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Got the notification regarding team uniforms and TriCan is using Project clothing from Australia as the supplier for Canadian National Team. Seems ridiculous to me when we have a Canadian supplier like Louis Garneau that's reknowned for it's tri kit. Also minimum compulsory uniform order is appox. $400. Anyone else disappointed and angry about this???

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Re: Triathlon Canada WTF???? [trijunkie123] [ In reply to ]
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It isn't any different than the last few years in terms of the cost or the supplier.

I'm personally not a fan of the Project clothing, much preferred when it was Champion System, but I agree, using a Canadian supplier would be nice.
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Re: Triathlon Canada WTF???? [trijunkie123] [ In reply to ]
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is the Project sizing true to size?

For the trisuit I'm at the top of the small size for shoulders but in the XS for waist. I'm thinking of getting a small, but I fit into the XS course m-2 suit.

2nd question- I'm not sure I completely understand what is compulsory. Do we have to buy casual shorts or a backpack? If so that sucks.

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Re: Triathlon Canada WTF???? [tristorm] [ In reply to ]
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Yup kinda confusing, think the compulsory items are trisuit, t-shirt, shorts and jacket. Have no idea on sizing.

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Re: Triathlon Canada WTF???? [trijunkie123] [ In reply to ]
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Yeah it's totally stupid. We'll have to pay import duties as well when the kits arrive. And that's after the bullshit of paying race entry fees in USD for a race IN CANADA.

Not to mention, $50 for a meh white t-shirt and $75 for plain black shorts or skirt?

I wish I would have pulled the plug before I paid the entry fees. I'm in too deep now but the event has definitely lost it's appeal for me.

Embarrassing for Tri Canada that we're paying US $ to race in Canada, wearing a Team Canada kit from Australia.
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Re: Triathlon Canada WTF???? [trijunkie123] [ In reply to ]
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We were told approx $500 for mandatory kit. It comes in under that. Agree re: Australian outfitter but suspect Garneau more $$. Champion is China.

If worlds wasnt here at home i wouldnt be paying the $1200 it costs to race ($600 register, $125 team fee, $500 kit)

Good news is Team Canada is approx 1200 athletes! USA i understand 1100. Australia announced about 250 coming from other side of world in their winter. Suspect Team GB would be 500. And the pro field announcing they are coming is stacked. It will be exciting.

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Re: Triathlon Canada WTF???? [trijunkie123] [ In reply to ]
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Looks like they've taken a page from USA as far as poor quality overpriced clothing and ripping athletes representing them in the name of patriotism. Glad I pulled the plug a long time ago. They're killing the allure of the WC.


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Got the notification regarding team uniforms and TriCan is using Project clothing from Australia as the supplier for Canadian National Team. Seems ridiculous to me when we have a Canadian supplier like Louis Garneau that's reknowned for it's tri kit. Also minimum compulsory uniform order is appox. $400. Anyone else disappointed and angry about this???
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Re: Triathlon Canada WTF???? [alligatorCAN] [ In reply to ]
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Yeah totally agree and I'm also too deep into it to pull the plug now.

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Re: Triathlon Canada WTF???? [rhys] [ In reply to ]
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Are the unis required. I mean yes I know you are required to buy the team kit, but would a 2016 kit be allowed for 2017? Or are all these federations really forcing you to buy new kit every event you do??

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Yup mandatory :p

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Re: Triathlon Canada WTF???? [trijunkie123] [ In reply to ]
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Even if you did previous years race and purchased brand new kit?

AGers pretty much fund this entire sport.

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Re: Triathlon Canada WTF???? [B_Doughtie] [ In reply to ]
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Does anyone know someone who wants to race for Team Canada (a Canadian)? I have registered but now can't go due to an unavoidable conflict. No refunds - but they will let me transfer my registration to any age group (or gender) as long as its before April 9 the uniform order deadline.

I'll happily transfer my registration for 50% of what I have paid. I'll even contact Triathlon Canada to see if your age group is still open. Last information we were sent shows spots in most AG except M40-44; M45-49, M55-59; M60-64.
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Re: Triathlon Canada WTF???? [B_Doughtie] [ In reply to ]
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Yes you would have to buy a new uniform even if you purchased new the previous year.

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Re: Triathlon Canada WTF???? [tristorm] [ In reply to ]
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I'm in the same situation as you, small in the chest/shoulders and XS in the waist/legs. I will likely go with the small and plan on having the legs and waist altered if need be. I've had to do that a few times in the past.
But it would be nice to hear some feedback from someone who has actually used the kit.
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Re: Triathlon Canada WTF???? [B_Doughtie] [ In reply to ]
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I know team Canada changes their kits pretty radically from year to year so they would easily be able to tell if it isn't an "approved kit." I can't remember for sure, but I think the USA ones have been the TYR suits with the stars and stripes on the side so you may be able to re-use them.

I have a theory that this is one of the ways TriCan "fundraises" for the elites, as I just don't see why athletes are basically paying full retail prices when they are doing a group buy of over 1000 kits.
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Re: Triathlon Canada WTF???? [ggeiger] [ In reply to ]
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ggeiger wrote:
Looks like they've taken a page from USA as far as poor quality overpriced clothing and ripping athletes representing them in the name of patriotism. Glad I pulled the plug a long time ago. They're killing the allure of the WC.


trijunkie123 wrote:
Got the notification regarding team uniforms and TriCan is using Project clothing from Australia as the supplier for Canadian National Team. Seems ridiculous to me when we have a Canadian supplier like Louis Garneau that's reknowned for it's tri kit. Also minimum compulsory uniform order is appox. $400. Anyone else disappointed and angry about this???

This is why I went to 70.3 world's in Austria from Ottawa Canada vs ITU world's in Chicago . Going across the pond on a long haul flight and paying Messick was cheaper and I would rather give money to etc/Wanda group than ITU
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Re: Triathlon Canada WTF???? [trijunkie123] [ In reply to ]
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So I wasn't the only one confused...that helps. I had a friend who happens to also be a professional tailor measure me today and try to understand the sizing charts. I contacted the email provided for the clothing company, because i am literally ALL over the charts in the components of sizing. Just ONE example, the over 200$ LD SuperFast Tri Suit, my HSP to crotch is 72cm = 2XL
My inner leg length is 19cm = XS. Lasty, My Leg circumference is 43cm, again 2XL. Nowhere does it ask for your WAIST on either this garment or the trishorts. I kinda thought waist was crucial for shorts if'n you don't wanna have 'em droppin' to the ground!!! :) It states right on the TriCanada website there will be no returns or refunds for missizing. The tailor quoted about $300 to make the necessary adjustments on the garments. I am stunned at the up-front cost and the possible need to tailor the clothing anyways. It HAS to be this year's uniform as well...no options there.





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Re: Triathlon Canada WTF???? [trijunkie123] [ In reply to ]
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This is beyond ridiculous, and I'm seriously wishing I had not signed up now. But I'm in the same boat as others have mentioned, in too deep now. A shame though that this is now making me very cynical about this whole thing.

What is most annoying is that one of the four compulsory items is a pair of casual shorts OR and "urban backpack " (whatever the hell that is). What do those have remotely in common; other than adding another $75 to the kitty.

Next most annoying is $50 for a t-shirt? Every single race in the world ever throws these into your swag bag, or does the right thing and lets you skip it for a $5 credit that is the actual cost of year things. And they have the nerve to charge fifty freaking dollars? What in the holy hell.

And on top of all this they ship FedEx, who according to the order sheet has the right to charge us extra fees if we're not there between 9-5 to sign for the delivery on whichever day they happen to show up.
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Re: Triathlon Canada WTF???? [Dufflite] [ In reply to ]
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I was looking at the sizing charts too and they make absolutely no sense??? Hope someone from TriCan is on Slowtwitch and realizes what a cluster this is!!!

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Re: Triathlon Canada WTF???? [zoomrunner] [ In reply to ]
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Agreed it is more than a bit confusing.
However it looks like the sizing chart that is alongside the tri suit photo is actually the garment dimensions not your body dimensions. I compared a couple of my own suits against the charts and they then make sense.
Down below the photo is another sizing chart tab which seems to be body dimensions, with waist, chest and hip measurements.
If I work with both the charts I can come up with something that makes sense, no guarentees it is correct though.
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Re: Triathlon Canada WTF???? [Dufflite] [ In reply to ]
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Small things like this are why I think triathlon is losing. Charging THESE type of fees to these type of athletes is simply going to cause them to say "ok i'm done"....or "yeah this is one and done for me". Federations have to be super careful they dont tip the scale too much and the AG masses really do exit stage left.

Also one note...If you leave a note on your door for your delivery guy "leave package at door..sign X" that should count as "signed" for when receiving package.

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Re: Triathlon Canada WTF???? [trijunkie123] [ In reply to ]
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LG and Sugoi never had had a good ITU suit historically.

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If it's like last year use the coupon code to get the items you want up to the limit. Last year I skipped the jacket for Cozumel and got the nicer suit. I should have got the tank top instead of the time shirt too...

Think of the coupon as a budget. Last year the cart for Project didn't care what you ordered. The ITU only cares that your race kit meets their rules.

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Re: Triathlon Canada WTF???? [trijunkie123] [ In reply to ]
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Has anyone tried contacting Tri Can with their feedback/concerns? Is it too late to make them change the deal?
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Re: Triathlon Canada WTF???? [B_Doughtie] [ In reply to ]
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Last year you prepaid for the kit to Triathlon Canada and they gave you a coupon code to spend on Projects team sales site. Cart was not programmed to make you buy the so called mandatory items. If it's the same buy what ever you want if you are not going to the parade. Make sure you have an ITU legal suit. If I was going to P I'd just use it to get training kit since I have a Project ITU suit.

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Re: Triathlon Canada WTF???? [tristorm] [ In reply to ]
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An ITU race kit is compulsory... like I said above get the nicer suit which is tighter. Then if you are not doing the parade fill the cart until the coupon is used with stuff you will use.

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Re: Triathlon Canada WTF???? [trijunkie123] [ In reply to ]
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Ya I'm super annoyed too. I understand the team fee - but NOT additional team fees for adding events. I understand event entry fee, no big complaints as it's what I expected for a LC race, understand mandatory race uniform too. But I'm not keen to spend more for t-shirt, shorts, and a jacket.

I emailed TriCanada to ask what is the implication of not ordering the compulsory uniform? Is it DQ?

Does anyone know?

I'm considering calling it a wash and just not going. Wanted to support Penticton, thought it would be cool to be a part of. Kinda over it now tho. Maybe I'll just race the apple.... oh wait...

Ready to say screw it, gone mtn biking.
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Re: Triathlon Canada WTF???? [LauraM] [ In reply to ]
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In the scope of costs, this stuff is just not that big of a deal.

I know in the US, there are always folks who would like to represent our country and be in TeamUSA. These races have NEVER been cheap, so why some
each year bitch about the same stuff just makes me smile. Step aside and let others follow their dreams.

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Re: Triathlon Canada WTF???? [zoomrunner] [ In reply to ]
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Curious as to if it was just a normal clothing tailor that you went to or one that is used to working on peformance fabric?

I have a race suit that is like to have a few adjustments on and am wondering if I can or should just bring to the regular person I see.
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Re: Triathlon Canada WTF???? [jax101] [ In reply to ]
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Curious as to how the alterations have gone and what kind of tailor you used and perhaps where you live as I'm looking for someone to do this on one of my suits.
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Re: Triathlon Canada WTF???? [h2ofun] [ In reply to ]
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Dave, how often do you go again?

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Re: Triathlon Canada WTF???? [realAB] [ In reply to ]
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I especially like being forced to buy a winter cycling jacket that we will not be able to wear during race week. Very disappointed.
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Re: Triathlon Canada WTF???? [LauraM] [ In reply to ]
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Yeah Apple on Hiatus in 17

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Re: Triathlon Canada WTF???? [Kate S] [ In reply to ]
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Kate S wrote:
Does anyone know someone who wants to race for Team Canada (a Canadian)? I have registered but now can't go due to an unavoidable conflict. No refunds - but they will let me transfer my registration to any age group (or gender) as long as its before April 9 the uniform order deadline.


Is a spot at worlds is available for transfer to anyone else oir do you have to have done a qualifying spot?

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Re: Triathlon Canada WTF???? [h2ofun] [ In reply to ]
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Dave, you are simply wrong. They never were this high, and if you paid attention, I have NEVER seen the team full. They go, what, 16 deep in each AG? Having done a number myself and seeing the kits at other races I do, the quality of the team is not very high as so many good athletes see the cost as ridiculous and the "roll down" goes waaaaayyyyyy down to people that are frankly not very fast or representative of their country, but have money and the ego to wear the kit at every race they do. Many years I was shocked at how slow many were in my own AG. This ain't the Olympics buddy!



h2ofun wrote:
In the scope of costs, this stuff is just not that big of a deal.

I know in the US, there are always folks who would like to represent our country and be in TeamUSA. These races have NEVER been cheap, so why some
each year bitch about the same stuff just makes me smile. Step aside and let others follow their dreams.
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Re: Triathlon Canada WTF???? [JayPeeWhy] [ In reply to ]
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JayPeeWhy wrote:
Kate S wrote:
Does anyone know someone who wants to race for Team Canada (a Canadian)? I have registered but now can't go due to an unavoidable conflict. No refunds - but they will let me transfer my registration to any age group (or gender) as long as its before April 9 the uniform order deadline.


Is a spot at worlds is available for transfer to anyone else oir do you have to have done a qualifying spot?

You don't have to qualify at this point if spots are available in your AG. They had a open registration period for anyone - which is now closed. Qualifiers got first dibs on spots last fall...then they gradually broadened the registration options. Triathlon Canada is longer taking new registrations but will allow transfers.

Message me if you are interested.
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Re: Triathlon Canada WTF???? [B_Doughtie] [ In reply to ]
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B_Doughtie wrote:
Dave, how often do you go again?

Have not gone for the last few years. Have gone 3 times in my life so far.
But, sure going to cost me a lot this year, which is why I am not going to all of them that I have qualified for.

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Dave, you are simply wrong. They never were this high, and if you paid attention, I have NEVER seen the team full. They go, what, 16 deep in each AG? Having done a number myself and seeing the kits at other races I do, the quality of the team is not very high as so many good athletes see the cost as ridiculous and the "roll down" goes waaaaayyyyyy down to people that are frankly not very fast or representative of their country, but have money and the ego to wear the kit at every race they do. Many years I was shocked at how slow many were in my own AG. This ain't the Olympics buddy!



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In the scope of costs, this stuff is just not that big of a deal.

I know in the US, there are always folks who would like to represent our country and be in TeamUSA. These races have NEVER been cheap, so why some
each year bitch about the same stuff just makes me smile. Step aside and let others follow their dreams.

So what!!!!!! If folks do not go, and pay the bills, there are no races.

So, you can be elitist all you want.

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Re: Triathlon Canada WTF???? [Kate S] [ In reply to ]
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Kate S wrote:
JayPeeWhy wrote:
Kate S wrote:
Does anyone know someone who wants to race for Team Canada (a Canadian)? I have registered but now can't go due to an unavoidable conflict. No refunds - but they will let me transfer my registration to any age group (or gender) as long as its before April 9 the uniform order deadline.


Is a spot at worlds is available for transfer to anyone else oir do you have to have done a qualifying spot?


You don't have to qualify at this point if spots are available in your AG. They had a open registration period for anyone - which is now closed. Qualifiers got first dibs on spots last fall...then they gradually broadened the registration options. Triathlon Canada is longer taking new registrations but will allow transfers.

Message me if you are interested.

Wow, this implies the qualiyy of the Canada team is not real high? In the US, you have to qualify and no transfers.

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Re: Triathlon Canada WTF???? [h2ofun] [ In reply to ]
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h2ofun wrote:
Kate S wrote:
JayPeeWhy wrote:
Kate S wrote:
Does anyone know someone who wants to race for Team Canada (a Canadian)? I have registered but now can't go due to an unavoidable conflict. No refunds - but they will let me transfer my registration to any age group (or gender) as long as its before April 9 the uniform order deadline.


Is a spot at worlds is available for transfer to anyone else oir do you have to have done a qualifying spot?


You don't have to qualify at this point if spots are available in your AG. They had a open registration period for anyone - which is now closed. Qualifiers got first dibs on spots last fall...then they gradually broadened the registration options. Triathlon Canada is longer taking new registrations but will allow transfers.

Message me if you are interested.


Wow, this implies the qualiyy of the Canada team is not real high? In the US, you have to qualify and no transfers.

Canada is the host country so there are 25 spots per age group compared to the usual 10. I think the top spots filled up quickly with qualifiers. But I have never raced ITU World Championships before so that is just my understanding.
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Re: Triathlon Canada WTF???? [Kate S] [ In reply to ]
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Kate S wrote:
h2ofun wrote:
Kate S wrote:
JayPeeWhy wrote:
Kate S wrote:
Does anyone know someone who wants to race for Team Canada (a Canadian)? I have registered but now can't go due to an unavoidable conflict. No refunds - but they will let me transfer my registration to any age group (or gender) as long as its before April 9 the uniform order deadline.


Is a spot at worlds is available for transfer to anyone else oir do you have to have done a qualifying spot?


You don't have to qualify at this point if spots are available in your AG. They had a open registration period for anyone - which is now closed. Qualifiers got first dibs on spots last fall...then they gradually broadened the registration options. Triathlon Canada is longer taking new registrations but will allow transfers.

Message me if you are interested.


Wow, this implies the qualiyy of the Canada team is not real high? In the US, you have to qualify and no transfers.


Canada is the host country so there are 25 spots per age group compared to the usual 10. I think the top spots filled up quickly with qualifiers. But I have never raced ITU World Championships before so that is just my understanding.

My experience is a county gets 18 slots normally? I know the US does. But, if one is the host county, yep, one gets 25.

But, when the US is the host county, even with 25 slots, it does not change you still have to qualify the same way. And the US has never ever had full teams
no matter where the race is.

So to hear over the years Canada seems to have a process that allows anyone who want to go to be able to sign up? Oh well, it helps keeps the costs down
and folks slow or fast do not impact how I race.

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I think it is a big deal, so I'm happy to disagree there. I'll also come to peace with it if I decide to step aside and let others follow their dreams, it's really not such a big deal for me not to race. I'll be a middle pack, participatory athlete who qualified by showing up and winging it, so no biggie, correct. But, I think it is a big deal that the Apple and potentially other local races and opportunities are falling victim to this extravaganza that is out of reach for many. Without local, introductory level events to bring new participants and youth into the sport, the spiral of participation and cost per athlete rising, continues. That's why I think it's a big deal, it's not about me or my bank account.

Like I said, I anticipated the cost of entry fee, team fee and Tri suit. So not bitching about that. It's the extras. The undisclosed fees that you commit to pay before knowing what they are, and that feels sneaky. It feels icky that Triathlon Canada makes you pay the team fee without disclosing event entry fees first. It feels icky that you pay the event fee, without knowing you'll have to purchase a compulsory $50 t-shirt. I suppose the cost isn't my rant, it's the lack of upfront transparency, and having to pay in foreign dollars to race at home. The uniforms will be charged to credit card in $AUD in May, despite being advertised in CAD on the store. Which is yet another example of having lack of full information before committing to purchase.
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h2ofun wrote:
ggeiger wrote:
Dave, you are simply wrong. They never were this high, and if you paid attention, I have NEVER seen the team full. They go, what, 16 deep in each AG? Having done a number myself and seeing the kits at other races I do, the quality of the team is not very high as so many good athletes see the cost as ridiculous and the "roll down" goes waaaaayyyyyy down to people that are frankly not very fast or representative of their country, but have money and the ego to wear the kit at every race they do. Many years I was shocked at how slow many were in my own AG. This ain't the Olympics buddy!



h2ofun wrote:
In the scope of costs, this stuff is just not that big of a deal.

I know in the US, there are always folks who would like to represent our country and be in TeamUSA. These races have NEVER been cheap, so why some
each year bitch about the same stuff just makes me smile. Step aside and let others follow their dreams.


So what!!!!!! If folks do not go, and pay the bills, there are no races.

So, you can be elitist all you want.

Nothing to do with being elitist. So, you feel fine paying for the team "mascots", etc to go? They take massage people and "support" people, but you still have to pay for their services (except for mechanics, which you shouldn't need). When I go to a WTC race, I usually have far better competition, the choice on how to spend my money, and I don't have to subsidize others going along. Yes, I absolutely loved the experience of meeting athletes from other countries, Tim Y is awesome, and I went to some great places. But it's another money making junket for USAT. Why do they have to rape their own members for costs to pad the coffers for our "pro" Olympic athletes? When I raced Kona the AG competition was so far superior. That said, some like to parade around in a USA team uniform the rest of the year to stroke their egos.
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h2ofun wrote:
Kate S wrote:
JayPeeWhy wrote:
Kate S wrote:
Does anyone know someone who wants to race for Team Canada (a Canadian)? I have registered but now can't go due to an unavoidable conflict. No refunds - but they will let me transfer my registration to any age group (or gender) as long as its before April 9 the uniform order deadline.


Is a spot at worlds is available for transfer to anyone else oir do you have to have done a qualifying spot?


You don't have to qualify at this point if spots are available in your AG. They had a open registration period for anyone - which is now closed. Qualifiers got first dibs on spots last fall...then they gradually broadened the registration options. Triathlon Canada is longer taking new registrations but will allow transfers.

Message me if you are interested.

Wow, this implies the qualiyy of the Canada team is not real high? In the US, you have to qualify and no transfers.
Literally in the previous post you call ggeiger an elitest for suggesting the qualifying standards for Team USA are too low and the team members are too slow. Now here you make exactly the same complaint about Canada. So which is it?

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RowToTri wrote:
h2ofun wrote:
Kate S wrote:
JayPeeWhy wrote:
Kate S wrote:
Does anyone know someone who wants to race for Team Canada (a Canadian)? I have registered but now can't go due to an unavoidable conflict. No refunds - but they will let me transfer my registration to any age group (or gender) as long as its before April 9 the uniform order deadline.


Is a spot at worlds is available for transfer to anyone else oir do you have to have done a qualifying spot?


You don't have to qualify at this point if spots are available in your AG. They had a open registration period for anyone - which is now closed. Qualifiers got first dibs on spots last fall...then they gradually broadened the registration options. Triathlon Canada is longer taking new registrations but will allow transfers.

Message me if you are interested.


Wow, this implies the qualiyy of the Canada team is not real high? In the US, you have to qualify and no transfers.

Literally in the previous post you call ggeiger an elitest for suggesting the qualifying standards for Team USA are too low and the team members are too slow. Now here you make exactly the same complaint about Canada. So which is it?


Just Dave being Dave....... (yawn).
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Like I said, I anticipated the cost of entry fee, team fee and Tri suit. So not bitching about that. It's the extras. The undisclosed fees that you commit to pay before knowing what they are, and that feels sneaky. It feels icky that Triathlon Canada makes you pay the team fee without disclosing event entry fees first. It feels icky that you pay the event fee, without knowing you'll have to purchase a compulsory $50 t-shirt. I suppose the cost isn't my rant, it's the lack of upfront transparency, and having to pay in foreign dollars to race at home. The uniforms will be charged to credit card in $AUD in May, despite being advertised in CAD on the store. Which is yet another example of having lack of full information before committing to purchase.

Nailed it!
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Re: Triathlon Canada WTF???? [realAB] [ In reply to ]
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Hi RealAB,
so I'm able to just order the compulsory trisuit for race, then choose say the running shorts and run singlet and winter jacket instead of the Tshirt and casual backpack?
Won't be like barred from racing if I did that? Lol!
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Re: Triathlon Canada WTF???? [soya] [ In reply to ]
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Project probably doesnt care and won't say anything since they still get paid. I know a few others who did the same and nothing was said. Just think about if you are going to the parade of nations where everyone wears the same stuff. On race day everyone just wears what ever as a warm up outfit.

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We were told approx $500 for mandatory kit.

The communication I received (for Rotterdam, not Penticton) from Tri Canada in December said about $300 for mandatory kit. So far with the bare minimum (i.e. without upgrading to the fancy tri suit) I'm at $390 plus shipping, duty, and FedEx brokerage (since they don't offer another shipping method). In the HST payable, they'll also tax all the shipping charges. Maybe if we're lucky, their international shipping center is in Canada... they say it's 'central' to international shipping, but don't say where it is. I've emailed them to ask.

Update: The "centrally located" international warehouse is in China.
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Re: Triathlon Canada WTF???? [tristorm] [ In reply to ]
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I find Project to fit small.

For worlds in Chicago they had project the trisuit fit but I could not fit the jersey.

Also at Challenge Penticton for the qualifying race they had Project gear, I could not fit in any top they had up to XXL sizes I'm usually a Med


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Re: Triathlon Canada WTF???? [dale3] [ In reply to ]
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My tailor friend has already adjusted a few race suits and made non-form-fitting race tops just right for me. From what I have experienced, a good tailor can work on any material. She is actually also an athlete I coach and knows I like my race stuff "just right". I still don't understand the sizing chart but am waiting for a response from the clothing company for some guidance :)





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Re: Triathlon Canada WTF???? [zoomrunner] [ In reply to ]
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Just got this response: hope it helps everybody: apparently the sizing charts next to each garment are when it's lying FLAT???

Hi Mikey,

The body size chart is the best way to find your size for all garments. I have attached this for your reference.

The garment size chart is measurements are for a flat garment lying on the ground, so a stretchy suit like a trisuit is measured without it being stretched on the body. The trisuits have about 10cm of stretch in them and often people choose a size down for a firmer fit and the super-fast suit has about 5cm and we always recommend people select a size or two up. So if you find your size on the main size chart, these extra measurements help if you are extra-long in the body etc.

So in looking at the LD Superfast Suit, those measurements are a garment lying on the ground. Allow about 5cm stretch for these points.

I hope that clarifies the sizing for you.

Kind regards,

Louisa Paul



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Re: Triathlon Canada WTF???? [Kate S] [ In reply to ]
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I have never heard of legal transfers... and if you didn't qualify, the team fee was $500... My understanding for the spots available, was that they were for people adding events that had already qualified in something else... I got a few e-mails to ask if I wanted to add the standard Du, since I am qualified and registered in the Sprint... I didn't know they were taking applications from new athletes for spots...

In terms of the kit, it's stepper than usual, which is pretty disappointing. The prices aren't that bad, if it was a kit that you could use in the next couple of years... but since the Orca days (I think the last year was 06 that they used the Orca kit), they put a kaibosh on using previous years kits (as long as they were sponsor correct). Realistically, they should lock in the kit design til 2020 (which is the current commitment with Project), every team member would need a Project Kit once, but in subsequent years if you already had one, you could skip it (if you wanted to)... And then add 1-2 parade pieces/year... and keep that around $150... That said, $50 for a running top is ridiculous... $20-$35, OK, but $50, I'm not sure what this top does above what a $30 one would do... The race kit is actually reasonable, at the higher end of the normal range... it's the parade kit that is ridiculous (the cycling jacket is a very reasonable price range, the shorts and shirt (or urban backpack) are not...)... If I recall, for Ottawa 2013, is was $350 uniform fee, we got race kit, jacket, track pants (this was a champ sys year, the fit on the track pants was awful, and they were lined... for an august race), tech top and a cycling cap (cap was hideous, but i traded it to an american for beers at the afterparty...). That was including taxes and shipping.

There was no pre-pay and coupon this year, it was just a warning on the pricing (up to $500) and that we would buy directly from the Project webshop... Not sure about enforcement on Parade Kit, but I personally wouldn't skimp on an item or two, to travel all that way and get told I couldn't race...

I'm assuming the main reason for the mandatory re-buy every year, is to make it profitable for companies to want to bid on the contract, but that policy prices many people out from participating...
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h2ofun wrote:
Kate S wrote:
JayPeeWhy wrote:
Kate S wrote:
Does anyone know someone who wants to race for Team Canada (a Canadian)? I have registered but now can't go due to an unavoidable conflict. No refunds - but they will let me transfer my registration to any age group (or gender) as long as its before April 9 the uniform order deadline.


Is a spot at worlds is available for transfer to anyone else oir do you have to have done a qualifying spot?


You don't have to qualify at this point if spots are available in your AG. They had a open registration period for anyone - which is now closed. Qualifiers got first dibs on spots last fall...then they gradually broadened the registration options. Triathlon Canada is longer taking new registrations but will allow transfers.

Message me if you are interested.


Wow, this implies the qualiyy of the Canada team is not real high? In the US, you have to qualify and no transfers.

Or maybe having a country with 10X more people means you have a pool that's 10x larger than we do here in Canada. There are more people in California than there is in all of Canada.

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I'm supremely pissed as I heard Canada was switching from Project.
Now that I look at the web store, what is stopping me from purchasing JUST a kit?
Is TriCan auditing this?
If I only purchase a kit, what are they going to do, ban me from racing?
I can't even make it to the athlete's parade, so purchasing a team uniform to me is a huge waste of money.
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My tailor friend has already adjusted a few race suits and made non-form-fitting race tops just right for me. From what I have experienced, a good tailor can work on any material. She is actually also an athlete I coach and knows I like my race stuff "just right". I still don't understand the sizing chart but am waiting for a response from the clothing company for some guidance

Yes! Getting a bit OT, I find I have to do this with a lot of my cycling specific kit that I buy - off-the-rack, I am hard to fit in the S/M/L paradigm. Not to get too specific, or detailed, but my body is a bit of a strange shape, and manufacturers are all over the map with their size charts. In cycling jerseys alone, in my closet I have XL Castelli jerseys and Smalls in other manufacturers that all fit well! Others as well as bib-shorts, I have had to have modified slightly via a tailor that I know that knows her stuff, these materials and how to make the right mods


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Super disappointed to be pulling out because I am angry at how exclusive this supposed WC's is this year.

I wonder if any decision makers poll the comments on forums here and on social media.

If they did, it is obvious there is a significant % of people who want to race but can't now, or aren't willing to because of the high cost.

And, of course, there are others willing to pay.

If it were a business, it would be really worried about the very significant % of my prospective or former customers being pissed.

And, given Triathlon Canada is a non-profit they should be even more responsible to its members.

I hope that anyone has shown displeasure is also writing emails to Triathlon Canada so they know how many people are upset.

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(now announcing my return to Slowtwitch after a long hiatus, only because of ridiculous ITU WC and Triathlon Canada fees)
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"now announcing my return to Slowtwitch after a long hiatus, only because of ridiculous ITU WC and Triathlon Canada fees"

at least one good thing came out of it ;-\

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OK, maybe 1
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And, this is supposed to make it all seem ok...

to help address your concerns, and those of the community, we have created the following FAQ.


Why has the price increased from past years?
In 2016 the cost for the Team Uniform was $300 + provincial taxes + shipping ($30CDN) along with a duty fee for a total of approximately $385-406 dollars (depending on provincial tax and individual order for duty). In 2017, the costs range from $350-385 + taxes and shipping ($39AUS). This cost depends on the model of race uniform selected. It is important to note that Duty charges are included in this price. This is an overall price increase of approximately $40 dollars from previous years.

Triathlon Canada selected Project as its official clothing supplier in January of 2017 so the exact costs were not known upon athlete registration so last years price was provided as a guideline. While we did provide the uniform kit price of the previous year, the slight rate increase is due to the higher cost of manufacturing. Project remains competitive in pricing overall for technical gear in comparison to other suppliers.

Triathlon Canada is providing more detailed information on our new website regarding costs to represent Canada for those interested in participating in the future.


Why is the total cost in Australian currency?
Triathlon Canada had a tight timeline to select an official clothing supplier in order to meet the demands of uniform preparation. As a result, Project Clothing was unable to set-up the Canadian-based office prior to uniform orders being required—thus we are using their existing site, which requires the items be charged in Australian dollars. However, because we have an agreement with Project on pricing in Canadian dollars, this was reflected on the web site. While I appreciate this may be confusing to our community, it is being fixed, and Project Clothing will have an employee and Canadian branch with a Canadian based web store in place later this spring.

Why does Triathlon Canada not have a Canadian Supplier?
In the fall of 2016, Triathlon Canada issued an international request for proposal in an effort to select the best manufacturer of technical training and race gear for all athletes in the Triathlon Canada Nation. Based on a recent survey completed by Age-Group Team Canada athletes, along with input from athletes at all levels in our Olympic and Paralympic pathway, Triathlon Canada prioritized quality, design and cost above what country the clothing partner was located. We simply wanted the best deal possible for all of our athletes. Without question, Project Clothing delivered the largest return for our entire community - ensuring the needs of all of our athletes were met. Also, as part of their agreement with Triathlon Canada Project is hiring a Canadian staff member and will be building the Canadian web store.

What is compulsory and why do I have to order the whole team kit?
There are very strict guidelines in place that are set by the International Triathlon Union for major international competitions. The ITU has uniform requirements, which are stated in the ITU Competition Rules. All athletes must wear the exact same race suit in the discipline, which they are competing in. The rules also state the colour and design of the uniform, along with podium apparel, must be distinct to that country and must be approved by the ITU in advance.

Given this, Triathlon Canada has a mandatory Team Uniform to ensure that athletes meet all of the ITU Requirements. The uniform is non-negotiable. The Team Uniform includes:
  1. Race Suit
  2. T-Shirt
  3. Shorts/Skirt or Backpack
  4. Team Jacket


While Triathlon Canada has submitted the payment of Race Fees to the Local Organizing Committee, we are still responsible for submitting athlete’s names to the ITU Start list. We only submit those athletes in good-standing with Triathlon Canada. Should you not comply to the uniform requirements, you would therefore not be in good-standing and would not be eligible to compete.


Why did you include a jacket as a compulsory item when it will be very warm in Penticton in August?
Based on the feedback we heard from age group Team Canada athletes in our 2016 Triathlon Canada survey, athletes ranked the following in order of importance to them: jacket, tri-shorts and tri-top in the mandatory Team Uniform/Parade kit. They also asked to use the Race Suit for at least two years in a row to save money. We listened to our athletes and this has been negotiated in the new agreement with Project.

How is the Age-Group Team Canada funded?
Athlete participation on Team Canada is completely self-funded. There are significant costs that are involved in selecting and managing a national team to compete at World Championships. As a result, Triathlon Canada takes a $150 Team Management Fee, which pays for the year-round administration and management of Age-Group Team Canada. Specifically, the funds support the identification and selection of Triathlon Canada Qualification Events, athlete registration and acceptance, development and coordination of accommodation, travel, uniform design and administration, health and safety of athletes, insurance and bike support. Triathlon Canada also supplies a management team at each race who is responsible for managing the team, liaising with the ITU, providing daily information updates, athlete briefings, coached familiarization rides, organizing team dinners and “office hours” to help each and every athlete in their race preparation and coordination. It also includes a team “Meet and Greet”-- a special social event organized to provide Canadian athletes with a unique opportunity can get to know their teammates over food and beverages in a fun environment.

As a non-profit organization, all additional funds are re-directed into the Age-Group Team Canada program. Triathlon Canada's Olympic and Paralympic program is funded entirely by all levels of government, along with corporate support. Age-group program fees do not support the Olympic and Paralympic program.

What are Triathlon Canada’s refund policies?
Team Management Fees: All team management fees are non-refundable. Athletes, under no circumstances, will be able to defer their team management fee to a subsequent ITU World Championship event, nor are they able to transfer this fee to another athlete.

Race Fees: It is important to note Triathlon Canada is not responsible for setting race fees. This is done by the ITU and Local Organizing Committees (LOC). Race fees can be refunded by formal written request to Triathlon Canada up until the deadline where funds are transferred to the Local Organizing Committee (LOC). The deadline for the transfer of funds to the LOC is specific to each ITU World Championship Event. Triathlon Canada will identify the deadline for refunds at the same time athletes are notified of the race fee payment. All information will be posted on the Triathlon Canada web site. If a written request is received prior to this deadline, Triathlon Canada will issue a refund less the transaction and administration fee to process the refund. If written request is sent after this deadline, all race fee payments will be non-refundable. Athletes, under no circumstances, will be able to defer their race fee payment to a subsequent year.

Uniforms: It is imperative that athletes use the sizing chart to determine their correct suit measurements and the correct fit for all items. There will be no refunds on clothing orders. The exception is if there is a manufacturers error. Please contact Project should you have any questions.

Project Contact: Project trican@projectclothing.com.au

I hope this helps clarify some of your questions and concerns. Once again, I thank you for expressing your concerns to me directly. You are a valued member of the Triathlon Canada Nation.


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Re: Triathlon Canada WTF???? [Mckid] [ In reply to ]
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Mckid wrote:
And, this is supposed to make it all seem ok...

to help address your concerns, and those of the community, we have created the following FAQ.


Why has the price increased from past years?
In 2016 the cost for the Team Uniform was $300 + provincial taxes + shipping ($30CDN) along with a duty fee for a total of approximately $385-406 dollars (depending on provincial tax and individual order for duty). In 2017, the costs range from $350-385 + taxes and shipping ($39AUS). This cost depends on the model of race uniform selected. It is important to note that Duty charges are included in this price. This is an overall price increase of approximately $40 dollars from previous years.

Triathlon Canada selected Project as its official clothing supplier in January of 2017 so the exact costs were not known upon athlete registration so last years price was provided as a guideline. While we did provide the uniform kit price of the previous year, the slight rate increase is due to the higher cost of manufacturing. Project remains competitive in pricing overall for technical gear in comparison to other suppliers.

Triathlon Canada is providing more detailed information on our new website regarding costs to represent Canada for those interested in participating in the future.


Why is the total cost in Australian currency?
Triathlon Canada had a tight timeline to select an official clothing supplier in order to meet the demands of uniform preparation. As a result, Project Clothing was unable to set-up the Canadian-based office prior to uniform orders being required—thus we are using their existing site, which requires the items be charged in Australian dollars. However, because we have an agreement with Project on pricing in Canadian dollars, this was reflected on the web site. While I appreciate this may be confusing to our community, it is being fixed, and Project Clothing will have an employee and Canadian branch with a Canadian based web store in place later this spring.

Why does Triathlon Canada not have a Canadian Supplier?
In the fall of 2016, Triathlon Canada issued an international request for proposal in an effort to select the best manufacturer of technical training and race gear for all athletes in the Triathlon Canada Nation. Based on a recent survey completed by Age-Group Team Canada athletes, along with input from athletes at all levels in our Olympic and Paralympic pathway, Triathlon Canada prioritized quality, design and cost above what country the clothing partner was located. We simply wanted the best deal possible for all of our athletes. Without question, Project Clothing delivered the largest return for our entire community - ensuring the needs of all of our athletes were met. Also, as part of their agreement with Triathlon Canada Project is hiring a Canadian staff member and will be building the Canadian web store.

What is compulsory and why do I have to order the whole team kit?
There are very strict guidelines in place that are set by the International Triathlon Union for major international competitions. The ITU has uniform requirements, which are stated in the ITU Competition Rules. All athletes must wear the exact same race suit in the discipline, which they are competing in. The rules also state the colour and design of the uniform, along with podium apparel, must be distinct to that country and must be approved by the ITU in advance.

Given this, Triathlon Canada has a mandatory Team Uniform to ensure that athletes meet all of the ITU Requirements. The uniform is non-negotiable. The Team Uniform includes:
  1. Race Suit
  2. T-Shirt
  3. Shorts/Skirt or Backpack
  4. Team Jacket


While Triathlon Canada has submitted the payment of Race Fees to the Local Organizing Committee, we are still responsible for submitting athlete’s names to the ITU Start list. We only submit those athletes in good-standing with Triathlon Canada. Should you not comply to the uniform requirements, you would therefore not be in good-standing and would not be eligible to compete.


Why did you include a jacket as a compulsory item when it will be very warm in Penticton in August?
Based on the feedback we heard from age group Team Canada athletes in our 2016 Triathlon Canada survey, athletes ranked the following in order of importance to them: jacket, tri-shorts and tri-top in the mandatory Team Uniform/Parade kit. They also asked to use the Race Suit for at least two years in a row to save money. We listened to our athletes and this has been negotiated in the new agreement with Project.

How is the Age-Group Team Canada funded?
Athlete participation on Team Canada is completely self-funded. There are significant costs that are involved in selecting and managing a national team to compete at World Championships. As a result, Triathlon Canada takes a $150 Team Management Fee, which pays for the year-round administration and management of Age-Group Team Canada. Specifically, the funds support the identification and selection of Triathlon Canada Qualification Events, athlete registration and acceptance, development and coordination of accommodation, travel, uniform design and administration, health and safety of athletes, insurance and bike support. Triathlon Canada also supplies a management team at each race who is responsible for managing the team, liaising with the ITU, providing daily information updates, athlete briefings, coached familiarization rides, organizing team dinners and “office hours” to help each and every athlete in their race preparation and coordination. It also includes a team “Meet and Greet”-- a special social event organized to provide Canadian athletes with a unique opportunity can get to know their teammates over food and beverages in a fun environment.

As a non-profit organization, all additional funds are re-directed into the Age-Group Team Canada program. Triathlon Canada's Olympic and Paralympic program is funded entirely by all levels of government, along with corporate support. Age-group program fees do not support the Olympic and Paralympic program.

What are Triathlon Canada’s refund policies?
Team Management Fees: All team management fees are non-refundable. Athletes, under no circumstances, will be able to defer their team management fee to a subsequent ITU World Championship event, nor are they able to transfer this fee to another athlete.

Race Fees: It is important to note Triathlon Canada is not responsible for setting race fees. This is done by the ITU and Local Organizing Committees (LOC). Race fees can be refunded by formal written request to Triathlon Canada up until the deadline where funds are transferred to the Local Organizing Committee (LOC). The deadline for the transfer of funds to the LOC is specific to each ITU World Championship Event. Triathlon Canada will identify the deadline for refunds at the same time athletes are notified of the race fee payment. All information will be posted on the Triathlon Canada web site. If a written request is received prior to this deadline, Triathlon Canada will issue a refund less the transaction and administration fee to process the refund. If written request is sent after this deadline, all race fee payments will be non-refundable. Athletes, under no circumstances, will be able to defer their race fee payment to a subsequent year.

Uniforms: It is imperative that athletes use the sizing chart to determine their correct suit measurements and the correct fit for all items. There will be no refunds on clothing orders. The exception is if there is a manufacturers error. Please contact Project should you have any questions.

Project Contact: Project trican@projectclothing.com.au

I hope this helps clarify some of your questions and concerns. Once again, I thank you for expressing your concerns to me directly. You are a valued member of the Triathlon Canada Nation.


Seems pretty valid to me. If you do not like just do not go. Pretty simple.

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Re: Triathlon Canada WTF???? [trijunkie123] [ In reply to ]
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Also minimum compulsory uniform order is appox. $400.

But, they're representing their country...
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There is very little that is truly 'valid' or ok with that. That is a weak attempt to answer some questions and not get to the heart of it.
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Sanuk wrote:
Also minimum compulsory uniform order is appox. $400.

But, they're representing their country...

And one can fully not do the race. Why is this so hard?

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Sanuk wrote:
Also minimum compulsory uniform order is appox. $400.

But, they're representing their country...

And? Attending 'world champs' as part of the national team is for people who can afford it and have a desire to go. This isn't the Olympics or the WTS events that select a handful of the best in the world.

They certainly don't need to have a minimum uniform order that includes anything but a race suit, however I'm sure that has more to do with deals struck with suppliers and less with the ITU regulations around podium gear.
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Thanks for quoting the entire post...really useful and makes reading the thread much easier...
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Re: Triathlon Canada WTF???? [Jctriguy] [ In reply to ]
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FWIW, I purchased ONLY the race suit. I suggest all other Canadian athletes do the same.
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I guess I would have less of a problem with the compulsory uniform if it wasn't priced so ridiculously high. $50 for what is essentially a plain white tech t, and $75 for essentially plain black shorts or skirt? Feels more like a money grab. And while a survey may have shown athletes to be most interested in a "jacket", to interpret that as a winter jacket for a summer event seems a bit off.
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The only thing that the Technical Officials care about is your race suit... twice I have been asked to show it at events to make sure it met regulations... my warm up outfit was irrelevant

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Mckid wrote:

Triathlon Canada had a tight timeline to select an official clothing supplier in order to meet the demands of uniform preparation. As a result, Project Clothing was unable to set-up the Canadian-based office prior to uniform orders being required—thus we are using their existing site, which requires the items be charged in Australian dollars. However, because we have an agreement with Project on pricing in Canadian dollars, this was reflected on the web site. While I appreciate this may be confusing to our community, it is being fixed, and Project Clothing will have an employee and Canadian branch with a Canadian based web store in place later this spring.

This doesn't do us any good when we have to place orders by this Sunday...
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Re: Triathlon Canada WTF???? [SMO] [ In reply to ]
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Yes, I have. Making slow progress.
And, yes, it is never too late to change the deal.
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Re: Triathlon Canada WTF???? [realAB] [ In reply to ]
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So - I figured I'd hedge my bets and see if I could get away w just ordering the Tri suit, as I'm not planning on going to parade, and I won't need podium apparel.

My order went through online ok.

But I just got an email from TriCanada ... I totally got caught!!

Oh well, worth a shot. I'm in this deep already so might as well finish it off.

L
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Re: Triathlon Canada WTF???? [trijunkie123] [ In reply to ]
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LOL....looks like USAT isn't the only "not so subtle" scammer in the business.
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I guess I would have less of a problem with the compulsory uniform if it wasn't priced so ridiculously high. $50 for what is essentially a plain white tech t, and $75 for essentially plain black shorts or skirt? Feels more like a money grab. And while a survey may have shown athletes to be most interested in a "jacket", to interpret that as a winter jacket for a summer event seems a bit off.

If we join the AFL Umpires, we get that same $50 shirt for $28.60... we triathletes must really be suckers.
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I just placed my order, required 10 minutes on the phone with my credit card company so I could 'splain why I was ordering 500$ worth of clothes from australia. Fun times.

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Once again Dave you are missing the point. Of course people have an option to not race but when you're already $750 into it with race entry and team fees and then they hit you with another $400+ mandatory uniform order it gets to be a bit much. Also TriCan was not p front with a lot of the costs.

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Once again Dave you are missing the point. Of course people have an option to not race but when you're already $750 into it with race entry and team fees and then they hit you with another $400+ mandatory uniform order it gets to be a bit much. Also TriCan was not p front with a lot of the costs.

Not missing the point. These costs have been around the same for years. Folks bitch about them EVERY year.
So really no surprises.

Let someone else go that will really enjoy the experience.

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So does that mean you were required to purchase all the kits....uniform+parade gear+ (whatever else they require).

I wish there was an option "race kit only" and if you only get the race kit and no parade uniform you dont do the parade...simple. I saw the AG parade in Cozumel, and was actually impressed. Was very fun and engaging and crowd support BUT if you didnt want to fly in til a day later (or that night) and skipped it...i *hope* you have option to not have to pay for that.

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Yep, you are required to purchase "compulsory" gear - race kit, parade outfit ($50 white t-shirt with a small TriCan logo and $75 black shorts or skirt with a small TriCan logo), and a winter cycling jacket (for an August event). I don't really have a problem with compulsory items if they are reasonable. In this case, the costs are ridiculous for what the items are, and is a winter jacket really necessary? I know it's Canada, but it's not actually winter all year here! My understanding is that if you don't purchase those items, your name will not be on the list of "athletes in good standing" sent to the ITU for their event start lists. Seems a bit heavy-handed to me.
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Yes. I got an email from TriCan, saying that my order was incomplete. The gist of it was that the full 4 piece uniform is compulsory and a requirement of participating as a member of the team, and that athletes not in good standing would not be included on the start list provided by Triathlon Canada to ITU. The language was slightly cloudy, but it implied that if full uniform was not purchased, I wouldn't be considered member in good standing and name would not be included on start list.
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h2ofun wrote:
trijunkie123 wrote:
Once again Dave you are missing the point. Of course people have an option to not race but when you're already $750 into it with race entry and team fees and then they hit you with another $400+ mandatory uniform order it gets to be a bit much. Also TriCan was not p front with a lot of the costs.


Not missing the point. These costs have been around the same for years. Folks bitch about them EVERY year.
So really no surprises.

Let someone else go that will really enjoy the experience.

Yeah, you are missing the point.
You assume everyone does these races every year.
In fact, most people do them once.... because of the cost!

TriCan has done some things wrong here:
1) They made us pay for a Canadian race in USD.
2) They misrepresented the uniform costs.
3) They demand we purchase a winter jacket for a race in a city that regularly gets over 30 degrees (86F) Celcius daily.
4) Last years previous kits are perfectly fine with the ITU, but apparently not good enough for TriCan who demand another be purchased.

When you are treated only as a blatant source of revenue, it sours the experience.
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h2ofun wrote:
trijunkie123 wrote:
Once again Dave you are missing the point. Of course people have an option to not race but when you're already $750 into it with race entry and team fees and then they hit you with another $400+ mandatory uniform order it gets to be a bit much. Also TriCan was not p front with a lot of the costs.


Not missing the point. These costs have been around the same for years. Folks bitch about them EVERY year.
So really no surprises.

Let someone else go that will really enjoy the experience.


Yeah, you are missing the point.
You assume everyone does these races every year.
In fact, most people do them once.... because of the cost!

TriCan has done some things wrong here:
1) They made us pay for a Canadian race in USD.
2) They misrepresented the uniform costs.
3) They demand we purchase a winter jacket for a race in a city that regularly gets over 30 degrees (86F) Celcius daily.
4) Last years previous kits are perfectly fine with the ITU, but apparently not good enough for TriCan who demand another be purchased.

When you are treated only as a blatant source of revenue, it sours the experience.

I totally disagree TriCan, or even USAT are doing these things.

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I totally disagree TriCan, or even USAT are doing these things.

Now if one is a snowflake, well, .....


Your reputation on this forum is well deserved.
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h2ofun wrote:

I totally disagree TriCan, or even USAT are doing these things.

Now if one is a snowflake, well, .....


Your reputation on this forum is well deserved.

Agreed! USAT leads the way in this and it seems TriCan is following in the footsteps. I have to laugh when they say how the sport is dying and "how can we invigorate it?", when they pull this crap and run those without deep pockets from the race. I turned down the slot I earned with a national champ podium finish as I realized for the money, our federation, who we REPRESENT is robbing us. I represent many companies through the years in tri, and I have never seen such one sided treatment. I feel for you all up north, and every day I'm more glad I stopped the bleeding and turned down the slot. I would have loved to race there, but ITU and the country federations are killing the golden goose with their greed. No more for me until things change and at least athletes have a say.
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h2ofun wrote:
NordicSkier wrote:
h2ofun wrote:
trijunkie123 wrote:
Once again Dave you are missing the point. Of course people have an option to not race but when you're already $750 into it with race entry and team fees and then they hit you with another $400+ mandatory uniform order it gets to be a bit much. Also TriCan was not p front with a lot of the costs.


Not missing the point. These costs have been around the same for years. Folks bitch about them EVERY year.
So really no surprises.

Let someone else go that will really enjoy the experience.


Yeah, you are missing the point.
You assume everyone does these races every year.
In fact, most people do them once.... because of the cost!

TriCan has done some things wrong here:
1) They made us pay for a Canadian race in USD.
2) They misrepresented the uniform costs.
3) They demand we purchase a winter jacket for a race in a city that regularly gets over 30 degrees (86F) Celcius daily.
4) Last years previous kits are perfectly fine with the ITU, but apparently not good enough for TriCan who demand another be purchased.

When you are treated only as a blatant source of revenue, it sours the experience.

I totally disagree TriCan, or even USAT are doing these things.

Now if one is a snowflake, well, .....

Can you review your comment and write in clear English, please? Are you saying you disagree with both USAT and TriCan for these types of poor communication/planning? Or, are you saying that you don't think either org is doing anything wrong?

Also, you are a complete hypocritic to continue insulting people when you rail on about poor behaviour online. Apparently posting with your name doesn't stop you from adding personal insults to most of your posts.
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Someone wrote: Let someone else go that will really enjoy the experience.


I did that (turned down my spot in the 50-54)

And the with the money I saved, I bought a case of Bud Lite Lime.

You are welcome.

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h2ofun wrote:

I totally disagree TriCan, or even USAT are doing these things.

Now if one is a snowflake, well, .....


Your reputation on this forum is well deserved.

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I think this is the crux of the issue is it not? Has TriCAN perhaps agreed a certain $$$ revenue stream with the supplier? i.e. we'll guarantee you $400 x # of participants signed up?

While they are perfectly entitled to set their own rules, it seems extremely petty to enforce a minimum spend on gear.

I'm signed up and already too deep to pull out (there's a euphemism in there somewhere), so will see you guys there!
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FYI, people did follow up with Tri can, and it looks like the race kit will be good for at least the next two years, so if you're racing worlds in either of those years, you can look froward to only having to buy parade items, and not the race suit...

So at least there's that...
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I did the exact same thing..............duhhh. I just don't get all this complaining......I did my first worlds back in 95 and it was the same thing and the uniforms were even uglier and back then I was a student with no money. Positive was not every tom dick and harry could get in ie. it didn't roll down, you typically had to be top 10 in your age group at least to get a spot nationally. I think tri canada fees in 95 were the same or maybe 50 bucks cheaper? I think the complaining should be more about how we have made the world champs a money grab by how anyone can qualify.......why do you think hawaii has such prestige?
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yup
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I haven't...............maybe it's coming
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Exactly. Moving to 18 per age group is such a massive shift to a participation event and away for people really going for excellence. As a participation focused event, people should be understanding of paying full price and a little extra for the prestige.
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I would disagree in that I bet the sport's participant numbers have increased a ton since '95. So in reality it's still the same % of excellence. I'll look to see if i can find some numbers to distinguish which was more prestigous. Saying you made top 10 with 100 in your AG is the same as saying you made top 18 with 180 people now. But yes you'll hear the stories of them rolling down to anyone, but I bet on average overall, we have more participants racing nationals and going for qualifying spots and thus the same % of top people make it versus 20 years ago when less people were in it.

ETA: Here is a quick trend for USAT atleast published in their 2015 report. Not going back to '95 specifically but atleast shows what the numbers are at:

At the end of 1999, membership (annual and one-day) stood at 127,824. Those numbers had more than doubled to 262,703 by 2005, and USA Triathlon continued to experience double-digit annual growth through 2007 when it reached 336,356 members.

After hitting 441,060 members in 2009, USA Triathlon consistently experienced 4 percent growth in 2010 and 2011 before a 5.64 percent increase in annual and one-day members in 2012, topping out at a record high 510,859. One-day memberships now stand at over 477,000.


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I would disagree in that I bet the sport's participant numbers have increased a ton since '95. So in reality it's still the same % of excellence. I'll look to see if i can find some numbers to distinguish which was more prestigous. Saying you made top 10 with 100 in your AG is the same as saying you made top 18 with 180 people now. But yes you'll hear the stories of them rolling down to anyone, but I bet on average overall, we have more participants racing nationals and going for qualifying spots and thus the same % of top people make it versus 20 years ago when less people were in it.

ETA: Here is a quick trend for USAT atleast published in their 2015 report. Not going back to '95 specifically but atleast shows what the numbers are at:

At the end of 1999, membership (annual and one-day) stood at 127,824. Those numbers had more than doubled to 262,703 by 2005, and USA Triathlon continued to experience double-digit annual growth through 2007 when it reached 336,356 members.

After hitting 441,060 members in 2009, USA Triathlon consistently experienced 4 percent growth in 2010 and 2011 before a 5.64 percent increase in annual and one-day members in 2012, topping out at a record high 510,859. One-day memberships now stand at over 477,000.


I concur with your line of argument although it tends to implode a little in the senior ranks where in some events everyone entered would qualify because there are only 18 or less. As to rolling down to anyone ... USAT limits the roll down to the 25th position. So in reality, and given the costs of travel (especially when the worlds are not in the U.S.) anyone in the top 25 can go if they want, but if you are #26 or higher then you are out; unlike that other event where lightning strikes maybe a couple of times a year and #76 or such gets a slot.
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More doesn't equal better. Marathon times are slower even though more people race now. I think it would be interesting to see the trend of times at worlds events over the years. Some really fast people always show, but a lot are just there for a trip and get roll down spots or buy a spot. Look at the difference in the host country team vs years when they aren't hosting.
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I'm not saying it's better. I'm saying using the arguement that 1995 was somehow better quality because top 10 only went...I ain't buying it. 25 years ago you could pretty much go to Kona if you wanted to, it was fairly easy to qualify.

Of course it's becoming "participant"? Why because triathlon has exploded in popularity to what it was in 1995. So it's still likely fairly the same excellency representing w top 18 now. That was my point. Saying 1995 was better quality.....eh ok, so your the best of a small population.

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I'm not saying it's better. I'm saying using the arguement that 1995 was somehow better quality because top 10 only went...I ain't buying it. 25 years ago you could pretty much go to Kona if you wanted to, it was fairly easy to qualify.

Of course it's becoming "participant"? Why because triathlon has exploded in popularity to what it was in 1995. So it's still likely fairly the same excellency representing w top 18 now. That was my point. Saying 1995 was better quality.....eh ok, so your the best of a small population.

Lots of assumptions there. And I'm not sure what it means to be a winner in a big population if most of those people are recreational and not elite performers. Do you feel better at Boston because you are top 5% in a massive field or because you finished within 5% of the winner? I guess some like to say they are 50th at itu worlds and 50,000 people complete a triathlon in that age group...good for them??

Itu worlds is a participation/travel event. The top few are trying to be competitive and most others are going to be part of the team. Good for them, but let's not get too bent out of shape when told to pay up.
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Won't likely be racing AG worlds again until 2020... will probably need a new suit by then

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What assumption did I make?

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As a triathlete/runner, i know how races can be expensive when you start to travel aboard with the Bike, hotel-airbnb,....i would like to share with you a project i'm working on.
TRANSMUTE, a peer to peer currency exchange App which will be available soon. It will be free and will allow you to be in contact with people who are interested in getting the currency you have and you the currency they have. That way no need to pay extra fees at the ATM or get your cash at a bad exchange rate. It will also work when you come back in the US with some leftover currency, you might find interesting to exchange it with someone near you.
Just have a look on your rest day or if you do some cycling trainers :
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If you are interested in following us there is the facebook and twitter on the bottom of the page.

Enjoy your training guys! :)

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They're also charging Elite/pro athletes this year. Heather and I are sponsored by Louis Garneau, who now make a very nice ITU legal suit. Tri Can is making us buy from Project and pay for shipping from Australia if we want to compete at the Long Course WC in Penticton...and get our own logos put on. It's insane. Who from Tri Canada is profiting off the Project Clothing "Sponsorship". It has got to be some sort of inside deal crap.
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If Canadian pros boycotted when Tri-Canada is hosting I bet they would not pull that stunt again.
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Very odd indeed (the whole Project thing). Having said that I guess you can understand them trying to keep everyone in one suit for maintaining brand awareness?

Are many from ST still going? I wonder if we could arrange a meet-up pre-race outside of the regular Tri Can stuff? I know they've a FB group up under the most vaguely-named title!
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Has anyone received their kit yet?

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They're supposed to have shipped today
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They're supposed to have shipped today

Thanks! I was wondering when I'll have to pony up for the taxes and duties :/

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I heard from a couple of athletes who contacted Project that shipping is delayed till July 10th.
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yikes! sizing etc better be spot on- that doesn't leave a lot of time for remediation. Tri Can needs to give their respective heads a shake.

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I got lucky and had a chance to try on a Project suit from a friend's previous trip to Worlds before I ordered. Crossing my fingers that the sizing/fit hasn't changed.
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"They're also charging Elite/pro athletes this year. Heather and I are sponsored by Louis Garneau, who now make a very nice ITU legal suit. Tri Can is making us buy from Project and pay for shipping from Australia if we want to compete at the Long Course WC in Penticton...and get our own logos put on. It's insane. Who from Tri Canada is profiting off the Project Clothing "Sponsorship". It has got to be some sort of inside deal crap."


I won't wade into whether Tri Can should be comping suits for elites... I also won't wade into the merits of the rules themselves. But I can answer to the issue of why you have to wear the kit from Project, and can't wear your LG "ITU legal" suit... For major events such as world championships (and olympics) and WTS, there is a catalogue of approved kit designs for each country, and they can only have limited options (usually two designs per gender) and are almost always sponsor correct to the national federation. I believe the intent is for a harmonious look across the team at the event, but it's not a Tri Can thing, it's an ITU thing. Showing up with a kit outside of the approved designs will result in either not being allowed to start, or having to wear a generic ITU kit for the race. There is more leeway at other events like continental cup races, but not at the ITU WC level.

There's more info available in the ITU Uniform rules (you can also view the approved design catalogues on the ITU Website in the documents section)...

An ITU Legal suit means it meets the basic uniform guidelines for ITU events (in terms of zipper sizing and placement, fabrics, and likely the presence of the ITU logo), but for top tier events, that's not enough, because the design has to be approved for your national federation (from what is said in the rules, the intent appears to be two fold, a harmonious look for each national team, and so that the kits of different countries are fairly distinct from one another).

I'm not defending the rules, but in this situation, this is doesn't look like a case of Tri Can trying to cash in, it's a case of them sticking to the Uniform rules.
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We also have population that is is one tenth the size of the US. Less people going for those spots.

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Re: Triathlon Canada WTF???? [HuffNPuff] [ In reply to ]
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Never happen.

I demanded and got a refund on my Project clothing and entered the open wave.

Screw trican and it's mandatory uniform crap.
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Never happen.

I demanded and got a refund on my Project clothing and entered the open wave.

Screw trican and it's mandatory uniform crap.

Yeah, the pros have never been able to organize effectively. However, as noted above, it is possibly the ITU, not Tri-Can, that is behind the uniform rules. Seems silly though.
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Here are links:

Uniform Catalogues: http://www.triathlon.org/.../uniforms_catalogues
and the rules: http://www.triathlon.org/...ition-rules_2017.pdf (starting on page 138 (Appendix F, #4 explains the limits around kit designs, as I had explained above))

the uniform rules also give the regulations around adding sponsor logos to the kit (size and placement).
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Anyone get a ship notification from FedEx yet? According to email from TriCan kits were supposed to start shipping June 27 and we'd get a ship notification from Fedex

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On FB Group the latest was July 10th
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No notification yet, but people have started to get their kits according to the Tri Can FB group for Penticton... If you don't have a shipping confirmation or your package by July 7th, then you should follow up with Project, according to Tri Can...
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Yup I'll email to see what's up. Thanks

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Who from Tri Canada is profiting off the Project Clothing "Sponsorship".

Yep. Just follow the money.

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On FB Group the latest was July 10th
^^Yep, this.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BU65SlPhyGX/


https://www.instagram.com/p/BWAELYvl7Db/

Same country different kits.


I saw athletes wearing other kits in Cozumel ITU said nothing as long as the suit had ITU/surname/country code/logos done right

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I believe both of those kit styles are in the catalogue, but those are also at WTS races, rather than a world championship, where they tend to be more flexible when it comes to enforcement (also worth noting the approved kit catalogue is different for AGers than elites)... I suppose you could roll the dice and show up with a different kit, but depending on who you get as an official controlling your kit, you may not be allowed to start... (as much as the price is steep, I'd rather spend the extra $200 on the right kit, then travel all that way to be told to go home...)

Not sure about Cozumel since I wasn't there, so I can't comment on that one... Some countries have a couple of very distinct kit options in the catalogue, it varies by National Federation. But again, I wasn't there and didn't see the variations that were worn.
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Anyone get a ship notification from FedEx yet? According to email from TriCan kits were supposed to start shipping June 27 and we'd get a ship notification from Fedex

NO. I sent an email as such and was told to send an email to project if I had not heard anything by July 7. I am not feeling confident.
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Dave, you are simply wrong. They never were this high, and if you paid attention, I have NEVER seen the team full. They go, what, 16 deep in each AG? Having done a number myself and seeing the kits at other races I do, the quality of the team is not very high as so many good athletes see the cost as ridiculous and the "roll down" goes waaaaayyyyyy down to people that are frankly not very fast or representative of their country, but have money and the ego to wear the kit at every race they do. Many years I was shocked at how slow many were in my own AG. This ain't the Olympics buddy!
Agree with this... although it seems a bit Elitist, its the truth.

Trican sound like TeamUSA with the added pain of paying in a foreign currency.
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Re: Triathlon Canada WTF???? [rhayden] [ In reply to ]
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Yup, emailed TriCan and got the same response. What a f-ing shit show, still have no idea why they would use an Australian supplier and not local such as Garneau????

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Re: Triathlon Canada WTF???? [trijunkie123] [ In reply to ]
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Yup, emailed TriCan and got the same response. What a f-ing shit show, still have no idea why they would use an Australian supplier and not local such as Garneau????

Well, the US went local with Roka and it's a shit show.....But, at least LG has done a tri suit before and makes nice stuff.
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Re: Triathlon Canada WTF???? [xeon] [ In reply to ]
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Dave, you are simply wrong. They never were this high, and if you paid attention, I have NEVER seen the team full. They go, what, 16 deep in each AG? Having done a number myself and seeing the kits at other races I do, the quality of the team is not very high as so many good athletes see the cost as ridiculous and the "roll down" goes waaaaayyyyyy down to people that are frankly not very fast or representative of their country, but have money and the ego to wear the kit at every race they do. Many years I was shocked at how slow many were in my own AG. This ain't the Olympics buddy!

Agree with this... although it seems a bit Elitist, its the truth.

Trican sound like TeamUSA with the added pain of paying in a foreign currency.

I get what you say about sounding a bit "elitist", but when you represent the country at a WC, I feel it should be. Standards are quite low and it seems the luster is truly coming off with the insane expenses added on and ITU dictating so much. After qualifying I looked into it and found I could do an IM AND a 70.3 for about the same as what I'd pay for that. While times used to be good in the past, the money grab that this has become is killing it IMO. Our USAT is frankly a disaster and they keep staying the same course that hasn't worked for a number of years now. They seem to be the Sears of triathlon.
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Re: Triathlon Canada WTF???? [trijunkie123] [ In reply to ]
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I'm not going to defend some of the chaos going on, but.... As a government funded entity, Tri Can is likely obligated, in a procurement process, after screening against mandatory requirements (of which i have no idea what they would be), to select the most economical bid. Unless being a locally based was a mandatory criteria, it means that any domestic bids were not as competitive as to what Project offered. That doesn't mean it's the cheapest for us as age groupers, it means it was the most economical deal for Tri Can, whatever that means.

In terms of the gong show, a few points worth pointing out. I suspect a very similar outcome would have ensued regardless of what company won the bid, for a number of reasons. Firstly, in the past, whoever provided the kit was able to space out production, into smaller batches with different due dates, due to multiple world championship events that were spaced out. This is the first ITU World Multisport Festival brining all of these events into one city over 9 days, which drastically condenses the production times that the companies need to deal with. Secondly, with Canada being the host nation, our numbers are substantially larger than they would be for a world championship held outside of north america (You can look at patterns in age group team size over the years, and they always peak whenever the championships are close to home, or where travel costs are more reasonable, versus say when the championships are held in Australia, or Asia). This further exacerbates tight turnaround times for production. Then there's also the specific issue of the kit being a custom design (not a stock base pattern) and each one needing to have the athlete's name printed on the kit, meaning it would be harder to bulk produce (they should have asked for historic data from past championships to get an idea of the basic size distributions to help get a jump start though). These issues would have effected any manufacturer local or foreign... I've never worn Project, and haven't received my kit yet, so I can't speak to the quality of their garments versus some of the Canadian companies. But I would suspect the only difference we might have experienced with a Canadian company would have been to be charged in Canadian dollars (australian dollars are so close to canadian dollars in value, this difference is almost moot) and maybe saving $15 in shipping costs (there's a lot of heterogeneity in item costs for custom designs, so it's impossible to speculate on the difference in item costs as part of the kit.... based on my gut feeling, the tri suit prices are pretty standard and fairly close to what we paid in the past with other kit manufacturers, the jacket cost is very reasonable (less than the item price for team jackets for some of the past worlds I have raced), the shorts/bag are kind of pointless, but similar in costs to track pants I've had to get for past worlds parade kit, and the tech shirt, this is the one that is substantially higher than I've paid in the past for worlds)... The one big win Tri Can could have had with a domestic manufacturer is being able to say they support canadian businesses... The big win for us would have been easier communication with the manufacturers around these issues (which again, would likely have still happened regardless of where the kits came from) being housed in same or similar timezones to us (rather than having to deal with a substantial time difference to Australia since Project hasn't set up a Canadian office yet, as they have committed to doing as part of the deal (I do not work for tri can, I have no knowledge of the deal itself, other than the details that have been publicly communicated in the team updates)).

The other component to the whole thing where I would put some fault on Tri Can was the timing of the Bid process for a kit contract. This should have taken place and wrapped up in the fall/winter... It wasn't until Feb/March that the deal with Project was announced, and then there's the lag for designs to be created, submitted to the ITU for approval, and for approvals to be obtained, and then for the web store to be built and launched. Meaning it wasn't until April that ordering began. Had this been wrapped up by Christmas, ordering could have started in February, which would have given any manufacturer a bit more breathing room to handle this scale of custom production. I mean who knows, maybe an earlier time frame was the intent, but there were a lack of suitable bids, or negotiations took longer, or whatever, but this is the one aspect of the whole thing where I would argue there was fault on Tri Can's part. The other thing that I would lay some blame at was the lack of availability of sample pieces to try on (in the past Tri Can has had samples from their manufacturer at select events and expos where people could attend and tri on to figure out fit), since there are no shops as far as I know in Canada selling their products. Hopefully for the next few years (since the deal is through the 2020 games) they will be able to do this...

I do think people need to chill a bit, many past years kit has been delivered directly to the team hotel at worlds, rather than to us at home over a month in advance. For example with 2013 Worlds in Ottawa, with Champion System kit, and the race two weeks earlier than the first event in Penticton, I would have gotten my kit a week or so ago (other worlds I got my kit closer to the event), because I remember wearing it in a race with 2 weeks of getting the kit and that race is happening tomorrow (06 in cornerbrook it came a week before I flew out to worlds...)... The biggest difference this year is that there's a much larger volume of people expecting their kit on the same timeline, and they're all linked via social media to be catalysts to others complaints and worries... I get that people are excited, because of lack of communications and some pushing back of timelines people are afraid they will miss their deliveries while on vacation, and with the tight window for reorder, people are nervous about the fit. But it is a tri suit, not a cure for cancer... Another week is not the end of the world (it'll still be a month out from the race...).
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Re: Triathlon Canada WTF???? [ggeiger] [ In reply to ]
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I agree with you, it seems to be less and less of an elite field.
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Re: Triathlon Canada WTF???? [trijunkie123] [ In reply to ]
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Hi has anyone had this issue? My wife is doing the long coarse and we ordered all the compulsory kits plus a few extras back around April. We then get a email late May saying she was going to be kicked off the team unless she orders her compulsory clothing. We contact tri can showing proof of the purchase ( email confirmation of the payment by Eway and even our bank statement showing the funds deducted from our account) Tri can in turn gives us the clothing reps email we try to communicate with him but all we get is a we're looking into it response. WTF I can't get a response from them ,no fed ex tracking notification as of July 7 the and this company is half way around the world with our $692 cdn. Canada has 2 quality clothing manufacturers.

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Re: Triathlon Canada WTF???? [Kirch] [ In reply to ]
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Exciting to see this year they're going with 2XU. However I'm mostly here to ask if everyone else has been receiving updates. This will (hopefully) be my first AG worlds. I got newsletter #4 and haven't gotten an AG worlds related email since? I'm wondering if I got kicked off the list for some reason? I've paid my down payment (team management fee) and hotel and updated my provincial triathlon membership for this year ( i think there were 2 days between expiry and renewal). I emailed Shauna and Rachel and haven't heard anything back. It's just been almost 2 months with no word and I'm starting to worry something has gone wrong.

Thanks in advance for any help!
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Re: Triathlon Canada WTF???? [CoolDownChamp] [ In reply to ]
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CoolDownChamp wrote:
Exciting to see this year they're going with 2XU. However I'm mostly here to ask if everyone else has been receiving updates. This will (hopefully) be my first AG worlds. I got newsletter #4 and haven't gotten an AG worlds related email since? I'm wondering if I got kicked off the list for some reason? I've paid my down payment (team management fee) and hotel and updated my provincial triathlon membership for this year ( i think there were 2 days between expiry and renewal). I emailed Shauna and Rachel and haven't heard anything back. It's just been almost 2 months with no word and I'm starting to worry something has gone wrong.

Thanks in advance for any help!

Which event are you racing in, i.e. are you going to Denmark or Australia? I'm going to Fyn for the duathlon events and I've ordered my kit and paid up my event registration fees (I'm applying for a second mortgage as we speak). I can dig up emails and forward them if you PM me your email address.

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Re: Triathlon Canada WTF???? [Richard Blaine] [ In reply to ]
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Richard Blaine wrote:
CoolDownChamp wrote:
Exciting to see this year they're going with 2XU. However I'm mostly here to ask if everyone else has been receiving updates. This will (hopefully) be my first AG worlds. I got newsletter #4 and haven't gotten an AG worlds related email since? I'm wondering if I got kicked off the list for some reason? I've paid my down payment (team management fee) and hotel and updated my provincial triathlon membership for this year ( i think there were 2 days between expiry and renewal). I emailed Shauna and Rachel and haven't heard anything back. It's just been almost 2 months with no word and I'm starting to worry something has gone wrong.

Thanks in advance for any help!


Which event are you racing in, i.e. are you going to Denmark or Australia? I'm going to Fyn for the duathlon events and I've ordered my kit and paid up my event registration fees (I'm applying for a second mortgage as we speak). I can dig up emails and forward them if you PM me your email address.

Sorry I should have specified it's actually Australia. Thank you so much regardless!
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I am going to Australia as well and was wondering the same thing. I called Triathlon Canada yesterday and they told me that the next newsletter would be coming next week. We'll see what happens.
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Re: Triathlon Canada WTF???? [Larry NC] [ In reply to ]
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The store for gold coast should be open sometime next week. I'm helping out as AG team manager. Once it's open, we'll send out an update with ordering info.
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Re: Triathlon Canada WTF???? [CoolDownChamp] [ In reply to ]
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Still lots of time for Australia, With Multisport Worlds in Denmark being a month and change earlier than Penticton last year, there's more urgency to get kit and the sort organized for Fyn first, before getting everything set for Gold Coast. That being said, I anticipate way fewer kit related mishaps this year. First of all, it's not Project... 2XU is australian, but they have solid distribution in Canada (for many of us racing Fyn, we were able to find a local shop that at least had some 2XU products to get an idea of sizing), and are known to produce higher quality kit... Secondly, with the multisport championships not being in Canada, the Grand final in Australia, and changes to the qualifying process, the team sizes will be much smaller this year, so there's not the sheer volume of people to kit up, there's a bigger spread between the championships (as mentioned above, Fyn is a month earlier than Penticton was, the Grand Final is always in the same ballpark...) which makes things a bit easier on whomever is supplying the kit, to pace their production, and to have time for quality control...

I for one am happy that I have yet to see the "team" facebook groups like we had last year... While it was a good way to communicate and to meet others, I have never seen such an atomic bomb of bitching, moaning and negativity (especially all things Project...)...
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