lawyers are clearly pushing back.

Andrew McCarthy's legal analysis is usually pretty reliable, and his take on the Durham investigation seems spot-on.

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But for all the extravagant claims about how Durham is supposedly on the verge of breaking the case wide open, the big one never comes. For all the current noise about spying on the Trump White House, Sussmann is charged merely with misleading the FBI about who his clients were. Joffe is not charged. Other Clinton-campaign operatives are not charged. Obama officials are not charged. There is no allegation of fraud on the government, or any indictment claiming that the information proffered to make Trump look corrupt was fraudulent.

While the part you highlighted is correct, and well put, McCarthy is off on a few things. There is no indication that Joffe was a "Clinton Operative" or that his monitoring continued into the Trump presidency. Durham is vague on dates but it appears it ended January 17, 2017. There is zero indication that Joffe's work was predicate for the Mueller investigation.

The only thing that is clear is that Trump, Fox News, and the rest of the MAGA media are lying about a lot of this
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Fox News has had this as their top headline all week. Multiple headlines every day about how scandalous this is and how the main stream media refuses to cover it.

Today, nothing. Of the 30 or so headlines that make the front page of Foxnews.com, I'm not seeing any mention of the story. It's a complex story that I haven't taken a bunch of time to dig into, but I'm going to take this as a sign that there is no there, there.

It may not matter, their mission is already accomplished. The base will believe that Hillary was spying on the Trump campaign and I doubt anything will change their mind.
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Thom wrote:
Fox News has had this as their top headline all week. Multiple headlines every day about how scandalous this is and how the main stream media refuses to cover it.

Today, nothing. Of the 30 or so headlines that make the front page of Foxnews.com, I'm not seeing any mention of the story. It's a complex story that I haven't taken a bunch of time to dig into, but I'm going to take this as a sign that there is no there, there.

It may not matter, their mission is already accomplished. The base will believe that Hillary was spying on the Trump campaign and I doubt anything will change their mind.

Isn't it obvious? She was spying so that she could get enough information to help Biden steal the election.
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One of the differences between the Muller team and Durham team is that the press is getting what they're reporting, or not reporting, from court filings not leaks, so Durham is submitting this stuff into the court record as evidence. I don't think many people know outside of the team what Durham has, and he may eventually come up with a nothing burger. That being said what he has released he's done so to a federal court, not to the media, so it has to have some merit.
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One of the differences between the Muller team and Durham team is that the press is getting what they're reporting, or not reporting, from court filings not leaks, so Durham is submitting this stuff into the court record as evidence. I don't think many people know outside of the team what Durham has, and he may eventually come up with a nothing burger. That being said what he has released he's done so to a federal court, not to the media, so it has to have some merit.

I don't have doubts that the investigation has merit. I do have doubts that the investigation is uncovering some sort of Hillary criminal mastermind plot.
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I have as much confidence of her getting prosecuted as I do Trump, as both sides keep coming at both of them and nothing sticks to either. One thing that can be said is that there is enough to say that they're both scumbags.
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yeah.... any linked commentary that uses the term "frothy right" 4x sounds like an unbiased journalistic story kinda like seeing Hillary frothy in he recent comments to get back on the podium. haha
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I have as much confidence of her getting prosecuted as I do Trump, as both sides keep coming at both of them and nothing sticks to either. One thing that can be said is that there is enough to say that they're both scumbags.

When trump was president you really couldnt criminally prosecute him.

Saying they are both scumbags is hugely misleading. It would be like saying BJ Armstrong and Lebron James are both NBA all stars
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yeah.... any linked commentary that uses the term "frothy right" 4x sounds like an unbiased journalistic story kinda like seeing Hillary frothy in he recent comments to get back on the podium. haha

when your prior posts, under several prior user names, generate a "signature" one can use to identify posts made in the future, under your new user accounts, that should tell you something about yourself. that certain banned users keep coming back to a place they're not welcome is its own psychological mystery.

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aka Slowman
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LegoBrandon22 wrote:
yeah.... any linked commentary that uses the term "frothy right" 4x sounds like an unbiased journalistic story kinda like seeing Hillary frothy in he recent comments to get back on the podium. haha

Why? Will the right wing snowflakes be triggered when someone accurately describes their campaign of misinformation as "Frothy"?

Wheeler's analysis is in line with what many experts have confirmed. Here are some more links if you are interested.

https://twitter.com/...7BF5Z3tQyr-0WCOU6_2g
https://www.nytimes.com/...nn-trump-russia.html

It is clear that Trump, the MAGA media, and the echo chamber have been lying about Durham's latest filing. It is reasonable to question their campaign of misinformation.
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One of the differences between the Muller team and Durham team is that the press is getting what they're reporting, or not reporting, from court filings not leaks, so Durham is submitting this stuff into the court record as evidence. I don't think many people know outside of the team what Durham has, and he may eventually come up with a nothing burger. That being said what he has released he's done so to a federal court, not to the media, so it has to have some merit.

What leaks came from the Mueller investigation? I recall lots of false claims of leaks from Trump but like most of what he says that was a lie.
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One of the differences between the Muller team and Durham team is that the press is getting what they're reporting, or not reporting, from court filings not leaks, so Durham is submitting this stuff into the court record as evidence.


I thought Mueller was known for running a pretty tight ship? No one seemed to know what direction he was going or what the full scope of his investigation was before he released The Report. And Mueller certainly didn't formally release anything to the media. To this day, he's only spoken to the media a few times (afaik), and those were to correct major factual inaccuracies being reported.
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A quick google yielded a few examples.



https://www.rollingstone.com/...-obstruction-817555/

https://wjla.com/news/nation-world/25-leaks-about-the-mueller-investigation-and-the-problems-they-may-cause
https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/428018-dem-strategist-says-media-leaks-from-mueller-probe-should-be-taken-with-a-grain
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ECE wrote:
A quick google yielded a few examples.



https://www.rollingstone.com/...-obstruction-817555/

https://wjla.com/news/nation-world/25-leaks-about-the-mueller-investigation-and-the-problems-they-may-cause
https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/428018-dem-strategist-says-media-leaks-from-mueller-probe-should-be-taken-with-a-grain

From the first sentence of the first article, you prove my point, "After nearly two years of tight-lipped silence..."
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One of the differences between the Muller team and Durham team is that the press is getting what they're reporting, or not reporting, from court filings not leaks, so Durham is submitting this stuff into the court record as evidence. I don't think many people know outside of the team what Durham has, and he may eventually come up with a nothing burger. That being said what he has released he's done so to a federal court, not to the media, so it has to have some merit.


Why does Durham submitting in court filings have merit?

Because his filings are very different than what the Mueller special counsel filed. The Sussman indictment for example. It is 27 pages long for a single 1001 (lying to FBI) count. Mueller on the other hand spent 24 pages on Stone’s indictment, for multiple counts of obstruction and 5 1001 charges. Why did Durham spend 27 pages on a single charge, when Mueller was able to do it so many fewer pages for more charges? Especially when you see that the case against Sussman is very weak. So it has a bunch of unneeded information, but not much evidence to show Sussman is guilty.

The likely answer is the Durham don’t need all those pages. He is using people trust in federal filings as a way to launder a political conspiracy theory. I don’t see how that behavior could be interpreted as showing his investigation has merit.

Of course we all remember that his second in command did resign because they believed that the investigation did not have merit and was a political witch hunt, which is backed up by all of Durhams subsequent actions.

Do you think you have a better insight into the investigation than someone working on it?
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chaparral wrote:
ECE wrote:
One of the differences between the Muller team and Durham team is that the press is getting what they're reporting, or not reporting, from court filings not leaks, so Durham is submitting this stuff into the court record as evidence. I don't think many people know outside of the team what Durham has, and he may eventually come up with a nothing burger. That being said what he has released he's done so to a federal court, not to the media, so it has to have some merit.


Why does Durham submitting in court filings have merit?

Because his filings are very different than what the Mueller special counsel filed. The Sussman indictment for example. It is 27 pages long for a single 1001 (lying to FBI) count. Mueller on the other hand spent 24 pages on Stone’s indictment, for multiple counts of obstruction and 5 1001 charges. Why did Durham spend 27 pages on a single charge, when Mueller was able to do it so many fewer pages for more charges? Especially when you see that the case against Sussman is very weak. So it has a bunch of unneeded information, but not much evidence to show Sussman is guilty.

The likely answer is the Durham don’t need all those pages. He is using people trust in federal filings as a way to launder a political conspiracy theory. I don’t see how that behavior could be interpreted as showing his investigation has merit.

Of course we all remember that his second in command did resign because they believed that the investigation did not have merit and was a political witch hunt, which is backed up by all of Durhams subsequent actions.

Do you think you have a better insight into the investigation than someone working on it?

He is absolutely a rear guard laundering conspiracy theories, you are spot on.

If he keeps it up however he’s going to walk Fox News into another billion dollar lawsuit.

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ECE wrote:
A quick google yielded a few examples.



https://www.rollingstone.com/...-obstruction-817555/

https://wjla.com/news/nation-world/25-leaks-about-the-mueller-investigation-and-the-problems-they-may-cause
https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/428018-dem-strategist-says-media-leaks-from-mueller-probe-should-be-taken-with-a-grain

The leaks from the Mueller investigation didn’t come from the Mueller team itself. They came from others.

You can’t expect attorneys for people subpoenaed by the investigation to not leak. And that is why you should be suspicious of leaks, because they are people being investigated and want to get ahead of story.

Why are there less leaks of the Durham investigation, most likely because there are less people being investigated. Less people are involved because there is less to investigate. So less people to leak. And the people that they are investigating don’t have a reason to leak. Because it is in their interest to not give Durham any oxygen, because they don’t fear an actual adverse outcome. Compare to the Mueller investigation, where they knew they had committed crimes, so they wanted to get ahead of that story.
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ECE wrote:
A quick google yielded a few examples.




https://www.rollingstone.com/...-obstruction-817555/

https://wjla.com/news/nation-world/25-leaks-about-the-mueller-investigation-and-the-problems-they-may-cause
https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/428018-dem-strategist-says-media-leaks-from-mueller-probe-should-be-taken-with-a-grain


Did you read those links before you posted them?

The first one is from two years after the investigation was over. It describes the Mueller team as "tight-lipped silence"

The second one cites no actual leaks from Mueller, just talking points from the Trump gang. In fact it points out that "many reporters and legal experts say Mueller himself has remained consistently tight-lipped about his work".


At the time most thought the "Leak" that triggered the article actually came from Trump's team

The third one also does not cite any leaks from Mueller's team. In fact it talks about how honest and ethical he is


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"Everybody who has come into contact with Robert Mueller during the course of his career, with the exception of President Trump, knows that he is overwhelmingly professional and ethical," she said. "He is overwhelmingly ethical, and I think that it takes a long time to build a case."

I have seen no evidence of any leaks from Mueller's team during the investigation.



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yeah.... any linked commentary that uses the term "frothy right" 4x sounds like an unbiased journalistic story kinda like seeing Hillary frothy in he recent comments to get back on the podium. haha

Frothy right is an accurate description.

Following Durham latest filling, Fox News spent the last week devoting 4 days of almost wall to wall coverage. There was no new information there, everything was already in the Sussman indictment. But they treated it like some new revelation. Also all apparently didn’t notice that this crime they are saying happened Durham said was not a crime and also the statute of limitations just tolled a week ago. They of course did not cover other news like trumps accountants saying a decade of financial statements are not be trusted and they are no longer taking his money.

That seems like behavior that can be reasonably called frothy. And they are right. So frothy right is a reasonable description.
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One of the differences between the Muller team and Durham team is that the press is getting what they're reporting, or not reporting, from court filings not leaks, so Durham is submitting this stuff into the court record as evidence. I don't think many people know outside of the team what Durham has, and he may eventually come up with a nothing burger. That being said what he has released he's done so to a federal court, not to the media, so it has to have some merit.



Why does Durham submitting in court filings have merit?

Because his filings are very different than what the Mueller special counsel filed. The Sussman indictment for example. It is 27 pages long for a single 1001 (lying to FBI) count. Mueller on the other hand spent 24 pages on Stone’s indictment, for multiple counts of obstruction and 5 1001 charges. Why did Durham spend 27 pages on a single charge, when Mueller was able to do it so many fewer pages for more charges? Especially when you see that the case against Sussman is very weak. So it has a bunch of unneeded information, but not much evidence to show Sussman is guilty.

The likely answer is the Durham don’t need all those pages. He is using people trust in federal filings as a way to launder a political conspiracy theory. I don’t see how that behavior could be interpreted as showing his investigation has merit.

Of course we all remember that his second in command did resign because they believed that the investigation did not have merit and was a political witch hunt, which is backed up by all of Durhams subsequent actions.

Do you think you have a better insight into the investigation than someone working on it?

I am glad you brought this up. I have read a lot of legal filings over the years and Durham's are some of the ponderous and nonsensical I have seen. He tosses in a bunch of unrelated stuff that appears to be inserted just to fuel the conspiracy theory machine.
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LegoBrandon22 wrote:
yeah.... any linked commentary that uses the term "frothy right" 4x sounds like an unbiased journalistic story kinda like seeing Hillary frothy in he recent comments to get back on the podium. haha


when your prior posts, under several prior user names, generate a "signature" one can use to identify posts made in the future, under your new user accounts, that should tell you something about yourself. that certain banned users keep coming back to a place they're not welcome is its own psychological mystery.


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I don't have doubts that the investigation has merit. I do have doubts that the investigation is uncovering some sort of Hillary criminal mastermind plot.

Hillary is a lawyer. Any masterminding by her will certainly not include breaking any law. She's smarter than that. If Durham's report confirms Hillary is a shrewd trickster, it won't have told us anything we didn't already know.
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Durham Distances Himself From Furor in Right-Wing Media Over Filing
The special counsel implicitly acknowledged that White House internet data he discussed, which conservative outlets have portrayed as proof of spying on the Trump White House, came from the Obama era.
https://www.nytimes.com/...ing-media-trump.html
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the conservative news media treated those sentences in Mr. Durham’s filing as a new revelation while significantly embellishing what it had said. Mr. Durham, some outlets inaccurately reported, had said he had discovered that the Clinton campaign had paid Mr. Joffe’s company to spy on Mr. Trump. But the campaign had not paid his company, and the filing did not say so. Some outlets also quoted Mr. Durham’s filing as using the word “infiltrate,” a word it did not contain.

Most important, the coverage about purported spying on the Trump White House was premised on the idea that the White House network data involved came from when Mr. Trump was president. But Mr. Durham’s filing did not say when it was from.

Lawyers for a Georgia Institute of Technology data scientist who helped analyze the Yota data said on Monday that the data came from the Obama presidency. Mr. Sussmann’s lawyers said the same in a filing on Monday night complaining about Mr. Durham’s conduct.
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Sheesh. I'm embarrassed by my description post above.

Durham clearly played footsie with these notions, as I pretty much only read parts of his court filings, not any media interpretation. Which leads me to believe he intentionally steered me towards the erroneous assumptions he's talking about here.
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I think I may have found a hint as to why Fox has gone quiet on this.

"We can't get distracted, whether it's by the new culture war nonsense or some right-wing lie on Fox or Facebook. They've been coming after me again lately, in case you might have noticed. It's funny, the more trouble Trump gets into, the wilder the charges and conspiracy theories about me seem to get...Fox leads the charge with accusations against me, counting on their audience to fall for it again. And as an aside, they're getting awfully close to actual malice in their attacks."
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I am glad you brought this up. I have read a lot of legal filings over the years and Durham's are some of the ponderous and nonsensical I have seen. He tosses in a bunch of unrelated stuff that appears to be inserted just to fuel the conspiracy theory machine.

If we learned anything from 2020, it’s that documents filed with courts can be filled with factually devoid/ conclusory allegations and legally unsupported arguments. That’s legalese for LIES.

Consider that lawsuits typically have a winner and a loser. That means half of the claims of facts and legal arguments fail. There is a lot of nonsense written into court filings. Do not ever think that because something has been submitted to a court that it automatically has merit.

With Trump-related stuff, it’s probably correct to say that the effort is for PR as much as anything else, but that’s because Trump and GOP INVENT the reality he wants. Propaganda and their legal arguments are one and the same.

I think our best approach is to read as much of the court filings as possible and share the claims here and subject them to a little critical analysis. It will be both interesting and funny. At this point in history, I think anything related to the GOP is just ridiculous. Look at the stupid lawsuit by Palin. Let’s enjoy this carnival!
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Fox has lost almost all interest in this story.

https://twitter.com/...022339234447362?s=21

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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chaparral wrote:
ECE wrote:
One of the differences between the Muller team and Durham team is that the press is getting what they're reporting, or not reporting, from court filings not leaks, so Durham is submitting this stuff into the court record as evidence. I don't think many people know outside of the team what Durham has, and he may eventually come up with a nothing burger. That being said what he has released he's done so to a federal court, not to the media, so it has to have some merit.



Why does Durham submitting in court filings have merit?

Because his filings are very different than what the Mueller special counsel filed. The Sussman indictment for example. It is 27 pages long for a single 1001 (lying to FBI) count. Mueller on the other hand spent 24 pages on Stone’s indictment, for multiple counts of obstruction and 5 1001 charges. Why did Durham spend 27 pages on a single charge, when Mueller was able to do it so many fewer pages for more charges? Especially when you see that the case against Sussman is very weak. So it has a bunch of unneeded information, but not much evidence to show Sussman is guilty.

The likely answer is the Durham don’t need all those pages. He is using people trust in federal filings as a way to launder a political conspiracy theory. I don’t see how that behavior could be interpreted as showing his investigation has merit.

Of course we all remember that his second in command did resign because they believed that the investigation did not have merit and was a political witch hunt, which is backed up by all of Durhams subsequent actions.

Do you think you have a better insight into the investigation than someone working on it?


I am glad you brought this up. I have read a lot of legal filings over the years and Durham's are some of the ponderous and nonsensical I have seen. He tosses in a bunch of unrelated stuff that appears to be inserted just to fuel the conspiracy theory machine.

Not necessarily. Again, McCarthy's opinion might be helpful here.

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In this instance, Durham filed a motion last week asking the presiding judge, Christopher R. “Casey” Cooper, to inquire into a potential conflict of interest borne by Latham & Watkins, the law firm representing defendant Michael Sussmann. ... Prosecutors are duty bound, under court precedents, to raise any potential conflicts involving defense counsel of which they become aware. ... Ergo, conflicts get resolved pretrial.

Here, Durham (who related the applicable law on this subject at pages 5–6 of his motion) has opined that the potential conflicts can probably be addressed by a waiver. And we should stress: To flag a conflict is not to accuse anyone of misconduct; it is to address a contingency lest it become a huge problem.

In order for a judge to understand why there is a conflict, the prosecutor must foreshadow what the evidence will prove. This enables the judge to grasp why the testimony of possible witnesses who are current or former clients of defense counsel matters to the case. That is why Durham had to proffer parts of his case that bear on Perkins-Coie and Elias. If Sussmann is to be permitted to keep L&W as his trial counsel, he must waive the right to claim prejudice from any potential conflict his L&W lawyers have.

If Durham's reputation for being thorough and nonpartisan is deserved, it doesn't make sense to think that he would make something public just to fuel a conspiracy. Wouldn't that undermine the legitimacy of his eventual report? McCarthy's speculation seems more likely.
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The Sussman trial has started, and there have been a few revelations. We'll see how it goes.

https://www.yahoo.com/...-says-200540563.html

https://www.nationalreview.com/...n-the-witness-stand/
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The Sussman trial has started, and there have been a few revelations. We'll see how it goes.

https://www.yahoo.com/...-says-200540563.html

https://www.nationalreview.com/...n-the-witness-stand/

The J6 hearings have begun!

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Sussmann not guilty

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/justice/sussmann-found-not-guilty-in-blow-to-john-durhams-investigation

How embarrassing for the folks who deliberately misrepresented the case, filings, and have pinned their hopes on Sussmann going to prison.
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Sussmann not guilty

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...urhams-investigation

How embarrassing for the folks who deliberately misrepresented the case, filings, and have pinned their hopes on Sussmann going to prison.

The Durham investigation was a successful distraction from the Mueller probe which was a successful distraction from "Russian interference" which was a successful distraction from....

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Sussmann not guilty

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...urhams-investigation

How embarrassing for the folks who deliberately misrepresented the case, filings, and have pinned their hopes on Sussmann going to prison.

It was such a bad case to charge someone. I mean, basically all of Durhams witnesses said something very different under oath previously, but then all of them just happened to change their stories that now make it bad for Sussman. The case really had much more evidence of the witnesses lying under oath than Sussman.

This was all very predictable and just shows how much this is a witch hunt Durham is putting on.
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Durham Inquiry Appears to Wind Down as Grand Jury Expires
The special counsel appointed by the Trump administration to examine the Russia investigation seems to be wrapping up its work with no further charges in store.

https://www.nytimes.com/...ry-trump-russia.html

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When John H. Durham was assigned by the Justice Department in 2019 to examine the origins of the investigation into the 2016 Trump campaign’s ties to Russia, President Donald J. Trump and his supporters expressed a belief that the inquiry would prove that a “deep state” conspiracy including top Obama-era officials had worked to sabotage him.

Now Mr. Durham appears to be winding down his three-year inquiry without anything close to the results Mr. Trump was seeking.


Another right wing fever dream dies.
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Durham Inquiry Appears to Wind Down as Grand Jury Expires
The special counsel appointed by the Trump administration to examine the Russia investigation seems to be wrapping up its work with no further charges in store.

https://www.nytimes.com/...ry-trump-russia.html

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When John H. Durham was assigned by the Justice Department in 2019 to examine the origins of the investigation into the 2016 Trump campaign’s ties to Russia, President Donald J. Trump and his supporters expressed a belief that the inquiry would prove that a “deep state” conspiracy including top Obama-era officials had worked to sabotage him.

Now Mr. Durham appears to be winding down his three-year inquiry without anything close to the results Mr. Trump was seeking.


Another right wing fever dream dies.

He is going to be making so much money on the right wing grift circuit spewing lies.
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Looks like the investigation will go out with a whimper. It's really the FBI that's going to end up with a black eye when all is said and done.

https://www.nationalreview.com/...rove-dossier-claims/
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Um, yeah, sure. The FBI…
The Durham Investigation has been a monumental damp squib.


“But the situation shifted when the defense got to cross-examine Auten. Danchenko’s lawyers highlighted Auten’s previous testimony, given years ago to the Justice Department inspector general and to the Senate Judiciary Committee, which contradicted some of Durham’s claims.

Auten previously said Danchenko was “truthful” and “assisted” the Russia probe. He also said securing Danchenko as an FBI source was “one of the best things that came out of” the Russia probe. This undercuts the core of Durham’s indictment, which alleged that Danchenko serially lied to the FBI and impeded the investigators who were scrambling to verify the Steele dossier.

Danchenko’s defense attorney, Danny Onorato, asked Auten in court on Wednesday if that was still his belief today, and Auten answered in the affirmative, adding, “I stand by my testimony.”

The defense also elicited testimony indicating that Durham cherry-picked material from an FBI memo that Auten wrote, when there was exculpatory information on the very next page.

“And Mr. Durham didn’t take any steps to correct your wrong answer, did he?” Onorato asked.”

https://www.cnn.com/...e-witness/index.html
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Judge drops 1 of 5 charges against Trump-Russia dossier source, in blow to special counsel Durham

https://www.cnn.com/...2-10-14T19%3A45%3A05

What a waste of time and money
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Looks like the investigation will go out with a whimper. It's really the FBI that's going to end up with a black eye when all is said and done.

https://www.nationalreview.com/...rove-dossier-claims/

Really? How many good intel networks have been burned by this fiasco? How many cases of window cancer (defenestration)?

Durham, Lindsey Graham, the former President… those are the black eyes.

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Um, yeah, sure. The FBI…
The Durham Investigation has been a monumental damp squib.


“But the situation shifted when the defense got to cross-examine Auten. Danchenko’s lawyers highlighted Auten’s previous testimony, given years ago to the Justice Department inspector general and to the Senate Judiciary Committee, which contradicted some of Durham’s claims.

Auten previously said Danchenko was “truthful” and “assisted” the Russia probe. He also said securing Danchenko as an FBI source was “one of the best things that came out of” the Russia probe. This undercuts the core of Durham’s indictment, which alleged that Danchenko serially lied to the FBI and impeded the investigators who were scrambling to verify the Steele dossier.

Danchenko’s defense attorney, Danny Onorato, asked Auten in court on Wednesday if that was still his belief today, and Auten answered in the affirmative, adding, “I stand by my testimony.”

The defense also elicited testimony indicating that Durham cherry-picked material from an FBI memo that Auten wrote, when there was exculpatory information on the very next page.

“And Mr. Durham didn’t take any steps to correct your wrong answer, did he?” Onorato asked.”

https://www.cnn.com/...e-witness/index.html

Durham, Russia Gate, Russia Gate Gate, and the Meuller obstruction were all very effective and successful.

Russian source intel networks burned, truth obfuscated, a President elected under shady pretenses, narrative bent into a litmus test for true believers.

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Good thread about what’s really going on with the Durham investigation.

TLDR: all of the 2016 campaigns were crazy weird, the institutional narrative got broken and overcome by the Steele Dossier narrative, by design of hostile foreign power or powers, and the whole fiasco highlights a lot of problems within DOJ and FBI and CIA:

https://twitter.com/...V8KQ1z0YoxSs1kIkmWMw

My own personal commentary is that former President Obama has a lot of explaining to do, no more in charge than W was IMO. If that’s true, if Obama and Bush are analogs, then that makes Biden the first real President since Eisenhower, and that the slow motion coup took 56 years to come to fruition.

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Here is a comparison of the timeline of the Mueller investigation versus the Durham shit show:



Of course the whole thing was bullshit from the start. First, to start an investigation, they needed some level of evidence that a crime had been committed. But they had no evidence, they broke the rules to try and find a crime in the first place. Second, a special council is only allowed to address a conflict of interest with the AG or some other higher up. But there wasn't a conflict of interest here. The reason that a special council was to tie the Biden administrations hands, which is just total abuse of power on Barr's part.


Would have loved for there to have been an investigation into the Clinton investigations. You know the one that was actually started by a foreign person's opposition research (the thing they claimed, but didn't happen to trump). It is just maddening that the GOP complains about something being bad, but then lie and said it happened to trump, when it happened to Clinton.

Barr was a piece of shit that did so much damage and should be in prison.
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The Durham investigation seemed like it was going to go out with a whimper after securing only a single guilty conviction. Then came the Sussman indictment, and now the arrest of Danchenko.

https://www.cbsnews.com/...rested-durham-probe/


It's not yet clear if the connection between Danchenko and a long-time Clinton associate is significant.
https://www.politico.com/...urce-arrested-519498

So much losing.

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A jury on Tuesday found Igor Danchenko — a private researcher who was a primary source for a 2016 dossier of allegations about former president Donald Trump’s ties to Russia — not guilty of lying to the FBI about where he got his information.

The verdict in federal court in Alexandria, Va., is another blow for special counsel John Durham, who has now lost both cases that have gone to trial as part of his nearly 3½-year investigation. Durham, who was asked by Attorney General William P. Barr in 2019 to review the FBI’s investigation of the Trump campaign in 2016, is sure to face renewed pressure to wrap up his work following the verdict.

Trump predicted Durham would uncover “the crime of the century” inside the U.S. law enforcement and intelligence agencies that investigated his campaign’s links to Russia. But so far, no one charged by the special counsel has gone to prison, and only one government employee has pleaded guilty to a criminal offense. In both trials this year, Durham argued that people deceived FBI agents, not that investigators corruptly targeted Trump.

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I don't think people understand just how weak Durham's case was here.

Durham was saying Danchenko lied when he told the FBI in 4 meetings (hence 4 counts) when he said received an anonymous call from someone that he believed to be Sergei Millian, but he was not 100% it was Sergei Millian, only that the person sounded like Sergei Millian.

So even if Durham could have proved that Sergei Millian never called Danchenko, and Durham only partly tried to prove that and mostly tried to deceive the jury by pretending he did, that still doesn't prove Danchenko lied. Durham somehow needed to prove that there was no call at all, which there was no evidence Danchenko made it all up. Real hard to prove a negative here. Durham couldn't even get Sergei Millian to testify it never happened. The FBI agents that interviewed Danchenko on the stand said they believed Danchenko was telling the truth. The agents also said he helped on a large number of other cases and provided information that was confirmed, resulting in him being one of their best Russian sources.

There is no way Durham thought this case was actually winnable, the only reason he did was to spread nonsense conspiracy theories.

The craziest part is if Durham actually got a conviction. Danchenko would have spent less than 1 year in federal prison, then would be deported to Russia. So you would be deporting someone that had worked on a large number of counter intelligence cases for FBI against Russia, to Russia! What do you think is going to happen to Danchenko in Russia exactly? That sounds like a really bad idea to me if you care about national security.

This is such an abuse of power, Durham should personally pay Danchenko's legal fees.
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You got such a boner over this, and now?

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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I don't think people understand just how weak Durham's case was here.

Durham was saying Danchenko lied when he told the FBI in 4 meetings (hence 4 counts) when he said received an anonymous call from someone that he believed to be Sergei Millian, but he was not 100% it was Sergei Millian, only that the person sounded like Sergei Millian.

So even if Durham could have proved that Sergei Millian never called Danchenko, and Durham only partly tried to prove that and mostly tried to deceive the jury by pretending he did, that still doesn't prove Danchenko lied. Durham somehow needed to prove that there was no call at all, which there was no evidence Danchenko made it all up. Real hard to prove a negative here. Durham couldn't even get Sergei Millian to testify it never happened. The FBI agents that interviewed Danchenko on the stand said they believed Danchenko was telling the truth. The agents also said he helped on a large number of other cases and provided information that was confirmed, resulting in him being one of their best Russian sources.

There is no way Durham thought this case was actually winnable, the only reason he did was to spread nonsense conspiracy theories.

The craziest part is if Durham actually got a conviction. Danchenko would have spent less than 1 year in federal prison, then would be deported to Russia. So you would be deporting someone that had worked on a large number of counter intelligence cases for FBI against Russia, to Russia! What do you think is going to happen to Danchenko in Russia exactly? That sounds like a really bad idea to me if you care about national security.

This is such an abuse of power, Durham should personally pay Danchenko's legal fees.

Two federal “ham sandwich” acquittals in one calendar year… he’s the GOAT.

I am pouring one out for all the homies in Dachenko’s network that got burned.

If you’re interested, the conclusion to Russia Gate, Meuller, and Durham is ongoing in the Barrack trial… other end of the elephant.

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You can just look at Durham and know he is weak on this one.

Update: https://www.huffpost.com/...120ee4b03e8038d905e4

Effing trumpists
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chaparral wrote:
I don't think people understand just how weak Durham's case was here.

Agreed. I wonder if Barr and Durham were both true believers, or if Durham got handed a rotten egg by Barr?

tyrod1 wrote:
You can just look at Durham and know he is weak on this one.

Update: https://www.huffpost.com/...120ee4b03e8038d905e4

It's definitely harder to secure a conviction than to extract cash from a Clinton for a shoddy dossier.
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BLeP wrote:
You got such a boner over this, and now?

I started the thread, but I don't think I made even a single prediction. Maybe this post will help.
https://forum.slowtwitch.com/...ost=7771678#p7771678
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chaparral wrote:
I don't think people understand just how weak Durham's case was here.


Agreed. I wonder if Barr and Durham were both true believers, or if Durham got handed a rotten egg by Barr?

Pretty clear from Durham's closing argument he is a true believer in right wing fever dreams.
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Like most people Trump goes after, he wanted to execute them.

https://twitter.com/.../1492646490346598404
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TMI wrote:
BLeP wrote:
You got such a boner over this, and now?

I started the thread, but I don't think I made even a single prediction. Maybe this post will help.
https://forum.slowtwitch.com/...ost=7771678#p7771678

I can take a joke, but I thought you could, too. No hard feelings? (pun intended)
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TMI wrote:
TMI wrote:
BLeP wrote:
You got such a boner over this, and now?

I started the thread, but I don't think I made even a single prediction. Maybe this post will help.
https://forum.slowtwitch.com/...ost=7771678#p7771678

I can take a joke, but I thought you could, too. No hard feelings? (pun intended)

I am not upset. Didn’t have much of a comeback for that.

Claim victory.

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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Barr Pressed Durham to Find Flaws in the Russia Investigation. It Didn’t Go Well.
The review by John Durham at one point veered into a criminal investigation related to Donald Trump himself, even as it failed to find wrongdoing in the origins of the Russia inquiry.

Barr Pressed Durham to Find Flaws in the Trump Russia Investigation - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

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Interviews by The Times with more than a dozen current and former officials have revealed an array of previously unreported episodes that show how the Durham inquiry became roiled by internal dissent and ethical disputes as it went unsuccessfully down one path after another even as Mr. Trump and Mr. Barr promoted a misleading narrative of its progress.

  • Mr. Barr and Mr. Durham never disclosed that their inquiry expanded in the fall of 2019, based on a tip from Italian officials, to include a criminal investigation into suspicious financial dealings related to Mr. Trump. The specifics of the tip and how they handled the investigation remain unclear, but Mr. Durham brought no charges over it.

  • Mr. Durham used Russian intelligence memos — suspected by other U.S. officials of containing disinformation — to gain access to emails of an aide to George Soros, the financier and philanthropist who is a favorite target of the American right and Russian state media. Mr. Durham used grand jury powers to keep pursuing the emails even after a judge twice rejected his request for access to them. The emails yielded no evidence that Mr. Durham has cited in any case he pursued.

  • There were deeper internal fractures on the Durham team than previously known. The publicly unexplained resignation in 2020 of his No. 2 and longtime aide, Nora R. Dannehy, was the culmination of a series of disputes between them over prosecutorial ethics. A year later, two more prosecutors strongly objected to plans to indict a lawyer with ties to Hillary Clinton’s 2016 campaign based on evidence they warned was too flimsy, and one left the team in protest of Mr. Durham’s decision to proceed anyway. (A jury swiftly acquitted the lawyer.)

Basically Durham was doing exactly what Trump was accusing the FBI of doing with the Steel dossier.


Funny how the folks that were giddy about the prospects of "Durham Day" are silent about this massive waste of money
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It's unbeleivable.



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It's unbeleivable.

It is really disgusting. The part about Durham pressured IG Horowitz to change his finding that the Russia investigation had been opened properly is just nuts.

The people that said Barr is a partisan hack have been proven right.......again.
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It's unbeleivable.


It is really disgusting. The part about Durham pressured IG Horowitz to change his finding that the Russia investigation had been opened properly is just nuts.

The people that said Barr is a partisan hack have been proven right.......again.

And choosing not to correct the public's understanding that Durham was closing in on criminal charges against [the FBI / deep-state boogeyman of your choice] when in fact he was (presumably reluctantly) having to look at yet another instance of likely criminal wrongdoing by TFG.



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Fox News has had this as their top headline all week. Multiple headlines every day about how scandalous this is and how the main stream media refuses to cover it.


Today, nothing. Of the 30 or so headlines that make the front page of Foxnews.com, I'm not seeing any mention of the story. It's a complex story that I haven't taken a bunch of time to dig into, but I'm going to take this as a sign that there is no there, there.

It may not matter, their mission is already accomplished. The base will believe that Hillary was spying on the Trump campaign and I doubt anything will change their mind.


Don't image this will make it to Foxnews either...

"In 2019, then-Attorney General Bill Barr sought to look into the origins of the Trump-Russia investigation in hopes of proving it was a "witch hunt," but his efforts took an unexpected turn, The New York Times reported on Thursday. Instead, a tip from Italian officials led the Justice Department to quietly open a probe into shady financial deals linked to then-President Donald Trump".

"https://news.yahoo.com/...-name-210419558.html"
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The insane thing that is important here is that Barr and Durham essentially did exactly what they hinted Mueller/the FBI might have done, relying on dubiously sourced intelligence as an excuse to go on a fishing expedition. The whole Durham “investigation” was doing the exact wrong doing they were supposed to be “investigating”!

Barr was some an evil and dangerous person.
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chaparral wrote:
The insane thing that is important here is that Barr and Durham essentially did exactly what they hinted Mueller/the FBI might have done, relying on dubiously sourced intelligence as an excuse to go on a fishing expedition. The whole Durham “investigation” was doing the exact wrong doing they were supposed to be “investigating”!

Barr was some an evil and dangerous person.

If you listen to a malignant narcissist and what they accuse you of, they will tell you exactly what they are doing.

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
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chaparral wrote:
The insane thing that is important here is that Barr and Durham essentially did exactly what they hinted Mueller/the FBI might have done, relying on dubiously sourced intelligence as an excuse to go on a fishing expedition. The whole Durham “investigation” was doing the exact wrong doing they were supposed to be “investigating”!

Barr was some an evil and dangerous person.

I don't know the law, but it certainly seems like Barr would have some legal issues here. It's a shame the House will be too busy investigating Hunter and Fauci to take a look at this.

It's scary to think he became one of the voices of reason after Jan 6.
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chaparral wrote:
The insane thing that is important here is that Barr and Durham essentially did exactly what they hinted Mueller/the FBI might have done, relying on dubiously sourced intelligence as an excuse to go on a fishing expedition. The whole Durham “investigation” was doing the exact wrong doing they were supposed to be “investigating”!

Barr was some an evil and dangerous person.

I don't know the law, but it certainly seems like Barr would have some legal issues here. It's a shame the House will be too busy investigating Hunter and Fauci to take a look at this.

It's scary to think he became one of the voices of reason after Jan 6.

I doubt he has any real legal issues here. Unfortunately laws are written by lawyers and judges that make other policies are also lawyers, so the system is set up to protect lawyers. The bar to prosecute a prosecutor is insanely high.
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Instead, a tip from Italian officials led the Justice Department to quietly open a probe into shady financial deals linked to then-President Donald Trump".

It'd be interesting to eventually learn more about that. Because I wouldn't fully trust Barr/Durham to run that one properly to ground.

But yet another example of a Special Counsel investigation taking a fork in the road. Like Starr being appointed to investigate real-estate transactions, then deciding to investigate blow jobs.
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... Like Starr being appointed to investigate real-estate transactions, then deciding to investigate blow jobs.

Can't say I necessarily blame Starr for that; one of these is more titillating than the other. </p>
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Trumps campaign manager was in constant contact with Russian intelligence throughout the campaign. He shared with them swing state micro targeting data……Hillary made him do it.
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That's a little misleading - it implies that there was a plan and that Obama and Biden were enlisted into it. The complaint in the report is that Obama and Biden might have been told Clinton was trying to link Trump to Russia and that that idea, that “might have” received less scrutiny than the idea that Trump “might have” colluded with Russia. That contrived contrast is one of the bases for Durham’s long telegraphed conclusion that the FBI was unfair and biased.

That collusion by Trump was unprovable had pretty much been accepted for a long time. And in investigating the king and missing the FBI have proved the adage and had to eat it.

But as best I can tell so far, this is the longest and most expensive opinion piece in history. With one suspended law license and 10bn tweets all anyone has to show for it.

Whimper indeed.



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What exactly is the problem here? What exactly was wrong with briefing Obama and Biden?
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That's a little misleading - it implies that there was a plan and that Obama and Biden were enlisted into it. The complaint in the report is that Obama and Biden might have been told Clinton was trying to link Trump to Russia and that that idea, that “might have” received less scrutiny than the idea that Trump “might have” colluded with Russia. That contrived contrast is one of the bases for Durham’s long telegraphed conclusion that the FBI was unfair and biased.

That collusion by Trump was unprovable had pretty much been accepted for a long time. And in investigating the king and missing the FBI have proved the adage and had to eat it.

But as best I can tell so far, this is the longest and most expensive opinion piece in history. With one suspended law license and 10bn tweets all anyone has to show for it.

Whimper indeed.

I am beginning to think Durham's investigation of CIA torture under Bush may not have been on the level.
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did you even read the first sentence of that Daily Mail Article? It's on MSN, but it comes from the Daily Fail.

"Russian intelligence analysis suggesting that 2016 presidential candidate Hillary Clinton had personally approved a plan to 'vilify' her opponent Donald Trump by claiming foreign interference in the election was briefed to President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden, according to the Durham report."


Yes, the evidence that this is all Hillary comes from the very trustworthy Russians - and they just "suggested" it.


additionally - "Hillary's plan" in the headline suddenly becomes " the 'alleged approval by Hillary Clinton" in the article.
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Forget the Russians. Testimony under oath from Mook is a better source for the story.

https://www.politico.com/...info-to-fbi-00034115

“Going to the FBI does not seem like a very effective way to get that information out to the public. We do that through the media,” he said.

Mook said that after discussions at the highest levels of the campaign, they decided to do just that. He also said that somewhere around that time he informed Clinton personally and she concurred.

“I discussed it with Hillary as well,” Mook said. “She agreed to that. ... She thought we made the right decision.”

https://www.cbsnews.com/...tigation-robby-mook/
Clinton was briefed about the decision to go to the press with the allegations in the fall of 2016, and according to Mook, "she thought we made the right decision."

https://www.cnn.com/...-mook-fbi/index.html

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The quote "personally approved" seems to be after the fact, not necessarily that Hillary came up with the plan to route the story to the media instead of the FBI.
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TMI wrote:
Forget the Russians. Testimony under oath from Mook is a better source for the story.

https://www.politico.com/...info-to-fbi-00034115

“Going to the FBI does not seem like a very effective way to get that information out to the public. We do that through the media,” he said.

Mook said that after discussions at the highest levels of the campaign, they decided to do just that. He also said that somewhere around that time he informed Clinton personally and she concurred.

“I discussed it with Hillary as well,” Mook said. “She agreed to that. ... She thought we made the right decision.”

https://www.cbsnews.com/...tigation-robby-mook/
Clinton was briefed about the decision to go to the press with the allegations in the fall of 2016, and according to Mook, "she thought we made the right decision."

https://www.cnn.com/...-mook-fbi/index.html

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The quote "personally approved" seems to be after the fact, not necessarily that Hillary came up with the plan to route the story to the media instead of the FBI.

I am failing to see the problem here.
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TMI wrote:
Forget the Russians. Testimony under oath from Mook is a better source for the story.

https://www.politico.com/...info-to-fbi-00034115

“Going to the FBI does not seem like a very effective way to get that information out to the public. We do that through the media,” he said.

Mook said that after discussions at the highest levels of the campaign, they decided to do just that. He also said that somewhere around that time he informed Clinton personally and she concurred.

“I discussed it with Hillary as well,” Mook said. “She agreed to that. ... She thought we made the right decision.”

https://www.cbsnews.com/...tigation-robby-mook/
Clinton was briefed about the decision to go to the press with the allegations in the fall of 2016, and according to Mook, "she thought we made the right decision."

https://www.cnn.com/...-mook-fbi/index.html

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The quote "personally approved" seems to be after the fact, not necessarily that Hillary came up with the plan to route the story to the media instead of the FBI.

Isn’t that pretty much the opposite of the supposed scandal? That is, rather than try to get Obama to use the FBI against Trump, Hillary preferred going directly to the public.
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TMI wrote:
Forget the Russians. Testimony under oath from Mook is a better source for the story.

https://www.politico.com/...info-to-fbi-00034115

“Going to the FBI does not seem like a very effective way to get that information out to the public. We do that through the media,” he said.

Mook said that after discussions at the highest levels of the campaign, they decided to do just that. He also said that somewhere around that time he informed Clinton personally and she concurred.

“I discussed it with Hillary as well,” Mook said. “She agreed to that. ... She thought we made the right decision.”

https://www.cbsnews.com/...tigation-robby-mook/
Clinton was briefed about the decision to go to the press with the allegations in the fall of 2016, and according to Mook, "she thought we made the right decision."

https://www.cnn.com/...-mook-fbi/index.html

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The quote "personally approved" seems to be after the fact, not necessarily that Hillary came up with the plan to route the story to the media instead of the FBI.


Isn’t that pretty much the opposite of the supposed scandal? That is, rather than try to get Obama to use the FBI against Trump, Hillary preferred going directly to the public.

Well, once the story had gone public via the media, what choice did the FBI have but to investigate? Of course, I am assuming that Mook is telling the truth in this matter.
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Durham burned four years and $6.5M taxpayer dollars......and he burned his reputation.
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Durham burned four years and $6.5M taxpayer dollars......and he burned his reputation.

#ETTD

Suffer Well.
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TMI wrote:
Forget the Russians. Testimony under oath from Mook is a better source for the story.

https://www.politico.com/...info-to-fbi-00034115

“Going to the FBI does not seem like a very effective way to get that information out to the public. We do that through the media,” he said.

Mook said that after discussions at the highest levels of the campaign, they decided to do just that. He also said that somewhere around that time he informed Clinton personally and she concurred.

“I discussed it with Hillary as well,” Mook said. “She agreed to that. ... She thought we made the right decision.”

https://www.cbsnews.com/...tigation-robby-mook/
Clinton was briefed about the decision to go to the press with the allegations in the fall of 2016, and according to Mook, "she thought we made the right decision."

https://www.cnn.com/...-mook-fbi/index.html

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The quote "personally approved" seems to be after the fact, not necessarily that Hillary came up with the plan to route the story to the media instead of the FBI.



How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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ike wrote:
TMI wrote:
Forget the Russians. Testimony under oath from Mook is a better source for the story.

https://www.politico.com/...info-to-fbi-00034115

“Going to the FBI does not seem like a very effective way to get that information out to the public. We do that through the media,” he said.

Mook said that after discussions at the highest levels of the campaign, they decided to do just that. He also said that somewhere around that time he informed Clinton personally and she concurred.

“I discussed it with Hillary as well,” Mook said. “She agreed to that. ... She thought we made the right decision.”

https://www.cbsnews.com/...tigation-robby-mook/
Clinton was briefed about the decision to go to the press with the allegations in the fall of 2016, and according to Mook, "she thought we made the right decision."

https://www.cnn.com/...-mook-fbi/index.html

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The quote "personally approved" seems to be after the fact, not necessarily that Hillary came up with the plan to route the story to the media instead of the FBI.


Isn’t that pretty much the opposite of the supposed scandal? That is, rather than try to get Obama to use the FBI against Trump, Hillary preferred going directly to the public.

Well, once the story had gone public via the media, what choice did the FBI have but to investigate? Of course, I am assuming that Mook is telling the truth in this matter.

The FBI should have ample discretion whether or not to pursue an investigation prompted by allegations that politicians hurl at each other. But, if it chose to investigate based on its assessment, rather than pressure from Hillary or Obama, it’s hard to see any scandal here.
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The FBI should have ample discretion whether or not to pursue an investigation prompted by allegations that politicians hurl at each other. But, if it chose to investigate based on its assessment, rather than pressure from Hillary or Obama, it’s hard to see any scandal here.


You're just not looking hard enough. Maybe try Fox News. All these headlines are currently on the Fox News front page. Laura Ingraham called it bigger than Watergate. It's not hard to see why their fans think there is something real there.




Fired FBI agent claims Durham probe 'never should have taken place'


IRS reportedly removes ‘entire investigative team’ in Hunter Biden probe


Bombshell Durham report confirms FBI, DOJ had radical motives


Sen Lindsey Graham demands hearing on Durham report


Disgraced ex-FBI agent reacts to Durham report on Trump-Russia collusion with victory lap
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ike wrote:


The FBI should have ample discretion whether or not to pursue an investigation prompted by allegations that politicians hurl at each other. But, if it chose to investigate based on its assessment, rather than pressure from Hillary or Obama, it’s hard to see any scandal here.


You're just not looking hard enough. Maybe try Fox News. All these headlines are currently on the Fox News front page. Laura Ingraham called it bigger than Watergate. It's not hard to see why their fans think there is something real there.




Fired FBI agent claims Durham probe 'never should have taken place'


IRS reportedly removes ‘entire investigative team’ in Hunter Biden probe


Bombshell Durham report confirms FBI, DOJ had radical motives


Sen Lindsey Graham demands hearing on Durham report


Disgraced ex-FBI agent reacts to Durham report on Trump-Russia collusion with victory lap


Can the FBI sue the shit out of Fox like Dominion did?

Suffer Well.
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What will always be bonkers to me is that Mueller's investigation lasted less than 2 years, while the Durham report lasted around 3.

What was the end result of the report, Durham said a preliminary investigation should have been opened and not a full investigation?

It seems like this was an easy way out for Durham to get trump what he wanted (saying that the full investigation should have been brought - while Durham covers himself because he couldnt say no investigation should have been brought). These seems like an obvious way out when you were picked by trump to run the investigation.

All of this is so dumb, it would be like people arguing HRC was correct to have a private server because Comey said "no reasonable prosecutor would prosecute."
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