1) the mechanically doping shoes are giving similar time improvements of those people who run downhill races. That is why I brought it up.

2) saucony a5


Look. we know LS can get similar shoes to what he ran during his XC PR days. so the true test of improvement, would be for him to try again with similar shoes to what he used ... likely race flats which are still made to this day. But I guess that wont sell --> improving with just training better. need some gimmick.

1) that downhill mile difference is a 9% time improvement. not similar to the 4-5% of the carbon shoes. Next.

2) nice modern shoe you got there. seems a bit different than shoes of the 20th century to me

this past fall he ran faster over 5k than he ever has prior under legal conditions. thats it. thats his PR.

Vincent Luis is sponsored by Nike France. Not Nike International or Nike US. The Nike US or International is the only contract from Nike worth a shit.

For that, and with all due respect to the sport we all love. Nike does not give a shit about triathlon.

I hope the Ironman World Champion didn't put that Nike symbol on her jersey for free.

Also, Sketchers needs to give up on the running game. No one will ever take them seriously after the "shape ups" scandal. Lionel just proved Sketchers suck with his latest video.

Same deal for Anne and the Canadian triathletes. They are sponsored by the Nike Europe or whatever. Nike US (the one that really matters) doesn’t give a shit about triathlon. Ask Bignell or anyone that works in their marketing department. They don’t give a shit about triathlon.

Nike sponsors Vincent luis and Anne Haug

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Lionel is Canadian. Would that fall under Nike U.S.?

I am sure Nike U.S. doesn't care much about triathlon. Nike is one of the richest corporations in America who sponsor top athletes like LeBron James and dozens of other professional athletes with million dollar contracts. A triathlete is a drop in a bucket to them. But a 50k-100k contract to a triathlete is the jackpot. If Nike does it's research, which they love to do, they would find triathletes at the top of the list of affluent athletes willing to spend $250 for a shoe that only functions for 100 miles. Which is a rip off too me......unless someone like Lionel tells me otherwise...... wink wink to Nike. I would bet my Gamestop stock that more people would buy Nikes because of Lionel than because of Gwen.

Tell Mario Mola, apparently he's not aware of this.

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Totally agree!
It’s also an Olympic year twice. Olympic years are always bad years to look for a new contract with one of the majors. Molly Siedel was on a starter contract with Saucony and she was fortunate to land a large contract with Puma (new money to running) but as you know that’s rare.

Lionel is right up there with Triathlon Taren in terms of YouTub subscribers and therefore revenue. That has to change the metrics and give him some piece of mind. You can also see the switch in his videos. He’s bought into the data which clearly shows him, tell us everything flat out, worts and all. His latest rant about swimming has to garner love from most triathletes. Most hate swimming right? Given the response here on the Alpha Fly maybe an added avenue for him is to talk running shoes from his perspective. There are revenue streams from retailers in running shoes if the demand shows it. He’s got to have a love-hate relationship with running shoes too. I think that sells right now and it’s pure.

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Who's Gwen?

This post is true. Nike USA is the only real one you want to be sponsored by. These other athletes are making very very little money being with Nike Europe etc.. But sometimes that does not matter just having the swoosh on your chest is so powerful in not only the product but also getting other sponsors. With that being said Nike does not give two flips about triathlon. Even having big connections at Nike like noted above (Gwen's Husband who manages Lionel.) Will be interesting to see how this shoe thing unfolds. I will say one thing about brands and Lionel. He is the most Loyal athlete I have seen i this history of this sport and I have worked with a few.

Cam Wurf is definitely sponsored by Nike. He's even in the training team with Kipchoge I think.

Nike is organized under five regions currently: North America, EMEA, Greater China, Asia Pacifc & Latin America, and Global Division.

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he is not sponsored. he has friends in high places.

saucony a5 is a real minimal shoe, not modern at all , race flat.

anyways. i guess my curiosity will never be answered. is lionel a better runner from his XC days? i would like to see talbot get him to put in attempt again on track using race flats.

This post is true. Nike USA is the only real one you want to be sponsored by. These other athletes are making very very little money being with Nike Europe etc.. But sometimes that does not matter just having the swoosh on your chest is so powerful in not only the product but also getting other sponsors. With that being said Nike does not give two flips about triathlon


100%

These Nike "deals" that people see via a logo, are most likely regional/local Nike partnerships with the regional offices and representatives in that area or country. They may not amount to much. Product, some small $$, typically performance or media exposure bonus specific

Nike has not really cared Corporately about Triathlon for a long time.

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What's the actual benefit of getting back in flats for Lionel. Risking injury and such. The benefits of the carbon shoe seem to go beyond performance - injury prevention and such. You are literally the only person on this board that has this curiosity and attempts to ruin every running post with this stuff.

I'd love to know what your 1:12 buddy from the Real Triathlon #3 ran his 1:12 in...

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He’s bought into the data which clearly shows him, tell us everything flat out, worts and all.


That's nothing new, really. He's always been about that - All info, all the time.

He was like this years ago when I would do interviews with him after races or at other events. When I would ask him a question, he would never hold back! That IS the attraction!

My sense is that now this is being brought more to the fore, with the always excellent videography work of Talbot Cox. This is Lionel's EDGE. The genuineness!

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Gotta give credit where credit is due - I do think a large amount of LS's popularity stems directly from your (talbot's) great camera work and videography. It really draws you in and is presented in storylike form that's very accessible to both new and old fans.

Great work, for not only LS but all the athletes you work with!

Stefan Daniel is a Canadian triathlete and sponsored by Nike. I tried to put you two together a year ago as his story is amazing. Never heard back from you. You should check him out. I am quite sure there would be mutual synergies. He has a very bright long term future in the sport.

I just want to make clear what a PR is. I don't remember my buddies shoes that day, I think it was the nike fly shoes without plate but still had the special foam. Although now he is using the carbon ones. I think it's degrading his performance as it's a crutch. Recently we did interval workout on trails where the shoes don't work, and he wore something else. I was able to keep up with him for first few.

See, this is where you lose your argument - a PR is a person's best time for a distance. And your details are sketchy - the Nike Zoom fly have a plate but not the foam - the foam being the part that makes the most difference it seems. I'm sure your friend appreciates your disqualifying all of his hard work as irrelevant. And they aren't making so much difference that all of a sudden you can keep up on intervals. Come on...

Mostly, just let it die. Carbon shoes are here to stay - and we are ALL aware of your feelings on them.

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This sounds like math teachers telling students they can't use calculators because they won't always have a calculator in real life. It's not a crutch if it'll always be available and is available to everyone.

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