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As I reflect on my first year in the Triathlon game - a question I get a lot is "where do you find the time and money to do Triathlons?" I have an easy answer - I don't play golf much anymore.

I like to keep track of my expenses using MS Money. When I started training for my first race I set-up an expense category to track what I spent. Now that's it's the end of the year, I have been reviewing all my expenses to set-up my budget for next year. This is what I found. Compared to Golf - Triathlons are dirt cheap.

A review of the numbers.

Golf in 2003 (I used 2003 since I did not play much in 2004)

Equipment. Balls, gloves, tee's, etc, nothing major like new irons or diver $370
Greens fees (I played 25 rounds) $1573
Range & lessons $250
Drinks&Food at the course. I estimated $15 per round for 25 rounds $375
Total $2568

Triathlon in 2004

Entry Fee's. I did two races $130
Travel to races $220
Equipment. New running shoes, bike tune up and parts, other small stuff $320
Heath Club and Masters swim class (for the year) $800
Miscellaneous $130
Total $1600

I have not made any 'Major' equipment purchases yet - such as a new bike or wet suit. But they are comparable in price to a new set of clubs. Hell, putters are going for $250 these days.

Cost - winner Tri.

As for time - an 18 hole weekend round of golf takes on average 6 hours to drive to the course, play, and get back home. Add in time spent at the range and lessons and the long rides and runs don't seem very long.

Time - winner Tri.

For the intangibles.... I'm in much better heath now (180 lbs vs 225 lbs). Triathletes are a more fun to be around the golfers. I spend more time with my wife and kids.

Intangibles - winner Tri.

Triathlon - easy winner over golf. But I must admit - there is a rush you get when you hit the ball just right - that I have yet to find in Triathlons.
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Re: Tri vs golf [glarson] [ In reply to ]
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Yeah, but have you heard any good triathlon jokes? Or any at all?

I've actually done the same thing, but mainly for the time factor. I can't justify the time away from the family to do both. But I'm glad to hear from you that I'm saving $$ too.
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Re: Tri vs golf [glarson] [ In reply to ]
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I like golf, but the people who play it are just too damn slow! Unlike the average golfer, I want to carry my clubs. I also have the urge to run from hole to hole. I heard there was some kind of running golf, but you have to find a course that allows it plus you have to be the first one on the course.
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Re: Tri vs golf [glarson] [ In reply to ]
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Yes, it's the capital required for the startup that's much more costly for triathlon. You are correct, though, that the ongoing costs are likely lower than golf (especially if you play spendy courses like Pebble @ ~$350, or even just good ones at >$125).

Mid-range tri bike -- $2K, aero wheels -- $1K, training by power -- $1.5K, etc., etc.

You can't match those costs in golf.

Oh, and my swim lessons are every bit as much as golf lessons!

Tri is as cheap or expensive as you want to make it. That's the key.

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Re: Tri vs golf [glarson] [ In reply to ]
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In one sport, you can wear funny looking outfits...

And in golf..... (where is that drummer when you need him)

I'm here all week - try the veal.
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Re: Tri vs golf [Hoagy] [ In reply to ]
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Yeah, but have you heard any good triathlon jokes? Or any at all?
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What does a golfer call a triathlete?........nothing, he's never heard of the sport

What's the difference between a golfer and a triathlete?..........About 50 lbs of ugly fat.

Why does golf cost more money than triathlon?............There's a sucker born every minute.

Ok not good, but off the top of my head not bad. I like #2 the best.


Jim

**Note above poster works for a retailer selling bikes and related gear*
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Re: Tri vs golf [glarson] [ In reply to ]
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I don;t play golf becasue I am not skilled at it and find it more of a geriatric type activity.

I like watchin Tiger Woods and the pros play on TV about once every two years, but for me, it is kind of slow moving.

I notice I am only attracted to sports that require a helmet. But then again, the way I golf, a helmet would be required anyway.

I do like bowling.

Tom Demerly
The Tri Shop.com
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Re: Tri vs golf [glarson] [ In reply to ]
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No comparison dude. Golf, especially when you lump in country club dues and golf vacations, eclipse the cost of triathlon. I'm saving a fortune. Golf got me back, though. Played my first round all year after Kona (even avoided golf while on the Island), shot a great (for me) front nine of 41, came up to the tenth, a driveable 310 par 4 - a risk/reward hole. Pulled out the big gun. Cranked it, long, deep and hard, just a chip up. But also cranked my back! Was out of commission for weeks. No more. I'm done with that sport. It hates me. I love it, but it hates me.
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Re: Tri vs golf [Jim] [ In reply to ]
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You and NJSteve may have started a new genre. Or maybe I did! I like #1.
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Re: Tri vs golf [glarson] [ In reply to ]
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Tried golf once. That was enough for me. Besides the equipment cost it could get very expensive if you join one of the hoity-toity clubs.

Scuba diving is comparable to triathlon cost wise. Scuba equipment costs about as much as a decent bike and other tri gear. Then you have to pay for the dives, unless you have your own boat, which I'll assure you is expensive. Also in scuba there are several different levels of certification, all costing $$. In fact, one of the dive agencies is called PADI, meaning Professional Association of Dive Instructors, but in reality it means Put Another Dollar In.
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Re: Tri vs golf [glarson] [ In reply to ]
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Golf sucks. I just don't get it.
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Re: Tri vs golf [cerveloguy] [ In reply to ]
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Tried golf once. That was enough for me. Besides the equipment cost it could get very expensive if you join one of the hoity-toity clubs.


I know people who pay >$15K per year in membership fees to their club. Some are double that. And then there are the freaky clubs that are multiples of even that number.

I didn't much care for golf at first either. But most people become more interested the more they play (as did I).

Also, for whatever reason, I end up pretty tired after a full round. Even if I ride the cart. My shoulders/back/hammies are usually worn down.

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Re: Tri vs golf [slick] [ In reply to ]
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I golfed for a while, but couldn't take it anymore. It's boring and frustrating for me. There is however the issue of networking for your career--golf is the game most people have in common. The key is to find co-workers, associates and clients that are into tri? Anyone had any luck with this?


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Re: Tri vs golf [stevezelinger] [ In reply to ]
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The two best golfers in my town are brothers who are both morbidly obese. What kind of sport is that?
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Re: Tri vs golf [slick] [ In reply to ]
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For once I agree with Slick. Golf sucks. I don't get it either. But then I do enjoy curling, so figure that one out.
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Re: Tri vs golf [cerveloguy] [ In reply to ]
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I think you agreed with me one other time, but I'm not sure.
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Re: Tri vs golf [glarson] [ In reply to ]
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Many years ago, in the late 1990's, I decided I was going to try to get better at golfing. For a couple of years, I at least practiced several times a week. It was a martial-arts-type of mind-body control that kept me interested. You must be keenly aware of the conditions (wind, terrain, elevation, grain of the grass, distance, etc), yet not care too much about the results of any particular shot...either good or bad. And, the harder you try, the worse you get, so you have to learn to let go. Interesting concepts.

I got my handicap down to 6.5. I wasn't fat, didn't drink or eat poorly on the course (I was doing triathlons at the same time) I almost always carried my bags, and would trot between shots...usually finishing in about 2 hours 15 minutes. Then, one day, I noticed that I quit having fun. I had more fun back when I was shooting 90+ than I did shooting below 80. I stopped cold turkey. Haven't picked up a club since. I'm sure I'll play again some day when I get much older, but, for now, I'd rather ride my trainer in the garage than go play golf.



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(That which is said in Latin sounds profound)
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Re: Tri vs golf [stevezelinger] [ In reply to ]
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"the issue of networking for your career"

My best friend was in sales. He told me that some of his best sales were made on the golf course. He learned the game out of necessity for that reason but never enjoyed it. There's probably other golfers that feel the same.
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Re: Tri vs golf [slick] [ In reply to ]
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Tough game to get if you have not given it a chance (could be wrong assuming you have not). It's an incredible challenge. Probably hands down the hardest skill sport I have ever tried. Can also be one of the most gratifying. A shitty round of golf can go by the wayside with one pure stroke. Puring a shot is a thing of beauty.

Golf is a sport with soul. How many professional sports do you know where players call penalties on themselves? None that I know of. Imagine being in the hunt of the U.S. Open, you hit the ball in the pineneedles, and while addressing the ball it moves. That's a penalty - a stroke. All professional golfers step back and call it on themselves. It is exceedingly rare if a professional golfer cheats or does not call a penalty on his or herself. That golfer would be ostracized for eternity. There are still rumors about Vijay Singh cheating once like 20 years ago in a second-rate tourney in Bali - golfers still whisper about it.

Funny all these references about obese golfers. There are obese people everywhere. The question is whether these obese golfers are any damn good. The top golfers now - certainly not all - like Tiger Woods, train quite a bit. Tiger runs 5-6 days weekly and lifts (supposed he can bench over 300). My golfing buddies are exceptional athletes, some are triathletes. Actually, two of the best golfers I know are extraordinary triathletes (top-Ag'ers). It simply is a sport that requires great athleticism.

Ah, but the sport hates me . . . . The lower back just can't take it.
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Re: Tri vs golf [RA] [ In reply to ]
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Oh, please. Golfers in shape?

Phil Mickelson has man boobs. John Daly? The Walrus?

Golfers are soft. Tiger is the exception not the rule.

I have tried it. It's fun to play a round with friends and beers but that's it. Serious golfers have an annoying quality that's hard to define.

Of course they may feel the same way about triathletes. No doubt we are a wierd bunch.
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Re: Tri vs golf [glarson] [ In reply to ]
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I figure every triathlete deserves to spend on triathlon at least the amount of money they would spend on cigarettes if they were a heavy smoker instead.

Let's say I had a nasty habit and smoked two packs a day. That amounts to about a carton and a half a week (we'll round up to account for the fact that I probably have one particularly stressful day a week where I smoke that extra pack...cough, cough).

That comes out to purchasing 78 cartons of smokes a year. What's a carton cost now? 30 bucks?

$30.00 x 78 = $2,340 I think you could have a pretty nice season with that.
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Re: Tri vs golf [slick] [ In reply to ]
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Walrus is old school and over 50. I like Phil's boobs ;). He's got a hot wife too. Phil and Daly have been around for a long time. The younger set are fit athletes. And they are winning. They have no fear. Give these athletes some credit. Tiger is not the exception at all.
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Re: Tri vs golf [RA] [ In reply to ]
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The younger set are fit athletes.

Maybe, but they're not fit because of golfing, but because of their other activities- running, weights, etc. If they didn't do anything except golf, they'd be just as fat as the old schoolers.

Golf is a sport just like darts is.








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Re: Tri vs golf [glarson] [ In reply to ]
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Triathlon is much better than golf, but I'm not sure which is really more expensive. If you are doing local sprints on a bike you already have, then tri is much cheaper. But if you do longer stuff that involves travel the cost can be a lot. My wife and I are both doing IM's next year. In the last 4-years, major triathlon purchases have included (or will include): 2 computrainers; 3 bicycles; fluid trainer; 2 wetsuits; 3 IM entry fees; 6 1/2 IM entry fees; lots of other entry fees; travel to St. Croix, South Africa, Lake Placid twice, Austria, Maryland, Vermont, and Delaware. In addition: googles, new running shoes 4 times per year, bike shoes, helmets, bike shorts, tri shorts, spinervals DVDs, pool membership, winter training clothing, sunglasses, lots more food than I would otherwise be eating, energy drinks, energy gels, energy bars, race wheels, new tires, CO2 cartridges. Triathlon is not cheap.

If you play golf at a public course, a set of clubs, a few 12-packs of golf balls, and $25 green fees at the public course are not close to as expensive as tri.
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Re: Tri vs golf [vitus979] [ In reply to ]
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Oh I agree with that statement in large part. But perhaps these younger golfers are so extraordinary because they are fit from a lifestyle geared around fitness. I think it's a great trend.

I still think professional golf requires greater fitness than most people think. Some tournaments require 36 holes in the heat of the day. Many rounds are played in areas where the temps break 100. When a fraction of a milimeter can be the difference between a 300 yard drive splitting the fairway or one on the fringe, you can see where athleticism is a factor in golf. Not easy to hit shots pure when you are tired.

It ain't triathlon, but it ain't easy either.
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Re: Tri vs golf [RA] [ In reply to ]
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No sale. They are soft. #1 in the world is Vigay Signh (?sp). He's flabby. Mickelson is still pretty young and in the top three. Others I see don't impress me.

Golf is essentially darts or bowling outdoors.
Same skill set which requires eye hand coordination but ZERO physical fitness. One of the biggest debates in the sport was wether carts should be allowed. The aruement against it was that WALKING the course was so physically draining it was an unfair advantage to the cart guy with a crippled leg.

Guts isn't trying to clear a pond with a 2 iron. Guts is racing the ironman while passing a kidney stone or on a broken leg or with one leg or in a wheelchair, or pushing someone else in a wheelchair.

When I hear golf announcers rambling on about "courage" and "guts" I want to puke.
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Re: Tri vs golf [Tom Demerly] [ In reply to ]
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[reply]I don;t play golf becasue I am not skilled at it and find it more of a geriatric type activity.

I do like bowling.[/reply]

TOM!! You are nuts! When I lived in Ann Arbor (not to far from you) I played golf all the time with all kinds of people, not just blue hairs. Detroit is one of the places where golf is truly an inclusive sport, with lots of public courses and, almost as important, lots of daylight in the summer. I accept your comments that you may not be good at it, but everyone has to start somewhere. Borrow a couple of clubs and go to a range this spring and hit some balls. If you tell me you don't like it because it's not fun, then I will sit down and shut up.

Best,
Paul
Golf & Triathlon Nut
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Re: Tri vs golf [slick] [ In reply to ]
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So where is triathlon on this list:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/sportSkills

You are starting to sound like those arrogant folks on that runners forum that lambasted triathletes, essentially calling us second rate athletes.

Clearly triathlon is more physically exhausting than golf. Not even close. But to not also call professional golfers athletes is trivializing one of the most difficult skills sports known.

PS. I posted the above not 'cause I concur with the ESPN analysis, but to point out that at the same time you ridicule one sport, our sport gets left out in the cold.
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Re: Tri vs golf [slick] [ In reply to ]
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"The arguement against it was that WALKING the course was so physically draining it was an unfair advantage to the cart guy with a crippled leg."

Here's a news flash for all those that do not think walking a golf course (or walking for that matter) is exercise.

Walking works different muscles than running.

Even in Ironman shape, my legs are still sore after walking a hilly golf course (courses are a lot hillier than they appear on TV). I would go so far as to say I'm sorer after walking a round of golf than I am after a normal 6 mile run.

If you want another example, my wife has done one of those breast cancer walks (75 miles in three days or something like that). On occasion, I would walk with her while she was training for it. Again, I was more sore the next day than if I had been running a similar distance.

Walking the course does make a difference in golf.

And, I might add, professional golfers have better hand / eye coordination than us mere mortals can dream about - even if some of them are overweight.

Also, look at Warren Sapp or any of the Offensive or Defensive linemen in the NFL. A lot of them look fat but I know I wouldn't want Sapp chasing after me b/c he runs a 4.6 forty.
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Re: Tri vs golf [RA] [ In reply to ]
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Golf is not a real sport any more than is auto racing, bowling, curling or archery. never said it wasn't difficult. Skill wise it is more difficult than triathlon (maybe not swimming) but it requires ZERO fitness.
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Re: Tri vs golf [kac94] [ In reply to ]
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You are SORE after walking 18 holes of golf. Really? I'm not. Bored mayby, but never sore.
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Re: Tri vs golf [Jon] [ In reply to ]
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Triathlon is much better than golf, but I'm not sure which is really more expensive. If you are doing local sprints on a bike you already have, then tri is much cheaper. But if you do longer stuff that involves travel the cost can be a lot. My wife and I are both doing IM's next year. In the last 4-years, major triathlon purchases have included (or will include): 2 computrainers; 3 bicycles; fluid trainer; 2 wetsuits; 3 IM entry fees; 6 1/2 IM entry fees; lots of other entry fees; travel to St. Croix, South Africa, Lake Placid twice, Austria, Maryland, Vermont, and Delaware. In addition: googles, new running shoes 4 times per year, bike shoes, helmets, bike shorts, tri shorts, spinervals DVDs, pool membership, winter training clothing, sunglasses, lots more food than I would otherwise be eating, energy drinks, energy gels, energy bars, race wheels, new tires, CO2 cartridges. Triathlon is not cheap.

If you play golf at a public course, a set of clubs, a few 12-packs of golf balls, and $25 green fees at the public course are not close to as expensive as tri.
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If you push to the extreme - anything can be more expensive then anything else.

I could counter your IM's with golf trips to Hawaii, Ireland or Pebble beach and keep pace with your costs.

The point I tried to make is the 'so called' expensive sport of Triathlon is no more expensive then golf for the average recreational golfer/triathlete.
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Re: Tri vs golf [slick] [ In reply to ]
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Slick, now you have me cracking up. I have a monster compound bow that some of my friends cannot even pull . . . but archery requires no physical fitness. Perhaps you are using hyperbole to make a point, as I doubt anyone that thinks through this issue rationally can say that golf requires ZERO physical fitness. That's assinine.
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Re: Tri vs golf [RA] [ In reply to ]
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Assinine huh.

John Daly, multiple major winner who smokes and drinks like a fiend and is morbidly obese.

I rest my case.
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Re: Tri vs golf [RA] [ In reply to ]
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That's why we see all those petite women in the Olympic archery competitions. Must be freakishly strong.
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Re: Tri vs golf [slick] [ In reply to ]
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I got $100 says John Daly could beat you in a game of basketball right now.

I am assuming basketball is a sport.
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Re: Tri vs golf [slick] [ In reply to ]
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I think gymnasts are the strongest if compared to bodyweight. My sister is 7 and can do 10 full push-ups. I'm not sure I can do that many =P
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Re: Tri vs golf [kac94] [ In reply to ]
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That would be the quickest $100 bucks I ever made.
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Re: Tri vs golf [slick] [ In reply to ]
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Daly is overweight? If you think he is morbidly obese, then you must be anorexic. I know a guy that is about 75 pounds heavier than Daly, but finished Ironman. So what's your point?

PS. Daly won majors over a decade ago. Recall my posts above talked about the younger generation of golfers. While I think Daly is a great golfer and athlete, he will never win another major.
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Re: Tri vs golf [slick] [ In reply to ]
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God I wish I could set that up.
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Re: Tri vs golf [slick] [ In reply to ]
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Slick, he'd kick your arse . . . or beat it if not. ;)

Does anyone else think this guy is "morbidly obese":

http://www.johndaly.com/aboutthelion.asp
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Re: Tri vs golf [RA] [ In reply to ]
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No question. He would easily meet the definition of morbid obesity.
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Re: Tri vs golf [slick] [ In reply to ]
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Hey slick, what's your 'athletic' resume?

Daly also played baseball and football in high school.

I think my money's safe.
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Re: Tri vs golf [RA] [ In reply to ]
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I've played quite a bit of basketball in my day.
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Re: Tri vs golf [slick] [ In reply to ]
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That was very convincing
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Re: Tri vs golf [slick] [ In reply to ]
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No sale. They are soft. #1 in the world is Vigay Signh (?sp). He's flabby.

Flabby is not a word that comes to mind with Vijay Singh. True, we probably won't be seeing him in an IM anytime soon but he isn't flabby.

http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/news/story?id=1761241

1. Always at work
Just because Vijay Singh has taken two weeks off, don't get the idea he is slacking off. Singh recently completed an addition to his home in Ponte Vedra Beach. It's a two-story workout facility, with a weight room downstairs and a cardiovascular area upstairs. "Pretty much all the equipment to carry me through until I'm 50,'' he said. Along with all the optional extras in exercise, Singh gives much of the credit to his trainer, Joey Diovisalvi, who is with him every step of the way -- and then some. "He the backbone. He's pushed me so hard the last two years,'' Singh said recently. "He's in the gym with me in the mornings and in the evenings, every day, two times a day, five or six days a week. When I go home, he's there at home doing the same thing.''





2. No. 1 but trying harder

You won't find Vijay Singh resting on his new-found laurels -- this week or any week

Thursday, September 23, 2004

By Gerry Dulac, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette







FARMINGTON, Pa. -- At 6:40 a.m., Vijay Singh already was hard at work, swinging and sweating and going through the routine that has made him, at age 40, the No. 1 player in the world.

Singh was in the workout room early yesterday morning at the Nemacolin Woodlands Resort & Spa, pumping free weights, gaining swing resistance from elastic bands and using his powerful frame to swing a 12-pound weighted bar as though it were a 60-degree sand wedge. He was doing this under the supervision of his trainer, Joey Diovisalvi, who periodically travels with Singh and, for this week, also will serve as his caddie.

Singh will repeat the same process today, right before he tees off as the most glamorous addition -- the new $66 million Falling Rock clubhouse and lodge notwithstanding -- to the 84 Lumber Classic of Pennsylvania. The player acknowledged among his peers as the hardest worker at the golf course has now become one of the hardest workers away from the golf course.

It's all part of the preparation that has allowed Singh to post the most spectacular year on the PGA Tour since Tiger Woods won nine times and more than $9.1 million in 2000.

"I probably do a lot more different work for golf in the gym now," Singh said. "I do more work in the gym to improve my golf swing -- let's put it this way, to strengthen my golf swing -- so I'm prepared when I come to a golf tournament. I don't want to come to a golf tournament and find out if I'm going to play well or not. I come here ready. That's what I do."

For the past two years, nobody has done it better.

Singh has won seven tournaments this season, including four of the past five he has entered, a Tiger-esque streak that has propelled him past Woods as the top-ranked player in the world. He is No. 1 on the money list with $8,699,566 and needs $488,756 to surpass Woods' record-setting earnings of $9,188,321 in 2000, something Singh could do with a victory at Mystic Rock.

What's more, he has won 11 times in the past two seasons, the most since Woods won 17 times in 1999 and 2000. Before that, the previous player to win more tournaments than Singh in a two-year period was Tom Watson, who won 12 times in 1979 and 1980.

"I'm enjoying the ride right now," Singh said. "I'm feeling really confident in my game. I'm really looking forward to going out there and performing well again."

Singh hasn't exactly been beating weak fields, either. In his past four victories, he beat John Daly by a stroke to win the Buick Open, won a three-hole playoff at the PGA Championship for his third major title, beat Woods in a head-to-head duel at the Deutsche Bank Championship and survived a playoff against Mike Weir to win the Canadian Open.

His victory in the Deutsche Bank Championship ended Woods' 256-week rein as the world's No. 1 player. Now Singh, a native of Fiji, wants to see how long he can stay there.

"I think it's hard to stay on top," Singh said. "It's not easy, but it's easier to get on top and the hardest thing is to stay up there. If I don't win golf tournaments, I'm going to get kicked off that spot. My wife asked me the other day -- what is your goal for next year? My goal is to go out there and win golf tournaments.

"It's a difficult task and I'm all up for it. I'm playing well and feeling good and I think I can win every time I tee it up. So if you have that kind of feeling, you should just go ahead and ride it."

The people who run the 84 Lumber Classic were salivating at the possibility of a showdown for No. 1 between Singh and Woods, something that appeared to be reality just two days ago. But Woods withdrew from the event, citing mental exhaustion, leaving Singh as the marquee player in an event that features 19 of the top 30 money winners on the PGA Tour.

Singh's participation in the tournament was ensured for at least the next couple of years after he signed a sponsorship deal yesterday with 84 Lumber Co. As part of the arrangement, he will wear the company's logo on the side of his visor and make personal appearances for the lumber retailer.

"I'm not really focusing on individual players," Singh said. "My goal is to go out there and try to play the best I can and see if I can win the golf tournament. I think that's everybody's goal. It doesn't matter who it is. I think once you move the focus away, you really just are dealing with something difficult. You're not going to focus on what you really want to do."

And nobody's been doing than better than Singh.
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Re: Tri vs golf [kac94] [ In reply to ]
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I played Division I lacrosse in college and was the leading scorer on the team senior year and was 1st team all Ivy.

In high school played varsity lacrosse and soccer.

Qualified for Hawaii 3 times. Finished 27th in IMWisco at age 40 2004.

Alpine ski raced.

Played tons of basketball, tennis, softball, and ...... yes.... golf
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Re: Tri vs golf [RA] [ In reply to ]
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Slick, he'd kick your arse . . . or beat it if not. ;)

Does anyone else think this guy is "morbidly obese":

http://www.johndaly.com/aboutthelion.asp


No; he's just big boned! ;-)

Slick is just playing you guys for suckers.

Of course golf requires fitness. So does driving a truck. These are different kinds of fitness than required by triathlon. Powerlifters are hardly lean machines, yet once again, that's another form of fitness.

BTW, ESPN's analysis seems reasonable. I'd slot triathlon in there where they insert distance cycling (essentially the same thing, with less demand on power, thus I'd be open to an even lower slot).

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Re: Tri vs golf [LarryP] [ In reply to ]
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He looks flabby. Maybe it's just the camera. They say it adds 10lbs.
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Re: Tri vs golf [slick] [ In reply to ]
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And do you honestly think that if Daly changed his lifestyle, he couldn't be first team all Ivy at _____ fill in the sport?
(btw, I went to Dartmouth so I'm not dissing the Ivy league).

Daly, at one time, was ranked in the top 5 in the WORLD. That means he was better at golf than 3 billion people.

Just b/c someone is overweight does not mean they are not a good athlete.
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Re: Tri vs golf [Wolfwood] [ In reply to ]
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Wolfie, the Lake Tahoe Marathon Festival has added a round of high speed golf to their list of races. I think it's up to 10 races in 8 days. You can check them out at http://www.laketahoemarathon.com/ If you go, bring your wetsuite, bicycles and runing shoes. You'll have a great week.

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Re: Tri vs golf [kac94] [ In reply to ]
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And do you honestly think that if Daly changed his lifestyle, he couldn't be first team all Ivy at _____ fill in the sport?
(btw, I went to Dartmouth so I'm not dissing the Ivy league).

Daly, at one time, was ranked in the top 5 in the WORLD. That means he was better at golf than 3 billion people.

Just b/c someone is overweight does not mean they are not a good athlete.


Hey, I went to Dartmouth too.

I'm not saying Daly isn't a great golfer, he is. I just don't consider golfers athletes any more than NASCAR drivers. They have incredible skills in their respective sports but I don't consider that great athleticism.

Daly could not compete with me or any of the other members of this forum in athletic events which require any amount of stamina and agility ie basketball, soccer, lacrosse, hockey, ...etc. He'd be out of breath and puking in 5 minutes or less. That's not a "great athlete". I'd go around him time and again.



Micheal Jordan, Wayne Gretsky, Andre Agassi, ....those are great athletes. They have eye hand coordination stamina and agility. That's how I define the term. You may define it differently.



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Re: Tri vs golf [glarson] [ In reply to ]
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excellent comparison. both are sports that you can do well into your older years. my dad is 75, plays golf 5x per week and walks 18 holes. triathletes can compete at 75, too.

but, golf is harder. typically, triathletes take up the sport in what - their 20's or 30's? the later you start to play golf, the harder it is to be very good at it.

regarding fitness, lots of golfers look fat and out of shape. lots are!! however, i saw a picture of the 2004 UCLA men's golf team. each guy is ripped, some look like football condition. but, guys like stadler and mickelson trade skills for fitness, because they started when they were 2 years old.
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Re: Tri vs golf [slick] [ In reply to ]
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I think we're debating two different things : Being in shape vs being athletic.

Speaking of athletics, I don't know if you've seen the petition to have the Dean of Admissions step down at Dartmouth b/c of what he said about the football team (and football players in general). If you haven't, and want to, pm me and I will send it to you.

How can you walk the Hanover golf course and not be sore? You must be part goat.
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Re: Tri vs golf [kac94] [ In reply to ]
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Yeah. probably got a litle goat in me.
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Re: Tri vs golf [slick] [ In reply to ]
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I don't think Daly could get in to an Ivy. Big ol' boy is a highly skilled athlete, however.

I used to play a decent amount of golf before I got into this stuff. I've spent alot of time fighting my way through the water (hard to call what I do swimming), thinking about the similarities between swimming and golfing. You get very conflicting technical advice on both, both activities kind of inexplicably click sometimes, whole body timed rhythmic body motion key to both...
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Re: Tri vs golf [mr. mike] [ In reply to ]
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How about the top bowlers? Are they great athletes too?
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