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Re: Tri vs golf [RA] [ In reply to ]
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No sale. They are soft. #1 in the world is Vigay Signh (?sp). He's flabby. Mickelson is still pretty young and in the top three. Others I see don't impress me.

Golf is essentially darts or bowling outdoors.
Same skill set which requires eye hand coordination but ZERO physical fitness. One of the biggest debates in the sport was wether carts should be allowed. The aruement against it was that WALKING the course was so physically draining it was an unfair advantage to the cart guy with a crippled leg.

Guts isn't trying to clear a pond with a 2 iron. Guts is racing the ironman while passing a kidney stone or on a broken leg or with one leg or in a wheelchair, or pushing someone else in a wheelchair.

When I hear golf announcers rambling on about "courage" and "guts" I want to puke.
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Re: Tri vs golf [Tom Demerly] [ In reply to ]
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[reply]I don;t play golf becasue I am not skilled at it and find it more of a geriatric type activity.

I do like bowling.[/reply]

TOM!! You are nuts! When I lived in Ann Arbor (not to far from you) I played golf all the time with all kinds of people, not just blue hairs. Detroit is one of the places where golf is truly an inclusive sport, with lots of public courses and, almost as important, lots of daylight in the summer. I accept your comments that you may not be good at it, but everyone has to start somewhere. Borrow a couple of clubs and go to a range this spring and hit some balls. If you tell me you don't like it because it's not fun, then I will sit down and shut up.

Best,
Paul
Golf & Triathlon Nut
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Re: Tri vs golf [slick] [ In reply to ]
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So where is triathlon on this list:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/sportSkills

You are starting to sound like those arrogant folks on that runners forum that lambasted triathletes, essentially calling us second rate athletes.

Clearly triathlon is more physically exhausting than golf. Not even close. But to not also call professional golfers athletes is trivializing one of the most difficult skills sports known.

PS. I posted the above not 'cause I concur with the ESPN analysis, but to point out that at the same time you ridicule one sport, our sport gets left out in the cold.
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Re: Tri vs golf [slick] [ In reply to ]
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"The arguement against it was that WALKING the course was so physically draining it was an unfair advantage to the cart guy with a crippled leg."

Here's a news flash for all those that do not think walking a golf course (or walking for that matter) is exercise.

Walking works different muscles than running.

Even in Ironman shape, my legs are still sore after walking a hilly golf course (courses are a lot hillier than they appear on TV). I would go so far as to say I'm sorer after walking a round of golf than I am after a normal 6 mile run.

If you want another example, my wife has done one of those breast cancer walks (75 miles in three days or something like that). On occasion, I would walk with her while she was training for it. Again, I was more sore the next day than if I had been running a similar distance.

Walking the course does make a difference in golf.

And, I might add, professional golfers have better hand / eye coordination than us mere mortals can dream about - even if some of them are overweight.

Also, look at Warren Sapp or any of the Offensive or Defensive linemen in the NFL. A lot of them look fat but I know I wouldn't want Sapp chasing after me b/c he runs a 4.6 forty.
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Re: Tri vs golf [RA] [ In reply to ]
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Golf is not a real sport any more than is auto racing, bowling, curling or archery. never said it wasn't difficult. Skill wise it is more difficult than triathlon (maybe not swimming) but it requires ZERO fitness.
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Re: Tri vs golf [kac94] [ In reply to ]
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You are SORE after walking 18 holes of golf. Really? I'm not. Bored mayby, but never sore.
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Re: Tri vs golf [Jon] [ In reply to ]
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Triathlon is much better than golf, but I'm not sure which is really more expensive. If you are doing local sprints on a bike you already have, then tri is much cheaper. But if you do longer stuff that involves travel the cost can be a lot. My wife and I are both doing IM's next year. In the last 4-years, major triathlon purchases have included (or will include): 2 computrainers; 3 bicycles; fluid trainer; 2 wetsuits; 3 IM entry fees; 6 1/2 IM entry fees; lots of other entry fees; travel to St. Croix, South Africa, Lake Placid twice, Austria, Maryland, Vermont, and Delaware. In addition: googles, new running shoes 4 times per year, bike shoes, helmets, bike shorts, tri shorts, spinervals DVDs, pool membership, winter training clothing, sunglasses, lots more food than I would otherwise be eating, energy drinks, energy gels, energy bars, race wheels, new tires, CO2 cartridges. Triathlon is not cheap.

If you play golf at a public course, a set of clubs, a few 12-packs of golf balls, and $25 green fees at the public course are not close to as expensive as tri.
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If you push to the extreme - anything can be more expensive then anything else.

I could counter your IM's with golf trips to Hawaii, Ireland or Pebble beach and keep pace with your costs.

The point I tried to make is the 'so called' expensive sport of Triathlon is no more expensive then golf for the average recreational golfer/triathlete.
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Re: Tri vs golf [slick] [ In reply to ]
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Slick, now you have me cracking up. I have a monster compound bow that some of my friends cannot even pull . . . but archery requires no physical fitness. Perhaps you are using hyperbole to make a point, as I doubt anyone that thinks through this issue rationally can say that golf requires ZERO physical fitness. That's assinine.
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Re: Tri vs golf [RA] [ In reply to ]
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Assinine huh.

John Daly, multiple major winner who smokes and drinks like a fiend and is morbidly obese.

I rest my case.
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Re: Tri vs golf [RA] [ In reply to ]
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That's why we see all those petite women in the Olympic archery competitions. Must be freakishly strong.
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Re: Tri vs golf [slick] [ In reply to ]
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I got $100 says John Daly could beat you in a game of basketball right now.

I am assuming basketball is a sport.
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Re: Tri vs golf [slick] [ In reply to ]
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I think gymnasts are the strongest if compared to bodyweight. My sister is 7 and can do 10 full push-ups. I'm not sure I can do that many =P
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Re: Tri vs golf [kac94] [ In reply to ]
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That would be the quickest $100 bucks I ever made.
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Re: Tri vs golf [slick] [ In reply to ]
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Daly is overweight? If you think he is morbidly obese, then you must be anorexic. I know a guy that is about 75 pounds heavier than Daly, but finished Ironman. So what's your point?

PS. Daly won majors over a decade ago. Recall my posts above talked about the younger generation of golfers. While I think Daly is a great golfer and athlete, he will never win another major.
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Re: Tri vs golf [slick] [ In reply to ]
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God I wish I could set that up.
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Re: Tri vs golf [slick] [ In reply to ]
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Slick, he'd kick your arse . . . or beat it if not. ;)

Does anyone else think this guy is "morbidly obese":

http://www.johndaly.com/aboutthelion.asp
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Re: Tri vs golf [RA] [ In reply to ]
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No question. He would easily meet the definition of morbid obesity.
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Re: Tri vs golf [slick] [ In reply to ]
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Hey slick, what's your 'athletic' resume?

Daly also played baseball and football in high school.

I think my money's safe.
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Re: Tri vs golf [RA] [ In reply to ]
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I've played quite a bit of basketball in my day.
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Re: Tri vs golf [slick] [ In reply to ]
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That was very convincing
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Re: Tri vs golf [slick] [ In reply to ]
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No sale. They are soft. #1 in the world is Vigay Signh (?sp). He's flabby.

Flabby is not a word that comes to mind with Vijay Singh. True, we probably won't be seeing him in an IM anytime soon but he isn't flabby.

http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/news/story?id=1761241

1. Always at work
Just because Vijay Singh has taken two weeks off, don't get the idea he is slacking off. Singh recently completed an addition to his home in Ponte Vedra Beach. It's a two-story workout facility, with a weight room downstairs and a cardiovascular area upstairs. "Pretty much all the equipment to carry me through until I'm 50,'' he said. Along with all the optional extras in exercise, Singh gives much of the credit to his trainer, Joey Diovisalvi, who is with him every step of the way -- and then some. "He the backbone. He's pushed me so hard the last two years,'' Singh said recently. "He's in the gym with me in the mornings and in the evenings, every day, two times a day, five or six days a week. When I go home, he's there at home doing the same thing.''





2. No. 1 but trying harder

You won't find Vijay Singh resting on his new-found laurels -- this week or any week

Thursday, September 23, 2004

By Gerry Dulac, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette







FARMINGTON, Pa. -- At 6:40 a.m., Vijay Singh already was hard at work, swinging and sweating and going through the routine that has made him, at age 40, the No. 1 player in the world.

Singh was in the workout room early yesterday morning at the Nemacolin Woodlands Resort & Spa, pumping free weights, gaining swing resistance from elastic bands and using his powerful frame to swing a 12-pound weighted bar as though it were a 60-degree sand wedge. He was doing this under the supervision of his trainer, Joey Diovisalvi, who periodically travels with Singh and, for this week, also will serve as his caddie.

Singh will repeat the same process today, right before he tees off as the most glamorous addition -- the new $66 million Falling Rock clubhouse and lodge notwithstanding -- to the 84 Lumber Classic of Pennsylvania. The player acknowledged among his peers as the hardest worker at the golf course has now become one of the hardest workers away from the golf course.

It's all part of the preparation that has allowed Singh to post the most spectacular year on the PGA Tour since Tiger Woods won nine times and more than $9.1 million in 2000.

"I probably do a lot more different work for golf in the gym now," Singh said. "I do more work in the gym to improve my golf swing -- let's put it this way, to strengthen my golf swing -- so I'm prepared when I come to a golf tournament. I don't want to come to a golf tournament and find out if I'm going to play well or not. I come here ready. That's what I do."

For the past two years, nobody has done it better.

Singh has won seven tournaments this season, including four of the past five he has entered, a Tiger-esque streak that has propelled him past Woods as the top-ranked player in the world. He is No. 1 on the money list with $8,699,566 and needs $488,756 to surpass Woods' record-setting earnings of $9,188,321 in 2000, something Singh could do with a victory at Mystic Rock.

What's more, he has won 11 times in the past two seasons, the most since Woods won 17 times in 1999 and 2000. Before that, the previous player to win more tournaments than Singh in a two-year period was Tom Watson, who won 12 times in 1979 and 1980.

"I'm enjoying the ride right now," Singh said. "I'm feeling really confident in my game. I'm really looking forward to going out there and performing well again."

Singh hasn't exactly been beating weak fields, either. In his past four victories, he beat John Daly by a stroke to win the Buick Open, won a three-hole playoff at the PGA Championship for his third major title, beat Woods in a head-to-head duel at the Deutsche Bank Championship and survived a playoff against Mike Weir to win the Canadian Open.

His victory in the Deutsche Bank Championship ended Woods' 256-week rein as the world's No. 1 player. Now Singh, a native of Fiji, wants to see how long he can stay there.

"I think it's hard to stay on top," Singh said. "It's not easy, but it's easier to get on top and the hardest thing is to stay up there. If I don't win golf tournaments, I'm going to get kicked off that spot. My wife asked me the other day -- what is your goal for next year? My goal is to go out there and win golf tournaments.

"It's a difficult task and I'm all up for it. I'm playing well and feeling good and I think I can win every time I tee it up. So if you have that kind of feeling, you should just go ahead and ride it."

The people who run the 84 Lumber Classic were salivating at the possibility of a showdown for No. 1 between Singh and Woods, something that appeared to be reality just two days ago. But Woods withdrew from the event, citing mental exhaustion, leaving Singh as the marquee player in an event that features 19 of the top 30 money winners on the PGA Tour.

Singh's participation in the tournament was ensured for at least the next couple of years after he signed a sponsorship deal yesterday with 84 Lumber Co. As part of the arrangement, he will wear the company's logo on the side of his visor and make personal appearances for the lumber retailer.

"I'm not really focusing on individual players," Singh said. "My goal is to go out there and try to play the best I can and see if I can win the golf tournament. I think that's everybody's goal. It doesn't matter who it is. I think once you move the focus away, you really just are dealing with something difficult. You're not going to focus on what you really want to do."

And nobody's been doing than better than Singh.
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Re: Tri vs golf [kac94] [ In reply to ]
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I played Division I lacrosse in college and was the leading scorer on the team senior year and was 1st team all Ivy.

In high school played varsity lacrosse and soccer.

Qualified for Hawaii 3 times. Finished 27th in IMWisco at age 40 2004.

Alpine ski raced.

Played tons of basketball, tennis, softball, and ...... yes.... golf
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Re: Tri vs golf [RA] [ In reply to ]
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Slick, he'd kick your arse . . . or beat it if not. ;)

Does anyone else think this guy is "morbidly obese":

http://www.johndaly.com/aboutthelion.asp


No; he's just big boned! ;-)

Slick is just playing you guys for suckers.

Of course golf requires fitness. So does driving a truck. These are different kinds of fitness than required by triathlon. Powerlifters are hardly lean machines, yet once again, that's another form of fitness.

BTW, ESPN's analysis seems reasonable. I'd slot triathlon in there where they insert distance cycling (essentially the same thing, with less demand on power, thus I'd be open to an even lower slot).

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Re: Tri vs golf [LarryP] [ In reply to ]
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He looks flabby. Maybe it's just the camera. They say it adds 10lbs.
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Re: Tri vs golf [slick] [ In reply to ]
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And do you honestly think that if Daly changed his lifestyle, he couldn't be first team all Ivy at _____ fill in the sport?
(btw, I went to Dartmouth so I'm not dissing the Ivy league).

Daly, at one time, was ranked in the top 5 in the WORLD. That means he was better at golf than 3 billion people.

Just b/c someone is overweight does not mean they are not a good athlete.
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