Sam Long 2 minutes back of Lionel after the swim...can't be happy about that.

EDIT: Sanders now riding 3rd according to Talbot.

Seems Sam may have swam himself straight out of the race. Almost two full minutes behind sanders

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LS already back in 4th leading the big chase group!

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Tracker shows Sanders riding 41 mph, is that right?

When did Lionel become the yardstick for swim performance? If 2020/21 was already screwed up, this takes it to waaaay new level!!!!

Sanders leading 2nd pack in the swim! Oh boy I'd his swim improves enough to hangon to the back of the first pack (which would probably be 2nd pack at Kona)

This was just corrected to 12.5 miles, no GSM at 15 miles so the team had to move the split back a few miles!!

Yes Sanders is flying!!!

Yes I’m seeing those insane speeds across the board on the first bike split. Tailwind or short, or even some KM/miles cock up?

Corrected now, timing team had to move wires because of bad GSM at 15 miles!!!

Sam hasn't raced since December at Daytona. It's probably of some benefit to Sanders and others who more recently raced Challenge Miami for this race.

Even with that correction, they are still flying at 35 mph!

Hey Marc is there no facebook livestream?

Insane speeds...how's the wind on the course?

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Talbot update: Sanders now 55 secs back on the bike. Hanson group 1:20 back.

Talbot update: Sanders just made the pass on Metz for second place.

Dev, not for this event, I will check with Ironman they usually publish dates for LIVE events a while in advance but with everything going on right now its hard to predict:

https://www.ironman.com/live will eventually have the list of FB watch events.... For now The tracker is the best way to keep tab, they should hit the turn around in a few minutes and there are 18 splits on the run to keep you guessing :)

Have some video of swim exit in our Instagram story. https://www.instagram.com/teamsaunderstri/

Working to pull some T1 clips to add shortly.

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Looks like half-way through the bike: Lionel is 2nd and Joe is 3rd (who came out 10 seconds back from Lionel and in last place on the tracker)

Although for some reason Sam isn't in the tracker?

Skipper marginally quicker than Lionel on the bike so far and up to 3rd.

This is going to be a proper burn up! Love it.

Tracker shows Sam, Joe, and Andreas Dreitz with the fastest bike splits so far. Your bets for T2 lead?

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If Hanson is close off the bike look out...

WOW, Joe Skipper really going after it. Kanute holding everyone off, can he keep the lead into T2?

Sam is on the tracker. Currently in 10th. He didn't show up on the tracker for the swim because he was not in the top 20.

Where is Talbot giving updates? I looked at his instagram account and no updates. Apparently I don't know how to use the internet.

They are not gaining as fast now
But man those split all with 1-2 seconds between them, wonder if the draft distance is held.

Guess it is all about getting a gap on Matt now

Apparently. Updates are on his Instagram Stories.

Through 28mi on the bike, of the top 10 men, Sam L seems to have the fastest pace. But he has a lot of ground to make up after a not so good swim

Let's see how they do going against the north wind for the second half of the bike.

Over in the women's race, we've got 50 year old Dede Griesbauer riding in 3rd at mile 28. She will fall back some on the run, but still. Whoooo!

Sam is on the Tracker, just 19th at Bike 1 and 10th at bike 2....

@protrinews on Instagram also has good updates

Wow 50 that is insane! And in third how is that even possible in a rather stacked field?!

This will be key and likely we'll see bigger gaps appear as the stronger bikers push into the headwind.

Hauling ass at 50, baby! Inspiration for us all!

Things couldn't be going better for LS right now. Ben is a great runner but I think he's been riding quite hard whereas Lionel is likely riding his normal effort. Ben I think will have to have a great race to be able to run with him after such a hard bike effort.

Sam looks to have had a sub-par swim even for him. I wonder what happened. He'll keep moving up though. Still a podium threat.

Matt Hanson is in great position too for his astonishing run capabilities. But he'll have to put like 1:20 to 1:30 into Lionel to win. That's a big ask

Edit: actually matt is only 20 seconds behind Lionel and riding faster than Kanute. He is totally still in this race for the win.

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Talbot Update: "Strong strong headwind all the way home. Lionel has moved to the front of the group and putting in a big big surge"

Lionel going with the sleeveless suit again today.

Talbot update: "Matt Hanson is starting to fall back quick"

Talbot Update: "Everyone goes with Lionel riding very close to each other. Lionel moved to the back of the group and smiles as he rides by and says "I'm not pulling them".

Where are there updates to follow?

I can't find anything on the IM website

Hanson usually doesn't over bike like so many others. Hopefully this is no different

Confident in the run, I guess!

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Lionel & Sam T1 video posted. Sam struggled a bit with shield and bike off rack.

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Sam 33 seconds back, he will bridge by T2. Joe Skipper really putting down a great bike.

Guess I was wrong about Sam swimming himself out of the race....

Hanson probably losing too much time into the wind now

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Wow. Sam is only 30 seconds off the lead and 20 seconds behind Lionel. Let's see how the run goes!!

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The gap after Sam is huge.

Joe Skipper has a 5 minute penalty I just saw on Talbot's Instagram

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Looks like Sam is within 20 seconds of Sanders. Are they at the front of the race, anyone ahead of them?
Would be so great to have live coverage to see them battle on the run!

Likely for sucking Lionel's wheel.

Sanders is in the lead group with Sam catching up. He may have caught up already.

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Delayed penalty by UK NHS for riding 200 miles for his 1x per day exercise quota during UK lockdown last March that ST exploded over lol

Sam riding hard, Lionel (unusually for pre-2020 Lionel) smart AND hard. I wonder if Hanson will outrun both of them. What a pity there is no live stream

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Dede Griesbauer just 1:07 back in second place, WOW!!!

Is Hanson the fastest runner ? He looks to be about a mile back..about 2:30 back.

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Tracker looks like LS and SL are basically together now, and Hansen just over a mile back on the bike.

My bet is it comes down to a super close finish between LS and Hansen.
Lionel out ran Sam by over a minute in Daytona, and gotta figure Sam just burned some matches catching up on the bike. But Hansen could def close the gap on the run.

Hansen put roughly 2 minutes into Lionel at Challenge Daytona, which was a shorter run

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FYI the tracker is not actual positions but a prediction based on speed at the previous marker. They should be coming into T2 in the next few min.

Lionel and Sam into T2 first


accompanied closely by Herbst, Dreitz, Skipper and Kanute

Hanson is a super runner, but he is losing time on the bike. Will be hard for him to make up 2:30 (currently) and maybe more like 3:00 on the run on Sanders who certainly isn't a slow runner. Agree that Sam may be burning some matches on the bike...and anyway, don't think that he can keep up with Sanders or Hansen on the run. Don't count Ben Kanute out

Sam off the bike in first 😆 LS right behind.

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Sam Long first off the bike, dear skeptics, with a sub 2 bike split

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Sam first off the bike. Kanute and Skipper 20 and 17 seconds back. The first few miles will tell the tale as to how this race goes. As for Daytona, Lionel messed up his nutrition there and did not have a great run, I think Miami is a much better indicator for how this will go.

That went through my head as well. We will see what Hanson can make up.

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I think we might not have the picture until mile 7 or 8.

Sam worked REALLY hard on the bike. He may have burned too many matches but he has so much heart it may not show up until later in the run.

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Maybe that bucket of animal crackers he ate the last few days was a bad choice....




Joking!!!!!

This might be good for Lionel to have Sam close by until he can't hang with the Lion anymore.

You aren't the only one struggling to find those updates. ;)

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Sanders
Long
Kanute
Dreitz

all within 30 secs of each other

I think Lionel needs to run his heart out....forget about Sam, cuz Hanson is closing. And Kanute is not slow either

Lionel in first, 4 seconds up on Sam.

Hanson has already put 30 seconds into Lionel. 3 minutes back.

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Thank you...I wasn't letting the story go all the way through.

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The two seem to be running away from the field, even Hanson is no longer making time up.

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Only 10 seconds faster through the 2.4mi split. Pretty sure Lionel has this easy, and I think Sam falls off the podium. There's no way he didn't push crazy hard biking almost 2 minutes faster than Lionel.

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Yep LS putting time on Sam already, maybe 20+ seconds ahead looking at tracker. Cannot see Hansen closing 3 minutes in 16km or so.

Talbot plus Kenny Withrow plus the ProTriNews feeds have gone a little dark.

Ironman - don't censor these guys for coverage - if you won't do it - let others at least cover the race for free!!!

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At the 4.7 mile mark Sam has stopped the bleeding vs. LS. Actually made up a little time.

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I would agree, but thus far am impressed at how well Sam has held on. He is not losing time.

Very good run for Sam. Do we think Lionel is hiding some in the tank for when Matt gets closer and tries to surge?

Sam holding steady at 19 seconds back, this could shape up to be a great race. Matt Hanson 3 minutes back with 15km to go, I think that's a lot to make up. Kanute holding strong and he came back in the latter stages of the race in Miami.

According to the tracker, Lionel’s avg run pace so far is 5:04/mile and Hanson 4:59/mile. No way either are sustainable, that’s like a 1:06 half.

Wonder if the latest section was uphill a little. Both LS and SL's trackers dropped the average a lot after last update , and lionel put a few more seconds back into him

Edit - NM, half a km later and next update is back to a 5:03/mile pace. Crazy. And Sam 30 seconds back

I think it was. I’m finding it really hard to judge their pace. It’s all over the place watching the tracker

30 second lead now

I'm curious to see how Kanute finishes. I wonder if he will negative split. He came on strong at the end of Challenge Miami. I don't think he catches Lionel but he could manage 2nd and hold off Hanson?

It's a shame there's no video, sounds like it's could be an epic battle on the run over the last half - hopefully somebody is able to post something on youtube afterwards

Hansen has 10km left to pull back 2.5 minutes... Not gonna happen

No. Full gas imo

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I think he does as well. I’m surprised he hasn’t put into Sam Long yet

Frequently the distances the tracker has set between the mats is not exactly right. For the really short intervals it can be off by a large percentage. So the calculated pace is often pretty wrong.

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Thanks Ed. That’s what I’m seeing

Yea, he is the only one now gaining any ground on Sanders but it's not much per split. I think he's going to run out of pavement before catching.

Exactly we use the distances provide to us but if they are off by 200-300m it can greatly affect the pace, we have 18 detection points out there!!

The tracker time is starting to time out 502 Bad Gateway

Where are you getting updates?

Ironman Tracker App.

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I'll say this, Sam Long is the real deal. He biked a 130 mile bike last week and ran a 17 mile tempo run this week, so to do that sort of volume and be having the race he is having today, wow!!

Pancakes wish they were as flat as Galveston

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for what it's worth, I'm finding the tracker a little confusing. and now it's died anyway.

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I agree completely. He is a really exciting to watch and love his video's as well. I hope he hangs on for 2nd.

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Tracker not working for me now anyone else having issues??

It's very slow and working on and off...Just stopped working for me.

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Tracker down, says no internet

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It's been very spotty for me. It was restarting on me every few minutes saying it was "updating settings" and then says I don't have internet connection. Not a very stable app right now.

Heather looks a long way back in 7th. Seemed an exceptionally slow swim for her. Hopefully she can continue to make up ground.

We got it back now. Very spotty though

Manure making a push for 2nd? Only 20 seconds back with 3 km to go

Just came back for me also - top 3 just passed through 10.8 mi

Ben Kanute down to 56 seconds back, so he is doing the same thing he did in Miami. I think Lionel can hold him off but what about Sam. Would love to see Sam come in 2nd.

18km in and Lionel is still holding strong. Sam 38 secs back. Kanute at 56sec back.

Hanson 4th at 1:56 back.

What a shame this is not live streamed! Looks like an exciting race on the tracker

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Paces are not moving much in the top 4, can't see the positions changing much.

Kanute comes back!

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Does he have enough real estate?

So do we think Skipper got dq'd? Tracker shows "waiting to start" which is what it usually says for DQs and drop outs. Maybe for not serving his drafting penalty?

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I think Heather's a strong runner. I think she can get to 3rd

Yeah, Ben can make it a sprint finish and we will see how Long handles that.

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Is the tracker continually crashing for anyone else?

My tracker app has decided that it doesn't wanna work, on phone or laptop! anyone update me with splits etc? Hanson still closing, Lionel still drawing it out?

Tracker is repeatedly crashing for me as well.

20.4km in, Sanders leads, Long 37s back, Kanute making a move, 43s

Sanders in lead at 12.4 miles!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think the fact we posted with the same issue answers the question haha

6 seconds between SL and BK. at 12.7

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I get the constant "check your internet connection" blah blah blah, while I'm sitting here with a million other things streaming on a gigabyte line. What a farce.

Yup, stopped working for me over the past few minutes. "Cannot Connect to the Internet"

Yes, continually

Yes very spotty!! :(

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Long :37 back, Kanute :43 back. sprint finish!

I turned off my wifi on the phone and it works better. I don't know why but it does.

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Who is Sophie Watts?

She may win this thing.

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Oh mine has been down the last hour. I assumed it was the same for everyone.

You can see the live finish chute on facebook

Long for the win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tracker says Sam long won?

Holy Crap, what happened!!

No. Lionel won, Kanute 2nd, Long 3rd. Track is wrong

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My tracker shows Sam winning???

Something has to be wrong. No sanders or kanute can only be an error

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WTF: Did the entire lead pack of Men get 5min drafting penalties?

No. Watched live finish. Tracker messed up.

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Holy shit. How can the tracker get this wrong?

WTF... Mine too!!

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I was gonna say. Lionel would have had to collapse for that to happen. Man what a finish that would have been. Great race by Kanute and Long. Not surprised Lionel won. Smart race. Think he held back on the bike. Hansen ran out of road

Laundry may have 2nd or 3rd fastest run from way back.

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Hope tracker is wrong and that we aren’t seeing penalties

Woooww!! The tracker made for a very surprising finish :):):)

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Talbot confirms

Sanders
Kanute
Long

Watching Kanute Sprint passed Long at the finish would've been epic to watch live.

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Musta been the timing system little error at the finish - maybe lead boyz came in a touch too fast?

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Ironman has rarely had an event with any kind of coverage, where there is not a problem. Tracker coverage = tracker problems, Live feed = live feed problems. This is a pretty regular occurrence in my experience, pretty disappointing.

Ironman can't even get out of it's own way these days. Want an embarrassment. You had one job!

Kanute is one of those guys you don't want to end up in a sprint against. I seem to remember him doing something similar to win island house

Idk, Lionel walked across the finish on Live coverage on Instagram.

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Did he have a mechanical? It seems like his second bike split is way too slow...

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Good grief IM...your tracking sucks.

do you think 70.3 will continue to have closer finishes going forward? The talent seems to be much better than even 3 years ago.

Where is the Pink? Ironman's one job was to make sure their tracker worked?

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She won't catch Skye. Super impressed with Jeanne.

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As far as coverage of this sport goes, whatever Super League, the Challenge Family and the PTO have been doing to improve viewing and tracking experience, Ironman has been working hard to undo. I see pro triathletes racing IM events less and less as COVID shifts to the rear view mirror and any triathlon taking place is not the only game in town.

Meanwhile Talbot Cox appears to be the only game in town if you're trying to follow live results of an IM event.

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I think super league does the best job of it, by far. They need to keep putting these events on and they need to do it outside of North America. Europeans, Kiwis, and Aussies seem to appreciate the sport much more.

Ironman will still make money as they have all of the well produced races in the states at the moment.

After this year I plan on racing shorter course and local.

Sad when the App gets more Slowtwitch notice than the Woman's Pro race.

Great race Skye, Jeanni, Sophie, Heather and Kim!!

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First race in ages.

Zero Coverage.

Kudos to the PTO championship series for the content.

Kudos to the usual Triathlete youtubers for picking up IM's absolute disdain for doing anything for pro athletes. Cheering harder and harder against the IM BRAND and for Pro's to flock to a better race series.

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also rule 5

If the app isn't working you cannot track the women's races.

Also, the women's race didn't have the top 3 within 45 seconds of each other with a potential sprint finish.

Yes, it sucks that it makes no economic sense to produce a broadcast package for the largest pro-field of the year so far. It would have been cool for sure.

But the only reason Super League, Challenge, and PTO have made those MASSIVE investments in broadcast packaging is as a market differentiator from Ironman in hopes you choose them.

But Challenge previous to Daytona in North America did not produce high standard races and some races that just never even happened. Also, without the Moritz Money, the Moritz Triathlon Company would still be a twitter handle attacking Ironman. What's the runway here for them?

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I don't disagree. Still, Challenge were providing MUCH better coverage than IM - and improving every year - before the Moritz money train arrived. The Championship in Samorin in 2018, for instance - a sort of a meh-stream by today's standards, but so much better than what IM was providing then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xoxv8bg48iU

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It’s the same backend that challenge/PTO has been using (rtrt.me).

Let’s all remember how bad tracking was 4 years before the new app came out. IM and/or the backend had a few snafu’s today. All the other races that have happened the past few months haven’t had any issues. This is just a blip that they will get figured out for future events.

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I gotta say, I watched the Super League Arena games on youtube and a 2-hour event included both Men and Women's races, back-to-back. The format is so fast and exciting 2 hours of viewing felt like 15 mins.

https://www.youtube.com/...VAsMTEk6c&t=513s

Do you know how many lifetimes I've lived since Arizona 70.3!?!

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Keep hyping that illiterate man-child jock sniffer. There is very little point in broadcasting these races. They are boring to watch and they take a long time. This is the niche of the niche sports. The tracker is fine. It has its bugs. It is certainly more frustrating when it is not working and you’re on course and nobody can tell you your place or time gaps. Following at home as a spectator, 🤷🏼‍♀️. I’m looking forward to St George to seeing the growing number of content creators scurrying about transition like roaches when the lights are turned on.

Rough morning?

If you don't like races and content, why even comment on a pro race thread? At least Talbot, Kenny et al are out there trying to give us some insight and coverage of pro racing that some of us really like to see. It was exceptional racing and we could have seen more of that if Ironman was interested in allowing it.

Insulting people's choice of pursuing their own dreams - it's pretty weak. If my kids said the same thing about another classmate of theirs chasing their dreams - I'd certainly let them know that is both unkind, and completely inappropriate. But that's just because I don't want them to think that insulting others is ok.

I'm glad all you need is a tracker. But you probably don't qualify as a professional triathlon fan if that's the only coverage you need.

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Oh yeah? Well all those fantastic not-overhyped literate people working at the WTC who are paid to give us race results failed to give us the race results.

Fuck them, not the Instagram-YouTube guy who gave us the race results.

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Comment from lyla reminding me quite clearly that "those who hate are doing so as a byproduct of unhappiness in their own lives".

1000%

ETA certainly followed by a comment about how happy they are with their lives...

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ironman's pro issues is nothing new and you have to remember that the pros do not make IRONMAN any value in the long term. Each racers is easily replaceable. This is not a fan sport.

IF some top pros go and choose a different venue it will not matter to ironman's bottom line. Ironman had 1800 participants at this race.

Walmart doesn't care if a celebrity or rich person shops at their store, they would not pay them to do it or give them a discount. Ironman is slowly pulling away from pro's and moving to support the age group racer more.
They have done this with world 70.3 having more slots and increasing race options around the world. while removing pro races and prize money every year since 2008.

The tracker and app is set up for family and friends to follow who they know, not the pros.

remember REV3, wildflower, challenge xyz. island house. and there are a few more.

The races we have seen this year from Challenge at Daytona and Miami are market timing. I like it but I think they will dry up a bit more next year compared to this years.

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Finally someone else who sees this asshat for what he is!!!!!

Escape from Alcatraz as well, I believe. Had some “rubbing is racing” in the chute maybe?

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I’m thinking a reason the men’s race was/is getting so much more attention is the hype that some of the guys were building for it. YouTube videos from Lionel and Sam long plus some talk from joe skipper helped build up an excitement for this race that was focused on those rivalries. Seems like if you’re not building your own hype than no one will pay attention.

I had zero interest in this race until I checked Talbot Cox "race week" videos. These were good and the banter in those (mostly courtesy of Sam Long and Lionel Sanders) made me look forward to this race. I just followed the tracker and this thread today, which is better than nothing but I would of course have preferred some live coverage. Now I'm looking forward to Talbot's post-race videos.

VERY well said. it is amazing to this day that people think that Pros matter, no matter how many times and how many different threads/topics it is discussed on ST

Excellent point on the bolded part

Lol, the Talbot haters are sort of amusing. It’s like they are jealous of some guy who saw a niche and went out and carved what would have to be a very small opportunity from that.

It’s really weird, like if Talbot is the sole focus of your denigration then you are really fuckin lazy, like so lazy you can’t put the effort in to do petty jealousy right.

Maurice

This is the same short sighted thinking that has been posted here for almost 20 years. Lionel’s embedded style video released yesterday currently has 26k views. If you get people invested in the pros they will watch. Ironman continues to disappoint on all fronts. Would love to see more pros doing high profile Challenge races.

IT is not short sighted it is fact. I have been in Tri since 2004 was a pro for ten years. Won prize money and had many sponsorships.

mark allen got 20,000 for kona 1989.
Now it is at 110,000

they know which race is the bread and butter.

also good for lionel to get youtube clicks and Talbot, I love their stuff hope they keep it coming.

But your 26 k views for FREE content is not anything special. although good for a triathlete.

I just checked my kids you tube channels a 8 min video by a guy I have never heard of that post 3-5 times a days has 500 k views in 5 hours.
Marvel has a one hr dance video of a 16 sec loop scene from winter solider it has 4.5 million views in one day. it is a 16 seconds loop over and over for 60 mins and has they many clicks.

Also the more free work pro triathletes post the more Ironman is helped without investing a cent. If they cut the prize money in half the same guys would do the exact same dance for less. It happened mid 2010's.

The clients I coach do not know more then 3 -4 pro names. The can't name the top three from the last kona 2019. they do know the coolest looking bikes, which races they want to do in the next 3 years, their last ironman splits and pace times, their future goals.

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just want to share this as my son said this channel is popular.




Would You Sit In Snakes For $10,000?
20 million views in one day and the guy would make more money, I think then the top 4 finisher in the men's race got today.

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Free content like broadcast tv? Do you understand how YouTubers get paid? This is just scarcity thinking versus abundance thinking. There has never been anyone at Ironman smart enough to exploit the stars of the sport. The most basic thing they can do is provide quality race coverage. The idea that age groupers are the only thing that matters is leaving a lot on the table. It certainly leaves the door open for a company like Challenge. You have been around a while so you probably know the story of how Hawaii came to have prize money.

and THIS is whats wrong with today's society... at least in the good ol' USA.

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In case anyone else was curious:
$20,000 in 1989 is $42,000 today

So still a big difference, though not 5x

Youtubers that get under 1 million views dont make much.

You tube makes it all. And YouTube also prompts the idea that youtubers make alot so people make more free content, daily.

Sadly the more pro triathletes that add content the more it will water it all down and be like tv rating.

I live in Canada tv is not free.

If they are going to make so much as youtubers their post race hits will be higher then their prize check.

But that's enough let's focus on the race.

Sam had a bad swim, lionel won. See what happens in st.george, wish I was there able to race instead of just checking in to see who wins.

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It looked like non wetsuit swim - Lionel had a good swim in comparison to Miami with Kanute leading both races out of the water. Sam had about the same deficit to Kanute that he did in Daytona - I think Sam thought based upon Daytona that he and Lionel were the same swimmers but Lionel had a bad swim in a restrictive suit and the last two races in the water for Lionel were closer to where he is at, and Sam isn't quite there yet. I think Sam's swim (non wetsuit) being the same deficit to Kanute is actually a decent sign...

But damn that bike was impressive....

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The wind on course was insane. It was perfectly aligned with the course direction giving us a massive tailwind for 28 miles and the most ridiculous headwind I’ve ever experienced for the 28 miles back. My speed graph on strava is hilarious.

Lol it was brutal. As soon as I made the turnaround it was crazy how hard it was blowing right in my face. Few draft packs on the way to T2 but it was hard to avoid riding together. I felt bad seeing a bunch of people in the penalty tent when I rolled in

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Lionel's videos are good for the sport if they are getting more people into the sport. Paul Felder is talking about Lionel Sanders on UFC broadcasts and that's fantastic all around. Who cares if the kid who films him is a douche?

I don't think I've ever followed the results of a pro race before. YouTube and Slowtwitch makes me interested in Lionel (and a few others), but I've never cared for race results. However, with the Race Week series, I was actually curious about how the race was going to turn out and followed the updates today. I'll probably keep following it in the future. Kudos to Talbot and Lionel for making it happen.

Damn, people hate Talbot for some reason. Anyone care to share why they hate Talbot so much? The guy found a niche and has been extremely successful doing it, usually that's something people get showered with praise for discovering. Anyway, I appreciate his videos, photos, and how he seems to be bridging the gap where Ironman is dropping the ball. Talbot, "If they hate then let'em hate and watch the money pile up."

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Check out his Twitter.

Thing is, some people can't live with cognitive dissonance. Talbot's videos are very good to great, his tweets are absolutely terrible. I enjoy the videos while ignoring the tweets, just like I can believe Trump's tweets are godawful while his COVID vaccine rollout was an outstanding success. Apparently it's not that easy for many. I should be a Greek philosopher.

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I'm not really clear on it either. I can fully appreciate not everyone is a fan of every athlete, maybe its his association with Lionel, and if you don't happen to be a fan of Lionel......
I think his videos are great. Our small training group does 90+% of our riding indoors, his videos are a regular part of our ride playlists.
I think the vids are far better than those of other pro's that are now doing them because they feel they have to, and need to bash the sport and its sponsors, not to name any names.......

Someone earlier said that his twitter represents why some may dislike him; I checked and sure I don't agree with some of the stuff he's saying etc. but why is that a reason to hate on his videos. He is a talented videographer (apologies if that was the wrong word) and makes content focused on triathlon, without bias or involving any personal views outside of triathlon.
That said, there's gotta be something else for the sheer level of hatred directed at him from these few individuals, and there could very well be something we don't know about, or there could very well be nothing at all. The best approach for them IMHO is too steer clear and ignore him, and if it's something too serious to ignore raise it at the correct level (hint, the correct level is not a public triathlon forum)

On to the race, You guys seen Justin Metzler's insta? Sounds like he was on for a good one bar the rookie mistake forgetting the number belt, signs looking good for his continued improvement up the rankings. Matt Hanson had a helluva run as always and Lionel executed a near perfect race. Sam Long showed his bike/run talent, but if he can improve his swim as Lionel has he is looking good. Ben Kanute seemed impressive to me, nothing wrong with his race at all and a very impressive finish.
Kimberly Morrison bossed that bike, and Jeanni Metzler had an awesome run! Skye Moench had a great race, and Sophie Watts (who is new to me) had a great race as well. Heather Jackson I'd imagine had higher hopes but a strong 4th nonetheless.

Let me preface this by saying I’ve never seen one of his videos and likely never will. Nothing to do with him. The thought of watching any triathlon video sounds awful. I don’t care if Martin Scorsese directed it.

I think part of the anti-Talbot sentiment around here stems from his reaction to criticism of his videos. His amp goes to 11 pretty quickly if someone criticize his videos. Someone can correct me if I’m wrong about that.

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I remember Talbot lashing out at Brad Culp on Twitter when Brad included an enthusiastic review of the coverage of Challenge Daytona in his race report. However enthusiastic the review, Brad also sinned by pointing out something that could be improved, provoking several tweets about a biased, negative, hating journalist who should be sacked.

As far as Talbot's videos go, I got a cool-headed, matter-of-fact response from him when I sort-of accused Lionel of being rude to Erin and loose with facts, so no complaints from me!

I think he's just two different people pretending to be one, secretly making fun of Slowtwitch and trolling the crap out of us.

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"FTP is a bit 2015, don't you think?" - Gustav Iden

I cant find full results anywhere. would love to see how many people where there etc.

Thanks everyone for following along. I hope we have generated enough interest for ironman to have better coverage in St George. If not we will do our best to update everyone with updates again. Also just want to thank everyone for the support and watching the race week series. Its the comments and excitement that make me want to work harder! I love my job.

Looking forward to another stellar race in St. George.

Ditto

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"Human existence is based upon two pillars: Compassion and knowledge. Compassion without knowledge is ineffective; Knowledge without compassion is inhuman." Victor Weisskopf.

The results page lists 2059, but no idea if that’s confirmed or not

https://www.ironman.com/im703-texas-results

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the world's still turning? >>>>>>> the world's still turning

if you use the app and select Overall men and page over to the very last person, it says that there were 1,759 finishers.

that's more participants than I thought there would be.

an observation:

are we witnessing the birth of Lionel Sanders 2.0? obviously it was tough to get the nuances without any video coverage, and even the splits/tracker were confusing as hell to me, but this seems like a pretty dangerous string of race results for lionel. the texas field was good but not great, admittedly, but still: sanders did exactly what he needed to do today. didn't dig a big hole. had a strong swim, a just-strong-enough bike, and then a strong enough run. i think he's look both fitter and smarter this year.

other thoughts:
-i'm not crazy about sam long's 'persona.' i don't wish him ill or anything, and i can see why some people like him, he just comes off too brash for my taste.

-what happened to magnus ditlev? dns?

-was something up with the swim? seems like the splits were slow.

-hanson was only ~10 seconds back of a podium, again - seems to me that as the run distance increases he's becoming one of the most dangerous athletes in the sport.

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In his videos he mentions things here and there that seem to indicate he is listening to his coach more often in terms of being less impulsive and becoming more controlled and patient. It also looks like he is clicking with his swim coach well. All that said, it seems the talent level of the field keeps rising, so sadly, while Lionel may finally get to a point where he realises his potential, he may end up finishing worse than in the past.

Better video on the race than whatever that was supposed to be from Ironman (that was really awful watching them setup for the finish in such a haphazard fashion).

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Very cool...Thank you for posting..

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Youre welcome. :)))

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What was the rationale for not running a disc wheel this race? It seemed like a handful of the women weren't... Reasons?

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Because it was windy.

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There were a crapton of us athletes on course and hundreds of spectators lining the streets. The run as a 3 loop course with lots of out and backs was... interesting. 3 runners wide in both directions by some of the turnarounds. Largest crowd I’ve been a part of in 18 months.

Might as well have been a flashback of pre-pandemic 2019 race from a course density, number of athletes and distancing perspective.

On the plus side, the swim start was a bit more orderly and the line was reasonably distanced and we all had kn95 masks they gave to everyone race morning up until right before we entered the water.

Also a bonus, they let us back into transition to get our bikes as soon as we crossed the finish line vs the normal 1:30pm or whatever...

In response to the line I bolded, let me preface this by saying that I volunteered for this race in the hopes of having a front row seat to the pros and boy were my hopes answered. Had I known that ST was having a "game thread" due to lack of coverage I would've joined in and uploaded the videos and commented I was taking but I was too star struck and "busy" with my volunteer duties as well as having <50% battery life on my phone when the race began. I'll say this, those transitions are fast AF and Lionel is really slim in real life. I got to take a picture with him and I know that I'm not at my fittest right now but holy cow does standing next to Lionel make me look really heavy. If it's giving him the results he wants, all the power to him. I would estimate he's <5% body fat.

As for Big Unit, I'll admit his persona can rub people the wrong way but at the finish line all the dudes are really friendly with each other which is nice to see so I decided to not be so quick to pass judgement on him. I saw a couple of his interviews from the past today and I'm warming up to him. He's a goofball coming into his own

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Maybe time seems goes by a lot faster when its me going through transition, but watching that, I had the opposite reaction. Those guys seem like they are taking forever at their bikes!

Rack bike (twice if you drop it like lionel), helmet off, shoes on, grab the belt, go!

I hope so.
No more beginner hydration mistakes yet. Two very smart racing decisions, in Miami he know it would be pointless to fry the legs on the bike course due to the technicality of it.
And this weekend he made the correct decision of staying in the pack and not towing them along/ riding all out to get to T2 with dead legs.

Can he start hitting 2nd swim back consistently things look good!

Here is Lionel's Post race Thoughts

Terrific job Sergio. You delivered some of what WTC failed to deliver. Thanks for volunteering, too.

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