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Help me make my QR PRsix as fast as possible
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In my project #FasterThanSuperman I will try to become the most aerodynamic triathlete on earth. I will use both wind tunnel, Notio Konect and Aerotune to perfect my position and equipment.

My bike current bike spesifications are.


Any thoughts of how I can make it even faster? BTW, our wind tunnel results was awesome and I will reveal some interesting data as soon as I get it.






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Re: Help me make the worlds fastest triathlon bike even better [Allanhov] [ In reply to ]
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What yaw sweep did you test out to?

It may help lower your drag #s if you move your elbows further forward.

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Re: Help me make the worlds fastest triathlon bike even better [desert dude] [ In reply to ]
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desert dude wrote:
What yaw sweep did you test out to?

It may help lower your drag #s if you move your elbows further forward.

Only 5 degrees yaw. The second picture is close to how the position ended. The third is the baseline. We tried elbows in, rasing the bar step by step up to praying mantis.

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Re: Help me make the worlds fastest triathlon bike even better [Allanhov] [ In reply to ]
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Speedplay aero pedals.

Anything else you can do to reduce the qfactor - I think it was Jens who went very very narrow to find the aero improvement. Speedplay can be found with shorter spindles, but I think you need to do more than that to get the aero improvement.

Edit: shoes could be a source of an upgrade too.
Last edited by: SBRinSD: Nov 24, 18 17:04
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Re: Help me make the worlds fastest triathlon bike even better [SBRinSD] [ In reply to ]
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SBRinSD wrote:
Speedplay aero pedals.

Anything else you can do to reduce the qfactor - I think it was Jens who went very very narrow to find the aero improvement. Speedplay can be found with shorter spindles, but I think you need to do more than that to get the aero improvement.

The issue with Speedplay aero pedals is that I lose power meaurment. And then have to get a crank based power meter. I truly love my Assioma Duo and would prefer to keep them. How much more aero can pedals become? Have anyone good data on it?

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Re: Help me make the worlds fastest triathlon bike even better [Allanhov] [ In reply to ]
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Jim at ERO ran a test:

http://www.ero-sports.com/...lay-zero-aero-pedals

TLDR 3-5 watts 1:00 - 2:00 over IM
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Re: Help me make the worlds fastest triathlon bike even better [SBRinSD] [ In reply to ]
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u using ceramic stuff? pulleys, bearings in wheels etc

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Re: Help me make the worlds fastest triathlon bike even better [SpeedOfCourse] [ In reply to ]
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Re: Help me make the worlds fastest triathlon bike even better [Allanhov] [ In reply to ]
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First you need a different bike
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Re: Help me make the worlds fastest triathlon bike even better [Allanhov] [ In reply to ]
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Allanhov wrote:
SBRinSD wrote:
Speedplay aero pedals.

Anything else you can do to reduce the qfactor - I think it was Jens who went very very narrow to find the aero improvement. Speedplay can be found with shorter spindles, but I think you need to do more than that to get the aero improvement.


The issue with Speedplay aero pedals is that I lose power meaurment. And then have to get a crank based power meter. I truly love my Assioma Duo and would prefer to keep them. How much more aero can pedals become? Have anyone good data on it?

Ditch the front derailleur and run 1X. Vision Aero crankset. Use a PowerTap rear hub for the power meter (most aero option for a power meter). Better shoes and SpeedPlay aero pedals with some of the short axles to narrow the Q-factor.
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Re: Help me make the worlds fastest triathlon bike even better [mbecks2] [ In reply to ]
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mbecks2 wrote:
First you need a different bike

Like what?
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Re: Help me make the worlds fastest triathlon bike even better [frebay] [ In reply to ]
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Anything but a shitty QR but if you need a list I'd start with these:

Pinarello Bolide
Factor Slick
Trek Speed Concept
BMC TimeMachine
Look 796 Monoblade
Cervelo P5
Canyon Speedmax
Scott Plasma

and even a:

Cube Aerium
Specialized Shiv (pre 2018 disaster models)
Giant Trinity

It's funny to say "fastest triathlon bike" when showing a picture on a QR lol what a mess
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Re: Help me make the worlds fastest triathlon bike even better [SpeedOfCourse] [ In reply to ]
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Is ceramic more aero? First time I hear this.
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Re: Help me make the worlds fastest triathlon bike even better [SpeedOfCourse] [ In reply to ]
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SpeedOfCourse wrote:
u using ceramic stuff? pulleys, bearings in wheels etc
I have ceramic bottom bracket, but not in the Chris King R45 hubs or pulleys. It might be worth upgrading.

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Re: Help me make the worlds fastest triathlon bike even better [mbecks2] [ In reply to ]
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mbecks2 wrote:
First you need a different bike

May I ask why you believe this?

I just been in the wind tunnel and got fantastic results and believe it would be difficult on a shitty bike.

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Re: Help me make the worlds fastest triathlon bike even better [mbecks2] [ In reply to ]
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There are a number of bikes on your list that are proven to be slower than others on the list.
Do you have any data or just perception of the brands?

The QR is at least in the mix, given the breadth of the field you've listed.


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Re: Help me make the worlds fastest triathlon bike even better [Allanhov] [ In reply to ]
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Frame: Quintana Roo PRSix Disc in size 52Aerobar: Morf-Tech TriFoldSeat: Specialized SiteroGear: Sram EtapBrakes: Sram Hydraulic disc brakesCrankset: Praxis Zayante 170mm carbon crank with Praxis Cold Forged X-Rings with 53/39tWheels: Enve 7.8 SES Disc Tubeless front and rear + a Roval 321 Disc wheel comingTires: Schwalbe Pro One TubelessBottle frame: Xlab Aero TTPedals: Assioma Duo Power pedals

What's the total cost of all that little lot then??
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Re: Help me make the worlds fastest triathlon bike even better [mbecks2] [ In reply to ]
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mbecks2 wrote:
Anything but a shitty QR but if you need a list I'd start with these:

Pinarello Bolide
Factor Slick
Trek Speed Concept
BMC TimeMachine
Look 796 Monoblade
Cervelo P5
Canyon Speedmax
Scott Plasma

and even a:

Cube Aerium
Specialized Shiv (pre 2018 disaster models)
Giant Trinity

It's funny to say "fastest triathlon bike" when showing a picture on a QR lol what a mess

Which tests support your claim?
And how do you know Alan would become more aero in those frames (total drag-wise, complete system)
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Re: Help me make the worlds fastest triathlon bike even better [Allanhov] [ In reply to ]
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You wanted to make the worlds fastest triathlon bike but sounds like your already making compromises with pedals. Also If you want the fastest bike you would prob want to switch frames, I like the QR frame but a p5x, P5 or SC I believe all have tested fasterer. Maybe your header is misleading “help me make the fastest triathlon bike ever” your more asking help me optimize my current set up given my set preferences.

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Re: Help me make the worlds fastest triathlon bike even better [Allanhov] [ In reply to ]
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I don't see your shoes listed... And the pictures look too be velcro
I got 5ish watts moving to laces (like many in this forum)

Also how did you decide on schwalbe tires If you are only looking for pure speed, don't the Vitoria basically blow everyone away?

(or gp tt if you don't want it to fall apart when you look at it?)

Also, when I was speaking to one of the vision guys at kona (I was cheering, not racing), I heard some pretty cool stuff in the metron aero crankset .. Not sure if anyone has tested in real life but dollar not an object, id test that

Ps.. Also saw a handful of watts from speedplay aero pedals fwiw
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Re: Help me make the worlds fastest triathlon bike even better [Allanhov] [ In reply to ]
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As some others have said, there’s a *chance* you’re giving up a few watts with your pedals/shoes. Pedal/shoe aero is not universal (as I found out at A2) but that doesn’t mean that substantial gains don’t exist.

As for a bike, if you’re going for the absolute fastest setup you likely want to be on either a Speed Concept or a P5.

What helmets did you test?
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Re: Help me make the worlds fastest triathlon bike even better [Allanhov] [ In reply to ]
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that third pic is pretty horrible

Allanhov wrote:
desert dude wrote:
What yaw sweep did you test out to?

It may help lower your drag #s if you move your elbows further forward.


Only 5 degrees yaw. The second picture is close to how the position ended. The third is the baseline. We tried elbows in, rasing the bar step by step up to praying mantis.

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Re: Help me make the worlds fastest triathlon bike even better [Allanhov] [ In reply to ]
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Like others have said, a P5, P5x, and SC are going to be faster. I would try to get more reach on the QR if you can as you look scrunched. Your LG shoes are slow. Look at some Giro Empire shoes with elastic laces. How did the xlab bottle test? I would imagine that’s adding some drag for you. There are faster tires out there than the Schwabe (Victoria Corsa speed are the fastest tire out there).

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Re: Help me make the worlds fastest triathlon bike even better [stevej] [ In reply to ]
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You said the second pic was the fastest, with your arms angled up. You're resting on the top part of the pads, I'm wondering if it's worth cutting off the bottom half of the pads given they are angling down into the wind? But without tunnel testing no one knows.
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Re: Help me make the worlds fastest triathlon bike even better [mbecks2] [ In reply to ]
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mbecks2 wrote:
Anything but a shitty QR but if you need a list I'd start with these:

Pinarello Bolide
Factor Slick
Trek Speed Concept
BMC TimeMachine
Look 796 Monoblade
Cervelo P5
Canyon Speedmax
Scott Plasma

and even a:

Cube Aerium
Specialized Shiv (pre 2018 disaster models)
Giant Trinity

It's funny to say "fastest triathlon bike" when showing a picture on a QR lol what a mess

on the whole, this is pretty terrible advice.

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