What type of fantasy land do you live in? This will do absolutely nothing to deter amateur "doping." She was sanctioned for not filling out paperwork to get a TUE to use a worthless supplement, a supplement that is sold OTC in every Walmart and is used by hundreds of thousands of people every day. This will have no effect on people who are intentionally doping with stuff that actually works. The only thing this shows is USADA wasting resources so it can claim it is making a difference (by busting menopausal recreational runners).

Drinking a Coke during a race has more of an ergogenic effect than a lifetime of DHEA use.

USADA is not wasting resources. The race pays for the testing.

doctors/pseudo docs sometimes prescribe holistic medicines or practices. I definitely think this DHEA stuff is placebo as in that recent EPO study that gave 1% improvement performance on placebo. Perhaps that guy who mentioned hair growth improving also cleaned up his diet and started exercising....(?)

Take a step back and look beyond your perceived injustice of the substance she was busted for. The deterrent is the fact that usada is now testing front of pack age groupers.

It's been said that pros failing an in-competition test is akin to failing an IQ test, because you have to be stupid to be caught there. The thing is, age group dopers don't even need to pass the IQ test, because they're virtually never tested.

Increased testing at these types of events will make some of them stop doing it. Why do you think that is a bad thing?

Also, for the record, this race has 1st-4th prizes of $2,000; $1,000; $600; and $200. 5th-10th get free entry into next year's race ($130 value). Kristi Anderson finished 7th, and cheated 11th place out of a $130 prize.

Would you feel differently if she'd won the $2,000? Especially if your wife had finished 2nd?

Funny that the winner won by 17 minutes and was also in that 50-54 AG. I hope she was tested too.

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I've attempted to respond to this thread three times, but deleted my comments because I couldn't say it any better than you have in your previous posts. I'm not sure what or why Arch is defending the guilty party or challenging the process, but I find his arguments weak and diversionary.

My only additional comment here is that while I find professional level doping disappointing, I find age group doping pathetic. Oh, and I'm not buying her story.

Edit for the insertion of a missing word "challenging".

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As been stated on this forum many times, getting a TUE is not as simple as filling out paperwork. It is highly unlikely that she would have been granted a TUE (at least based on the limited information we know about this case), so you can hardly blame it on paperwork.

I am all for testing age groupers, hell, I wish that every person in the race could be tested.

Jim,

If they did that there would be a lot of positives - way more than you think.

My sense is that if you took all the 2000 who raced at IMH in October and tested the whole field on a surprise test - the number of positives would be surprising in not a good way.

There would be a big group of willfully ignorant folks like this woman, "What's a TUE?" There would be another large group who would be just ignorant and positive test inadvertently from tainted supplements or something along those lines, and then a smaller group who knowingly where taking PED's

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If you are referring to the post by "Monty" he said it made his grey hair go back to brown, not improve growth.

I don't believe he recently started exercising though since he was a big time pro triathlete back in the 80s. Was that before you were born maybe?

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Nick Backstrom (hockey) was popped for Sudafed during the Sochi Olympics this year.

Agreed, especially on the parts in bold...if she wants to juice up for health reasons, go for it Kristi, but please don't toe the start line at races where other athletes are sacrificing the upside health that they can get by getting their doc to prescribe a PED that is fine for jacking up health but banned from sport. Those athletes choose to not take the best medication available from health care professionals and live with "lesser health" for the privilege of competing in sport. You want to go on the juice and be "healthy"....then no sport for you...at least no competition. The rest of us are suffering it out on bread and water while you're on your DHEA....

....or maybe she is flat outright lying. Certainly at her level she undertands that if here body is out of whack and she needs some hormone replacement, that's pretty well putting her in the PED taking camp. The fact that she even mentions "going on Oprah" suggests that she understand this...remember Lance saying to Oprah, "No I can't even do a fun run"....guess what Kirsti....if you are popped you can't even do a fun run like Pike's Peak.

Good find. Oddly the only sanction seems to have been suspension from the gold medal game....

Not in all sports it's not. :)

The ergogenic properties of any substance or method is irrelevant. What matters is whether it's prohibited.

Being an ergogenic substance or method is neither a necessary nor sufficient reason for a substance to be prohibited.

It's really simple. If you choose to use a prohibited substance, then don't take out a licence and race.

Did you read the article that you linked? In it the author basically says that hockey players, including Backstrom apparently, regularly use pseudo ephedrine as a PED. In other words, they're not taking a couple of Sudafed because they have a cold. They're doing exactly what the ban on ephedrine was designed to prevent.

Canadian rower Silken Laumann got caught at the Pan Am games in 1995. She took over the counter Benadryl Decongestant Allergy (although a different Benadryl than what her doctor recommended)

http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/laumann-fails-drug-test/

Drinking a Coke during a race has more of an ergogenic effect than a lifetime of DHEA use.

Boom!

Best line on the thread!

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I'm thinking that if she was a black sprinter vying for an Atlanta Olympics spot, he/she would have gotten "less of a pass" from the Canadian public than golden girl Silken. To this day, I believe she should have gotten a solid 2 year ban, for one of the two:

1. Being stupid enough to take a banned cold medication
2. Using one to get a boost and then coming out and lying to the public.

The former alone warrants a ban from the profession. Anyone who is going for Olympic gold should know better. She should have gotten a proper ban. No way a black track athlete who looks "less Canadian" gets off the hook so easily as Silken. And then her going on TV and showing the two boxes showing "this one is OK, this one is not OK blah blah blah" was a bit of crocodile tears just like the athlete who is the topic of this thread.


I remember racing at the World Military Games also in 1995. The team doctor said, "OK, no medication, no nothing, no vitamins, no supplements. You feel sick, you come and see me and if you need something it is coming out of this box and this box only. We can't have any of our soldiers test positive"....and that was just fun games for us. Our job was being soldiers, not athletes. Silken's job was to be an athlete and she claimed to not even know the basic rules of engagement. My sympathy for her excuses was pretty well zero then and now.

Exactly. DHEA has not been proven to offer any benefit to endurance athletes. How does this decision make WADA look better? How does it help in the battle against the really serious offenders who use T, EPO, and other drugs? This is in the same ballpark as catching Phelps smoking weed....

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Yep. WADA trying to earn its keep, and not showing much.

-Robert

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"How wonderful it is that nobody need wait a single moment before starting to improve the world." ~Anne Frank

It hasn't been proven to improve women's health. It hasn't been proven to help athletic performance. But people (men and women) still take it.

DHEA is banned by the NFL, NBA, and NCAA. That's the rule.

If you don't like a rule, change the rule. But until the rule is changed, you're cheating if you use DHEA.

(And what did WADA have to do with catching Phelps smoking weed?)

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FWIW - Pseudo-ephedrine was used being used as a masking agent for certain steroids at the time! That's my understanding of why it was and still is on the WADA banned substances list.

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The goal is not to fight doping. It is to look like doping is being fought. It is theater, like putting Homeland Security on the northern border while hundreds of thousands run across the sourthern one. The goal is not to catch dopers because that is hard. Anyone intentionally doping, using stuff that works, and being the least bit careful will not test positive in competition. That leads to a problem of how to convince the rubes that something is being done. The problem is solved by loading up the restricted list with a huge variety of substances that exist in OTC products but have limited to nil effect of performance. That produces a steady stream of inadvertent doping cases and press releases to go with them. Testing amateurs, who cannot be expected to even attempt to follow the niggling details that still cause professionals to be caught out, will produce even more cases. Meanwhile the intentional dopers laugh about the kabuki theater being put on by the ADAs.