I don't really have a good answer for you. I feel exactly the same way. I've been a premium member since 1998 or so, when it used to be called Trainingbible.com. I even had lunch with Gear Fischer a couple of times WAAAY back in those days about the original site, and some ideas I'd floated on their forum (back when they had one). A couple of years ago, when TP first started to stagnate I sent in a comment to the help/support site to complain about the stagnation. I had a rational exchange with the support person (not just a cookie cutter), but she acknowledged that the company priorities were elsewhere (brand building, portfolio expanding, etc). I had the same exact exchange again last year....with the same person. Sigh.

I've looked at all the options I could find. I haven't found anything equivalent.

Currently using intervals.icu for Fatigue, Fitness, and From and a bit of analysis. Doesn't really do the planning as well

I dabbled in Final Surge but a good amount of it is still in BETA. It's clean and the phone app works well but I don't think it will ever dig down as deep as TP. They are responsive, I've had a few exchanges with them and their plans for the future sounds great, we'll see how it all gets implemented.

I totally agree with you, but I can’t find a better alternative than Training Peaks right now. It’s the easiest interface to see your workouts and move them around. But they haven’t made any real improvements in the last few years.

They really need to improve the interface for swimming. I end up looking at my swim workouts in Garmin Connect.

I haven’t dabbled with Strava at all. I understand that Trainer Road now has a complete workout calendar, but I imagine that’s cycling focused, even though I think you can set up and track swim and run workouts.

Trainerroad works well for planning, but not for analysis. It does not accept running or swimming workouts from Garmin (or anywhere else to my knowledge) It just lets you check a box that you completed to workout. So I found myself planning in TR, and then looking at analysis in Garmin Connect. I did not like this
I have been looking into todaysplan. Have not pulled the trigger on the free trial yet though.

My run and swim workouts automatically load to Training Peaks through Garmin. I'm not sure whether Garmin sends them to TP or whether TP grabs them from Garmin, but either way it works. You may want to check your settings.

Training peak or trainerroad? I know it works in TP, but I was saying it does not work in TR other than cycling

I find this Chrome extension to be a pretty handy alternative

https://thomaschampagne.github.io/elevate/#/landing

Looks like SportsTrack is still around. It had a lot of features (especially with swimming) that I actually liked better than Training Peaks. I can't remember why I stopped using it though.

http://sporttracks.mobi/dashboard

Yep, Training Peaks has stagnated and there is no indication it is going to improve any time soon.

Their run workouts sync to garmin sucks – can't change data screens, it always show average for lap making it impossible to use for long intervals on the run for example. You can't really plan swim workout and push it to garmin from TP, you have to recreate it in Garmin Connect anyhow.

TrainerRoad has better collection of workouts for the bike and it's sync to garmin/wahoo works perfectly so you can execute all the workouts outdoors – but it does not support run/swim.

TrainingPeaks look and feel is so outdated and bad, it does not help that I'm UX/UI designer and my eyes bleed everytime I have to look on this interface.

Fatique/Fitness/Form chart is probably the only reason why I keep paying $100/year for it, but probably it is time to download your data and migrate somewhere else.

Today's Plan has changed a lot over the past 2 years. When did you last look at it? I work for them, so I am happy to answer questions, define what we offer vs what you're looking for.

In 2018 the platform moved from only cycling, to multisport, and continues to grow. We add new features all the time, including last week we launched the Friends dashboard access. This allows you to share your workout data with your friends, comment on each other's workouts, and more, with you selecting specifically who those individuals are that can have access to it.

You'll continue to see many more features coming over the next few months, (many of which I can't share publicly here yet), as our architecture is very different from TrainingPeaks, allowing us to be much more nimble and flexible, able to update quickly and effectively. We were acquired in September by the heads of Specialized, so there's been a big influx of investment into the company, to help us continue to update and innovate expeditiously.

If you have feature requests, I am also keen to hear those. What is most important for you in a platform?

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I just did the free 7 day trial just to look around todays plan... WOW that is a lot of data. I am excited to see how the zwift integration works, as that seems to be where I am riding the most these days.

I worked at TrainingPeaks about 10 years ago and left for this reason. Even then if felt like the software was stagnating and that they weren't going to develop their weaknesses, specifically in swim and weight training. I actually emailed them a few years ago hoping I could gain access to their API to develop my own weight training app that sync'd with TP, but was told that they don't open it up to outside developers (at least not those that don't have commercial ties to TP). I think they would do well to become a training platform that other developers could interact with, along with removing WKO as a product and moving it, in its entirety, to TrainingPeaks. There's so much cheap computing power in the cloud these days that I can't imagine they couldn't offer a platform that did it all with a reasonable price tag.

I don't understand this comment. The structured interval data screen limitation is a Garmin one, from what I understand by reading Garmin forums. That said, I simply change to whatever other screen I've configured. I use structured run workouts every day for everything from strides to 400s/800s 2mile repeats, and 45min tempo intervals.



Again, this is a Garmin limitation. The have never published the structure swim workout FIT file format. No one other than Garmin creates structured swim FIT files.



To where, exactly? Your own post lists all the ones that don't provide equivalent functions. So, as noted, even though TP sucks, its still the best of the worst.

If TP makes your eyes bleed as a UI/UX person, try Today's plan (sorry, Jim...didn't like it)...or anything else. As near as I can tell...no one is employing a UI/UX designer, or even getting 10 hours of consulting.

Whoops you’re right. I was thinking TP.

Hi Coach Vance,

Thanks for the reply. Honestly I have looked at Today’s Plan in about a year. Firstly, I would like something equivalent to the TP Fitness, Fatigue and Form scores. I would also like support for Run Power and something like the Training Peaks Workout Builder so I can send workouts to Stryd or to Garmin automatically. That woudl be a great start because TP is so stale and they haven’t done anything in years to the interface, but its seemingly the only game in town.I am eager to hear if this is currently available or in the pipeline (of what you can share of course.

Thanks.

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Have a look at intervals.icu. Really all about the analysis and not the planning, imports automatically only from Strava. But terrific analysis with some unique tools. Not connected except as an active user.

Hello, happy to help.

- Today's Plan has changed a lot in a year, and will continue to change. You get a free 7 day trial when you register, (no CC needed), so you should go start one.
- It has CTL, ATL and TSB, all located on the calendar by the day if you want to see it there. If you want to see it for the whole season, you can see it on the calendar with the annual planner charts, and even isolate by sport. It's great to have it available right there on the calendar, so you can see big picture/long-term, at the same time you see the calendar.
- Today's Plan also syncs directly/automatically with Garmin, just need to connect it in your settings, for workouts to automatically upload to the unit.
- Today's Plan is the best platform overall for run power analysis, (IMO), and can directly sync from Garmin post-workout for that data, and/or Stryd.

So in short, Today's Plan can do everything you want, and more. Our YouTube page is a great resource as well: https://www.youtube.com/...ugFFP0eNp54SwUS1yWkg

Let me know if I can help further.

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Twitter @jimvance

Nobody seem to have mentioned Golden Cheetah, I've never used it and dont know anything about it but it usually comes up. Anyone that knows more?

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Its not a drop in replacement for TrainingPeaks, more WKO.
It works well syncing with Today'sPlan, Xert and a host of other services that are alternatives to TrainingPeaks.

Mark

One thing more coach...and I am not sure if you can answer this one. Why is that there isn't any Today's Plan servers on the EU? That seems odd.

By the way, wishing both you and Ben Kanye continued success!

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I have used SportTracks for years (back when it was a PC app) but signed up for Training Peaks last November. I decided to try and get more serious with my training and try to plan more and everyone else seemed to be on Training Peaks and many plans were tied in to TP. But I agree the interface isn't great and some things just seem overly complicated.
I'm now looking at 4 apps to analyze my performance/training and each one has something another doesn't have or presents the data in a more readable way. I don't have a coach or use a purchased plan as I like to be more flexible with my exercise. I'm a middle to back of pack retired 63 year old that does 2-3 70.3's a year. I'm interested in sports science and still think I can get faster, but I'm not obsessed with it. I think I will end up giving up on Training Peaks and concentrate on SportTracks for planning and some reporting and use Garmin and Strava for more specific reporting.

Training Peaks is more customisable for setting zones and they are fine tunable and the reporting of peak performances is nice. But it's just so overwhelming the levels of detail it's trying to present, you can't see the wood for the trees.

SportTracks is more adaptable to smaller screen sizes, it's easy to create workouts from existing activities, but the reports are a bit more limited in some areas. Swim data is handled well. The biggest problem is that there isn't much in the way of help, you need to trawl through blog posts to find out how stuff works. But I think I prefer it to Training Peaks now I have spent time to try and understand it more. I like that it's not a phone app, just works in any browser, any device, one interface across all platforms.

Garmin Connect is a mess, the navigation and presentation is jumbled and inconsistent. Swim data is handled well. Power data from my Assioma pedals is really good. But it's Training Status and Training Effect report is useless because it doesn't merge data from different devices. I use a Garmin Edge 530 on my bike and a Forerunner 935 watch for running, swimming and activity monitor. So my Edge training load doesn't take into account what I've done running with my watch, so both often end up reporting I'm not doing enough. But in other areas the integration with multiple devices like scales and constant heart rate and sleep monitoring and other health type reports makes life easy. It's a brilliant data collector and it can pass that data on to other services, like SportTracks and Strava.

Strava is best at comparing performance over segments or whole rides and the social bit of competition with friends. It's easy to look at year or month to date targets/challenges. But it doesn't have the planned workouts that would predicted fitness, fatigue and form. Analyzing the data in the VeloViewer web app is interesting. Planning a ride route works well and combine with the web app Headwind for help in choosing which direction for a loop ride. So not really a training aid, more of a data analysis tool.

Sure, happy to answer. Today's Plan have a number of servers in the EU. We are the official platform for Team Ineos, Bora Hansgrohe, (and other Pro Tour teams), the German Triathlon Federation, (DTU), and large coaching organizations like STAPS in Germany, as well as a large number of other customers based there. So we have a number of servers in the EU, as it is an important region we serve.

Thank you, Kanute can't wait to get back to racing. Let me know if I can help further.

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http://www.CoachVance.com/
Twitter @jimvance

Today's Plan offers a direct sync with Golden Cheetah, for users who want that option.

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http://www.CoachVance.com/
Twitter @jimvance

I use it.

I used to use TP for years, but switched to Golden Cheetah as I felt TP wasn't offering good value.

Golden Cheetah gives you all the same charts (and more). The only issue is when you first use it it takes a bit of getting used to and the interface is not as good as TP (which itself is pretty poor).

However, as far as information goes, it does at least as much as TP.

I'm not sure why it doesn't get more attention.

Love the subtle correction!

Maybe I'll give the 7-day trial a shot to check it out. Personally, I haven't had a coach in about four years now and use a basic calendar template to plan out workouts. I haven't even been doing that over the past few months with no races in sight. Just getting in lots of volume with a variety of fun workouts.

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The learning curve I guess...

I actually mix both TP and Golden Cheetah, I use TP basically to get the homework from my coach, and then I store everything in GC, which IMO is much better for analysis... but it will take lots of customization if you want to go beyond the basics... Also, they cannot use the TP names (IF, NP, TSS, CTL...) so they came up with alternative names for pretty much the same concepts, which can make things more confusing to some.

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i tried the todaysplan and the creation of workouts seems to be much more time consuming that in TP - i havent yet figured out how to creat workouts with exact power target not the range to be able to do in erg mode

Any way to send workouts to the stryd app on my apple watch? Basically the only thing that keeps me on training peaks.....

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That should work. To have the data shared between devices there's an option in each devices settings on Garmin Connect called Physio True-up that you have to select on. I have a fenix 5 and an edge 520 plus and my workouts are shared between the two devices.

I actually record my zwift rides on my edge 520 plus just so the training loads etc are shared to my watch for a more accurate training status and load calculation.

I have been fiddling with the paid version of training peaks for a month. One thing I noticed is that if I do more mtb riding without power or more running, it decides that I'm very fresh, when in truth I've done some uptempo work in the woods. Not clear if it's worth the money

That's the problem, it should work but doesn't. I have Physio True-up turned on for both devices. I also use my 530 for Zwift rides.
When I go to the reports for cycling and running I get a drop down menu to choose between my 530 and 935, one reports my current status is "Maintaining" (Your current training load is sufficient to maintain your fitness level. To see improvement, try adding more variety to your workouts) and the other is "Productive" (Keep up the good work! Your training load is moving your fitness in the right direction. Be sure to plan recovery periods into your training to maintain your fitness level).
The 7 day training load is also different for each device, but the Exercise load is the same for both.
There are numerous threads on the Garmin support forum complaining about this problem.

+1 on that Coach Vance can Agus he needs it for his book on running power...His fans want it so make it happen!😁

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That sounds like a threshold configuration issue. Ie, your MTB and running thresholds are set too high so that it thinks that your training load is lower than it really is.

That said....combining training loads from different sports is a bit of an "art". In other words, its not really valid...but, can be fudged by artificially manipulating the thresholds or by simply knowing that running has XX impact, MTB has YY impact, etc.

I don't MTB, but without power...I can see how that would be a hard activity to calculate a valid TSS score for by HR alone. HR response is so slow that it might underestimate lots of shorter harder efforts.

Running should just be a matter of setting a good pace threshold...maybe a little slower than 10km pace which will skew the TSS / hr a little higher.

I mostly run in the grass so I should probably just make up some kind of a threshold value

Yeah. I find grass running a bit more taxing that either trails or hard surfaces. So, if it were me, I'd probably set a pretty low threshold.

If you have some idea about "how much TSS" a specific run should be...then you can adjust your threshold setting in TP, and then recalc just that single run. Then you can iterate tweaking the threshold until you get a TSS that you think is right for that one run. Once you get it right, you can recalc everything else (in bulk) to back calculate your runs and overall ATL/CTL/TSB numbers.

Wow that is a great trick thank you so much. I think I just need to adjust the heart rate values too I'm sort of a diesel tugboat and can produce decent power at a pretty low heart rate.

How did you like today’s plan v TrainerRoad? Are the plans any better? Customizable or ability to make more personal or predictive? Thanks.

SO far I think I would have to give the nod to todaysplan. I do have Zwift, so I have been pushing the workouts there and completing them using ERG. If you did not want to do that, I think pushing the workout to a garmin and then using ANT FC might be a step too far for me.
You can schedule vacations and breaks, you can say "I can only ride 60 minutes on Tuesdays" and I think almost every workout has a video explaining it, which is nice for me esp when it comes to swimming.
I do think TR UI might be a little easier to understand, but it is also giving you less information, so I guess that is understandable.
Right now we have an 8 week old, so I am not anywhere near being able to stick with a training plan, but in a few weeks I think I will be a full time user.

Thanks very much for the mention (I am the Intervals.icu developer). It now has a good bit of planning including a workout library and a structured workout builder (for Zwift and others). It will also import your training plan from Training Peaks, Todays Plan, Trainer road and others with calendar export.

It does a bunch of other stuff (FTP estimation without tests, interval detection without laps, automatic power/HR spike detection and fix, nice power/HR plots of various kinds etc etc). I have to get a "marketing" site up soon!

If you have your history on Strava you will be up and running with Intervals.icu very quickly.

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Stupid auto-correct didn't know Kanute .......SMH......

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I assume you're referring to this? https://support.stryd.com/...h-from-TrainingPeaks

I spoke with Angus at Stryd, and he said, "This is on our development plan. We have a significant power-based training launch coming in later this year.
We plan to bring in workouts from Today's Plan and other services to enable the execution of power-based running workouts on different devices such as Apple Watch."

So, I would expect it in the coming months. As of now, if you have a Garmin, you can sync the workout directly to it to execute, but some of these others will come soon. Today's Plan was acquired in late 2019 by many of the heads of Specialized, and we have had a large investment from them to continue to improve the cloud and platform offerings. We are very nimble, and you'll continue to see more features coming at a very fast rate. (Or at least faster than our competitors seem to operate at).

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http://www.CoachVance.com/
Twitter @jimvance

See my reply above. And thanks for the book plug and being a fan!

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http://www.CoachVance.com/
Twitter @jimvance

Thanks for the feedback. First, I don't know if you're a coach, or just coach yourself, so I'm going to speak as if you're a coach anyway. I think once you understand all you can do with the workout builder, it becomes a pretty great tool. And realize, if you're a coach especially, one structured workout you build in Today's Plan has RPE, HR, and Power prescriptions to it. If you're talking running workouts, then you can add pace zone prescriptions to that as well. And then you do progressions to have 6 different variations of that workout. For example, a long run that starts at 30 mins and progresses by 10 mins, gives you the same run in one workout in your library, but for 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, and 80 mins. And don't forget, there's 4 prescription types for that workout, (RPE, HR, Run Power, Run Pace), so that's actually 24 different workouts you would have to build in TrainingPeaks individually. So you're literally building workouts 24x faster in our platform, and then if you prescribe those workouts, you can set it to progress each week, so you can also write training 6x faster than TrainingPeaks, (they are single workout in library only, drag and drop one at a time). Then you can clone that workout and change the progression to 5 mins instead of 10, and now you have 48 different workouts in the time it would take you to build 2 in TrainingPeaks. So again, once you understand how to use it, it is very fast.

Here's some things to help you, that you might consider trying...

- You should set the "sample threshold" value to your threshold, so you can see what the workout intensity prescribes, (especially if you're looking for a set pace or power)
- You can set custom zones, and the workouts you build can be specific to those zones, so if you wanted to do zones by 10%, you can more easily dial in the specific intensity you're looking for.
- Today's Plan has a YouTube channel to help as well, and here's the one on the workout builder:


Hope this helps, and let me know if you have more questions.

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http://www.CoachVance.com/
Twitter @jimvance

That's ok, you're entitled to your opinion. And I think if you looked at our platform recently, it is something we continue to improve on. It is especially noticeable in our mobile app. Today's Plan has been a small company, with limited resources, but with the new acquisition, things are accelerating with an influx of developers, UI/UX staff, and a very cool roadmap to the things we're building, which no one has or is doing. We will be revolutionizing the market, and it's already starting to happen.

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Twitter @jimvance

Hey Jim. I like what you describe above. That's one of the (many) things about TP that has always frustrated me...the inability to define a parametric workout progression. I don't want to create 15 different versions of the same basic thing. I'm fundamentally lazy.

I want to create a block with certain workout types spread through the week... And the let the progression happen. The I can define the next prototype week 6 or 8 weeks later.

I certainly haven't written today's plan off, by any means. It's been a year.... I probably need to give it another look. I do applaud the hiring of a ui/ux team. I'm a lead engineer for a large Dev team. The ui/ux folks fill in the gaps left by well meaning backend developers , but inept at the front end stuff. I say that as a former backend developer.

Once upon a time when I was a wee little developer I wrote some rather complex spreadsheets to do almost exactly what you describe above. But this was back in the stone age of computerized training logs. The year still started with a 19. :=)

How often can I re-evaluate to system.... Sincey last trial expired?

Awesome, sounds like you should check out our open jobs listings, as there might be some great opportunities for you either now or in the future: https://www.todaysplan.com.au/jobs/

Every new account gets a 7 day free trial of premium status, with no credit card required. So just create a new account and check it out with free premium status. If you PM me your email address, I can send you a basic athlete start-up guide, if you think you'd like some step by step guidance to get head units connected, etc.

Thanks, and I think when you see everything we are doing with our cloud platform, you'll begin to see how different and innovative we are. Also, check out Zone 5 Ventures, our new parent company, (New innovative arm with our cloud technology).

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http://www.CoachVance.com/
Twitter @jimvance

thanks Jim; may i suggest that 7 days is quite small amountof time to assess theplatform - i understand that you have access to training plans and workouts - but maybe you should consider longer period. as it will take longer time for any of us to migrate

another thing which is : equipment list; i do find it helpful to log in shoe mileage also see how many miles i ve ridden on tt vs roadie

Thanks for the question. Actually, on Today's Plan you can already track mileage on which type of bike, (road, TT, gravel, MTB, etc). We are working on more with regards shoes. Stay tuned!

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I´m not sure how exactly you use TP but you could try 2PEAK. It is a platform developed with Sebastian Kienle with automated dynamic training plans that will adapt if based on your abilities, training, races, recovery, etc. there are also loads of analysis tools on the web and mobile app version.

It is definitely a different thing than training peaks but for most people training for triathlon it could completely replace it and provide more value. They offer a free 21 day trial to see if you like it.

Thanks for that!

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On the website it says that the app is free but when I go to the app store it says you have to pay...have you experienced that?

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I did not have that issue but could be because I created my account on the web version and then just logged in on the app.

I will try from my desktop.

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Hello,
Thanks for checking out 2PEAK as a training alternative. Yes there is a free 21 day trial and you should get this regardless of if you register with the app or on the web.

Can I ask which app you are using? We do have multiple apps so that athletes doing different sports can find us easier. As a triathlete I would download "Tri2PEAK" but with Bike2PEAK and Run2PEAK you should actually get the same functions including the free trial.

After you put in your email and answer a few basic questions, height, weight, training age, available training volume... you should get to a screen like this...

If you are still having issues or have any other questions feel free to reach out to me personally at T-roy@2peak.com

Hi, I just downloaded Tri2Peak. Is there way to import data from Training Peaks? I have been doing some training so it would be good to get started with something that takes my previous workout history into account.

Thanks for taking the time to respond to this.

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Yes once you make the connection to Training Peaks, Strava, Garmin connect, etc... the last 60 days of your training should automatically start to sync. Additionally you can add older training sessions by uploading them manually.

I responded to your other questions in the email :)

Yup I saw thanks for that

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Turn off the marketing splash screens for paying customers trying to log on each day.

This sounds good and promising, looking forward to trying it out. TP has a lot of room for improvement, and it is disappointing in my view to see the exact same mediocre (yet adequate) product year in year out.

Can you please explain "pace efficiency" to me? It has units of "%", the description only says "HR / pace", but I can't figure out a permutation of HR and pace that results in a values I see in my uploaded data. Note: I'm used to Efficiency Factor with units of yards / beat.

Initial impressions:

The color scheme is hard to view. Pastels on white is just too low of a contrast. My monitor is a bit old, and its color rendering isn't perfect. So, many of the pastels just blend into the white. At first there were some that I couldn't see at all. But, I color calibrated my monitor and that helped some. The colors need to be more "bold" so that you are less vulnerable to less than perfect monitors. A perfect example is the green in the elevation profile---I can barely discern this green.

The fonts are too small. And again there are several places where you have light grey text on a white background (also about 6pt). VERY hard to read for a 51 year old male.

The workout template editor is pretty painful to use. Visualizing the effects of the various parameters is tricky. I still haven't figured out exactly what the ">" symbol does. It looks like it creates sub-steps. But, I haven't made sense of the differences. EDIT: I figured it out....yes, its substeps----So, you can repeat a sequence of steps. But, its not clear at all....and, I couldn't find anywhere in the documents that describes this. Maybe its in the videos. I don't like videos, I can read a heck of a lot faster...and I can skim for what I'm looking for. The modals also drive me batty---ugh, modals suck in soo many cases. Let me edit the fields in the table instead of forcing me to open a modal that covers up everything else I was looking at. The builder NEEDS a graphical depiction of what's being created. The cognitition required to think my way through the interface, interferes with my ability to think about the workout I'm trying to create. Its just a lot of mental overhead that shouldn't be necessary.

But, the ability to create a progression over a period of weeks is very nice. That said, it seems that once I drop a template onto the calendar and create a progression over N weeks (on "Tuesday"), those workouts are created separately and are no longer associated. So, if I change my mind, or want to move them around (maybe I decide it fits better on Thursday instead of Wednesday)...I need to move/delete each one every week independently. These database actions are pretty slow taking several seconds each.

I like the PMC at the bottom of the calendar (or whatever you call it). I like the idea that I can create training periods, but you seem to call them plans, rather than meso-cycles or training periods. Seems to me a plan is a collection of training-periods culminating in an event. That terminology seems odd. I would like to be able to plan the PMC directly...ie, specify the target CTL/ATL/ramp rate/etc for a particular period. Then I'd want to see how planned workouts match up with the training plan CTL/ATL profile. In other words make the PMC prescriptive....not just descriptive.

I like the hover over actions on the calendar items, and most objects on the display. Weather forecast doesn't seem to work for me. Maybe that only works in Aus?

I would like to be able to resize the various pane boundaries: left, right, bottom. Instead of just on/off.

My garmin calendar shows 2x workouts for each scheduled workout on my calander: Tempo (with heart rate targets) [#####], Temp (speed) [#####].

Probably more to follow as I play around with it more.

If you want a basic less expensive log, coach or athlete, Garmin Sync compatible, take a look at: gofasttrak (dot com)

TrainingPeaks is not wasting time, working hard around the clock to deliver meaningful updates to it's platfrom.

New effin colors for the cards and icons... https://www.trainingpeaks.com/...ks-calendar-refresh/
Can't believe they had balls to even write a blog post about such a minor UI tweak.

TriDot has a decent platform. They are still working on features that are standard with TP, but they have the AI side to it that's a different dimension.
Final Surge has also gotten into the game and thrown some cash around being an IRONMAN partner. IRONMAN is pushing them big time.

I coach in TP and TriDot, and exploring Final Surge, but right now TP hits the sweet spot for me as a coach and athlete.

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Ryan
http://www.SetThePaceTriathlon.com
http://www.TriathlonTrainingDaddy.com
I got plans - https://www.trainingpeaks.com/...dotcom#trainingplans

How does it compare to Tri2peak another AI platform? By the way does tridot support stryd?

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"see the world as it is not as you want it to be"

Reviving this post. Anybody has new impressions for an alternative to TP?
My premium membership just expired and I’m ready to experience something new.
With basic functionality, you know, like a moving average for weight (to give average weekly weight), for instance.

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http://powerful-problem-solving.com

Intervals.icu will do the job for you. You can plot all sorts of things on the fitness page and choose how to average them etc.. Here is 7d moving average of my weight. Porked up a bit recently!

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https://intervals.icu

Today’s Plan gives you a free 7 day trial. Has a lot of customization options, and different tools. If you’re competing in Zwift Academy, the account is free for 8 weeks, with a ZA dashboard. Check it out.

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Jim Vance
http://TodaysPlan.com.au (Disclosure: I am contracted with Today's Plan)
http://www.CoachVance.com/
Twitter @jimvance

I have checked intervals before, but I did not see a way to sync weight (my actual weight is logged in garmin connect whenever I step on the scale), only to manually set it. Are you changing it manually or is there an option I missed?

I enter it manually. I am busy adding support for all kinds of wellness stats (weight, HRV etc.) and will be integrating with Garmin Health soon. You can currently sync weight from Strava so if you can it it there it will work today.

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https://intervals.icu

Hi There, if you are a coach please take a look below for a TP alternative,

My name is Aris Myrkos. I’m a peer endurance coach and an exercise physiologist (MSc, Ph.D. (c). ) My team (scientists, developers, coaches) and I are developing a new coaching platform, to help coaches train, manage & monitor athletes more efficiently, in less time. We’re looking to bring real value to a coach’s workflow. Use it for FREE to train yourself and 1 athlete or get a custom Pro subscription and only pay for the number of athletes you’ll be coaching.
We’re looking for your FEEDBACK, to help make our platform even more valuable!
We may not have the most complete feature set on the market yet. But we have an incomparable advantage. We recognize the coach’s value. In our app, athletes can neither create a program, nor voluntarily change the program designed by their coach! So, most importantly, we FOCUS ON THE COACH and will always develop our product to the coach’s needs.
Please, take a look at sciencetraining.io. Don't hesitate to contact me directly! Thanks!

Last season, I was thinking about looking for an alternative to TP, getting increasingly tired of the status quo. Missed the auto-renewal (which, by the way, I really don't appreciate, give me a headsup before renewing me, it's just curtesy) so I grudgingly stayed with TP, and canceled the auto-renewal. Came across this thread, and decided to give Today's Plan a trial.
3 or 4 days in, this looks like a winner :) Will be using in conjunction with the excellent intervals.icu

Plus
- The TSS-like weighting of running versus other sports
- Global UI looks sleek and practical, minus a few hicups here and there
- Progressive workouts building, and globally the workout builder experience
- Nice documentation
- DashboardS with stats and stuff. Not just one dashboard!
- Free, no strings attached trial

Cons
- Can't create a workout using a % of power, has to be a zone thingy (not a huge deal most of the time, but still impractical in my opinion)
- I don't see any equivalent to a yearly training plan, just to set the target T-scores and set a progression, with events, phases etc.
- Planning builder is Cycling only (related to previous point I guess?). As a side note, I wanted to have a look at the all made plans, and it's asking me for a start date. Well OK, but maybe give me the option to set it by end date, like an event (yes, I'm lazy and don't want to calculate ;) ) Plus, the start date has to be the current week!
- No Strava import (to be fair, this is mostly because my bike GPS is a Karoo, which doesn't support --yet-- synching of rides to Today's Plan)
- Can't figure if there's a way to have a proper elevation correction for runs (it doesn't seem to resynch using the Correction when enabled in Garmin Connect, and I can't find an elevation correction feature like Training Peak has)

I use Todays Plan, best feature for me is the ability to export custom workouts from my training plan into zwift, instead of having to build them.

Not sure if the other options have the same thing, haven't checked. I found this highly convenient though, and makes indoor training a bit less of a pain.

Thanks, and great to hear you are enjoying it! If you're a stats guy, or want to chart anything, if a metric is put into Today's Plan, it can be graphed and charted. Make your views specific to what you want to see, fully customizable. Check out our YouTube channel for a lot of good help videos.



Just to help here, I will reply in order.
- There are many coaches who have created custom 10 power zones to get more to a % of power prescription. It's just whatever the scale you want to use, as everything is customizable.
- The Annual Planner Chart is at the bottom of the calendar screen, little arrow up button. In the top right settings of that chart, make sure PLANS box is checked. Then take the weeks you want to include in a phase by clicking and dragging on the chart, and create whatever cycles, phases, notes, or whatever you want.
- As a coach on the platform, I don't use the plans, but feel free to email support@todaysplan.com.au with questions on that, or as feedback to improve, so we can log that request.
- Actually, you can import from Strava, via Fitness-Syncer. We are actively and quickly expanding our syncing with many different devices and platforms.
- We do not have an elevation correction tool, but we find as the technology has improved, there is much less need for it

We just released new features, like a route builder, live achievements and activity recording right within the mobile app, which should help reduce the barrier of entry into the sport, and bring the gamification to outdoor training. We're really excited about the stuff we're doing to help organizations & coaching companies create and foster their communities, like these: https://www.todaysplan.com.au/find-a-community/

Always happy to help, and be sure to keep sharing your ideas and feature requests, as we move fast!

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Jim Vance
http://TodaysPlan.com.au (Disclosure: I am contracted with Today's Plan)
http://www.CoachVance.com/
Twitter @jimvance

Follow-up much appreciated :)
- Regarding the power (zones versus %), yeah I see what you mean, feels more like a workaround whereas you should probably just have a different field to input a percentage directly (users are lazy!)
- Found the planning following your instructions, I will send feedback after a few weeks of usage, I think you have a lack of visibility on that feature, and a little bit of UI work to do, but it's there, and I'm really happier than I was before reading your answer.
- Appreciate the Fitness-syncer :)
- Regarding Elevation correction, well, tell that to my Garmin watch: it was a bit windy, and it recorded about 22km of elevation in a 10km run! I still think you should look into pulling the elevation correction from Garmin if it's available (but I bet it's not... )

If you are a coach, you could try TrainerPlan (trainerplan.co)

I like Today's Plan, but no elevation correction is a deal breaker. Non barometric Garmin units are terrible at elevation (but Connect does a decent job of correcting it). However Today's Plan downloads the data without correction, which means a recent half marathon race I did recently on a F1 track ended up with more than 400m of elevation gain, with no way for me to correct that :|

If you are an endurance coach and you want, train, monitoring, manging communicate and interact with your athletes you might want to check http://www.sciencetraining.io

1. [/url]Today, most are synced with giants like Garmin, so workouts can be structured and ran on your GPS watch, device or bike computer.
2. Garmin has the market cornered for the most part for workout tracking. They are developing their workout plans more and more, but the true key is analyzation after the workout where Garmin is strong.
3. Speaking of post workout, apps like TrainingPeaks are next level with review of post workouts stats and going steps further with their management charts and WK01 platform. But, keep in mind with the fancy side, trash in trash out. Your data needs to be clean for it to make sense and be effective.
4. TriDot is gaining ground and recently released an update that gives your data a score relevant to the platform and how helpful it is in post workout review. They are also on the side of more AI based planning and as opposed to a coach making your workouts, they have a library that's calculated based on your performance and assessments. But again garbage in, garbage out so be mindful.
5. Final Surge is jumping into the game and catching up, but is distinctly behind in the game at the moment.
6. There's also apps such as Today's Plan and a handful of other platforms to look out for.
7. But, what about the bike? Now that smart trainers prevail, you would be remiss not utilizing apps like Zwift, Rouvy and Trainer Road. Structured workouts to run your trainer in the cold months, no better way to go. But, they lack the back end to really dig into the stats and look at your triathlon game as a whole. More complimentary.
8. Aside from the various apps and what features they bring... cost is a growing factor. More features, more cost. But what's the saying, you get what you pay for?
9. Not all apps are the same when it comes to phone support. Don't want to be tied to the web version, do some homework to see which have a robust phone app component.
10. Not all apps are equal when it comes to IT tech support. If it's a one man band, you may be waiting for responses when the game is on the line.
11. Not all apps play well with coaches. Apps like TrainingPeaks were built for coaches... while apps like TriDot HAVE coaching features, but more secondary.
12. Sometimes if comes down to feel. If you spent any time in math classes, you may know the reference of the difference between TI and HP calculators. Built for the same purpose, but drastically different in end user interfaces, something like Microsoft and Apple.

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Ryan
http://www.SetThePaceTriathlon.com
http://www.TriathlonTrainingDaddy.com
I got plans - https://www.trainingpeaks.com/...dotcom#trainingplans

I'm currently using Trainerroad for workout planning and execution, going to intervals.icu for tracking. Just cycling so far for a few weeks after a long hiatus (illness, work, family etc etc), but I have my first run planned for tomorrow.

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Swimming Workout of the Day:

Favourite Swim Sets:

2020 National Masters Champion - M50-54 - 50m Butterfly

I am enjoying Today's Plan, one glitch I have noticed, when calculating swim TSS, it seems to do it on heart rate rather than pace (TP uses pace). Can this be changed to calculated it on pace rather than heart rate?

Great to hear you're enjoying it! One of the great things about Today's Plan is you can select how stress scores are calculated, like by pace or HR. Just go to your name in the top right, select Account. Then Threshold/Zones, select the sport as swim, and then in Sport Settings choose the primary and secondary ways of stress score calculations.

Hope this helps!

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Jim Vance
http://TodaysPlan.com.au (Disclosure: I am contracted with Today's Plan)
http://www.CoachVance.com/
Twitter @jimvance

Wondering if anyone has used HumanGo and if so, what you thought of it. Pros? Cons? If I understand correctly, it is primarily for athletes who do not have a coach and develops a dynamic training plan based upon AI. Seems to have lots of flexibility and can accommodate individual needs (ie if you tell it that you are sick today and therefore cannot complete your workouts, it will adjust tomorrow's workouts).

Don't know if someone has mentioned it.
The best application that i found to replace training peaks at the moment is nolio (nolio.io)
Functionalities are and price is pretty nice. It's a relatively new "french app" but also available in english

I have been looking for an alternative to TrainingPeaks for quite some time now, I finally gave Todays Plan a go and it is pretty amazing really. Set it up and immediately record a message that my ftp on one of my Garmin’s didn’t match my ftp in the app, also received a message that my Quarq battery was running low. Pretty cool!

It’s pricey though. Almost three times what I’m currently paying. Need to fiddle with it for the next week to see if the cost difference is worth it or not.

Awesome to hear! Thanks for sharing and the feedback!

Just an FYI on the costs, the highest tier price is if you want access to training plans, if you're not a coached athlete. For most athletes who are self-coached, or even those that are coached and not following any pre-built training plans, the $99/yr annual fee is all you need, (or you can pay the $12/mo). And in comparison, TrainingPeaks is $119/yr, or $20/mo, so the fees at Today's Plan are cheaper.

And considering the analytics available for Today's Plan, that eliminate a lot of the need for WKO, Today's Plan is definitely more budget friendly.

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Jim Vance
http://TodaysPlan.com.au (Disclosure: I am contracted with Today's Plan)
http://www.CoachVance.com/
Twitter @jimvance

I actually completely overlooked that to be honest! Thanks for pointing that out.

Sure. Just contact support and they will refund the difference if you want a different account tier.

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Jim Vance
http://TodaysPlan.com.au (Disclosure: I am contracted with Today's Plan)
http://www.CoachVance.com/
Twitter @jimvance

Quick question. Is there a way in todays plan to view a cumulative power zone distribution? For example strava shows me how long I spent in a power zone for a certain ride, but lets say I wanted to see that data for the last x days or weeks?

Hey Jim, do you know if there’s any way to sync from Peloton workouts? Peloton will sync to Strava but would it follow through to Today’s Plan? I’ve been a long time TP user and cancelled my monthly subscription a while back, but looking to get going again and considering options.

Intervals.icu gives you totals like that and a lot more (disclaimer: I founded Intervals.icu)

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https://intervals.icu

You might be able to do this through the dashboard page using the add widget, training mix option, then playing with the time scales. Not tried it though.

Nice! I recently found out about intervals.icu and started using it a couple of months ago. I love it. (I haven't started my $4/month subscription yet, but I will be doing that soon)

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Swimming Workout of the Day:

Favourite Swim Sets:

2020 National Masters Champion - M50-54 - 50m Butterfly

Yes, you can do this in the Dashboard. Go to Dashboard > Click on + symbol in top right to add a chart/graph > Select Training Mix > Time in Zones. From there you can customize to type of zones, (HR, power, etc), and then even if you have customized zones you follow, you can select those.

Anything that is uploaded to Today's Plan can be charted and graphed, and many with alerts on them, based on what you want to know. The customizations of the platform are extensive, based on your own IP, whether a self-coached athlete, or a coach with hundreds or a few athletes. Hope this helps!

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Jim Vance
http://TodaysPlan.com.au (Disclosure: I am contracted with Today's Plan)
http://www.CoachVance.com/
Twitter @jimvance

Sure. If you have Peloton write/sync to Apple HealthFit app, then you can connect to Today's Plan thru there directly. That's the best way I've found. (Disclosure: I don't own, nor have ever used a Peloton, this is just what I have heard from our users).

Hope this helps!

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Jim Vance
http://TodaysPlan.com.au (Disclosure: I am contracted with Today's Plan)
http://www.CoachVance.com/
Twitter @jimvance

Cool thx! I appreciate the insight. I asked Today’s Plan chat support but they didn’t suggest that. I used to sync Peloton with an app called mPaceLine, which then sync’d to Strava as well. But it was a bit of a needless connection really.

David, I'm exploring intervals.icu and I have a few questions for you:

1. when I am looking at weekly time in zones, can you tell me if the training "category" can be changed or is it highlighting the category that I fall into? See pic:



Basically, is there a way to always see "pyramidal" in that highlighted state? That's actually exactly what I'm looking for, in terms of an easy way to visualize how much time in zones I'm doing. But I can't quite figure out if that's just a default, or is there a setting somewhere? I noticed it said "unique" for one of my workouts or one of my weeks and I couldn't figure out why.

2. Sidenote, is there a way to customize the zones? It may not make sense to anybody else but i try to just stick to a 3-zone breakdown, at least in my head - pyramidal works for me, because of course I have an upper and lower range to each of my zones, but I'm currently only focusing on Z1/2 base building and that's what I want to see broken out.

3. When it comes to importing workouts, what is the best way to do this? I used to have a trainerroad subscription but I canceled it because it was just a way to build workouts, even though it was a bit clunky. I have a free version of trainingpeaks but I'm looking to get off of it, since I don't really want to pay for premium - by the way, I did sign up to support you guys as I figure this out :)

Thanks!

The time in zones classification can't be changed. However it might not be super obvious but the 3 zone breakdown numbers in the highlighted box are your actual numbers. The non-highlighted boxes just show sample data. So I think it is answering your question.

You can customise zones for power, HR and pace separately for each sport in /settings. Intervals.icu does make some assumptions about how your zones are done when constructing the 3 zone model for the classifications. If you have 5+ zones then it uses 1+2, 3+4, 5+. If you have only 4 then its 1+2, 3, 4.

You can import workouts from zwo/fit/mrc/erg files into a folder in your library or directly when creating a workout on your calendar. You can also extract workouts from activity fit files sometimes (e.g. Garmin devices include the workout steps in the activity file).

Tx for signing up!

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https://intervals.icu

Thanks I appreciate it. I was trying to decide if it's worth trying to import workouts or blocks of workouts from trainingpeaks for example. I like the folders and planning aspects so far!