Lance cheated no one. Not his sponsors. Not the public.


Lance cheated SCA Promotions since they paid him for winning but he cheated to win.


He cheated the public because he convinced many that his recovery from cancer and TDF wins was due to hard work and his own abilities.

I do think there it is interesting how some athletes that were caught doping are vilified more than others. Some become persona non grata within cycling or sport that major teams will not touch , others are pretty much forgiven such Valverde, and some it almost makes their legend greater e.g. Pantani by showing their human side.

2019 45-49 age group winner with an 8:48

and 13th fastest bike split of the day including pro triathletes.

and 13th fastest bike split of the day including pro triathletes.

Because, right or wrong, not every offense is a lifetime ban from all sport.

Id actually love to see an interview with him, just like a normal AG. What are you training? What's the rest of life like? What's your bike setup? Gotta imagine the answers are different then when he was a tour pro

Sure cycling holds itself to a higher standard than some other sports. Travis Tygart, like his methods or not, is a sincerely anti-doping crusader. He, at some point, made the decision that if he couldn't get Lance, arguably the highest-profile blatant dopers of those under the umbrella of USADA, that USADA might as well pack up and go home. So he spent a lot of resources and got him.

He offered Lance the same deal that Vande Velde got. Lance turned down that deal. That was his decision.

I'll point out here, nowhere in this thread have I stated that Vino et al, should be turned away. I'm just surprised at all the vitriol directed at those who try to make the sport cleaner.

That's just called the plain old "Olympics". The all drug part is implied and implicit.

He won 7 tours because he was doping better than everyone else.


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Funny how all the Lance apologists have come back in full force after being strangely quiet for a few years but at least the repeated cries of "but he didn't test positive" or "they're just jealous" have disappeared...for now.

His ego is larger than Big Tex's.

He came past me near the end of the bike around the airport I believe. Felt like I was standing still in comparison (4:44:xx). He had two guys with him, both drafting heavily. No idea if they were sharing the work.

Just absurd, don't understand why he is allowed to race.

Pffft, there is a huge double standard in the treatment in doping in cycling. For example:

Bjarne Riis is still the official winner of the '96 Tour
Jan Ullrich is still the official winner of the '97 Tour
Marco Pantani is still the official winner of the '98 Tour
Erik Zabel still has all of his wins.
No one has said who actually "won" the Tours Lance "won"
Contador still has most of his results
Valverde was directly involved with Puerto and is the CURRENT WORLD CHAMPION
etc.

Going back a little further, no one seems to ever bring up that the great Merckx was popped not once but twice in the hardly-ever-tested, freewheeling 70s.
Hinault has a stack of skeletons twenty deep in his closet and he's up there every day on the podium.
Indurain is suspicious as hell (https://www.podiumcafe.com/...think-maybe-its-time) but no one has made any effort to even investigate him.
Most major teams are run by ex-dopers or people associated with ex dopers.
etc.

Lance? Stripped of (almost) all results. Landis? Stripped of all results. Say what you like about Lance, but he's right about this: it's a bunch of bullshit.

All of this is indefensible, corrupt and ridiculous. Vino racing Tri is just one more example.

Crickets....