I think I saw a post on this last week

Saw that same article this AM.

The horror!!! Technology that's 2 years old!!!!

The question is then, what is included to entice us to upgrade besides GarminPay? As far as I can tell, the 935 is just about everything I could ask for in a Tri focused, 24/7 watch. Just wish the barometric pressure sensor didn't die....

Music?

I love my 935. As you said, it's everything I could ask for a Tri watch. But I wouldn't mind having Gamin Pay (I live in Boston and contactless payment is widely accepted). Music would also be a good addition. Not deal breaker for sure.

If there was one thing I'd LOVE to see on the new 935 is “dual-frequency” GNSS support. This is the most promising enhancements to position accuracy in many years.

Give us an option where it has a silver crown and a black band so it's not colored like parts from kid's box of spare Legos and I'll be interested.

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This would be funny if there weren't people here that agreed with you :p

And just think, I'm still using the 910..........

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This was mainly a 910/920XT problem. The 935 can be all black if you don't get the tri bundle.... and if you want the silver crown, you can buy the Fenix line. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I assume so and this would be my primary reason to consider it, BUT I have written several times on here that the blue tooth connectivity of the 645 music is a pile of garbage. If Garmin figures that out (without qualifiers like “only works with certain BT earphones” and “ watch must be on a certain side of your body to function” and “works indoors but not outdoor running” etc), I’m on board.

Yep, I'm with you on that. If it works well I will prob finally upgrade from my 4 y/o 920xt. That thing just works and does everything I need it to do. But music would be great, and it will also be nice to have a watch I would actually wear when not training too.

For most BT headphones the right ear bud is the master, i.e. it receives the signal from the sending device, be that your phone or watch. Therefore, putting the watch on your right hand will usually result in a better, more stable connection.

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(1) I understand
(2) this is an unacceptable qualifier in my opinion (my iPod works fine everywhere on my body)
(3) regardless, I tried every combination of watch location with the 645 with 3-4 different sets of earbuds and it failed each time. Sometimes no connectivity, sometimes ok while standing still or walking but cut out when running etc. I wrote about this in more detail in other threads.

and the Wifi might even work!

Me too. I'm clearly in the minority but I don't think there's been a meaningful improvement since then (for me anyways) to justify shelling out the cash.

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Value is highly personal, but for me, optical heart has been a game changer and the lone reason I went from my 910 to the 935.

Anyone know when Garmin typically releases products to have an idea of when we might expect announcement if it’s for real?

That's exactly what I did. It's a little heavy and I had to buy a black band to swap out that grey/blue one, but I finally got the combo that looks more like it costs what it actually does instead of a cheapo watch from walmart. I get compliments on it at the office all the time. Looks fantastic.

Here it is with an Omega Seamaster face on it.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BnfEePmF44T/

And here it is just out of the pool.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BrVsDnDDTM_/

The 920XT was in the fall, but the last two multisport watches (735XT and 935) were announced right around now-- 2Q of their respective years. Given that Garmin allegedly glitched their own website with a model name and image content, I would guess that the announcement is any day now.

Blind speculation here, but on the DC Rainmaker podcast, he mentioned he was testing a few watches for reviews that will come out in the April/May timeframe. This was in reference to specific watches, but I wouldn't be surprised if the 945 was among those he was testing.

The Sea Otter Classic is on April 11, so I wouldn't be surprised if the 945 gets announced there.

Release date will be the same day as the FR955 rumours start.

As above, I went from 910 to 935 and am very happy with what it does. I guess I may use the pay feature for my post ride coffee, but only maybe. I got the brown leather strap and got a lot of postive comments. However, I forgot my rubber strap for two separate swim sessions and that killed the strap pretty quickly - went brittle and snapped. So just using the black one which looks fine.

agreed, there isn't much I'd change.

I did actually have the baro sensor die on my 935 about three weeks ago.

Of course Garmin replaced it without charge despite it being well outside the warranty time frame. Hell, I got the 935 for free when my 920 died and got the 920 free after multiple 910 deaths.

Garmin is rock solid on the support front.

I don't think there's anything wrong with the 910. I initially went from 310xt to 920xt primarily for lap swim feature. I've never found the connect iq apps particularly useful for me. I recently upgraded to the 935 as I liked the looks of it better than the 920xt and liked the longer battery life. Its definitely nicer. But I don't use most of the features that it offers. That was the same with the 920xt. So really more a want than need.

Ha! I'm still running a Forerunner 920XT! If you really want to be scared, I use an Edge 500 on my cyclocross bike. I literally don't need anything else. I'm not sure I can think of a single feature on any device that I feel like I would actually use.

I had no idea this was a thing. I'm definitely going to try it out! Thanks for the life hack!

I was really hoping they would go back to the square-face design of the 920 XT and previous models. I avoided the 935 for the round face

I need to try to keep my 920xt going for a few more years.

I thought the same thing, but the screen quality on the 935 is so much better than the 920, it is totally worth the change. The colors are amazing in comparison.

Disagree with this. Had a battery issue about 14 months after purchasing a 735XT. Ended up having to pay 50% of new watch cost for a replacement. I appreciate the watch was outside warranty, but that felt a really short period of time for a watch to crap out and would have expected a bit more goodwill from Garmin.

I've never had the slightest bit of trouble reading my 920, but even so, all they need to do is make a square one with that screen quality and it's the best of both worlds.

I’d call back and talk to someone else next time. They have been nothing but good to me

BLE 4.0 is rated up to 100 meters, BLE 5.0 to 300 meters. I use a BLE headset for work and can walk at least 50 feet away from my PC without any dropouts or distortion. If you are having issues with dropouts or distortion where putting the watch on the right hand vs the left then there are some serious design flaws with whatever devices you are using.

I also use westone earbuds with a westone bluetooth cable outdoors biking and running and haven't had any dropouts using an iphone X in my pocket.

I suspect the biggest issue with any watch streaming music is that it's too low power. For obvious reasons, they probably use the lowest possible power usage and it most likely hinders it's functionality.

Also, you can have an issue picking up bluetooth and Ant signals outdoors when it's fine indoors. If you're outside and your body (mostly water, absorbs/blocks signal) is between your device and your headphones, it can block the signal. Indoors, the signal bounces off walls and gets picked up by your headphones just fine. This is why people can get very frustrated and disappointed when they try to use their wireless stuff outdoors when it worked fine in their training cave. I used to have a watch that wouldn't pick up my powertab hub outdoors in the aero position because too much of my body was between the two. But it worked fine indoors.

I have read the reasoning for this before. But the bottom line is that Garmin is selling a Running watch that doesn’t properly function outdoors. And in a gym, may have connectivity issues because there are so many other devices around. Got it. I hope they figure it out as I would (in fact did with the 645) pay extra to have one less thing (iPod or iPhone) to carry on my person when I run. But Garmin has got to figure this out first.

Assuming the 945 does come with music - can anyone with a "Garmin music watch" already comment on audio quality? (available codec's, bitrate etc).

I have commented here and in other threads on the 645. Are you only wanting specs?

I don't disagree with your opinion. And I don't know if the Garmin watch music function works or not... I use an iPhone and airpods. I prefer to have a camera with me at all times to take pictures of nature or an incident if I have to. And the phone is handy as well. Until the watch takes pictures and makes calls, I'm probably still taking my phone with me anyway. I think the iPhone -Airpods combo probably has fewer issues than the Garmin watch because of the signal power the phone can crank out vs just a watch... along with whatever "miracle" engineering apple has put into their products. They do have far superior signal than any wireless headphone combo I've ever used before. Not sure Garmin can match Apple's R&D budget in that area.

i have a Fenix 5x Plus. The music is awesome. Has a few issues when running under power lines near my home but once away from them I have no issues. Same when cycling.

Things I do to speed up connection to my Jaybird X3 headphones:

Turn off Bluetooth on my phone as they try to connect to that first.

And that’s it. Connects quickly and works as advertised.

I can’t comment about codecs and bitrates but the sound seems fine. It’s not a high end sound system after all.

If you’re an audiophile you’re going to be disappointed. If you just want to listen to music, podcasts, whatever then it’s great.

I randomly will get a bad connection with my $12 BT headphones. If I turn them off and reconnect then all is good.

I have it on my left hand and have had zero issues with solid connection. I’m not convinced that DFW Tri didn’t just get a bum unit.

I still fantasize about brands moving back to the [Dot matrix? I don't know] screens like the Ambit 3 had. Although these new color screens are absolutely improving, the direct sunlight performance has always left me wanting. They look great on boxes, though, and that sells.

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in the US maybe.
i'm in NZ. i also had my 935 barometer die, well within warranty. it took a couple of months of fighting to get response from garmin before they eventually agreed to replace it - not so much failing to honor warranty as just messing me around. they then left me with no watch for nearly 2 weeks while they went through their returns process before sending me out a reconditioned watch.
this is after i bought my 935 having had my 920 GPS become unreliable and since it was out of warranty they were only willing to charge me a significant amount for a reconditioned 920.

i'd drop garmin in a heartbeat if there was any real competition

Did not need to hear that... Jsut noticed my HR is cracked and need support. Last time I dealt with them I 'simply' bought a strap and HRM strap. Net result was being charged twice and taking 4 months and upwards of 10 phone calls / emails to get refunded. And note I was paying a premium to buy from Garmin direct thinking it would be hassle/risk free In fairness that's good business by them as I'm more tempted to buy a new one than go through the pain of a warranty replacement.

This is what worries me about the Tacx/Garmin merger. The unreliability of Tacx with the naff support (in NZ) of Garmin.

sorry!
there is actually no garmin support in NZ, its run out of Australia which is why the phone line is only available in the afternoon. or i was emailing with someone in the UK which meant even slower than usual replies

Yeah, that's where the problems started. There was a cockup between the website and order team in Aus, and the local warehouse in NZ that posted it. But then it turned into a comedy as it seems they didn't have the ability to refund in NZ$. The 4th person I spoke to honestly said "Let me explain how internet commerce works...". At which point my blood boiled and I explained in relatively simple terms to the 18 year old call centre employee that I pretty much had the basics, - customer orders, pays, get the goods. What assisted me in having the ability to fritter $1000 on a watch is the job I've had which does require some basic mental competency, such that the alternate that they had delivered - customer orders, customer told order cancelled for no reason, customer charged twice, customer pays for shipping of second set of goods, customer not refunded for either goods or shipping for 4 months is not textbook of internet commerce. There was then 20 minutes of "please can I speak to your supervisor" "no" "please can I speak to your supervisor", "no" etc. Admittedlywhen I did speak to his supervisor he was as inept, albeit slightly less offensive.

Anyway back on topic, which Suunto do I get to replace the 935.....

So, here's my situation...... Bought a Fenix 5X Plus, returned it in under a week after I saw that the GPS was indeed way off as mentioned in another thread.

I'm using my beat up no-longer-waterproof 310xt for now, wondering whether to hold out for the 945 and see what's what, or if I should go ahead with a 935 if I don't care about contactless payments.

Seems to be a lot of 935 users in here - how have you found the GPS accuracy?

I've had zero complaints. I did get some crappy OW swims for a few weeks, but that was a specific weird case of swimming with the dual gonlass/GPS setting on, at the arse end of the world and in the shadow of volcano, and not starting it before I got into the water. I turned that back to 'just' gps and it's been flawless.

Honestly, no complaints about features, accuracy, comfort or anything. I was worried about battery life for IM but ended up with >50% left at the finish which makes that initial worry moot.

I can be a bit picky with audio quality but I wouldn't consider myself an audiophile by any stretch - but I can be very picky about earbuds!

NFC and music are nice to have (which I'd use intermittently) I'm more interested in a larger & crisper screen - one that extends further towards the outer bezel rather than having a 4mm ring of empty space,

I'll be upgrading from a Fenix 3 - I've held off from the 935 as it felt like I'd only be paying out for a weight reduction, but online prices seem to be dropping now - I'll go for one of those if the 945 isn't a decent step forward...

Then you’ll be fine I think with audio on it. Especially working out where I’m working out - not lounging to enjoy Dvorak.

I came from a 920xt and like the screen on the Fenix5+ a lot. So I bet a Fenix 3 to the 945 will be equally good of an upgrade.

I just bought a 935 after 6 years using my 910 which is still going strong on my kids arm.

I loved this part..."the long awaited update to the 935 multi-sports watch"

https://the5krunner.com/...usic-maps-confirmed/

Holy crap the new 945 is going to be expensive. $600 bills for the watch and $750 for the HRM package.

Seems too steep when Fenix 5 Plus is only $50 more for a lot more features.

I think the sweet spot would have been $500 for the 945.

Yeah, the current 935 is priced at $500, and I was crossing my fingers for only a moderate to no price increase. Nope. Garmin is going for it with a $100 price increase!

Sounds about right for addition of music (if it actually works this time)

Yeah... Clicking that pre-order button is going to sting. My 735XT is 3 years old, so I figure it is nearing its end of life for me. This is my planned upgrade path, but I will have to close my eyes when I submit the order. I think I paid $250 for my 305 back in 2006 or 2007, so the prices of these suckers have multiplied 2.4 times in about 12 years. Garmin is beating the stock market.

Music works fine on my Fenix 5x Plus....

In fact my watch works perfectly and as advertised. Maybe I’m the exception

Yes i have written about this several times. It clearly works for some. And I guess if your combination of earbuds and how/where you use them works, then you have no issue with the product. But, it doesn’t work for all which is clearly an issue.

There are a lot of suckers who seem to enjoy paying crazy amounts for features with no proven value (like all the training load and recovery stuff they license from first beat).

wall street started wearing garmins to show that they're also into fitness...prices will continue going up.

Yeah... $600 for the baseline model is, in my opinion, too much. I'm VERY disappointed by that. Yes, I do appreciate Garmin Pay and Music, but I'm not sure I'm willing to pay $100 for that. That's an interesting move from Garmin since Wahoo is (supposedly) getting into the triathlon watch bandwagon very soon (if the5krunner is to be believed, he briefly talked about a ceramic watch (light material) coming out in the next 4 weeks or so..). If Wahoo manages to release a competent, reliable and affordable watch, Garmin might be forced to change their strategy. The Wahoo's brand is very well known to triathletes and a good amount of them, already have a Kickers and/or a Bolt. I've been a Garmin fanboy for a long time, but I also love competition and spend less money. Let's see..

I don’t get it either. I guess they figure triathlon people are willing to pay $100 more for same watch + pay and music.

For $50 more the Fenix is a no brainer. I just don’t get this price point at all.

I think I missed something. Where was the pricing announced?

Clever Training leaked the pricing & specs on their website a couple days ago.

For me, my watch is also my bike computer. I have the quick release accessory which they stopped making for the Fenix series.

I would have bought the 735 but no quick release.

My previous watch was the 920. I might skip the 945.

Oof. I see it now.

This seems to really open the door for Wahoo, I think. They could really make a splash and pull Garmin users on the fence about paying that steep upgrade price.

https://www.activejr.com/...and-45-specs-leaked/

$750 for a running watch? That is absolutely ridiculous. Fitness watches are becoming like smartphones now...

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Garmin: "Hold my beer."

but even less reliable. i've had 2 high-end garmins die on me within 8 months and both times had poor support from garmin. at these sort of prices they need to improve on both those fronts as well as providing some meaningful functional or practical improvements. as it stands, my 935 will probably die before it should and i will be forced to buy a new garmin. however if wahoo do enter the market with a strong option then i will likely give that a go and would then ditch my garmin edge bike computer for a wahoo too so a double hit to garmin

While you might think the price does not provide sufficient value, clearly others do.

Guessing you're not in the market for one of these then Garmin Marq Collection?

If you cannot see the value from paying the purchase price for any product then obviously you need to consider other alternatives that meet your criteria for value and price.

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Agree - it's a little eye-watering.

I'll be interested to see DC Rainmaker's inevitable comparison video between the 935 & 945. Would I be right in thinking the 945 has an updated screen to accommodate the maps?

I don’t need or want a bunch of the stuff it does (like music). I don’t want a smart watch, I want a high quality multi-sport watch - and of course those exist.

Also, everything I have owned from Garmin (5 devices) has had serious reliability issues.

0 chance I will buy this. I MIGHT buy a cheap 920 or 935 if those prices drop because of the 945. I doubt it, however, because of my previously stated reliability issues with Garmin products.

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I did.
And as a result I've gone got myself a Polar Vantage.
Just got to extract MY data from Garmin's clutches.

you can at least get it out (to Dropbox or other)
https://tapiriik.com/faq

I have a 910 that's still going after 7 years now. I just got a 935 and really like it. Wife has a 910 and it crapped out. Garmin sent her a new one free. I skip generations and by looking at the 945 differences from the 935 I don't see a justification for the price jump.

I'm making myself feel old when I say "I remember when..." the Ambit3 Peak (upper end model) was $500. The Sport, with all it's tri-specific goodness, was ~$370 WITH A HR strap, and I remember thinking it was high end.

A bit of a stretch, but I think Apple has done more to accidentally hurt the sport-watch industry than anyone else. Hear me out: When sport watches were *just* sport watches (Ambit3/Fenix 3) they were perfectly fine. Sure, the optical HR tech wasn't there yet, they didn't have vibrating alerts, that sort of thing, but they were excellent. Then the rise of the Apple watch did three things: One, people wanted their watches to do way more, it made the LCD or low-color screens of the Ambit and F3 look very dated, and it conditioned people to be willing to pay more.

So now you've got Garmin trying to shove every feature ever into these things (which is fine, I'm not a luddite, I can get behind it), you've got these crappy color screens that I STILL maintain aren't as easy to read in all conditions as the dang Ambit3, and we're supposed to pay $750 for (in most people's cases, day to day) pace, HR, swim pace, distance, and time. Sure you've got mapping on a tiny ass screen, but I don't consider this something that most people use most of the time.

I don't know, rant over. I'm not that dense, I see the value in adding features, and I'm not opposed to it. I just don't like the cost creap to shove all these one-offs in. The Ambit3/Fenix3 gen is still my favorite; those watches updated with some newer internals, optical HR (maybe), vibrating alerts, etc, are pretty much the epitome for me. But of course, those wouldn't sell, because people apparently want their sport watches to be all-in smartwatches now.

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To Apple's defense, the Apple Watch costs "only" $399/$429 (depending on the size). The two big features Garmin is adding are Garmin Pay and Music. Both features already exist on the Apple Watch. That's why I still don't understand why the 945 will cost $599.

Yeah, totally true. I guess I am thinking back to when smartwatches didn't really exist at all and the "high end" of Garmin/Suunto was 375-500. The whole market moved up because now the 'norm' is 250-400 (Suunto Spartain Trainer, Garmin 235 and such.) Hell, the Forerunner 35 is now 170; the 25 used to be $140 and the FR10 was $100 at launch. They've just pushed the whole market up without really giving many more features. Super frustrating.

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Apple prices their watches knowing that once they have the hardware on your wrist, they're likely to garner significant residual income from you over time on app store and itunes store purchases, plus subscriptions like apple music, icloud, etc. Also, they know you're more likely to purchase one of their phones the next time you need/want to upgrade.

Garmin residual income streams aren't even close, so they need to make more on the initial sale.

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I agree, and I think it may explain why a lot of the older Garmin models have not dropped significantly in price. I had two 305s, one when it was just released, and the second one years later, with a discounted price and a $50 rebate (the second one still works fine). I have a 920xt, which is great but as others have said maybe only has a few years life span, I would like to get another one. But the 920xt hasn't really dropped in price like you'd expect older models would. It could be due to the fact that it looks cheap relative to the new models, and still provides more than what most of us need.

You have to have one of their phones to even setup the Apple Watch. It is 100% useless without an iPhone. The Apple Watch is residual income.

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$529 gets you all that and the ability to make an actual phone call if you get a flat or get picked up by an Uber. Or automatically make a call to 911 if you crash.

My first Garmin watch was a 305 and I had many up to the 735. I bought a first gen and second gen Apple Watch and returned both. I now have an Apple Watch 4 with cellular and it’s friggin great. The only thing better on the Garmin watches is the battery life. I have no problem with the touch screen. And since most of my workouts are <60 min runs or <90 Zwift rides it’s perfect.

Garmin is in trouble.

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Which is why, once you have the watch, your likelihood of switching to android drops to almost zero.

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"They're made of latex, not nitroglycerin"

when my FR 620 died, I got an 735xt from Customer Service, and I am quite happy with him. I use my old 910xt only for triathlon races, but my 735xt for everyday training.

I only would think in an upgrade for the strength activities function of garmin 935 and an longer battery (for ironman with sensors).

Garmin should do more triathlon watches, 945 is fine, is the top from the brand.. but there are a lot of features that are not for everyone, or at least is not for triathlon (yes, they may be are for training).

I would think of buying the 935.. as its price should decrease.. but there are so many friends with problems, so many friends that after less than 10months need to send the watch to be repaired or changed..

The comparison of apple to Garmin has me suddenly dreaming of a Garmin phone. One would think it’s on their radar as they have experience with so many of the hardware and software pieces. How far off are the new cycling computers from a smartphone really? Please tell me it is coming!

This is quite possibly the worst idea I've ever heard. <sarcasm>Because Garmin products are the pinnacle of technology stability and reliability.</sarcasm>

'Dreaming' ??
More likely 'Nightmare'.

Ican see tje new Apple advertisment slogan now...
"Garmin mobile phones... made to make iphones appear good"

Your experience may be vastly different, but my garmin products (at least 5 of them) have all served me well. Honestly, if you get on apple forums all you will see are people non-stop complaining about apple products. Don't see how their experience is any different from ours or vice versa.

You are over a decade too late. There was once a Garmin phone (several variations actually). The first one was released right around the time of the first iPhone. I distinctly remember visiting a Garmin store in Chicago and playing with it. Here's a review of what I think was the last version: https://www.cnet.com/...one-t-mobile-review/

Promo Video here:



Looks like the release date will be May 1st.

OK someone break this down for me...all I want is to upgrade my Fenix 3 to add wrist-based HR and music, that's it. Currently debating a 5 Plus vs. the forthcoming 945. What's the diff? Both have music, both have Garmin Pay (who cares), maps, wrist HR, maps, V02max, etc. 945 has incident detection - big whoop I have that on my phone already.

So the 945 is what - lighter and 50 bucks less? Is that the only tradeoff or am I missing something?

10/10 very bad idea

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I appreciate you editing your post and turning down the level of aggressiveness. Not sure what the reason of finding it a bad idea. You may find it a stretch but I doubt the thought has escaped the people at Garmin. They are making touch screen devices with all the bells, whistles, and form of a phone. One would think that Garmin should have cell phone connectivity within two years. I'm rather surprised that the newest 530/830 aren't 4G connected as it is. A multipurpose phone/ cycling computer/ watch is in the future. Just a matter of time.

The Vivoactive 3 Music is already available with LTE connectivity through Verizon. Doesn't do voice calls, but you can do two-way SMS messaging. I think that'll be my next watch. If I can text for help from my watch, I think I'd be comfortable leaving the a phone at home when on a ride. Apple Watch can do the same, and even voice, but the Garmin gets bonus points for being able to give a vibrating notification if the Varia radar picks up an approaching car.

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You are right! I totally missed the Vivoactive...mostly because I am with At&t so the watch is a non-starter for me. Thanks for reminding me of what I'm missing out on! lol

According to the Garmin website, the 935 is 1 gram lighter than the 945 so I'm on the fence about buying the 945.

Perhaps that 1 gram will help my running?

I mean it's only $600... :)

This I what I don’t get. It’s too close to the Fenix 5+. I have a 5+ and would spend $50 more for it for all the features and nicer looking bezel all day long.

Had the 945 been $500 I might have regretted the 5+ and wished I’d waited a few months for save $150 for close enough features. But glad I didn’t.

According to DC Rainmaker it's got all of the features of the fenix 5x+ (plus more), for the $600 price point. It's just plastic (which I actually prefer). I'm getting one.

https://www.dcrainmaker.com/...in-depth-review.html


Edit: just noticed they knocked the price down $150 across the board on the fenix versions. Can get the fenix 5+ for $499 now. Think I may do that instead.

Even better: train with the 945, race with the 935. You'll feel like you're flying.

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So $100 more for plastic and a few grams lighter?

I got mine yesterday "upgrade" from a 935 - Initial impressions are that it's a 935+. The maps feature - ability to use heat maps when you're away from your known routes looks like it may be useful. Not really dug into the training features yet - there are a lot of them though.

Case wise it's basically identical - i changed the black strap and if I hadn't told my girlfriend she would never know i'd spent the money.....menus scroll across the screen more nicely than the 935 (not sure that justifies the cost)

Actually it's 1 gram heavier, more depending on how many songs are on it :)

Be interested to see the level of detail in the maps for navigating when out in the wilds (UK's Lake District is what I'm looking for)

You can essentially look at OSM and get about 99% of the way there. It's what Garmin uses for the maps on the FR945, before they apply a bit of special sauce in terms of routing data under it tied to their heat maps.

Here ya go: https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=8/52.154/5.295

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Super cool. Where did you purchase yours that you got it in hand already. I didn't think anyone had inventory yet-- I am eagerly awaiting my Clever Training per-order.

From Wiggle - i’m in the UK - they are usually first to get Garmin devices here.

Cheers for that - had a look at the OSM maps for my area and I was half expecting something along the lines of Ordnance Survey (it's a UK thing!) if you know those, with some sort of contour data - but it's no biggie - as long as there's trails then that's good for me. (although the area I checked out was a local 70.3 I did last year and some of the footpaths used weren't marked.

I'm definitely interested in a 945 - just not sure it's worth the premium over the 935 at the moment. (In the UK, there's roughly £200 between them at the moment)