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Where is the outcry over Vinokourov racing Kona
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Crickets....
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Re: Where is the outcry over Vinokourov racing Kona [aerobike] [ In reply to ]
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What's his kit look like....if he doesnt have his big face plastered all over his kit...then i'll be angry.

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Re: Where is the outcry over Vinokourov racing Kona [aerobike] [ In reply to ]
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Happy for him that he feels like he should be there...here's hoping he gets a flat.

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Re: Where is the outcry over Vinokourov racing Kona [aerobike] [ In reply to ]
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aerobike wrote:
Crickets....

So what? He doped in a sport where the unwritten rule was that everyone dopes. Have any evidence he is doping now that he is retired and doing triathlon as a hobby?

Vino 4-Ever!!!
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Re: Where is the outcry over Vinokourov racing Kona [Arch Stanton] [ In reply to ]
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He's racing as an amateur right?

It's not like he started swimming front pro pack and running sub 3s on the end with no triathlon background whatsoever
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Re: Where is the outcry over Vinokourov racing Kona [aerobike] [ In reply to ]
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Re: Where is the outcry over Vinokourov racing Kona [aerobike] [ In reply to ]
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Why? He'll be just another doped up age grouper... dime a dozen in Kona.
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Re: Where is the outcry over Vinokourov racing Kona [aerobike] [ In reply to ]
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If A.Valverde is “allowed” to race and win the UCI pro road worlds in Innsbruck, then what is the problem with Vino racing at Kona???
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Re: Where is the outcry over Vinokourov racing Kona [cgrubb] [ In reply to ]
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cgrubb wrote:
If A.Valverde is “allowed” to race and win the UCI pro road worlds in Innsbruck, then what is the problem with Vino racing at Kona???
Whataboutism much? Who did you see justifying one with the other?
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Re: Where is the outcry over Vinokourov racing Kona [NordicSkier] [ In reply to ]
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NordicSkier wrote:
Why? He'll be just another doped up age grouper... dime a dozen in Kona.

completely agree. There are a few reasons who some of us are sat here commenting and not actually out there racing and doping is some of it.
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Re: Where is the outcry over Vinokourov racing Kona [Arch Stanton] [ In reply to ]
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Arch Stanton wrote:
aerobike wrote:
Crickets....


So what? He doped in a sport where the unwritten rule was that everyone dopes. Have any evidence he is doping now that he is retired and doing triathlon as a hobby?

Vino 4-Ever!!!

Personally I think that Lance should be allowed to race. If Vino is racing then there is absolutely no strength in the lifetime ban for Armstrong.
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Re: Where is the outcry over Vinokourov racing Kona [Arch Stanton] [ In reply to ]
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Arch Stanton wrote:
aerobike wrote:
Crickets....


So what? He doped in a sport where the unwritten rule was that everyone dopes. Have any evidence he is doping now that he is retired and doing triathlon as a hobby?

Vino 4-Ever!!!

Also interesting is that he has been tested in and out of competition
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Re: Where is the outcry over Vinokourov racing Kona [marcag] [ In reply to ]
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marcag wrote:
Arch Stanton wrote:
aerobike wrote:
Crickets....


So what? He doped in a sport where the unwritten rule was that everyone dopes. Have any evidence he is doping now that he is retired and doing triathlon as a hobby?

Vino 4-Ever!!!

Also interesting is that he has been tested in and out of competition

And those tests are impossible to beat, so clearly he must be clean.
/end pink.


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Re: Where is the outcry over Vinokourov racing Kona [aerobike] [ In reply to ]
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aerobike wrote:
Crickets....

Get over it
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Re: Where is the outcry over Vinokourov racing Kona [marcag] [ In reply to ]
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Pffft, there is a huge double standard in the treatment in doping in cycling. For example:

Bjarne Riis is still the official winner of the '96 Tour
Jan Ullrich is still the official winner of the '97 Tour
Marco Pantani is still the official winner of the '98 Tour
Erik Zabel still has all of his wins.
No one has said who actually "won" the Tours Lance "won"
Contador still has most of his results
Valverde was directly involved with Puerto and is the CURRENT WORLD CHAMPION
etc.

Going back a little further, no one seems to ever bring up that the great Merckx was popped not once but twice in the hardly-ever-tested, freewheeling 70s.
Hinault has a stack of skeletons twenty deep in his closet and he's up there every day on the podium.
Indurain is suspicious as hell (https://www.podiumcafe.com/...think-maybe-its-time) but no one has made any effort to even investigate him.
Most major teams are run by ex-dopers or people associated with ex dopers.
etc.

Lance? Stripped of (almost) all results. Landis? Stripped of all results. Say what you like about Lance, but he's right about this: it's a bunch of bullshit.

All of this is indefensible, corrupt and ridiculous. Vino racing Tri is just one more example.
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Re: Where is the outcry over Vinokourov racing Kona [Murphy'sLaw] [ In reply to ]
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Murphy'sLaw wrote:
marcag wrote:
Arch Stanton wrote:
aerobike wrote:
Crickets....


So what? He doped in a sport where the unwritten rule was that everyone dopes. Have any evidence he is doping now that he is retired and doing triathlon as a hobby?

Vino 4-Ever!!!


Also interesting is that he has been tested in and out of competition


And those tests are impossible to beat, so clearly he must be clean.
/end pink.

Completely agree, it means little.

For me the fact that they are testing OOC is the surprising part
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Re: Where is the outcry over Vinokourov racing Kona [hiro11] [ In reply to ]
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hiro11 wrote:
Pffft, there is a huge double standard in the treatment in doping in cycling. For example:

Bjarne Riis is still the official winner of the '96 Tour
Jan Ullrich is still the official winner of the '97 Tour
Marco Pantani is still the official winner of the '98 Tour
Erik Zabel still has all of his wins.
No one has said who actually "won" the Tours Lance "won"
Contador still has most of his results
Valverde was directly involved with Puerto and is the CURRENT WORLD CHAMPION
etc.

Going back a little further, no one seems to ever bring up that the great Merckx was popped not once but twice in the hardly-ever-tested, freewheeling 70s.
Hinault has a stack of skeletons twenty deep in his closet and he's up there every day on the podium.
Indurain is suspicious as hell (https://www.podiumcafe.com/...think-maybe-its-time) but no one has made any effort to even investigate him.
Most major teams are run by ex-dopers or people associated with ex dopers.
etc.

Lance? Stripped of (almost) all results. Landis? Stripped of all results. Say what you like about Lance, but he's right about this: it's a bunch of bullshit.

All of this is indefensible, corrupt and ridiculous. Vino racing Tri is just one more example.

This ^^^^^^^

Also dont even mention LeMond.
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Re: Where is the outcry over Vinokourov racing Kona [jayski] [ In reply to ]
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jayski wrote:
hiro11 wrote:
Pffft, there is a huge double standard in the treatment in doping in cycling. For example:

Bjarne Riis is still the official winner of the '96 Tour
Jan Ullrich is still the official winner of the '97 Tour
Marco Pantani is still the official winner of the '98 Tour
Erik Zabel still has all of his wins.
No one has said who actually "won" the Tours Lance "won"
Contador still has most of his results
Valverde was directly involved with Puerto and is the CURRENT WORLD CHAMPION
etc.

Going back a little further, no one seems to ever bring up that the great Merckx was popped not once but twice in the hardly-ever-tested, freewheeling 70s.
Hinault has a stack of skeletons twenty deep in his closet and he's up there every day on the podium.
Indurain is suspicious as hell (https://www.podiumcafe.com/...think-maybe-its-time) but no one has made any effort to even investigate him.
Most major teams are run by ex-dopers or people associated with ex dopers.
etc.

Lance? Stripped of (almost) all results. Landis? Stripped of all results. Say what you like about Lance, but he's right about this: it's a bunch of bullshit.

All of this is indefensible, corrupt and ridiculous. Vino racing Tri is just one more example.


This ^^^^^^^

Also dont even mention LeMond.

And This ^^^

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Re: Where is the outcry over Vinokourov racing Kona [jayski] [ In reply to ]
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jayski wrote:
hiro11 wrote:
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Lance? Stripped of (almost) all results. Landis? Stripped of all results. Say what you like about Lance, but he's right about this: it's a bunch of bullshit.

All of this is indefensible, corrupt and ridiculous. Vino racing Tri is just one more example.


This ^^^^^^^

Also dont even mention LeMond.

What's wrong with LeMond? He was the cleanest cyclist ever. He said so. Highest VO2max of any living creature on Earth. He said so. I think his diet was organic veggies and H2O. I'm pretty sure he was the most gifted natural born cyclist of all time. After all, he said so.

You can't go back and take away titles. They were won. What are you going to do, scrub over 50% of the TdF record book? Seriously, it was the times, no one has to like it, but the races were contested and there was a podium. Because Lance and Landis were big meanies and liars only they have to be stripped? They don't dare touch the Euros.

Ragarding Vino.. ehh.. who cares? If he's clean according to protocol then he should get to race like every other contestant that is clean according to protocol. At some point you have to forgive the past and give another chance. You can't take away someone's life for errors they made trying to keep their job in a ruthless environment. It's riding a bicycle for God's sake. Plus, come on, is there anyone else who can make this event all about themselves with the same panache and foreign language innocence as Vino, and not come across as a smug, arrogant, English-speaking, self-promotion machine?
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Re: Where is the outcry over Vinokourov racing Kona [ripple] [ In reply to ]
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I simply dont understand, and have never understood the faux outrage about cycling

I watched every lance tour and every tour since maybe 82-84 onwards

These guys - going back a century - have always been monsters fueled by more than just bread and water

Lance was an absolute bastard towards those that threatened him by all accounts but the sanctimonious actions of the UCI, commentators and others in eliminating him and then white washing the other results is just bullshit

I think I saw a star that there is a two decade run of tdf winners who at one time or another

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/...t_the_Tour_de_France

It is horseshit that Lance was singled out during that period

They just happened to be far more disciplined about it

Now, was have people pushing the boundaries to the same extent with with TUE's and jiffy bags and big lawyers

Remaining fit and healthy for the entire season in one of the most demanding sports on earth requires some flexibility on the moral compass and that does not seem to have changed much in the sky era
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Re: Where is the outcry over Vinokourov racing Kona [jayski] [ In reply to ]
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jayski wrote:
hiro11 wrote:
Pffft, there is a huge double standard in the treatment in doping in cycling. For example:

Bjarne Riis is still the official winner of the '96 Tour
Jan Ullrich is still the official winner of the '97 Tour
Marco Pantani is still the official winner of the '98 Tour
Erik Zabel still has all of his wins.
No one has said who actually "won" the Tours Lance "won"
Contador still has most of his results
Valverde was directly involved with Puerto and is the CURRENT WORLD CHAMPION
etc.

Going back a little further, no one seems to ever bring up that the great Merckx was popped not once but twice in the hardly-ever-tested, freewheeling 70s.
Hinault has a stack of skeletons twenty deep in his closet and he's up there every day on the podium.
Indurain is suspicious as hell (https://www.podiumcafe.com/...think-maybe-its-time) but no one has made any effort to even investigate him.
Most major teams are run by ex-dopers or people associated with ex dopers.
etc.

Lance? Stripped of (almost) all results. Landis? Stripped of all results. Say what you like about Lance, but he's right about this: it's a bunch of bullshit.

All of this is indefensible, corrupt and ridiculous. Vino racing Tri is just one more example.

This ^^^^^^^

Also dont even mention LeMond.

And you even forget Froome.
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Re: Where is the outcry over Vinokourov racing Kona [turningscrews] [ In reply to ]
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Jalabert is also doing tri's for several years now.

For all the haters, hopefully they feel the same way about football, soccer, baseball, hockey, golf, etc etc etc.
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Re: Where is the outcry over Vinokourov racing Kona [SBRcanuck] [ In reply to ]
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SBRcanuck wrote:
Jalabert is also doing tri's for several years now.

For all the haters, hopefully they feel the same way about football, soccer, baseball, hockey, golf, etc etc etc.



No, those aren't my sports. I don't have to go around and clean all my neighbor's houses before I can start cleaning my own. Also it's OK for me to hold my house to a higher standard.
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Re: Where is the outcry over Vinokourov racing Kona [SBRcanuck] [ In reply to ]
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For all the haters, hopefully they feel the same way about football, soccer, baseball, hockey, golf, etc etc etc.
Excellent point. And athletics. And tennis. And rugby. And marathon. The runners in Eldoret are hardly subject to the same level of doping control as those in France. More double standards.

Cycling gets all the stick for (half-assedly) trying to do something about doping. Meanwhile football players routinely pack on 30 lbs of pure muscle upon making it to the NFL and no one even notices.
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Re: Where is the outcry over Vinokourov racing Kona [hiro11] [ In reply to ]
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hiro11 wrote:
SBRcanuck wrote:

For all the haters, hopefully they feel the same way about football, soccer, baseball, hockey, golf, etc etc etc.
Excellent point. And athletics. And tennis. And rugby. And marathon. The runners in Eldoret are hardly subject to the same level of doping control as those in France. More double standards.

Cycling gets all the stick for (half-assedly) trying to do something about doping. Meanwhile football players routinely pack on 30 lbs of pure muscle upon making it to the NFL and no one even notices.

Yep. Alex Rodriguez is on TV. Hell so is Ray Lewis and he killed a guy. The lifetime ban for Lance is ridiculous.

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