Well, to be fair, so are you :P but umlauts are a pain in the ass.

Brad Kearns? Maybe. Maybe it was the aerobars ...

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Why did it happen in 2006 - AND 2008. Wouldn't you think you would learn your lesson? I don't know Tim, I just know if he was named Lance, or you were talking to someone with common sense.....that being busted (or conveniently missing the testing) 2X should result in questioning anything the guy lays down.

Does it take fitness and awesomeness to break the WR..YEP.....does his past make me question the legitimacy of his effort....YEP.

Your list is a joke when you leave off Brownlee and Frodeno. Frodeno has proven is bike strength time and time again. And your asking a guy (Brownlee) who has 2 Olympic golds and more wins than most of your list combined to prove himself? That is just dumb

SO you think that makes my list a joke. I already said a couple times that Allistar is knocking on the door, probably will leave no doubt at the 70.3 worlds. It is tough to rate ITU guys, but he for sure is the best of that group.

And Frondeno, come on now. There are 3 guys on the list that routinely beat him in 1/2 and full ironman rides. Starky, Keinle, and now Sanders all outride him in virtually every race they do together. He is a great biker, and uber triathlete, but uber biker, don't think so. And even if you go back a couple decades, those other guys on my list probably beat him too. Hell, Normans record is still out there for the taking, Leito just a few seconds behind, both riders doing it pretty much off the front too..

I am wondering if guys like Frodeno or Mark Allen or Brownlee would be on your uber cyclists list if they just wanted a big lead off the bike. Look at your list, most relied on the bike and could never follow it up with a great run.
Pigg could short course, but not at Ironman.
If you put it all out there on the bike, you may seem faster than the guy that takes the overall win.
Not saying your guys aren't uber, just that many had to go all in. Not sure there aren't a lot more that know that the winner is almost always a great runner too.

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Yup. Someone appointed Monty Pope today, he's rolling. Could you possibly make 'My List,'?, Alistair...not worthy. Hmmm. T.O.? Not worthy...Hmmm. It's a nostalgia trip for the old school, take it for what it is...not sure your list matters.

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Monty- Regarding Frodeno- you may want to recheck the 2015 70.3 World Championship, and the last 2 Kona's. Frodeno rides exactly what he needs to ride to win the races he wants to win, nothing more and nothing less. Exactly as Brownlee does. Frodeno lost the 70.3 World's in Canada when he underestimated Javier's run. He did not let that happen again in Austria, riding off the front and leaving both Keinle and Saunders in his dust. You are allowing yourself to be fooled by over focusing on bike splits. Both Brownlee and Frodeno have consistently shown they can ride the bike as fast as it takes- just ask Matt :-) If you held a 70.3 time trial bike with a million dollar purse- I think you would see Brownlee first, and probably Frodeno second. No doubt all of those on your list are great riders, but I think you underestimate the (legal) advantage Saunders gets in every race sling shoting through the field until he reaches the lead pack. Starky could very well be 2 or 3 as he almost always rides from the front (who knows, maybe even # 1). Another rider you are overlooking is Maca, who used to kill everyone on the bike, until he realized he could win more races by dialing it back when he could.
It is YOUR list, and a good one- hopefully you can appreciate a different perspective :-)

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I hope that Tim Don setting the fastest Ironman brand time shows that the records are a bit pointless!
Everyone here was going crazy about how great Sanders was when he broke the record, but now that Don beat his time handily, it isn't worthwhile due to xyz...

As for überbikers, I class them as people who ride off the front at Kona. The people you know will have a lead going into T2. That makes the list pretty short (I am fairly new to triathlon)

Starky
Lieto
Stadler

Who the hell is Monty and why should we care at all about his list?

The problem is, "Uber bikers" really came to prominence when the top guys usually had a slight weakness. The "Uber bikers" like Pigg, Zack and Stadler etc were the bikers trying to beat the runners. Bike hard to take the run out of the runners legs or get a lead and try to hold on. Chris Lieto trying to get a lead on Crowie and hold on. The Uber Bikers needed to ride off the front to play their best hand, or catch up from a poor swim (Kienle, Sanders).

I agree Alistair Brownlee doesn't really stand out as an uber biker because he is the complete triathlete. The Uber bikers can't do their thing because they can't actually ride up to him after a poor swim, or ride off the front from him. If many of the Uber bikers in your list raced Brownlee at any distance they would risk losing their status as Uber biker because they wouldn't be able to use their weapon to any effect against AB.

AB has actually ridden off the front of the ITU lead pack a few times. The first time as a 20yr old at the 2008 Olympics (got reeled in) but more notably a couple years ago when he was injured, he went off the front of the bike to get a cushion for the run. (Edmonton ITU final I think?) He was also gapping off the front of the London 2012 pack towards the end, testing it. I don't know anyone that has ridden off the front of a brownlee bike pack.

So I think Monty is right. AB does not make the Uber biker list. He's actually retired the uber bikers. ;-)

Just to clarify things a bit, Javier had been very sick right before the 2015 Zell am See WC and it was surprise that he raced at all. Lionel did not do this race so it's not a surprise Frodo left him behind;) So you're giving Frodo a bit of extra credit for those performances.


The pro rules,unlike amateur rules, do not allow sling shotting .

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How about a recent 50 mile TT where Ali came in third less than a minute behind Graves? https://www.cyclingtimetrials.org.uk/...-report/14696#anchor

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I did the race. I think it was legit beside maybe the swim

Swim: didn't wear a gps but swim times did seem a few minutes faster than expected. Current or distance I don't know

Bike: my garmin reads 180.0 and it's officially 180.2 I think

Run: garmin reads 41.9 and I turned it on a few 100 meter out of t2

The weather was very good for racing and it's a fast course

Paulo certainly was alluding to something today..

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I think there were a few of them in Edmonton. AB did ride solo for a couple of laps at the end of Stockholm in 2013 if I remember, when he was injured and raced the Grand Final on one leg.

Is there any photo / video evidence of Don getting a moto draft yesterday?

If it's at your local Y, then the bike leg is most likely a total of 12 miles, which would put you just south of 3mph with a 4:06. That might not get you on 'The List'.

If anyone gets to make the approval list on Uberbikers it is Monty. He had a front row seat to a lot of this in the early days and invented stupid transition time saving gadgets like lace locks from camping gear.

But can we get back to Tim Don. How come no one asked for a power file. That should take care of most of this discussion when we see he cranked off this time off barely 3.65 W per Kilo (I am guessing wildly here, but let's get a file).

Also I assume they have had "controle anti-dopage" at this race and he has been subject to a bunch of tests out of competition this year during some of his crazy fast biking at the likes of Compeche and Lizhou. Before anyone jumps all over me, if athletes are posting fast times, it's going to be asked.

Phillip Graves?!?! Your list is a joke. Phillip Graves didn't even have close to the fastest bike time in the only Ironman that he did in Kona '09. You are clouded by watching him start the ride at the front of the pack but seemed to have forgotten that he very quickly got overtaken by - just about everyone in the pro field. (He landed up with the 25th fastest bike split that day) But the fact that you consider including him on your list, just shows what a joke of a list it is. Leaving off Sindballe? What a joke considering you love Lieto and Sindballe had a faster bike split than Lieto in every single Ironman they ever raced together. You include Starky and Sanders who have done nothing in Kona yet and leave off Ain-Alar Juhanson and Maik Twelsiek? Talk about uberbikers.

And yet this whole notion of uberbiker is absurb. The sport is a triathlon. Any one of the very top Ironman athletes can have the fastest bike time should they choose, but it is not a cycling event. Faris al-Sultan could crush the bike and did so with the fastest bike time in 2005 (Peter Reid by the way was only one minute back, the rest of the field, far back) and close to the fastest in just about every Ironman he ever did. Peter Reid also had the fastest bike split in 1998. Crowie had the fastest bike split in 2011; Macca had several fastest bike splits in Kona (and certainly could do it every year had he chosen) at the beginning of his career. Tim Deboom was within seconds of Hellreigel in 2001. Pete Jacobs was only 1 minute slower than Kienle in 2012 (and Dirk Bockel was only a few second slower, yet you are convinced Kienle makes the list). Luke McKenzie was faster than Kienle in 2013 and finished ahead of him in the race). Frodo, Llanos, and and TO all rode within seconds of Kienle in 2015.

If there is an uberbiker in Ironman, his name is Normann Stadler. He by far and away had the biggest time gaps (20-30 minute gaps) to any other bike time. Kienle? Pshh. Lionel Sanders? Bjorn Andersson? Jurgen Zack? Please... But even then, I think Stadler would take offense to being called an uberbiker

In life, I have learned people are often clouded by their own biases and misperceptions of what they want to believe happened to support their theses, versus statistics, data, and reality...

If Don's excuses were so legit and understandable, how come other pros have not had issues with missing testing? It must also be inconvenient for others to be tested? Surely others travel frequently? Yet missing tests is not endemic to triathletes... hmmmm.

Also, I would really like to see Don's powerfile from yesterday.

and there's the part I wasn't aware of: that it happened again in 2008. much appreciated for pointing that out

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Phillip Graves?!?! Your list is a joke//


Go back and read the list, Phillip did not make it, we talked about it earlier. List ok for you now???

Pubes? Kyle Yay? Romulus?

How many accounts do you need?

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I missed him when I looked at your list. Apologies for the spelling. English is my first language.

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