without assuming Ill ask...


can we do this in yards too ?

daved

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Aww man, my masters is on break til the end of the month, so I'll have to pass, but otherwise, I'd be game.

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I will be in, but will have to convert my yard times up I suppose, think there is a calculator. Didnt click the link yet, do we get to dive on each 50?

yeah, convert up - there are calculators on swimswam and swimmingworld

Dive allowed (optional) on the 50 fly, everything else from a push.

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As long as we can convert, I'm in. Didn't see in the rules, but do you have to swim all 4 in the same day, or can you spread it out through the month?

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We get to make our own dam rules!

I'm gonna be swimming them same day, but I think doing them on separate days is fine too...

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Good deal, I will have to wait for dan to get back from Kona, I literally have no one to time me in our little lap swim pool. Plus all I have been doing is distance free getting ready for the 3k postal, so better do some strokes first too. And dont forget to post up your age so we can fill in the AG categories, and eventually compare them with the Canuks!!!

Dammit, I guess I have to go back to the pool then... although I'll have to bribe someone to take a time for me.

For $28, you never have to rely on friends or a coach to get your times again:

https://www.sportcount.com/...portcount-stopwatch/

I don't do a workout without it.

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Feeling shitty and just going to swim a little to wake up and have a shower, and this stupid thread got into my head, thanks Jason!

Easy 500 warm up(7;18)
5x100IM kick@2;15 with a 50 in-between IM order@1;00. (36/39/41/33)
500 easy pull (6;36)
1700SCY

So looks like I have about a 2;31(2;29+2 for digital clock) to kick this thing off, about 90% effort with absolutely no stroke training. So my starting point, and a window for you all to throw your rocks at now...But I do have a lot of room to improve, so there is that..

Can I use flippers for the butterfly?

No.. I think we can all do a 50 without toys. Now if it were a 100, then I'm breaking out the paddles..

Can I use results from separate days...from thirty-odd years ago?

(26.9 (actually a 50fly at the start of a 200IM), 29.5, 29.5, 23.1 SCY, all in Masters Y Nationals)

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no

I actually have no idea what my 50 fly would have been at my "peak" (I use that term rather loosely). We didn't swim 50's back then except for free. and I sucked at 50's anyway....

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Welcome back Ken! And you gotta swim them now, just like the rest of us. 🥶

What, you can't just go to the pool and swim this on your own??? You could get your wife or someone to time you. :)

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I'm with you on this one. My butterfly is abysmal, but passable with fins. But then again I'm not doing it in a triathlon, so I don't practice it often enough to make it better. It'd be my slowest leg of this challenge, even with the dive start. A 50 might honestly be laughable.

My plan is to do these after masters tomorrow night. There's an hour of lane swim after the end of practice until the pool closes.

I've gotta try to beat monty. that's my entire mission in life right now.

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I've gotta try to beat monty. that's my entire mission in life right now.


Well I hope you have already left, and you dont get to see this until you get back. You have thoroughly screwed up my swimming head now, but it may be my way out of my funk. So did pretty much the same exact swim as yesterday, just more kicking between 50's. Still out of breath at the start of each one, but I want to just have them be part of a set until I feel the day is here to go for broke, so I have some room to improve I suppose;


500s@8;00(7;14)
5x200IM kick@4;30 with 50 stroke IM order@1;00 in-between (kicks(3;53 to 3;49) 50's(33/38/39/31)
500p@7;00(6;15)
200 dolphin(4;23) 50s
2450SCY


So today went 95%(all push) and just felt a lot better than yesterday, thank goodness it is only a 50 though, all memory. So a 2;21 and add 2 for the digital clock(although my last 50 I saw a 30, but instantly was 31, so 30.9) for a 2;23 total time. Of course later I will get a real timer and have closer splits, but .5 add on per 50 is probably spot on..


And since you are so much younger than me Jason(and most everyone else) you can try and beat my time in your meter pools. We can calculate the conversion when someone else 63 puts up some numbers...(-;

I don't swim until this evening. You are going DOWN!!!

seriously, I'm gonna have to make up some serious ground on the fly and back 50's, cuz I'm gonna be giving up time in the breast. I might need to suit up...

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thanks Jason.. working off R.L. Stevenson's apothegm "our business in life is not to succeed, but to continue to fail in good spirits", gave this a whirl..

scy, all push, fly, back, breast, free
44,41,43,29 for 2:37

converted to scm, 2:54 oh my.

there's some fat in that fly time - never try to swim fly fast, too busy trying to pace myself and not die..
also breaststroke is always tricky, getting the compromise between glide and turnover right, not sure I have.
back and free are about what I can do, can maybe get a second or so off the free time on a good day with the moon in the seventh house and Jupiter aligned with Mars..



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I'm down :)


I'll have to do this at a pool where I can film.

I'd aim for
27
30
38
28

So probably an add up time in the 2:05-2:06 range.

50 Fast- timed
200 easy
The whole cycle on 6 minutes.

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I'm in then. I've got LCM tomorrow morning so I'll hit it during or after practice from a push. I'm assuming I have an age advantage over some of you older guys at 23, maybe I'll need some kind of handicap. I'll report back tomorrow.

I’m essentially giving Monty a 10% handicap, he’s got 15 years on me. I figure that since you’ve got 25 years on me that another 10% there is good.

RealAB is only 5 years younger than me, so he’s gonna crush me straight up.

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My son completed my entry for me:


Yesterday at practice 4 x (2 x 25's drill 50 swim) IM order

:39
:38
:49
:35
2:42 or so when you add in the tenths.

Yesterday at practice 4 x (2 x 25's drill 50 swim) IM order

:39
:38
:49
:35
2:42 or so when you add in the tenths. ///


So the meet has begun, but please everyone post the format you swam, SCY, SCM, LCM.. And your age and sex, or if that is too personal your AG..And describe how you did it too, lets give this thing some flavor. My plan now is to chip away at individual 50's, now that I have put up some numbers. No swim today though, maybe a little over zealous yesterday...

Some personal stuff came up so I had to skip practice. I might be able to skip out at lunch tomorrow, otherwise it won’t be until next week

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OK, I am in. I have two swim meets in November so this will force me to work on my 50 times in all strokes. I'll do the 50 fly from push off as I will get booted out of my pool if I dive. I'll have some times for you next week. I'd like to see if I can do 40, 45, 53, 37

SO after doing most of my measly workout, I found the lifeguard and gave him my watch. Figured I might be good for one 50 fly, off the blocks, at 100% effort!

10x100s@1;35(1;25 to 1;22 descend)
5x100IM kick@2;00(1;51 to 1;48 descend)
4x50buoy@50(40/39's)
50 fly off the blocks, 30.36. 50 easy
5x100p@1;30(1;18 to 1;13 descend)
100s/100 dolphin(1;59)
2500SCY

So my virtual 200im is now, 30.36/38.5/39.5/31====2;19.36. Have at it Jason!!! 2;34+ converted to SCM

Ok I swam for the first time since a race on Sept 22nd - typical unpleasantness after some time off. To set a benchmark for myself I did a 50 fast of each stroke as part of a set of 4 x (3x50 steady, 50 fast, 50 ez) and got times of 35, 41, 42 and 31.

2:29 SCM for the virtual IM

I've rescheduled my attempt for Sunday evening. I might see if I can get it on video, and with those times I'm definitely suiting up! I won't be able to go off the blocks though, the deep end is unavailable :-(

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Uh oh. Does this have to be done all in the same day??
I uhh, I did my 50Ya fly today from a dive.

3500 distance set yesterday ... solo. Ugh
Then IM workout this am of 4300 yards total.

One practice dive.

27.9 fly

I will do my back next time. (I freakin hate backstroke! I just cannot seem to turnover w it.)

Anyways. It has begun.

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And I’m a 45 year old white male
Swimming in a 25 yard pool that is “bubbled” for the winter.

Ideally I’d be able to race 70+ but they make me stay in the 45-49 group.

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nah, they can be done separate days, however you want. Monty's current time has back, breast, free from one session and fly from a different day. I'm gonna do them all same day, then I might do a top-up of whatever I think is weakest.

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I thought so..

cool

ill need the time off in between to gather myself.

I was happy w 27.9
coach said it was 27.5 but my finish was about as awful as they come! Ha. But pshhht whatevs coach! I have not gone off the block in like 2 years... so maybe your coaching game is off coach! whattya think about that???

currently psyching up for the back... oy that stroke..

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So converted, you're at 30.9 with the dive.

Just wondering, are we gonna put in a handicap factor for those of us who won't be able to go from a dive? Or just tough luck?

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Come on man, all of us are regulars at our pools. There is no diving at my pool too, but I cajoled the lifeguard to let me do this one off, told him it was for a kind of lifeguard competition. Dont know what a dive is worth, different for abilities for sure. Maybe .7 or a second? I imagine some pros with great underwater to the limit line, dont lose too much. I have to think I get at least a second, and would not be against some handicap.

Man, that 40 to 44 and 45- 49 age groups here is going to be a tough ones, think Bo, Adrian, and SH are both in it too. No cakewalks!! I need Ken to come out of retirement and put up his 27+ free to shoot for.

Nah, that's not it. On Sunday, when I'm gonna be doing this at the pool, the diving club (or maybe it's synchro?) is using the deep end where the blocks are. I won't be able to use them even if the lifeguard said it would be ok.

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tried again, went 1 sec slower on fly and breaststroke, and the same on the other two..
still at 2:37 scy, 2:54 scm, with no dive, age 59..

my son has great pullouts on breaststroke, tried to do better on mine and went a second slower.. pfui.

I do notice the rest of my workout after 4x50 race pace efforts, is noticeably harder than usual.
So there might even be a training effect, ha.

now for 2 weeks in S. Africa with no pool, then will be in Aus with a 50m pool.. can get some lcm times at sea level, 3:01 is lcm converted of current times. So there's a nice neat target..

I'm not allowed to go off the blocks either but I can go off the side so I'll probably do that when I want to really go for a good time. Not quite as good as blocks but better than a push.

A good block start is easily worth 1.5 seconds or more compared to a push off. You only gotta go off the blocks once, so....just sneak up there and do it at the end of your workout. When the lifeguard comes to chew you out, plead ignorance and tell them you were leaving anyway. ;)

Looked at my Strava profile when this challenge was announced. My 4-week average # swims/wk was 1, average yardage/wk under 2k. I'll be trying to get a little swim fitness back and doing this near the end of the month.

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Hey I am going to be at Charlottetown tomorrow and planning to swim at lunch at the Aliant Center....can we rope you into a celeb appearance? I'll even flounder around and do my pathetic times for this challenge and post some numbers now and again on Oct 31st.

Dev

Hey Dev, any other day and I would for sure but Thursdays don't work for a lunch swim for me at all. I have a team meeting from 10:30 to 12 (that never ends at 12) and then another meeting at 1:00 so no chance to get to the pool. Are you only here for the day? I'll be at the pool bright and early at 5:30am tomorrow. :)

Ok Jason, you better hurry up, I chipped away a tiny bit again today in the backstroke. Did a much harder workout for me than usual, even did a 1000p tt at about 90% in 12;21, best in awhile. But the highlight was crushing my back time, lifeguard timed me in 35.87. I will have to look, but that is not that far off what I did in a pentathlon meet last year. Caveat being, I cannot do a back stroke start anyway, so push off is all I got, meet or no meet.. So here is my time up to date;

30.36/35.87/39.5/31. now for a total time of ; 2;16.73. converted to SCM- 2;31.17

I think I may have a shot at sub 2;30 for meters before this is all done..

Haha!! You’ve had like 5 attempts at this thing since the last time I was even in the pool! Life happened last week, then camping over the weekend so no swim on Sunday, pool closed Monday. I’m swimming tonight, maybe I can get a couple of 50’s out of the way after practice.

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I would rather have gone camping too. Take your time, except in the actual 50's of course!

Tried to get in a couple legs at the end my swim workout this afternoon. Went 40.16 for breast stroke (scy), took a short rest, then attempted a 50 back. Bad idea. My calves cramped liked a mofo on the 2nd 25. I don't do much backstroke when I'm swimming regularly, and I haven't really been swimming regularly lately. Ran and did some VO2max work on the bike this morning, too. Cramping was almost inevitable. I'll have to try the 50 back ahead of the main set sometime next week, on a day when the morning bike workout is a little less intense.

Team practice next Sunday will be a chance to go off the blocks for fly. Once I have the strokes in the bag, I knock out the free leg.

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Hey I beat that crazy storm out of Charlottetown....meetings all morning, then swim at the Bell Aliant pool (was really nice) and then hit subway and to the airport crossing our fingers that the 90 kph winds would calm down enough for the aircraft that we had to take out of there to land and take off.

I did not try my four 50's yet.

My main set was

• 6x100m (25 fly, 25 free, 25 dolphin, 25 free)
• 400m as 50 fly 50 free hard times four
• 6x100 IM hard
• 1x400IM easy ( fly and back were with pull bouy)

Thanks Jason - this looks like fun. I will do this Monday morning for fun workout. It will be good to see if I can go as fast as I think I can go? I will do it all in the same session
My prediction is: 35 for the fly, 40 for the back (hate that stroke), 40 for the breast, and 31 for the free = 2:26 - do we get to use dive starts?
Michael Hay
52 - Guelph, Ontario

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You get to dive on the fly only, just like a real 200IM. Presume this is SCM, and what age group you in??

You can go off the blocks for fly. push start on everything else...

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Hi Monty - okay so dive for the IM only. Makes sense. I am 52, if I am not mistaken I met you back in New Zealand in the winter of 1991/92 somewhere around Christchurch - you were still racing as a pro and were maybe doing the Coast to Coast race or lifegaurding at it? Good to see you can still swim fast!!!

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Trip back in to the way back machine. Ya, I decided one summer(yours) to come down there to NZ and race for 2 months of the season. I bought an old beater car, and I had some old contacts from when I rode around both islands in 1978/79, so had places to stay. It was super fun, I really missed that place from my 2 previous adventures there in the 70's, but for the life of me, I cannot recall any races I did!! Maybe you remember, it was at the very end of my pro career. I had one more good year in 93, one of my best actually. I do remember running into Cameron Brown as a teenager I think, and Rick Wells, who I had raced here in the states a few times. We had a pretty fun sprint finish in the San Diego International race( he won).

All right, glad you are still at it too, so put up some down under splits!!

Lol. Me too.
I'll be joining in a few swim sessions. I'm slowly giving my body a beating with a few short distance, fast swim sessions first, so I don't end up with some shoulder injury :-p.
Tried butterfly yesterday for a few half lenghts, ooooo my...
I'm happy to read I'm not the only one hating the back stroke. Brings back nightmares from my childhood...

QUESTION: I guess you guys only read the colored arrows on the big clock, and we only read seconds, not fractions, right ?

Louis :-)

If I'm self-timing, then I'll be able to get splits to the half-second off the wall clock. I might be able to get someone to time me with a watch though...

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QUESTION: I guess you guys only read the colored arrows on the big clock, and we only read seconds, not fractions, right ? //

Those pace clocks with the arrows are pretty useless for getting decent times for 50's. If there is a digital clock, you can get within .5 as Jason says, or do what I do when there is no one to time you, use your digital watch on your wrist. Same thing, gets you within .5, unless you have perfected starting and stopping it without losing/gaining time..


And all you guys training for this, that's fine, but put up some initial times, you know, the ones you know you will beat next time, a baseline so to speak. It gets you in the game, and then chip away at it whenever.

Did mine tonight, took an empty lane for the last 25 mins of practice or so and did:

4x(4x50. 3 easy 1 fast all on 6 mins. Easy as choice, fast 50's in IM order.

Coach got me at 31flat, 34 flat, 44mid, 29 mid (off the wall clock, so no precise splits) for a 2:19 total. All from a push.

I might give the breaststroke another shot, that’s by far my weakest stroke but I’m doubtful that I can get any faster.

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Nice Job son, I presume SCM? So a dive and a little on the breast, and we are neck and neck! Of course I swimming in a short pool, but sure some others will give you a run in those funny sized Canadian pools.. (-;

I was planning on lowering my breast today, but got too knackered from another 1000tt I did. I think I have some room there, but like you said, probably close to my wall, especially from a push off..

Yup, SCM.

Coach got some of them on video, (I told him not to bother with the breaststroke). I'm gonna ask him to email the videos to me so I can break them down.

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I spent the last two days feeling like death from a bad headcold and fever...first time being sick all year.

So I did an easy swim and as part of it a stead 200IM continuous (48+59+62+47)` 3:46. I did not want to go really hard yet. So that's the number starting off. Once I do it with rest and go hard from a hard wall push off, it should get better in the 4 individual 50's.

Dev

Did my IM challenge yesterday. SCY age 62.

Fly 34.2
BK 37.7
BR 40.9
FR 32.5
2:25.3

Be generous on the “age adjusted” handicap.

leaderboard updated.

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I just noticed your times, pretty good! I need to suck a lot less at back if I'm going to catch you! Also, for the leaderboard I am 44.

you get same as monty - SCY times are ranked with SCM for the folks around my age. the young bucks will get 10% added on, if any join in.

The age cutoffs are solely at my discretion.

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My first set of times eyeballing the wall clock so they may be a touch quicker, but this is what I saw

50 fly 42
50 back 49
50 breast 60
50 free 42

Total 3:13 SCM

Age almost 54 (a few days away).

All from wall push off, no dive. 2nd day after being sick, so I think there is up side by end of month. I was happy with the fly, dissappointed with the free, and I know the back and breast will get faster by end of month as those were literally my first attempts and going faster in those in months. I think this exercise is what I need to go through.

By the way, I hope everyone is posting completely legal turns and legal dolphin kicking (15m).

Of course legal turns. I don't go to 15m anyway, even on backstroke off the start I'll pop up at 10-11m, maybe 8m off the turn.

I kinda gave it another shot at masters last night, but we had a tough sprint set before we got to the set of 50's. I was a couple of seconds slower across the board.

Main set #1 was a ladder: Started dying when we got to the 100. These were all theoretically on 15s rest, but I was a lot faster than my lanemates, so I was getting up to 30 sec rest after the hard efforts.
25 mod
25 fast
50 mod
50 fast (31.5)
75 mod
75 fast (50)
100 mod
100 fast (1:08)
75 mod
75 fast (50)
50 mod
50 fast (32)
25 mod
25 fast fly

then we did main set #2
4 rounds in IM order of: {
100 drill/swim moderate by 25 on 2:00
50 moderate on 1:00
50 flat out on 1:00
}

These 50's were all a couple of seconds slower than on Sunday.

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By the way, I hope everyone is posting completely legal turns and legal dolphin kicking (15m). //

You have to understand Dev, that real swimmers are a lot like golfers, we are self policing and do not fudge. Now a triathlete turned swimmer or AOS, that is different. Look at all the cheaters we have uncovered over the years, nary a swimmer. No one is using floaty pants, or snorkels, or fins. I would say about the only thing that is going to happen to push the times down, is that some will suit up so to speak. But a legal and approved FINA suit, either jammers, or full for women. We're ethical, but not stoopid.... (-;

Yeah, I haven't suited up yet. That might be coming at the end of the week. I have a brand new dome cap that I haven't tried yet either.

I still have a shot to take down your times ;-) Maybe Thursday night after practice - I think I can go from a dive start. I'll take in an old tech suit, some Gatorade, and my gopro.

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Interestingly us real track guys (not runners. they are not track guys...I'm talking real track guys) are very very much like swimmers. We want to know if the times were done from the blocks, from a stand still, flying start, hand timed by someone else or by yourself, spikes or no spikes, legal wind or wind aided. This is actually what appeals to me about pool swimming. Its almost exactly like running track (sprint events). You get your lane and you do your thing and the time is the time in the rules. There is no BS....so I am finding it easy to relate to the pool swimmer mentality....but in intervals I do see many real swimmers doing illegal backstroke to backstroke turns or back to breast.

In any case todays workout was 10x(50fly hard+ 50 free easy) on "lots of rest". I don't know exactly how much rest as it depended on who was in the lane and I wanted to start the 50 fly so I don't get in anyone's way, but I was well rested. I think I can take the 50 fly down to sub 40 seconds SCM this year with a dive.

On turns there are exceptions under certain scenarios in training, like sometimes guys will do flip turns on fly sets, because it's faster and there's a training benefit. Also if you're wearing fins, open turns just feel awful. and if I'm feeling lazy I'll do a one handed touch on fly, things like that.

but if it's a competition where it's a "put up your time" thing, then you do legal turns.

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OK just confirming that when challenges like these go up, just like us former track guys would expect peers to follow honour rules on IAAF framework we use FINA framework.

I'll pull out a faster suit by end of month which should take me from slower than Molasses to less slow!

Dev

Had a pretty good day today, body overall feeling is coming back, and it actually seems like workouts are making me faster! And I get to update my 200IM, only one more low hanging piece of fruit now, the free. And then it is suiting up!

5x100@1;40(1;22 to 1;20's)
5x100IM kick@2;00(1;50 to 1;46)
2x(100IM @2;00/3x100p@1;30/100IM kick@3;00) IM's 1;21/1;17 pulls-1;13/11/09-1;16/14/11 kicks-1;50/49
100 easy
50 breast 38.66
4x50 buoy@1;00(37's)
100 dolphin(1;54) 100 buoy(1;24)
2550. SCY

My new virtual IM SCY-- 30.36/35.87/38.66/31--- 2;15.69 SCM. 2;30.74 converted

Monty!

Getting faster! I had an "emergency trip" to New Mexico to accompany a friend of mine on some mountain biking rides... ha

Im back to bean town tomorrow after 4 days at altitude riding my legs off... so the breathing should be good just hope the legs dont cramp too badly.

More to come. Ill be in the pool friday for some speed.

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Did a short sprint workout today. Near the end, I took a good rest, and banged out a 50 free (SCY) @ :29.40

That gives me a provisional back half of 1:09.56.

Will take another stab at the backstroke leg on Thursday.

BTW, my age is 51

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I took a crack at faster 50s for back and breast this morning and improved quite a bit on what I did last week. 34 high for back (very surprised by this) and 37 high for breast with 100 ez kick between them, I'll call it a combined 1:12.5. Add that to my original times for fly and free and I'm at 2:18.5 for the 200IM SCM.

Hmm, conveniently a half second ahead of me... and double letters too...…. ;-P

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I thought we cleared double letters in the last name? ;)

Also, it was witnessed by Pierre Lafontaine so it's legit! Maybe witnessed is a bit strong..... he was on the pool deck a couple of lanes over. :)

That was way harder (and slower than I thought it woud be). Did a nice warm up with Craig Taylors crew and then went for it. Craig and Mike Coughlin timed for me. I have not swam 50 fly ever really. Craig said to go out slow and I thought I was listening but turns out I didnt. I did all of them with about 2-3 min rest ez swimming in between. will try again later in the week with more rest to see if I can get a few more seconds off these times


Splits were SCM
50 fly 16.22 and 21.69 for 37.91
50 back 20.83, 21.64 for 42.47
50 br - 21.02 21.64 for 42.66
50 fr 16.5716.77 for 33.34
2:35.38

Thanks for posting this Challenge Jason - makes me want to start swimming other strokes again for fun!!

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updated leaderboard and corrected your final time - should be 2:36.38 if my math is right...

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Here is my updated time from yesterday;

My new virtual IM SCY-- 30.36/35.87/38.66/31--- 2;15.69 SCM. 2;30.74 converted

I'll work it into my set tomorrow. Will be the first actual breast kick I've done in over a year I think.

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50 fly 16.22 and 21.69 for 37.91 //

ouch!! I didnt even know it was possible to die in a 50 fly, that looks like the ending 50 of a 200!! (-;


Good news is that if you go out in 17+, you can come back in 19 at least, so some low hanging fruit for you to grab...

Ha ha - it was crazy cause Craig the coach said - save your legs for the last 15 meters - I thought I was doing that but when I got there I could barely get my arms around. I think the fly is the stroke that I fake it the most in. If for instance I try fly kick as a drill - I barely move at all. The idea that there are people that can distance swim butterfly blows me away. In Ontario there was a girl named Vicki Keith I think that swam fly across one of the great lakes here. But yes I am hungry to try this little challenge again in a few days.

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Good job you guys !!
I'll try to get back in the pool before the end of oct.
Not my week meeeeeh.
Got some second degree burns on forearms last tuesday from splashed hot soup (don't ask how...).
I'll let the blisters and skin heal before going back in the pool. The headcold will eventually go away too...

Louis :)

My swimming is in the tank....2 days of biz travel and all I have done is 2.5 hrs of running....at this rate people will accuse me of being a triathlete. I am blowing my hard earned image as a wannabee fish. I could get excommunicated out of these threads and banished to one of those stupid FTP theads, which bike is more aero threads, or another zwift or windtunnel thread.

yeah, get yer ass back in the pool or you'll be limited to arguing about which inner tubes are more aerodynamic....

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There is a 45 min window after my train gets back home to Ottawa and the Nepean Sportsplex pool closes (the pool for Masters Swimming Ontario provincials)...I suppose enough time to get a 30 min swim in as the pool is 3 min drive from train station (yes the train time was selected to have a chance at a pool session). I heard in one of those threads that butyl tubers are more aerodynamic since they lead to less tire deformation at the contact point, which would mean better aero shape at that point, but more rolling resistance. I'll need to take the question back to a wind turnnel thread where they can determinee the impact of this on the Kona draft pack.

Here's my effort:

did each 50 twice, as I wasn't fully happy the first time around, it being the first time in long time I've done hard efforts in back or breast. All from a push, standard training jammer, 25y pool. Self timed with my garmin, which really doesn't affect much, only backstroke is really awkward on the finish.

(1st round// 2nd round)
50 fly: 27.71 // 27.37
50 back: 30.42// 29.95
50 br: 35.30// 35.29 (I clearly have no idea how to breast kick anymore, much less time it with a pull)
50 free: 25.30// 25.53

scy total: 1:57.91

converted bests to scm using swimswam:
fly: 30.38
back: 33.24
breast: 39.17
free: 28.08

converted total: 2:10.88

age group = M38

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OK, fellow fools, I got serious today and put this challenge at the front of my workout instead of the back. Bettered my times for breast and free, and got a time for back. Expect to get a fly time off the blocks Sunday at Masters team practice.

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Hysterical Dev

Who rides tubes anymore anyways? ive been tubeless for years and loving it!!
cx, road, mountain... all tubeless.
But you're safe Dev, you're a fish now! You have shown that. Period. Rest easy my friend.

Ok got in a decent loosen up swim post altitude mnt bike boot camp for 4 days.
Ill give that backstroke and possibly breast a shot today! assuming the calf cramps keep away... had a tough time w them yesterday.


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Did a bunch of stuff in the smoke here(Santa Clarita fires) in a hot dive pool, and forced myself to do a 50 free at the end, 29.5. So here is my new virtual time;

My new virtual IM SCY-- 30.36/35.87/38.66/29.5--- 2;14.19

Gonna have to suit up if I want anymore I would guess, all the low hanging fruit has done been picked. Not sure I can get motivated, unless you extend the challenge to next month too..

I think we’ll do something different next month. Maybe revisit the add up IM sometime in the new year

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I'll have 4 days to do hard stuff now that biz travel is over for a bit and I crammed in my 5400m IM set at 13x400IM and 1x200IM.

Got one shot at a 50 fly off the blocks today. Haven’t done any real sprint fly work in a while, so my timing was all off. Felt like a discombobulated mess on my way to a 30.97. Last 3 times I raced this event, I went 28.9-29.1, but I don’t know if I have any more in me at this time. So that makes my provisional SCY time 2:14.65. Converted to SCM, that’s 2:29.46.

Might be a little fat to trim on that breast leg; I’ll give it another shot Tuesday. If I’m feeling really frisky, I may take another crack at the fly leg, too. But there’s a pretty good chance I’ve already posted the best times I’m capable of at the moment.

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I am trying to figure out how you can get more participation from a triathlon forum. I am pretty well the slowest swimmer that posts on any of these threads, yet I am a faster swimmer than 95% of triathletes out there at this point. The swimmer threads turn into a similar scenario as the dick swinging FTP threads.

As it is, masters swim races are like FTP dick swinging threads if you just look at the times on the board. Everyone is fast and any adult onset swimmer will pretty well show up and finish nearly last because most masters meets have almost zero slow swimmers like a 10K race or a marathon does. So you either do them because you're a really good swimmer or you do them because you are OK being nearly last and just trying to improve your "nearly last place" finish time.

Fortunately, I don't care about finishing last, and I am motivated by improving whatever times I can.

So it would be good if you can set this up in some way to encourage people to improve, not about who is fastest on the thread. If not, you'll have the same 5-6 people posting their fast times and then me posting my slow times. There has to be a way to get more people involved and trying all this stuff, because its really quite enjoyable, but most triathletes just don't want to try anything other than what they will do in races (and I have moral high ground, because I speed skated and XC skied as my primary sports for 3-5 months per year even though I would not be doing that in my triathlons...it was great cross training and my cardio was always better....somewhat like training for IM. I was able to hop back into triathlon for the first time in 4 years and at the top of my age group got local podiums in all my races. It was all from the cardio and core work from IM swimming for 4 years because I was barely doing any proper riding or running other than tests in the gym to see if I could do the sports...I'd get going sporadically and then regress.

In any case, I think many triathletes would benefit from trying the things all you fishes do....there is a reason Frodo, Lucy, Brownlee etc etc do so well in tris with their swim backgrounds.

Dev, this is quite simply a straight copy of what swimming Canada is doing this month. I didn’t suggest it to grow the sport, or encourage new people, or any of that shit. Those are fine goals, but that’s not what this is. This just came about because I saw it, said “hey that looks like fun” and thought it would be a fun way to have some fun with our friends (and I consider all of you my friends, even though we’ve never met), and maybe engage in a bit of fun smacktalk. (I’ve gotta figure out how to take Monty down...)

What you’re after is a participation challenge, like you did with the 100/100 way back when. That’s awesome, set it up if you want that. There’s not much point in me participating in those types of challenges given the current limits I have on my time, and if I’m not going to participate then I don’t want to be the one setting it up.

If it’s about improvement, that also leaves a lot of people who would be considered as “better” swimmers out too. There’s not a lot of improvement that I’m going to be able to get, or Monty, or a number of others, without putting in way more hours in the pool than we have available.

In short, it’s just for fun, for whomever thinks that such a thing would be fun. No more, no less.

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Hey I think you're over reacting. What I am pointing out is that maybe there is a way to design some of these to get more people involved, that's all. If you want to have stuff for 5-6 fast swimmers and me (or a few random slow swimmers) then I'll do that too. I'm just pointing out that we're on a triathlon forum and you might actually spread things designing something that might draw more people in.

Right now, some random triathlete opens it and sees, "oh a bunch of swimmers talking about 2:10 200IM's...well I'll just close this thread and go back to talking about FTPs and the aeroness of latex tubes". When in reality if some if some of those random triathletes give swimming a go, they will improve at triathlon (especially during winter....all those hours wasted on the trainer are not acquiring any new skill for them).

nah, not overreacting. (I wish there was a way to convey tone of voice in text besides overusing smileys, but I digress).

I'm just saying, I didn't post this for everyone to feel included. I posted it for people to accept as a friendly competition, if that's something that appeals. It's only a dick measuring contest in the sense that ANY competition is one. It's a competition. Someone is gonna be fastest, and someone else is gonna be slowest.

Now, I've already set it up so that it's a little like golf. Anyone 60+ gets a roughly 10% handicap (SCY --> SCM). If you want to suggest something where people can also hit from the white tees, then feel free. I don't know what that would look like though.

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It's all good from my end. Someone has to be slowest, and maybe my slowest times will give others lurking a bar to shoot for (ex: "I can beat that guy, but I'm not posting anything, I'll just go do it on my own").

I think by Oct 31 I'll have a few more times in. Today will be a bit sluggish after yesterday's 6200m in the pool.

I didnt realize this was a swimming thread until I clicked on it yesterday..I thought it was you guys betting the kona race. I did a 2:43 this weekend for my 200IM in scm at a meet. Maybe I'll try to get some 50s in this week but I could probably just tell you what my times would be with reasonable accuracy.

I got the Form swim goggles about a week ago and have been using them in practice. I really like the app and being able to review my workout after the fact. There were a few glitches like it was recording my butterfly as breaststroke and you have to go into "drills mode" for kicking or drills which I tend to do a bunch of at the beginning of practice.

I dont think you need to do anything to generate more participation here just be welcoming to people who do finally participate.

Welcome to the club! Don't forget to post your age along with splits so I can add you to the leaderboard (especially age). If you wanna do it as a broken 200, then you can resubmit those times too.

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Maybe I'll try to get some 50s in this week but I could probably just tell you what my times would be with reasonable accuracy. //

Ha, good one dude(or dudette). No, you don't get to tell us what you would have done, you actually have to swim them! (-; By the looks of your overall 200IM time you just did, it should be no problem to set up a main set of lots of easy stuff, with 4x50's fast in there. You get to dive on the fly only, the other 3 are push offs. It will actually be interesting to see how much faster you are by doing separate 50's with rest, you are the only one I think who actually raced a 200IM this month. And don't forget your age for AG awards..(-;

Hey guys,

Ok so I have some updated times Jason... ugh, ready?

Backstroke: 33.50 -- I was pleasantly surprised by this. I had good walls and that helps a ton. Had she said 32.5 I would have been shocked and had she said (the coach timing me) 34.5 I would not have been shocked. But there you have it. That freakin stroke... glad thats done.

Breast: 36.1 -- again, pleasantly surprised. I did it this am at the end of a 5k workout. Kind of feel like taking another crack at it but Im ok with it.

Now I need to do free and with a fly split of 27.5 I basically have to push a 24 to get around 200 for the 200 YARD im.. I know it isnt meters.

Im at 1:37.1 for the 150.. so correction. I would need to push a 22.9 to get 200.. HAHAHAHAHA...

Tomorrow am is my "distance swim day" typically we do 400s and higher .. so, I will be plenty warmed up to go for it. But NO WAY am I breaking 24 let alone 23!

If my free goes well and I crack a 24.5 or so, I may get up and dive in for another 50 fly and see if I cant take a second off there.

All for now, hope you had a great weekend.

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Yeah I’ll put the time in for the leaderboard. I think dev also did his as a continuous 2IM, just that he got splits.

Curious about those form goggles, if they do split tracking and wore them in the meet then use those splits. Otherwise he’ll be split less.

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Dev and Jason,

not to put myself in the middle of your convo but here we go...

i wonder how many reading this thread actually tried it but then didn't post..? sure it's just a data point, but I would bet there are a couple.

Both of you have great points and this was a motivating challenge for me this month. And I have done the 100/100 too.

Long story short: we should do these things. Bc not doing them means no one takes part. If people silently do it, fine. If they are intimidated, sorry. But by not doing it, then there is zero chance we motivate ANY one. Swimmer or not.
I believe dev was just meaning or meaning to ask maybe(?) how we market this to get more participation. It's nice Dev! You're a nice guy!! But I think (politely) that isn't jason's responsibility.

Ok Ill shut up now and go for a run. See if my freakin leg will actually let me

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Yeah, I get that was Dev's angle, or I think it was anyway (correct me if I'm wrong there, bud..)

I guess my thing is that I'm just putting it out there because it's fun for me. If other's want to join in, then great! If not, well, I'm OK with that too.

As of now, we've got nearly 4300 views on this thing, so maybe there are people doing it and not posting (that's fine as well), or maybe it's just planting a seed in some folks that will germinate in the spring, or maybe it's just causing a bunch of people to mutter to themselves "look at those fools.." (that's OK too.....)

I would like to believe that there's a Vegas betting line on the outcomes here. I've got nearly 5 seconds to make up on Monty, wonder what odds I'm getting. ;-)

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i wonder how many reading this thread actually tried it but then didn't post..? sure it's just a data point, but I would bet there are a couple. //

I was thinking the same thing, for every poster, there was a lurker that did some or all of the challenge, just because it was here. But yes, this was not a mass participation event, it was for a small % of the fishes still swimming right now. And a lot of the regulars are off now too, so really just a boost to the few of us looking for some distraction and motivation. I think Dev is looking for something like the 100/100, but other than the guppy challenges dan has promoted, pretty hard to get mass participation in swimming. OF course there are the total yardage ones, but that just doesnt go well with swimming fishes, and not really a metric we cue off of. Perhaps when it gets closer to spring, we could do a full virtual meet to coincide with masters nationals meets, that could get a lot more interested. Then we could have 1650's or 1500's, maybe even a 3k/5k. But unfortunately nothing we do here will ever surpass the guppy challenges, as in the real lakes, lots more guppies than big fish...

The goggles definitely do split tracking. You can set it up for 50 or 100 splits. It does flash 25 splits when you flip also but that is a little too much info I don't think the app records 25 splits. It is actually easy to ignore display especially when its sunny out The app is really good to review your swims after practice and records your total yardage and actual time swimming and every set is broken down with total time and splits. Wearing the goggles would be illegal and a DQ in a meet though. If I was a distance swimmer I would be tempted to wear them in a local meet and let them DQ me. The info is so valuable and a good training tool. I was doing some 300s in practice and coming in around 3:45 but reviewing my splits were like a 1:11 and a couple 1:17s so it told me the truth that my stamina sucks. Without the data I actually thought I was just cruising 1:15s at an even pace. thats scy btw

I have some real splits times from my 100s at the meet. 100 fly my first 50 split was a 32.8. and free I did a 31.4/33.7 so I will call it a 32.5. I cant beat those in practice so I'll submit those along with some back/breast times I'll do this week. For reference my 100IM time at the meet was a 1:15 but I don't think my broken 200 will be faster than 2:30. I don't know what that means I'm not a sprinter I guess. 53yo male

looks like you could be first here --> https://forum.slowtwitch.com/...;;page=unread#unread

post your results there so we can get that party started...

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This post motivated me to do a timed, max-effort 50 back for the first time in about 35 years. And I was pleasantly surprised with the outcome. I've been working on improving my technique recently, mostly via sets of hard, but not all-out 25's. A year ago, my 25 back repeats were as slow, and sometimes slower, than similar breaststroke sets. I've seen some improvement, but didn't really realize how much faster I'd be on a 50 back vs 50 breast.

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I would like to believe that there's a Vegas betting line on the outcomes here. I've got nearly 5 seconds to make up on Monty, wonder what odds I'm getting. ;-) //

No more than 2 to 1. Suit up and you got 4 seconds right there, then hold your breath one extra time on each 50, and you have me crushed. Just don't wait until the night of the 31st to post it, you gotta give me one last chance!! And was wondering what some of the fishes think is a good handicap for a full race 200IM off of split 50's? I'm only going to be 64 this year, so the old fuck in the fast guys ocean still. Used to be after 60 you were home free, tops 10's were just a matter of hard work and some persistence. But looking at last years nationals for 60-64, I would have had to swam a 2;19 or better for top 10. I just don't think I can do that anymore, what the hell is going on out there!


I think with some more sprint training(vs absolutely 0 up to now) I could maybe get the virtual just under 2;10. Do we think that maybe 9 seconds is possible for the full? I think that may be wishful thinking, probably just have to wait for another year to the 65+ AG. But the fast times have not only followed me through the decades, they have accelerated!

You’re safe for at least one more day. Practice tonight was a lactate tolerance thingy, 200 flat out, then 2x50 recovery, then 2x100 flat out on 1:50 then the recovery again, then 4x50 flat out on :50 2 50s recovery, then 8x25 flat out on 30. I was just trying to keep down my dinner by the time we got to the 50s.

I had nothing left for another fast 50.

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All good guys. Daved is correct, if it gives people the motivation to try privately and not post it actually still achieves its goal (just like FTP threads, if your FTP is 210W, you may go get motivated to get to 225W because some 355W guy only go to 365W....relatively speaking you beat him).

OK as you would expect after a big volume day I had no snap today. I only got to 44s on the 50 fly SCM and 43 seconds on the 50 free. I did not even bother with the back and breast today. I'll give all 4 a go each of the 3 remaining days but I don't think I'll get to the target numbers I put up earlier in the thread. If I can get to 42+49+55+40 that would be awesome (3:06 SCM with no dive for fly)...lets see.

Ok new entry - M/36/SCM

Today, first day working out in the pool since August (Masters takes a break for Girl's High School Season).

400 Mix Warmup
3x(3x50 Descend 1-3) #3 Fly 33 (push), #6 Back 33, #9 Breast 39)
3x(3x100, 50easy) Round 1 first 50 free of 3rd 100 Fast Free :32, Round 2 IM avg 1:24, Round 3 Pull 1:12 avg

2000m

33/33/39/32 - 2:17

I'll take that considering the circumstances...

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Crap, if i thought I was already slow, at the rate we are going we're going to have Lochte and Phelps show for this.

By the way for your 10x400IM workout, how much rest between 400's? (I did 13x400IM + 1x200IM on my 54th birthday), kind of inspired by your talk about 10x400IM as one of your old workouts. One of the older Ontario Gents Andy Ritchie raced the Montreal Olympics at age 17 and did a 4:28 400IM on the old rules and we're joking around that the Andy Ritchie approved version is 25x400IM.

hmm - short course (yards) they were probably on a 1:10 base, so 4:40 and long course a 1:20 base so 5:20. I'd guess on a set like that it was probably 15-20 second rest, though it varied because sometimes there was descending involved. i.e. descend 1-4, hold 5, descend 6-9 faster, hold 10. Other times it'd be rotating through the 100 fast of each stroke, or 50/50 fast smooth, etc.

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Ok OCT CHALLENGE COMPLETE!

Did my dist workout this am
Main set was:

475 on 6
500 on 6
450 on 6
500 on 6
425 on 6
500 on 6

THEN I did my 50 free, leg cramps and all ha.
26.7

So IM complete.
Thanks Jason for organizing this.

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well done.

I'm sliding down the leaderboard. I'm going to have to figure out a way to get in the pool before the end of the month. I usually swim Sun / Mon / Thurs, but this week isn't working out like that. Sunday night I couldn't make it to masters (wife had a date with her girlfriends) so I went to lane swim instead and had to share with a couple of ladies who I was lapping every 100m or so just doing steady stuff. I wasn't about to sprint as hard as I could. and Thursday is Halloween, so not swimming then either.

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So... I was poking around the interwebs looking for a training log template that I could use for swimming. Trainingpeaks isn't really built for it so I might have to roll my own.

came across this link - https://swimmingwizard.com/tools-for-coaches/

at the bottom of the page there's a section called Jon Urbanchek's Excel Sheets for Aerobic Distance Training. So I click on it, just expecting a basic template. Little did I know that this would be populated with times and initials. you might recognize some of them (you were at Michigan, right?). Little gold mine from the past...

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OK at my ability level and age I was targeting 30-40 seconds of rest. Not sure I'd survive on 15-20.

I kind of equate this to the 10x1 mile workout I used to do when I was a half decent runner (for age grouper).

I'm a Wisconsin Badger thank you very much.

But yes, on the 300avg set page this is, Erik Vendt, Peter Vanderkaay, Michael Phelps, Klete Keller, Mark Warkentin maybe?, Haley Piersol. Kalyn Keller's on there too too. Matt Patton is on the 400 test page. Connor Dwyer, Davis Tarwarter on the 200 test page. Man that's a good find.

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Looks like you win. I gave the breast leg 2 more attempts this evening, improved a little bit (43 and 42.5)! Which I think gets me down to a 2:17.

Ah well, next time....

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Looks like you win//

No Jason, you, I, and all the rest that took part won. I think your little challenge here was a great catalyst to get our butts in the water just a bit more than usual, and certainly to go a bit harder than otherwise in some gut busting 50's.. thanks man..best swimming shape I have been in for at least a year I bet.

Last swim of the month this morning. I did a fast 50 fly from a dive for a 30.5 which takes me to a 2:14 SCM combined.

This was fun - made me push myself a little more than I typically would this time of year.

what is this "everyone's a winner" crap? You goin' soft on me now?

in the immortal words of the Highlander - "there can be only one"

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got my video for the free the other day, just dropped it on youtube.

not quite as ugly as I thought it would be, but still things to work on. I eff'd up the 2nd 25, tried to go the last 15m no-breath. that was clearly too much. Gonna play around with the underwaters a bit too, see if I can get a little better by going with a bigger undulation and try to catch more water on each kick.

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I went ahead and did all 4 50s yesterday since I felt pretty good in warmup.

Structured it for each stroke 4x50s descend 1-4 on a minute and then do ez 50 free and rest a minute and do my 50 time trial. did back and breast first so my fly didnt affect them. I was going to use my new goggles to time myself and compare it to the pace clock but the battery died in warmup.

results in SCY
back 33.5
breast 37.5
fly 30
fr 28.5

thats a 2:09.5, 2:23.74 converted to scm. So I added 20 seconds for my actual swim race from the weekend which was a 2:43.50. back and breast I may have left a fraction early so i added 1/2 second and free I touched and saw 28 turn to 29. surprised by my back/breast though last week i did do 16 sec 25 back and an 18 sec 25 breast so maybe I've gotten a little better there.

Leaderboard updated with just 1 more day.

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2020 National Masters Champion - M50-54 - 50m Butterfly

What do you suggest as a WU and activation before going for these full out 50's ? Haven't tried that in decades...
My best styles ( ok that was late 70's- 1980') were breast, fly, then free and last, by far was back.

I will escape the house later this evening (20h00 EDT) and soak that wound away from my nurse daughter ( she would scold me for doing this).

Louis :-)

What I do is something like:

800 skps warmup easy, building a little on the last 200 swim

A short set of descending 50’s to “comfortably fast. (7 or 8/10 on the rpe scale)

A round, maybe 2 rounds of the sprinters game

Ie 4x25 going easy/fast. Fast/easy, built, then sprint

Another 100 easy then ready to go.

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Swimming Workout of the Day:

Favourite Swim Sets:

2020 National Masters Champion - M50-54 - 50m Butterfly

I described what I did a couple posts up. It’s similar to what Jason posted. If 4 50s is too much do 25s instead or do 25 stroke and 25 ez free.

I tried, but butterfly just hurts, so I give up......

Back from the pool.
That was .... special.

Age: 52
Pool: 25 m
After the warm up, I started the 50's and it was abvious my bad knee wouldn't take the beating.
So I decided to do the "pull" challenge:

1) 50 free (pull) : 37.5 sec.
2) 50 breast (pull) : 47 sec.
3) 50 back (pull) : 55 sec. How the heck do you do a back flip turn with a pull, I still can't figure out how to do a "new" back flip turn lol.

Then I decided to try a full 50 fly. After the first 25 meters, I knew I was going to be lucky to finish this one. It didn't happen: after 35 m the right calf cramped for good and I had to stop.
4) DNF fly

There.

LOuis :-)

Start out doing one arm butterfly. Do a couple strokes with one arm and then switch to the other. When you are proficient at that there is a drill where you do two stokes with each arm and then two strokes with both arms then repeat

You can finish the fly on another day. Also revisit the set every couple weeks and see if you can improve.

Except I am only just back in the pool 6 weeks ago after I can finally move my shoulders through mostly full range of motion after a combined 5 years recovering from one then the other shoulder injuries.
I am fine with one arm butterfly with side breathing, but two arm is pain, so it ain't going to happen for a while yet.
Unless of course I play the flipper card.....

For me it's a leg problem that appeared since I joined a running group last month.
As an cyclist I wasn't physically prepared to run fast intervals right away.
I'm visiting my physio tomorrow to have the knee and leg checked. I'll probably have to take time off and passively watch the first snow flakes come down ... :-(
I was surprised to "like" the few back strokes I did yesterday. I will definitely add it to my sessions in the future.

Louis :-)

I am not an expert, but if you put your hands beside your thighs (Palms facing thighs) and just do a snow angel motion and bring your hands up over head to 1 o'Clock position and 11 O'Clock (may be more like 2 and 10), then there should be no impact on shoulders. The shoulders are only loaded during the pull so if you can pull during free you can pull during fly. So if your shoulders hurt for fly and not free, its because your core is doing the wrong thing and your timing is off (I have been working on this for 2 years now since I learned how to do fly)....my limitation is core timing given a disc injury and getting the undulation motion strong while I "kick on arm entry and kick on arm exit".

I bet it has nothing to do with your shoulders if you can do one arm fly and everything to to with you core strength and timing if you can do 2 arm fly.

Actually using swim fins is an excellent idea. They can make things a little easier on your shoulders.

bump. It's Nov 1st. last call...

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Swimming Workout of the Day:

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2020 National Masters Champion - M50-54 - 50m Butterfly

Timing is no issue and one arm can be done with the good arm.
If you pull hard with one arm, the other follows and pulls just as hard and as my injured shoulder also has a subluxed AC joint and relies on muscles for support, it f'ing hurts to pull hard in butterfly which is on my stomach, whereas freestyle is swum more on the side and uses more back muscles and less chest muscles than butterfly.
I do four or five strokes and just say "fck this".

Sorry for not reporting in yet. but I finally only got to 42,49,58,42 for a 3:11 SCM from wall push (no dive for fly)...age 54 now

I did not feel comfortable pushing any harder on the breast as it puts some pressure on my disc and I need to be careful, so I generally have a pretty weak kick.

I have a meet on Dec 2 where I'll have 50 times in everything so will be good to see what I can get to in a month