I switched from Nike Pegasus Turbo to Saucony Endorphin Speed at the end of the summer. I really liked the Pegasus Turbo and wasn’t sure which shoe to replace it with, but I now prefer the Endorphin Speed.

Same boat here. Nike Peg Turbo 2 was my main training shoe until Nike discontinued it. So I started using the Endorphin Speed as my main training shoe based on recs from people here and on letsrun as a good Turbo replacement. However I am the opposite and greatly preferred the Turbo

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That’s me. Went from Hoka to endorphin for off-season trial
Nike were too narrow

I still have a couple of pairs of the Hoka Rincon for easy miles.

I’ve switched to the Endorphin Speed when I want to do a little bit faster work. I’ll probably switch to the Speeds full time as long as I can find older generations at a discount. I find the Speeds comfortable even at longer distances…once the exclusive purview of the Hoka line.

I think Hoka could win back some of my business if they put a nylon plate (like the Speeds) in a lighter weight offering like the discontinued Nepali…don’t know why they got rid of that shoe.

Summer swapped from the Nike Pegasus/Structure line to the Saucony Endorphin Shift first, then we just picked up a pair of the original Endorphin Pros for $100 to serve as a training shoe. I kind of forget why she wanted to swap away from Nike to begin with but we went into a local running shoe store to try them on and they felt amazing to her. I'll probably grab a pair of speeds for myself at some point as well based on all the reviews I've read on them.

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Switched from Asics Nimbus to Saucony, I tried all in the Endorphin series and actually settled on the Ride for training and Endorphin Pro for racing.

Your suspicions are spot on.

Went from Nike to saucony endorphin speed. I also have the endorphin pro, but the speeds are a special shoe.

Brooks Adrenaline to Saucony Guide

From what I see, Nike came out with the first proven plated shoes that worked, saucony was the quickest to make their carbon copy that works.... being the bad history of Nike moral-wise, many athletes jumped on saucony to not feel morally wrong using Nike's just to be competitive.

Anybody knows what is the durometer value of the PEBA foam of Saucony Endorphin Speed / Pro ?

Trying to evaluate if I could really use them, as they seems interesting, efficient and durable, but maybe a bit firm for me. It is difficult to evaluate from a short run in a shop or on a treadmill. So I want to put them in my "Frontfoot Softness Score" calculator based on the data from different foam layers.... and need durometer value of their version of PEBA :-)

That may have something to do with it. Honestly, it came down to price and durability for me. Picked up the endorphin speed for $110 and the endorphin pro for $100. I’m expecting to get 400+ miles out of each. The “speedroll” feature of the endorphin lineup is noticeable as well.

The Endorphin line rocks. The Shift is comfortable and the Speed is perfect for tempo, quality work and when I want to feel poppy. I liked the Pro but like the NB RC Elite2 a lot more and my last two 70.3 runs in them were superb. The Clifton still makes the rotation and I’m waiting to break out the Mach 4. Golden Age of running shoes.

I'm currently in the Endorphin Pro.
Previously I ran in the Nike Zoom Fly 3. Early 2021 I tried the Saucony Endorphin Speed, and liked it. Wanted to try a carbon plate and PeBax super shoe, but I'm cheap and $200+ was really more than I was willing to spend. When the Endorphin Pro started going on sale, I tried it, liked it a lot, and have been using it ever since. On my second pair now, with a third in the closet for later.
I am thinking about whether or not I should get something else that is more flexible for some training runs, specifically wondering if you lose something only running in shoes with plates. I don't tend to rotate shoes, though I used to have some flats for shorter/faster races.

was a long-time asics wearer, and then switched over to saucony as i was looking for less drop and a different ride. now i'm peregrine on the trails and kinvara on the road. when i was curious to try out a pair of 'supershoes,' going for the endorphin was a no-brainer. i knew it would fit and the price was right.

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For sure it is the Endorphin line. Unlike most, I’m not a fan of the Shift, they give me numb toes, the Speed is fine but Pro is just great.
Prefer the fitst gen over the second due to the different upper. But have ariund 5 or 6 of the Pro’s, 2 Speed’s and 2 Shift’s.
Looking on the 3rd gen. Endorphin line the are going to take a piece of the Hoka pie as well.

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I run 30 miles per week consistently and am in my 60s. I alternate the Mizuno Wave Horizon which are heavy durable shoes and in 2021 added the New Balance More which are lighter and are like strapping marshmallows to my feet. I like them both equally for different reasons. The Mizuno for the firmness and durability and NB for the cushioning. I run two consecutive days in the same shoe then switch. Both are easily obtainable at significantly less than full price, and I have a pair of each on the shelf ready to go for 2022.

Still in ASICS. Got a REALLY good deal a couple years ago. Almost through them all - might have to try something new...

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Nike Pegasus and Peg Trail 3 and infinity react
Saucony Endorphin Speed
New Balance Rebel v2 and Fuelcell TC and Propel
Asics Magic Speed
Adidas Adios Pro (mostly race)
Puma Deviate Nitro

I am agnostic to brands increasingly - just retired some skechers as well. But now I have 5 shoes with some sort of carbon in them...

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I went from the Mizuno Rider to the Saucony Endorphin Speed.

It was just an experiment to start with but I really like how the shoe rolls so I bought another pair. Another shoe that is taking some of my running load is the Asics Novablast. Like the Endorphin, it rolls very well and is easy to run in.

A while ago I asked what people thought of the Saucony Shift, nobody really seemed to love it so I figured I'd wait a generation or two and ask again.

I might be one of them. I am training on Hoka Carbon X2 and Rocket X but taking advantage of a 20% Black Friday discount got the Endorphin Speed 2 yesterday after all the positive reviews I have read. I'm happy with the Hokas but even though I like the fit but they do not feel very fast to me. Will report back...

Went from Pegasus 37 to Endorphin Speed. Got last years model on sale + medical discount for under 100 bucks. Loved the first pair so bought two more. So it’s my daily, use the Nike Air Zoom Tempo Next % for speed work/long race pace runs.

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I loved the early versions of the kinvara, and also the A type line for shorter stuff, but had moved away from Saucony to skechers and hoka (mainly the razor, ride 8/9, and rincon). Then tried the Endorphin speed last year and wow, what a great shoe. Great for tempo, intervals, and racing. Thought I'd try the Nike hype train and got a Vaporfly next 2, but sold it on after two runs. For me it was too soft and unstable, and foresaw injury.

Durability of the endorphin speed is fantastic, and the upper is one of the best I've used sockless.

I'm done with hoka until they update their foam. For eva its good, but then you run in something livelier like pebax or hyperburst and realise they are at risk of getting left behind

Changed from Newton to Saucony Endorphin Pro this past year. Have been in newtons since 2008. The Endorphins allowed my 53 year old legs run again like I haven’t in a long time.

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I’m using the Saucony Endorphin Speed’s for long or fast runs. In general, my legs aren’t as tired afterwards, but I do feel some hamstring tightness.
Most of my runs are in minimalist Merrell’s, so this is a big change for me.

They definitely last longer than Nikes and Hokas. They have this thin plastic/rubber thing on the bottom sole and they are light and sturdy. It seems like everyone has Saucony Speed or Pro. I also own Pro 1 & 2 and they are really comfortable. I want to buy Pro 1 Mutant White, but they are impossible to find. All gone I guess. They are just so comfortable and easy to run. I still get my PRs with Nikes though.

Agree on durability. I have the Speed with 200km+ and the rubber just looks dirty but shows zero wear. I expect them to easily last 600km+.

Endorphin Speed replaced a pair of Zoom Fly 2 as a fast training shoe. The Speeds feel faster, softer, and more comfortable.

My wife recently switched to the Endorphin Shift as her long day shoe, and loves them so far.

My 2021 rotation:
- Endorphin Speed for Interval/tempo days. They don't feel quite as fast as the Next% but they are also far more comfortable, stable, cheaper, and will last long enough to be used in training.
- Asics Novablast for tempo/easy days. Their foam is really nice. Very forgiving but the shoes still feel fast enough for any kind of workout, from tempo days to easy or even long.
- Asics GlideRide for long days. Most comfortable shoe I've ever worn without feeling slow. Even on 50km/30mi days there is absolutely zero discomfort. Maximal cushion but has a rocker shape for toe off that makes it feel quicker than it should (for a cushioned long run shoe) even the upper is super padded everywhere, making it feel like a pillow.
- Next% for racing. They aren't very stable or long lasting but holy smokes they are fast. Did a 10k yesterday and held an even pace that is normally challenging for a few km in "regular" shoes for me (3:45k/6:00mi)

My 2022 rotation purchased this weekend (always replace all shoes on Black Friday deals):
- Endorphin Speed 2 for interval/tempo/easy days. I like to experiment and change shoes up, but these are just too good leave out.
- Tempo Next% for interval/tempo/easy days. They felt very fast in store and squishy stack is beyond allowable max by World Athletics. 2022 will be a high mileage year and I want to BQ, so this shoe seemed like a good pick for fast/long training at 86kg/190lb. Had a hard time chosing between these, the Novablast 2 (bit slower), and Magic Speed (bit firm).
- Probably Glideride 2 for long days if I can try them on. They didn't have my size and I heard v2 got firmer, so I still need to try it before committing. Since I like the foam in the Speeds, I tried on the Triumph 19 and those feel pretty nice, too. Doesn't roll or have quite the cushion of the v1 Glideride, though.
- Metaspeed Sky for racing. Felt similar to Next% in terms of propulsion but with far more stability, so I will give these a try.

The foam preferences are greatly related to weight and pace, imo. I'm probably on the "heavier" side of the spectrum, at least for the paces I run. Because I'm heavier, I like cushion. But also because I'm heavier I can compress shoes more than a lighter runner. React foam without a place feels great to me, but some lighter runners will say it's too firm. Regarding pace, Next% is a great example of a shoe that feels odd at 4:30km/7:30mi or slower, but turns into magic fuel at 3:45km/6:00mi pace.

Long lasting. Super competitive on price. The Speed2 is a GREAT shoe. Their carbon plated Endorphin Pro2 is $100CAN less than Nike Alpha and a great shoe.

Performance wise here is a great article.

https://www.outsideonline.com/...t-vaporflys-saucony/

I very rarely ran in Saucony until the Endorphin series release.

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Need a bit of stability/control and for the past few years have trained on Brooks Ravenna and raced on Saucony Fastwitch. Didn't want to be left behind in the whole supershoe thing so switched to the Endorphin Shift as a trainer with a mind to race in the Endorphin Pro. Injury derailed my running season so never got around to running fast. Am looking at the Asics shoes as a racer next year, but was happy with the feel of the Endorphin Shifts for training. Can't run with them on treadmill though... Feels too weird

I tried the Shift first and fell in love with it after trying one or two of the Nike's and found them to be really squishy at slower speeds and unstable.That led me to the Guide, and then I saw the Speed on sale and picked them up and loved them too, which led to try the Kinvara 12 which then led to two pairs of those. Also got the Metaracer on a crazy sale just to try something different ....also a great shoe but I am pretty much all in on the Endorphin line. Great shoes and really durable.

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I went all in on Saucony because of their eco-conscious choices. I wear their vegan Jazz shoes and have three pair of shoes for training. I can't speak for performance comparisons - I just liked the company.

I'll be intrigued when other companies come out with carbon neutral shoes as well.

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From Altra Escalante to the Endorphin Speed. I know ... big switch. The cushion of the sole makes it feel like I can run all day in a light weight shoe and the propulsion of the Speed Roll just makes me run faster. I tried Nike Vaporfly and Hoka CarbonX but both were too narrow.

I switched to endorphin speeds from Hoka Clinton's and Brooks launches for faster runs. For me they are super comfortable and quick, I feel like they save 40 seconds a mile at the same intensity. They like to go fast. I have a pair of Pros too that I use for races. They are not as comfortable as the Speeds but seem fast.

long time asics runner, Kayano, noosa tri 11, 12, DS...
Switched to Endorphin pro for racing and loved it and then bough the shift for the easier tempo runs. As much as I love the Pro for racing, I am thinking of the new asics Sky if it offers more stability

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Slowtwitchers? Yeah, it's probably the Endorphin line-up that's done it.

That said, Saucony's meat and potatoes line up (Ride, Guide, Triumph, Kinvara) have been crushing it. And unlike a lot of other companies right now...actually have availability. That's going to help. We're talking about a four to six month gap in futures orders and no at-once availability from a lot of brands. (So, Slowtwitchers: if you like a shoe right now and you're likely to need another one in the next six months, run to your local run shop and get it now.)

I've got two reviews of them coming: Endorphin Pro 2, and the new Freedom.

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Allegedly, 25.5 according to another review site.

That seems off. I'll see if I can get an answer from them directly, but it'll likely take a while to get there.

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I moved from ON CloudFllow which I had worn for several years to Saucony Endorphin Speed, but also rotate with New Balance Rebels. Both new shoes are way more comfortable to run in than any ON shoe I've tried.

I find I cannot wear the Endorphins for every run or soleus/calves get too tight. Use them mainly for faster runs and racing. Use the rebels the rest of the time.

I still do my road training in bondi's; i get last year's model on sale. at 190 lbs, my joints need the extra cush. saucony endorphin speed for faster road training, and for all racing.

I did pick up the Saucony endorphin speed since so many people rave about it. I still wear my new balance for long steady runs. Any type of speed work I wear the Saucony.

After three knee surgeries, I got back into running with the Newton Kismet to teach myself to forefoot strike and minimize knee pain. After doing that for a couple of years, I feel pretty good and switched to the Endorphin Speed this summer.

Always been rotating brands and models with a preference for Saucony and Brooks. The last two years ish, I've used mostly the Hyperion elite and tempo and the endorphin pro. With an occasional short run in adidas takumi sen.

I used Brooks Pure Flows in the past. Tried the Newtons for a bit a few years back. Jumped on the Hoke train. Had Saucony, Sketchers, Zoot, and Nike mixed in for a bit.

Ultimately, I hated the Cliftons and only did 80-100 miles in mine before realizing they weren't for me, but I did go through a few high mileage pairs of Bondis. I used the bondi as my long day trainers and used a pair of Kinvaras for me speed work stuff. I eventually tried a pair of the Endorphin Pros and loved them. This was pretty recent. I need to replace my last pair of Bondis and I will likely try the Shift. I also need to replace my Kinvaras, so I will probably get another pair of them, but also try the endorphin speed.

I fear if losing out on some of the brand variety will increase my risk of injury. I've been fortunate enough to have abstained from any running related injuries over the years and maybe the brand variety has always contributed to that.

I switched to Saucony for training after I got a pair of Endorphin Pros to use as my racing shoes last year. So I picked up a couple of pairs of Saucony to train in to keep my training shoes similar to my racing shoes.

Thanks

Apparently FuelCell foam of the Rebel v2 is around 25, while FuelCell of the RC Elite 2 is around 22.

Clifton 8 CMEVA seems to be around durometer 32.

Durometer 25 will put the Speed / Pro foam at the same durometer value as the Rebel v2, with a higher stack, so with presence of the plate, it shall be perceived same "forefoot softness" (not stifness) than the Rebel v2 and Clifton 8. This is not what I heard (I heard it was kind of firmer), but have no experience of this shoes (except Clifton 8)

Anyone can confirm if Endorphin Speed frontfoot is same/softer/firmer than Rebel v2 / Clifton 8 ?

It definitely rides firmer than a Clifton in the forefoot.

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Yup. Switched to Endorphin Speed Pro for all running.

Many brands are starting to improve their supply chains. Check out Asics Earth Day shoes, such as the Glideride. A reviewer said the upper in the Metaspeed Sky is also 100% recycled. I know Nike and Adidas are also increasing their recycled and natural fiber contents.

I already had a pair of Kinvaras in the rotation. I added the Endorphin Pro for a long race shoe (Nikes are good up to 5k but were doing weird things to my ITs past that). I just added two pairs of Endorphin Speeds - one that is water resistant for rain/ snow/ slush and one that is high vis for dark running.

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I originally began my real racing career with the original Saucony Kinvara, and was a Kinvara and Virrata user for several years. I then switched to Hoka, absolutely loving the Clifton 1, then the 2. After that the Clifton went to hell. I eventually found a few other Hoka models similar to the original Clifton, and when the Clifton 1 was reissued, bought around 7 pairs. Last year I used my REI dividend on a pair of the Speeds, and haven't looked back since.

I'm on my fourth pair, of Speeds and also have a pair of the Pros for faster/track days. I'm definitely a Saucony ---> Hoka ---> Saucony convert. Race day is in the Next%, but the Endorphin Speed is magical in some way. It makes easy runs feel comfy and super easy, but they come alive at faster paces and feel great at virtually every pace. I'm almost tempted to test out the Speeds in a race, as I don't feel they would be much slower than the Pro or even Next%.

I'm looking forward to getting some of the Speed 2's when the 3 comes out. Hopefully price will be down around the $100 mark.

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I chose Nike in the survey but own Saucony too. My current crop of active shoes in my rotation:

Nike VaporFly - BEST shoe that I’ve ever run in
Nike Pegasus - good shoes
Nike Zoom Fly 3 - good shoes
Nike Tempo Next % - not my favorite

Saucony Endorphin Pro - good shoes but not as good as VaporFly
Saucony Endorphin Speed - good shoes, better than the Pegasus or Zoom Fly 3

Adidas Prime X - I know that they look like clown shoes, but feel AMAZING
Adidas Boston 9 - by far the best shoe value that I own. Cheap, fast and comfortable

My trend of all my shoes are neutral with 8 mm ramp or more. I can’t run in low ramp shoes like Hoka because they’ll aggravate my Achilles and I’ll be limping for a couple days.

Was Nike Zoomfly/Vaporfly but switched over to Endorphin Speed/Pro. Pro has been a fantastic race shoe, I really like how its a bit firmer and more stable than the Vaporfly. Don't get the love for the Speed, its a solid shoe but it wasn't better than the Zoomfly. However the Endorphin Shift has been the revelation of the line for me. It's a soft comfortable shoe that still is quick.

I went the other way this year, from Saucony (Kinvara) to New Balance (FuelCell Rebel2). Couldn't be more happier with the New Balance, a great shoe.

I am one of them.

Was a kinvara and peregrine user in 018, have switched back to them. Also bought the Pro recently.

Question for you (if i may): really appreciated your review on the Shift. Any Intel on the speed? My first reaction of the Pro is that it was not as stable as i wanted... Gave me a touch of medial knee discomfort

A bit of a long answer for me... but short answer is used to be zero drop Altra shoe line person and I'm currently training in the Endorphin Pro.

Long answer is I came up lame after a track workout with plantar fasciitis. Didn't run for months and came back running in the Nike Vaporfly as a training shoe. In addition to the performance the soles on these super shoes are incredible in terms of cushion. I snagged a pair of Alphafly's to race in but honestly for me they're not that great compared to the Vaporfly. The Vaporfly isn't a shoe I can get on very quickly so not a good race option and the uppers on the Nike's tear the hell out of my feet. Their longevity isn't that great either, once the sole goes the foam underneath almost evaporates.

Enter the Endorphin Pro mid-summer on clearance. The upper is comfortable, shoe is comfortable and well cushioned. It also has the bouncy foam and plate so I may also make it my racing shoe. I run as good in them as I do the Vaporfly. Longevity is great as well, some of the early pop is gone but still cushioned and sole still in great shape after 400'sh miles.

Switched from the nike trainers, the peg's, zoom's, etc., to Saucony endorphin speed. The speed is hands down the best, lightest, softest trainer I have ever used. They are good at slow and tempo paces. I race in the Nike Alphafly, Saucony isn't close to that shoe, but for training the endorphin speed is the real deal.

The Hoka's are ok they just feel clunky and a tad wide for my foot.

Agreed; the Endorphin series simply is amazing. I was skeptical but put on the Endorphin Shift in the store to give it a try. 3 strides and I bought it. Same with the original Pro and then the Speed. I equate running with the Pro versus a "normal" shoe as similar to swimming with and without a wetsuit. I gave up my Salmings, Brooks Hyperion, Mizuno Wave Inspire and went all in on Endorphin series and bought 10 pair of the various models. Hokas have never fit me well and the cushioning is far too cushy and non responsive for my taste. Every time I run in any of them I am amazed at how cushioned they all are in comparison to our old days of racing shoes (flats). Those old Nike Duelists were crazy light, but painful feet were the costs the next day. The new breed of shoes is quite welcome to this old guy.

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Switched from Nike Pegasus to the Endorphin Shift about 1 year ago. I was back buying to the Pegasus 34 because I didn't like the newer versions. Evenutally I tried a move to the Valermo and ran into some plantar fasciitis issues. Saw a lot of recommendations for the Shift to help with PF. The Shift has that right level of stiffness and cushion, that seems to keep the the PF issues away for me.

Was in Sketchers, decided I wanted to change it up after 3 pair.
Went into the store and tried every brand they had. Settled on the mid tier endorphins. I liked one other pair better (wish I could remember which) but were much more expensive than the endorphin

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I did Turkey Trot 8 mile run on Thanksgiving and total 13,000 people showed up. 5,000 people did 5k and 8,000 did 8 miles. I was surprised to see so many people running with Sauconys. Nike dominated the field when they first released Vaporflys but I can tell it’s definitely more diverse now. I ran with Alphafly and got PR. They are still the best for me.

Went from Brooks to Hoka Clifton's but after the 2 they just kept getting heavie, really liked the 2 hated every version afterwards. I picked up the NB Beacons as read a review comparing to the Clifton 1 and think they are great shoe and still use for some easy runs.
I was actually using the Beacon's as my tempo/race shoe and first switched to Saucony with the Freedoms as I was looking for something I could wear without socks. Then last summer I tried the Speeds and didn't look back. They just felt so light and fast and really easy to run in. I used them for tempo/speed and then picked up the Pro in the summer when they went on sale and they became my race shoe with the Speed for almost everything else.

I actually went from kinvara to shift for long slow and easy runs. I like them ! Hoka stack without hoka soft mush. Good cushioning without feeling your running through long grass.

Switched from Zoom Fly to Endorphin Speed. Before Zoom Fly I used the Saucony Triumph but somewhere along the way, that shoe got heavy and tight in the toe box (last iteration of ISO Fit and after). I have used the Endorphin Pro a bunch and tried the Shift. The Shift is fine, but I didn't feel any energy return. Its comfortable enough and does not feel overbuilt. The Pro is firm, and I am not a fan of thin uppers. The tongue would cut me up going sockless. Switched to the Speed and it seems to work pretty well for everything.

Amazing how little wear the shoes show.

Thanks, that helps

I switched from Newton Gravity & Distance S to the Saucony Endorphin Speed finding my legs felt so much better when running on concrete. I didn't finish the runs feeling beat up. I've used Newtons since 2008 and loved them, but as time marched with age, my quads really began to feel tired, so on the recommendation of Bobby McGee, I made the change in mid 2021 and am really enjoying running in them.

So I guess we will see them fall next year as so many of you came from the Pegasus turbo 2 and Nike just announced they are making a no 3

10 years of Saucony Kinvaras followed by 3 years of Adidas Boston 8 (the best version). Now back to Saucony with the Triumph 18 for higher mileage and Boston 8 for faster stuff. My wallet and my personal goals don't align with supershoes ;)

If the Turbo 3 came right after the 2, I'd probably have gotten it. But now that I've worn the Speed, I wouldn't go back to he Turbo anymore because in the meantime I realized it's a much better shoe.

I'm not surprised it gets so much critical acclaim. While the Nike Next% feels weird and fast, the Speed just feels like a regular comfortable shoe. Then when I pick up the pace I'm going faster than it feels because it feels like a normal shoe. At the same effort level it plays mind tricks on me. I'm thinking it's 15-30 sec slower than Next% but the miles click by at nearly the same pace.

I have an EXTRA WIDE foot and run a 19 minute 5k so I have trouble finding shoes I really like. But over the last few years I have fallen into a reliable shoe rotation. I was always a Saucony guy as their Ride series came in wide and they just fit me really well. I love the 6,7 and 8 versions. 9 and 10 they changed the fit and I couldn't shove my flipper into them anymore so I really had to expand my horizons. With the Ride ISO line the fit became useable again for me so I've been back in them for a while now. I do use a pretty large range of shoes now days though from when I lost the Ride as a shoe; I promised myself I wouldn't be like other commenters here and stockpile the only shoe that fits and absolutely freak out when I need something new.

Saucony Ride Wide: Tuesday, Thursday hour runs with some up-tempo intervals ranging from 1-10 minutes.
Mizuno Waverider Wide: M,W,F easy ass treadmill runs off the bike. These shoes only see the treadmill.
Brooks Ghost Wide: Saturday long run
Brooks Launch Wide: Racing. The closest thing I can get to a minimalist shoe that fits.
New Balance Leadville Extra Wide: Fun in the dirt.

I would love to try the super shoes and racing flats and other minimalist style speed shoes but I just cant fit into them. It really makes me sad. We're a childless family so I have money to burn on stupid shit like super shoes... but alas.

Worth noting I used the Nike Pegasus 35 Extra Wide and really liked it so I know at the absolute upper range of fit I can make it into those skinny Nike shoes.

Hi all,

I purchased a pair of Endorphin Pro's about 3 weeks ago. I've just a handful of runs in them and alternate with my current Skechers razor 3's and Skechers Go run 7's. I put in around 30 to 40 km per week in addition to my other training. I also barefoot run on the beach couple times a week for 2 or 3km. I'm into maintenance phase right now and saw these on sale, so figured I'd see what the hype was about. Well, as I run mostly in a "flexible" shoe (or barefoot) these felt VERY different. I read through how these shoes are pretty rigid, but help in terms of "rebound".
After one run in partcular, I had a small "strain" in the lateral muscles (I know there's a good few there) of my foot, but was ok in a few hours after I released that area in addition to the rest of the foot muscles. Is this a faster shoe? Not sure as I'm currently not doing any structured speed/track work other than a few "pick-ups" peppered in my BF sessions. However, when I went to put a couple efforts in while wearing these, it seemed a bit quicker (placebo?)

I'm wondering if anyone out there is going back and forth from a low profile flexible soled shoe to something with a plate throughout the sole? Thanks ahead of time for your input and Happy 2022!!!

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I've gone from preferring Saucony but using a mix (alternating Hurricanes with Asics Kayano for training with an occasional NB or something else) to only using Saucony.

i have some Endorphin Speeds for fast runs - and they are great. For me, the times for different sessions suggest they are worth a few seconds per mile (maybe 5 for me)....but i also like the bounce, weight transfer and impact on how i run. i feel like i am running younger.

i also have some Hurricanes and a Guides for most of my running and i think Saucony have made changes to the shape of the sole based on what they learnt while developing the Endorphin series. The weight transfer just feels better than with older versions. Not sure if it is the curvature of the sole, or the EVA or both, but definitely better.

Since we are already discussing Saucony, I’m going to piggy back on it. I made the switch from Adidas Boston’s to Adidas Adizero Pro. They caused me some Achilles problems so I decided to try the Speeds - love them (have three pair). Been working through my Achilles issues fairly successfully but then decided to go ahead and try out the Speed 2. Wore them for a walk around the neighborhood for Halloween and could barely walk the next day. Big time Achilles flair up. Continued running in the others and have my manageable pain. Wore the Speed 2’s again around the house last week and again, same thing - Could barely walk.

Anyone else tried the Speed 2 and have issues? I thought the change was only to the upper? I didn’t really notice a big change to the heel. I really want to continue with this shoe but can’t do it like this.

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I used to do Hoka, but my husband and I switched to endorphin pro for racing. He's doing the speed for training, and I switch between the Topo Zephyr and Altra Rivera (I had morton's Neuroma, but the wider toe box on both of those really helps)

Hoka-> Saucony.

Grabbed Speed's on the cheap and this is now my go-to pavement shoe. The amount of recovery I need from miles in these shoes is shockingly low.

Pro's for races, on the fence about if I should just stick w/Speeds or not as the full plate might be a shade much for me for 70.3 racing.

I also converted most of my run training to Sauconny's Endorphin Speeds. I was using Brooks Ghost before (for the 12mm toe/heel drop and alleviate some issues).

They (the Speeds) just feels great to me, a combination of everything I need:
- large toe box
- lightweight (for a training shoe)
- Good cushion/energy feedback
- Still a decent amount of Toe/Heel drop

Perfect mix. For racing, I tried the Pro's but I do not like them as much, and even suspect they gave me some issues. I'd rather stick with the Nike VaporFly Next%. While I feel the Pro's are as fast, they feel harsher and for longer races I feel the Nike's will do better on the back half of a 70.3 or IM run.

Note: I would also add that of my local Tri Training group here, many people turned from something else to the Sauconny Endorphin Speed's for training too!

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T. Guertin / Spocket

I went from triumph and glide to hoka Clifton and carbon blade x (before Frodo) and then proceeded to never look back