They are. But that doesn't make it racist. Racism is saying: No blacks allowed, because they're black. Saying no poor, uneducated, unemployed, non-English speaking people allowed isn't racist, even if that means fewer black people will qualify (have no idea if it means that or not). It's equally racist to say you don't qualify based on merit, but we're going to let you in just because of your race. A white person who is a drain on society is the same drain as a black person. Race just isn't an issue here.

Everyone is focussing on the "shit hole" part of the statement and skipping the fact that he doesn't want immigrants from there.


The LATTER part is what makes it racist. Plenty of doctors, scientists, and business owners have come from shit hole countries. Immigration should be about WHO is coming here, not the quality of the country they came from.



Now before a bunch of you knuckle draggers accuse me of calling you racists because you're white, I'm out of here.

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OK. Who's talking about letting people in based on their race?

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Son in Law. Father of my grandchildren and a great father and husband. From one of those middle African countries. Educated in the US with his Phd. Same for his father and his brother. He and his brother are recent U.S. citizens via the lottery. His father returned to the African country.

Trumphole's comments were that he didn't want people from shithole countries like Haiti and in Africa and wanted more from Norway. There are two denominators in that statement. Undeveloped vs. developed. Black vs. white. You choose which or both of them were at play. I think based on the numerous instances of statements he has made that this one had a racial element and tone to it.

I'd have to say that kleenex can count coup with this post. Lefty challenge thrown down, lefty picks up gauntlet and scores.

Yo klehner, can I pls refer to you by the "kleenex" moniker? That spellcheck story really was funny. As a result, your posts now get much more attention because of that story. So it is kinda net gain. This paragraph is a sarcasm and derision free zone.

Re. immigration policy of Switzerland. I read the other day that the Swiss are passing some law that says if you, as a refugee spend time on Welfare, you're not eligible for Citizenship until you pay the $$ back. We ought to have a far easier road for prospective immigrants both to come here, and to also become citizens. But lets have a big carrot and a big stick associated with citizenship. Something that will seriously motivate immigrants to become citizens.

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Seems like this is the reasonable person's viewpoint. Deviations start from here.

If using that makes you happy, go to town.

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TIL I learned that the media cannot use the s word unless it is a quote of a public person using it as per FCC rules. One of the reasons the media LOVES THIS STORY.

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That is essentially how I see it. Perhaps he didn't mean it that way, but it seems to me that it's fairly reasonable to conclude that he did.

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Thanks - I was wondering that. It didn't seem to make sense that they would not say the word SHIT, or our they would put "S***" on the screen, but would then say and write shithole.

No, racism is judging an individual to have certain qualities based on preconceived notions of the race the person belongs to.

• "I think all Asians are good at math. He's Asian, therefore he must be good at math."
• "I think all white people think loud black people are uppity. You're white, therefore you must think all loud black people are uppity."
• "I think all Irish people are drunks. He's Irish, therefore he must be a drunk."

We're all racist in some manner because that's human nature; we always judge others based on what we think we know about the characteristics we see. Ideally, we're self-aware enough to understand that that instinctive rush to judgment is not based on what the individual is actually presenting to us, and we don't jump to those conclusions.

Trump isn't self-reflecting enough to check his gut instinct. He believes his gut is preternaturally accurate, so when he says "people from shithole countries" shouldn't be allowed into the US, it's unlikely that he's considered that his presuppositions of a country may not apply to the individuals from that country.

WNYC radio (public radio) this morning indicated they can't say the word per FCC regulations. At least one longtime host said that.

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I was reading through the first 20 or so posts and was amazed at how that somehow slipped though the discussion. Rather than address the clear and objectionable substance of the policy proposal (and make no mistake, this was a policy discussion), the ball washers pounced on the anti-Trumpers' criticism of the mildly offensive sound byte.

I mean, it's not that Trump is a racist, it's just that he doesn't want Africans or Haitians coming to the United States, and would prefer that the U.S. be populated by people from places like Norway instead. Construing that as racism is just pure TDS!

We can debate the merits of a merit-based system, but let's not pretend he's suggesting anything other than that African and Haitians, as populations, are inherently undesirable, while white northern Europeans should be given top consideration.

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No longer amazed, and no longer surprised. That's been the modus operandi for about a year.

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Nope.

prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

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But South Park can say it 162 times and write it another 38 in a single episode. It is an interesting world we live in.

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I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.

Couldn't resist an attempt at insulting people, huh?

As to the rest of your comment. Do people really think that he opposes doctors, scientists and other hard working professionals and skilled persons from those countries? I can't imagine that he would as they do contribute positively to our society and he should be aware of that. I assume, and could be wrong, that he was thinking about the people who come from those countries and then leach off of society either by committing crimes or by coming here and living off of public assistance. Do you want those people to come here?

Is it fair to say that people from those countries have a less positive contribution to our society versus immigrants from a place like Germany or France (Hey Francois!).

That being said. I dislike Trump and it is leaving a sour taste in my mouth offering possible defenses for this stupid and insensitive statement.

Nope. Immigration is not a right.

And so off topic. But good try.

No one, not even Trump when he mentions he wants people from, for example, Norway. And no one is talking about keeping people out because of race either, not even Trump when he mentions he doesn't want people from, for example, Haiti. It's that simple. Thanks.

maybe, but that's not what was reported that he said.

Nice pretzel, by the way.

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I'm guessing that the concept of doctors, scientists and other hardworking and skilled persons being from these countries is foreign to him. He's probably had zero exposure to such people in his life, and they certainly don't showcase them on Fox News.

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Exactly. Saying that he wants people from Norway and not from Haiti and Africa isn't in the least bit possibly racist.

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We certainly know how careful the media is about accuracy when reporting on Trump.

Pretzel? Nope. Trump is a blowhard, but I can't imagine that he really would oppose hardworking professionals from those countries just because they are from there. If I am wrong, then he is an idiot. Correction, if I am wrong, then he is even a bigger idiot than I thought.

Here's an example of an immigrant from a shithole country:

https://www.google.com/...qhudof6RG0Ui9at45X-K

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