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Fair enough. I am getting further clarification on the exact particulars of "cannot" use. I do my best to be objective, and I have a very good relationship - that I do not make a secret of - with Zipp. If there is some way in which they misspoke to me or I misinterpreted a conversation with them, I will obviously correct that. Especially with regards to not fitting certain brakes, it would be foolish to say something that could so easily be proven false - i.e., as you said, it fits your brakes - so I will get clarification.
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So...let me get this straight what you're saying about this VN test...apparently the Stinger 9 is some special version that nobody has or can buy, but they refused to test the Firecrest 808 that Zipp gave them because it's not available yet?
Somebody at VN (or Hed) has some 'splainin' to do! What Stinger 9 was it that they tested?
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The Stinger 9 used in the VN test is the exact same wheel that customers can buy if they ordered one today. There isnt anything special or secret about the Stinger used in the VN tests. The difference between the 09 and the 10 Stinger is the weave. That resulted in some weight savings but the biggest benefit was the increase in stiffness. The 10 Stinger is stiffer than the 09 Stinger.
The 2010 wheel was used in the test.
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More dirt thrown at Hed Wheels by an athlete sponsored by a competing brand.
Well, of course the NEW Zipp wheels will be better. According to Zipp, that is.
More importantly, for my purposes, Hed Stinger 9s are also $800 cheaper.
Don't you think you have a bit of a bias problem here?
Based on what...the hub? That just proves that the hub is a Zipp hub.
What about this pic of the rim (the broken one being held up in the foreground)? Does that look like a Zipp or a Hed rim? It doesn't look dimpled...
I thought I read somewhere that Highroad builds their own wheels, mixing and matching rims and hubs...
Perhaps seek clarification first before trying to publicly turn people away from buying from the biggest competitor of your sponsor.
You look a little foolish and this has been a trend of late - competitor bashing.
You keep claiming you are trying to be objective, well you need to try a little harder. It's not like you can't contact HED if there is anything you are unsure of and I certainly wouldn't think seeking clarification from your mates from Zipp about a competitors wheels qualifies for much.
However, I do believe HED can do a lot better in providing information as to their tests, tyres tested, compatibility etc... They are certainly not off the hook in this regard, it is really hard to tell a lot about their wheels, especially as most people by race wheels by ordering them without seeing them.
So now that we've gottten past that.
It seems the upshot of this particular test is that the HED Stinger 9 is an aerodynamically superior wheel then the Zipp 808 as tested by VN. Does anyone know how the results compare to the charts on the HED website.
I would say it would be much more fair to edit his post with clarification, but its up to him.
It is funny the way when Zipp wheels don't fit frames, it's the frames fault. When a Hed doesn't fit wheels, it's just a sign of their inferiority.
Zipp may have better hubs and lighter wheels but a lot of times people posting on their behalf or their posts themselves come off as though they are trying to overcompensate or something.
One other interesting note is that Vince at Hed chimes in at the forum for a variety of reasons, especially as of late to chat about the tour. The only time you see Josh Poertner or Waldo pop in to a forum is when their guns are blazing about their products.
I'd lay money that's a Stinger 6 rim. I've seen other pictures of his bike up close, and he was clearly using a Stinger 6 front.
That said, whatever rim it is, I'd say that's pretty amazing. I think a conventional wheel would have fared much worse in that sort of situation. I'd be taking credit for that rim if I were you! I can't believe that rim didn't shatter.