Idiots

Also at the moment this state (PA) claims it wont lift the mandate until 70% of eligible people get the vax

I am vaccinated (and past the two weeks after the second). I will not be the problem.

You sure about that? Seven post-vaccination (J&J) staff members, three of them coaches, of the NY Yankees just tested positive (six asymptomatic). Can we say for sure that they didn't or won't spread it to anyone else?

Idiots

Science

You sure about that? Seven post-vaccination (J&J) staff members, three of them coaches, of the NY Yankees just tested positive (six asymptomatic). Can we say for sure that they didn't or won't spread it to anyone else?

Masks are done with whether you are vaccinated or not.

You sure about that? Seven post-vaccination (J&J) staff members, three of them coaches, of the NY Yankees just tested positive (six asymptomatic). Can we say for sure that they didn't or won't spread it to anyone else?

Exactly

Idiots

Exactly

Idiots

So who are the idiots?

The CDC/the administration?
Those that refuse to be vaccinated?

Those that have refused to get vaccinated and act like they have will be the greatest impacted. Science is a bitch.
Those are the same idiots that have been crying about their freedom being infringed with wearing a mask. Do you really expect the rest of nation to coddle them because they refuse to believe in science? Fuck 'em I say.

"If you like your mask, you can keep it"----Obama.

Yes



No I expect the fucking CDC to not give a green light to Captain Fuckstick and Prince dingleberry to not have to wear a mask before all the kids vaccinated. I hate masks with an undying passion but another month to 1.5 or so and we'd be fucking golden

Idiots

Human nature will trump science in this case.

I gotta say that made me chuckle for some reason.

Captain Fuckstick and Prince Dingleberry have been the ones fucking this up from the get go. We'd be fucking golden right now if they would have been responsible weeks ago. I'm out of patience for those guys. The vaccine has been readily available for months. Fuck 'em for being anti vaccine and anti science.

Your position is incongruent with your other positions on personal responsibility and consequences, but fully inline with you being anti-everything.

You sure about that? Seven post-vaccination (J&J) staff members, three of them coaches, of the NY Yankees just tested positive (six asymptomatic). Can we say for sure that they didn't or won't spread it to anyone else?

Question for those that have decided to forego the vaccine, will you be following the CDC guideline to continue wearing a mask?

The great news is that this illustrates how well the vaccines are working in preventing serious illness.

That's the point that many people seem to miss: vaccines prevent disease, not infection.

That's the point that many people seem to miss: vaccines prevent disease, not infection.

Given the insane transmissibility of the new Indian variant, the vaccine(s) might not be nearly as effective at stopping transmission as we'd hope for in a society with so many anti-vaxxers.

That's the point that many people seem to miss: vaccines prevent disease, not infection.

Given the insane transmissibility of the new Indian variant, the vaccine(s) might not be nearly as effective at stopping transmission as we'd hope for in a society with so many anti-vaxxers.

That was rhetorical and meant to be in pink font, right?

PA is following the CDC and alllowing everyone vaccinated to go unmasked as of right now. Suddenly everyone who was antivax I bet is fully vaccinated as of today.

I’m not good with this sudden change. I was banking on a slower rollout

Nashville is the same as of tomorrow. I will be interested to hear what the Preds say when they are planning to have 12,000 people at games 3 and 4 of the Stanley Cup playoffs next week. I may rethink my tickets depending on their answer.

I have gotten my 2 shots and am 3 weeks post second shot. I will continue to wear my mask until I feel that more people have gotten the shot. I also will continue to avoid people until my daughter is fully vaccinated (first shot now Saturday, previously appt. for Tuesday). I've gone this long being safe, why fuck that up????

I feel sorry for you, living in such fear.

I know right, all those people wearing seatbelts, living in fear.

Do you walk around your house wearing a helmet? If not why not?

I feel sorry for you, living in such fear.

I have gotten my 2 shots and am 3 weeks post second shot. I will continue to wear my mask until I feel that more people have gotten the shot. I also will continue to avoid people until my daughter is fully vaccinated (first shot now Saturday, previously appt. for Tuesday). I've gone this long being safe, why fuck that up????

I suppose you could claim fear. I would characterize his action as mature considerate compassion for his family.

Do you the difference between why the CDC was recommended wearing a mask indoors prior to this and why they recommend wearing a seatbelt? The former was based on caution until data was generated to show that it wasn’t needed. The later is based on data showing that it is needed.

If the scientific community came out with a consensus position that wearing seatbelts and helmets did not significantly impact one’s chances of injury in an accident, would you continue to use them?

I have gotten my 2 shots and am 3 weeks post second shot. I will continue to wear my mask until I feel that more people have gotten the shot. I also will continue to avoid people until my daughter is fully vaccinated (first shot now Saturday, previously appt. for Tuesday). I've gone this long being safe, why fuck that up????

Exactly, no seat belts or helmets for me, I don't live in fear!!!!!!!

After doing my morning check-in with Fox News, I now understand this is just a PR move by the CDC to distract people from a White House in crisis. I wish I was kidding, that is actually the top headline on their web site right now.

I feel sorry for you, living in such fear.

I feel sorry for you, living in such fear.

I know right, all those people wearing seatbelts, living in fear.

That’s my fear. I don’t want to live in mask world.

Seatbelts protect you, not the guy you crash into.

Isn’t that the same as a mask? Everyone says wearing a mask is about saving the other guy. So, I don’t quite get this argument that is used so often.

Besides that, it took years after seat belt laws were put in place for everyone to comply. That’s the real issue. Masks are more widely accepted now by people than a year ago. As time moves on, it will be even more accepted.

That’s my fear. I don’t want to live in mask world. For this reason, I’m glad the CDC released this update. Maybe a month to early though.

Seatbelts protect you, not the guy you crash into.

Isn’t that the same as a mask? Everyone says wearing a mask is about saving the other guy. So, I don’t quite get this argument that is used so often.

Besides that, it took years after seat belt laws were put in place for everyone to comply. That’s the real issue. Masks are more widely accepted now by people than a year ago. As time moves on, it will be even more accepted.

That’s my fear. I don’t want to live in mask world. For this reason, I’m glad the CDC released this update. Maybe a month to early though.

I don't see how velocomp is "living in fear". He is being thoughtful and considerate of his family and friends. It is a tiny burden.

There is just so much stupid in this statement. A person looks out for his family and actually cares what is going on around him but is just living in fear. I guess not giving a fuck about anyone other than yourself works for you.

All along, everyone has been saying "oh you have to follow the CDC guidance." Except now the CDC guidance says you don't have to wear it if you're vaccinated. And yet a bunch of you are saying you're going to continue to wear one anyway. And his actual words were that he's going to continue wearing one until he "feels that more people have gotten the shot". So he's going on feelings instead of CDC guidance.

All along, everyone has been saying "oh you have to follow the CDC guidance." Except now the CDC guidance says you don't have to wear it if you're vaccinated. And yet a bunch of you are saying you're going to continue to wear one anyway. And his actual words were that he's going to continue wearing one until he "feels that more people have gotten the shot". So he's going on feelings instead of CDC guidance.

That’s my fear. I don’t want to live in mask world. For this reason, I’m glad the CDC released this update. Maybe a month to early though.

I would hardly call it fear. I don't wear a mask when riding. I don't wear it around the house. What is wrong with wearing it in crowded public places. What is wrong seeing what happens (spikes, etc.). Wearing a mask is really the simplest thing we have done during this pandemic. I don't like it, but it is easy. Also, I have a large team I manage in India. I've seen how it is impacting everyone there. I've had employees lose family members. I have several with family currently hospitalized. This disease is not to be taken lightly. So I won't. When I feel like we are ready to open up fully, I will do so.

Plus the whole not being sick this year, I think lots of people are going to be wearing masks every winter to avoid the flu and colds.

That is the plan. Allow them to take the mask off, and more peeps that are on the fence, just might get the vaccine now.

Very fair point. I don't generally get sick, so no role in my decision, but I can see others continuing in order to prevent illness.

I think the plan was to entice more people to get the vaccine.

But it seems the American Way is to get away with as much as possible.
"I left my card at home" will become a popular phrase.

I'm giving it a week and then I'm starting my no longer comply.

5/21: Never outside
5/23: I'll have to be asked if I'm inside. If it's a private place, I'll follow their rules, a public place, I'll ignore.

After 14 months, I'm no longer going to be inconvenienced doing something that does nothing (wearing a mask being fully vaccinated) by the same government that doesn't even attempt to force people to do the one thing that we know works (get vaccinated).

How do you tell the difference between a fully vaccinated person and an unvaccinated person if they aren't wearing a mask?

Ask them who won the election.

You vaccinated?

For the most part I think you're a total jackass but this one time I'm in 100% agreement. If you're vaxxed there's really no need for the masks. Let's move on with life.

This pandemic has shown just how bad off we are intelligence wise.
We get our "science" from elected officials, the news entertainment media, and random people on social media.
How soon until we start watering crops with Brawndo?

I can understand this reasoning but it puts those of us with kids under 12 in a really weird position. Cause asymptotic case clusters pop up in places with monitoring so it seems you can still get it with a vaccine - but it’s not clear how well it passes- but it seems to among the vaccinated- so I assume it would to the unvaccinated too.


How many kids under 12 have had serious Covid or died of Covid because they were infected by a fully vaccinated individual who wasn't wearing a mask? I'm guessing its the same number of kids under 12 who have had a serious injury or died from wearing a mask.


You need to prove your age to drive.
You need to prove your age to buy beer.
You need to prove you don't have a weapon to fly.
You need to prove your identity to travel internationally.
You need to prove you don't have COVID to travel to Hawaii


Yet nothing is being done by the government to even slightly inconvenience people that are too hard-headed to get a free vaccine. It's fairly simple. Implement a national vaccine passport program where if you don't have one, you can't fly, stay in a hotel, eat in restaurant, shop in a store, go to school, go to a movie,...... If we did this and had it take effect this summer, we would be in the high 90% fully vaccinated rate very quickly.

force people to do the one thing that we know works (get vaccinated).

Yet nothing is being done by the government to even slightly inconvenience people that are too hard-headed to get a free vaccine. It's fairly simple. Implement a national vaccine passport program where if you don't have one, you can't fly, stay in a hotel, eat in restaurant, shop in a store, go to school, go to a movie,...... If we did this and had it take effect this summer, we would be in the high 90% fully vaccinated rate very quickly.

Then are you going to get vaccinated so you can take advantage of the new guidance?

I made the mistake of commenting to a friends Facebook post who is railing against the CDC and the vaccine. He is a radio personality in Montana and a friend from HS. I made the basic comment that the people refusing the vaccine are actually counting on everyone else to get vaccinated so they can get away without it. In pretty much those words. Just my opinion.

Woke up and made the mistake of checking FB and I now have a group of them just railing against me in ALL CAPS and posting articles stating how the vaccines aren’t safe and how I’m against personal freedoms and am a California Nazi. Geez.

I won’t make that mistake again!

This pandemic has shown just how bad off we are intelligence wise.
We get our "science" from elected officials, the news entertainment media, and random people on social media.
How soon until we start watering crops with Brawndo?

All along, everyone has been saying "oh you have to follow the CDC guidance." Except now the CDC guidance says you don't have to wear it if you're vaccinated. And yet a bunch of you are saying you're going to continue to wear one anyway. And his actual words were that he's going to continue wearing one until he "feels that more people have gotten the shot". So he's going on feelings instead of CDC guidance.

exactly. I was thinking the same thing. Up until now, CDC guidelines were gospel. Now, not so much...I guess.

Anyway, I've been fully vaccinated since January. As far as wearing a mask, I'll wear one if it makes others more comfortable. If others still want to wear a mask, thats okay too. Whatever.

This, 100%. Although I share the shock of others that realized we agree with YOU ;)

I know, we can have people get their vaccine Lot number tattooed onto their arms.

Really?

I'm fully Vaccinated, but I'm not wearing a mask just to make someone else feel comfortable. If they're that uncomfortable and living that much in fear they can stay home.

Up until now, CDC guidelines were gospel.

I can understand this reasoning but it puts those of us with kids under 12 in a really weird position. Cause asymptotic case clusters pop up in places with monitoring so it seems you can still get it with a vaccine - but it’s not clear how well it passes- but it seems to among the vaccinated- so I assume it would to the unvaccinated too.

I’m trying to figure out if I need to pull my kid out of dog training and shows that are indoors now that masks are no longer required so she doesn’t risk missing more school if she gets exposed/ sick.

I get how excited everyone is - but it will totally suck for her if she can’t do that stuff.

I miss the days when conservatives were the rugged, self-sacrifice types.

How many 100's of years was that? I know a few libertarians who fit half that equation, but they are about as far from self sacrifice as one can get... (-;

I'm fully vaccinated, I wear pants every time I leave the house largely because I don't want to make other people feel uncomfortable. It's really not a big deal.

I find it odd that some people have been convinced that wearing a mask is some kind of dire burden that has to be endured. Anybody being honest would admit it was a minor inconvenience that we adapted to pretty quickly. I miss the days when conservatives were the rugged, self-sacrifice types.

I went to the gym today, they are no longer requiring masks. I left my mask on out of respect for the staff that was still wearing masks. Really not a big deal, fear played zero part in the decision.

I went to the gym today, they are no longer requiring masks. I left my mask on out of respect for the staff that was still wearing masks. Really not a big deal, fear played zero part in the decision.

Not everybody can easily wear a mask. I can barely wear one long enough to go to the grocery store. I quit my job that I loved because it required wearing a mask.

How do you do with pants?

They're fine, but they don't keep my farts in.

I'm trying to be less sarcastic, it's not going well.

Honest question, what is it about having a piece of cloth over your face that you find so objectionable? I don't get it.

Not everybody can easily wear a mask. I can barely wear one long enough to go to the grocery store. I quit my job that I loved because it required wearing a mask.

I'm trying to be less sarcastic, it's not going well.

Honest question, what is it about having a piece of cloth over your face that you find so objectionable? I don't get it.

I have a very weak gag reflex, without constantly pulling it away I'm coughing and gagging.

The mind is a powerful thing.

Thank God you’re not a woman.

That’s interesting because I forget to take mine off. I wear a mask in my house when workers are over, and I’ve found myself still wearing the mask hours after they leave. I’ve accidentally worn a mask while driving (like every time I drive home from a store practically). I’ve caught myself accidentally wearing one outside alone on the chaise lounge with a book and even into the tub once! Ha! I got fully undressed and in the tub without noticing the face mask!! 😂

My youngest child forgets to take his off. He’ll wear it alone in his room if I forget to remind him to take it off. He got sea sick while out deep sea fishing and didn’t take it off before throwing up. My youngest was sandwiched between the other two kids in a booth in the cabin of the boat. My eldest said it was horrible to see.

I’ve biked 50 miles and run in the de Soto masks. I otherwise wear regular multi-ply cloth masks from Target. I wear glasses to read, so I have some cloth ones with the metal piece to fit nicely. I don’t know why they would cause trouble.

Do you wear a big hefty mask? Are you out of shape? Is it mental? Claustrophobia?

That is really weird how acclimated you have become. That you could be wearing one alone at home for hours without realizing is preposterous.

I have a very weak gag reflex, without constantly pulling it away I'm coughing and gagging.

... A person who's so abjectly terrified of a piece of cloth over his mouth that he works himself into uncontrollable panic attacks... decides to barrel into a discussion about masks to lecture people about living in fear?

I generally try to empathize with people who are working through some complicated mental issues... especially when those mental issues end up having physical manifestations that they can't control... but it becomes exponentially tougher to do that when those people lob insults about the normative, reasonable, and justifiable behavior of others, rather than acknowledging their own problems. Maybe you could rethink your strategy on this one? One place to start would be by acknowledging that another person wearing a mask has the exact same number of negative ramifications for you as another person wearing a button-down shirt... and since there appears to be some evidence that it reduces airborne pathogens (there's no need to complicate this... it's a barrier in front of the portion of your body that produces airborne pathogens...) you'll get to reap the benefits from other people's cautious behaviors...

Furthermore, there are some pretty bright people on this board, and I bet a few of them would be happy to propose strategies that could help you work through the problems you're encountering, and then maybe—one day in the future—there'd be a chance that you could also contribute to some of those collective benefits which, in your current state, you're only able to draw down...

Not everybody can easily wear a mask. I can barely wear one long enough to go to the grocery store. I quit my job that I loved because it required wearing a mask.

That’s interesting because I forget to take mine off. I wear a mask in my house when workers are over, and I’ve found myself still wearing the mask hours after they leave. I’ve accidentally worn a mask while driving (like every time I drive home from a store practically). I’ve caught myself accidentally wearing one outside alone on the chaise lounge with a book and even into the tub once! Ha! I got fully undressed and in the tub without noticing the face mask!! 😂

My youngest child forgets to take his off. He’ll wear it alone in his room if I forget to remind him to take it off. He got sea sick while out deep sea fishing and didn’t take it off before throwing up. My youngest was sandwiched between the other two kids in a booth in the cabin of the boat. My eldest said it was horrible to see.

I’ve biked 50 miles and run in the de Soto masks. I otherwise wear regular multi-ply cloth masks from Target. I wear glasses to read, so I have some cloth ones with the metal piece to fit nicely. I don’t know why they would cause trouble.

Do you wear a big hefty mask? Are you out of shape? Is it mental? Claustrophobia?

And thank God we’re not his wife!

Hey you ass, when did I say I'm terrified of a piece of cloth over my mouth or it was a panic attack? It's just a physical condition, nothing mental about it. Back in the days when I used to ski I would try to wear a full face mask for warmth, couldn't do that then either.

And yes, it's a good thing I'm not gay (I knew someone (not you) would go there lol).

There may be some small component that is physical, maybe a constricted airway or some-such, but it is mostly a mental issue. I frequently deal with people who have similar issues, and I expect you will disagree with this, as most of them do.

I know, we can have people get their vaccine Lot number tattooed onto their arms.

Wouldn't that be redundant? The implanted chip should already provide all the needed information on vaccine status.

Almost like I am a seer

https://www.axios.com/...e4-2ae02ae9ec61.html

Because this was such a bold prediction nobody could possibly have foreseen this?!

Because this was such a bold prediction nobody could possibly have foreseen this?!

This is one of the stupidest things in a line of stupid things that people continue to clamor on about. Too many idiots out there who can't differentiate between "you don't have to" and "you shall not."

I hear all kinds of people claiming that continuing to wear a mask means you don't follow science because CDC says not to wear them anymore. Those people are pretty much all dumbasses.

I was the first to call it therefore all others are just building and expanding on my premise.

Not to mention their inability to know who has what authority to regulate. The CDC is a medical institution. They released a statement saying fully vaccinated people are neither at risk of contracting COVID (or at least a severe case), and are also not at risk for transmitting COVID. It's a purely scientific take on the situation. Hence why states still have mask mandates. It's not time to lift mandates yet because many people still haven't been vaccinated.

Then when many of us balked at the announcement, the antis claim it's because we suddenly don't trust the CDC. Nothing could be further from the truth. It's simply that it was made too early. And predictably the antis are taking it to mean the masking thing is over.

The announcement should have waited a few more weeks.

But now here we are... and hopefully this doesn't cause problems

I'm fine with the announcement being made as soon as CDC thinks they have the info to back up an opinion. The last thing they need is for it to look like they delayed making an announcement to impact policy. It's then up to government, media, etc to communicate what the CDC announcement means. And it's up to people to use their full brain capacity.

You win! Congrats!

Doing a victory lap as I type

Especially since the gag reflex is something triggered by contact with the roof of your mouth, back of the throat or tongue near the tonsils. If a mask is triggering a gag reflex, he's wearing it wrong.

You can do better

Almost like I am a seer

Why would I? My effort was commensurate with the importance of the achievement.