That's actually pretty cool. I kind of like the idea of James Bond retiring or even getting killed some how and then having someone else step in to the 007 designation.

FFS.

Things have clearly got a bit silly now.

I don't bother with Bond movies anymore anyway. The old ones were a great romp, a sort of slightly tongue in cheek bit of action fun. Nowadays they try and make it edgy and gritty and show Bond as flawed and try and tick all the boxes for plot devices and social awareness and all that stuff and they are basically 2 hours of unwatchable, CGI-laden crap.

You would think that the studio leadership would have learned from previous shows that changed an iconic male character to a female character. It worked for Battlestar Galactica but Starbuck was only one character in a group and not the "lead" character. Dr. Who took a big hit when they changed the character from a male to a female, and many people never watched beyond the introduction of the character.

I get it, the studios want to be PC, want to get the female audience into the show, etc., but in the end it is really, really hard to change a title character so much and retain the original audience. We'll see if the Bond writers and directors have those kind of chops.

Bond is a womanizer. That doesn't work as well in today's environ.

I'm not saying that makes me happy. It's a work of fiction. I prefer the classic Bond. Male, chest hair, British, wit, drinker, womanizer, Aston Martin cars only. Please.

it's a publicity stunt to rile the folks who don't read past headlines.

To be fair, the money quote is buried near the bottom, and the article is long and pretty unreadable otherwise.

I think that the " Bond " character should exist in perpetuity. Not interested in a Bond coping with aging and personal struggle. I really did like the first Daniel Craig movie Casino Royal.

I always assumed already that was what was supposed to have been happening. There have been what? 6 guys play him already, spread across 50 years or so with the movies set in all time periods. People weren't pretending they were all the same character were they?

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The new Doctor is pretty good though. The Doctor has always been a weird eclectic character and not really defined by a gender.

Bond is a womanizing playboy, it is core to the character, and thus makes it a poor choice.

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I think you missed the point, they are separating the code name 007 from the person James Bond... Bond was who Bond was.. 007 is just a top secret agent.

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I'm going to disagree on this. Peter Capaldi killed my interest in the show. Jodie Whittiker made me want to watch it again.

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How very Dr. Who of you

Uh but it was the same character... James Bond just the setting was different

Exactly

But that isn't true, OO7 is James Bond's code name. So they are really jumping the shark and dumping all of the history of the series for the sake of being "woke."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/00_Agent

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They were the same character played by different actors. A secret agent named James Bond with the 007 designation.

If the next movie is about 007 with any other name other than James Bond the franchise is dead.

People like escapism

Uh, that was the question. Bond has never been my cup of tea, so I don't know my Bond universe. Is it supposed to be the same person through all the time, movies, and settings or is he like the Dread Pirate Roberts, same name, different guy?

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They could use any other OOXX code name and reboot the series there and it would be a non issue.

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Same guy... back story changed every few decades

Big hit? Hell no.
A hit at all? No.

Last season was the highest rated since the last David Tennant season in 2008. It was the second highest rated season of all 11 revival series - just beating Eccelston's season.
Even the least watched episode last season would have been one of the most watched Capaldi episodes.

Right but then not a James Bond movie

Thanks your link makes my point. There have been 2 002 one dies and another person gets there "spot" no where does it say after a 00 dies/retires that there designation is no longer used, it could be and in the case of 002 has been recycled to another agent.



00 Agents from the Eon film franchise
00-agentNameDescription002Bill Fairbanks, JohnA 002 first appears in Thunderball. He is shot through the neck and killed by Francisco Scaramanga, in Beirut, Lebanon, in 1969 (film version: The Man with the Golden Gun 1974).
In The Living Daylights film, another Agent 002, named "John", played by Glyn Baker; was training at Gibraltar, with 004 and 007. 002 was "killed" and eliminated from the exercise when he landed close to a waiting SAS guard.

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Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
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I disagree the franchise is dead... I think it will continue just like the Rocky movies.. Which are now called creed...
So they transition from James Bond to 007 which I think 007 has played in some of the titles ? (at least the opening sequences if not the title directly)

So is Creed still the Rocky series? I think 007 will do the same, you can decide if its a new franchise or the old one.. I think in both cases its still the same franchise.

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Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

No, that's not true. There are multiple 00 designations, and someone fills each spot when the previous agent dies or retires. Same as the code names "M" and "Q".

At least that's how it sometimes works. Looking over the history, it is really unclear. And, there have been 00 women before.

Creed is not a Rocky movie

They will reboot James Bond again. What I really would like to see is it done historically instead of contemporaries ala the Americans

Who says the new 007 won't be a womanizer?

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Jane Bond, the new 007? Please tell me it ain't so. There was a big to-do a few years ago when a black male was going to be the next James Bond. Surprised that a black female (yet alone any female) is being considered.

The publications did a lot of spinning in their latest stories so what exactly happened is not clear. Right after the new series started the UK papers stated that a lot of the previous viewers dropped off, but afterwards a lot of new viewers were recruited, most notably "younger" viewers at the end of the latest season per the two publications I read.

So okay, Capaldi was a bit hard to follow after the previous Dr. Who actors, so there was a big jump in ratings. We stopped watching because the story lines, at least in the first episode with the female actor, did not have the same writers and went into a PC mode with the new writers. I watch SciFi and fantasy programs to escape current life, not reflect it so much.

bad idea and it's not going to work... I wont even netflix it.

That's how you call it google rockie movies and Creed and Creed II are listed. And here is the wiki link for the Rocky series https://en.wikipedia.org/.../Rocky_(film_series)

They also seem to think those 2 are included.

But if you say they are not in your world then yes the James Bond movies are done... But the 007 Franchise will start.

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Agreed. In You Only Live Twice, Bond is transferred to another agency with the number 7777. The position of 007 in MI6 is left vacant, but, could have been filled.

I'm fine with someone other than Bond being 007, if the story line explains it. What I don't like is changing James Bond, himself, into something he is not.

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Agreed. Creed and Creed II are part of the Rocky series according to those who own the rights to the Rocky franchise.

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I agree with you. I remember a few years ago there was talk of Halle Berry's Bond character getting her own movie. And nobody cared. If you want to create a female secret call her 008 and see if the public shows up at the box office.

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Interesting thoughts.

My wife and I talked about this and I think I told her that I never liked Liutenant Yar from Next Generation but love the new Starbuck. When writing a typically male role for a female, or vice vera, it has to really be done well, cast well, written well, and ultimately it has to make sense.

Part of what I think made Starbuck work is that her skills were centered around piloting, which is hypothetically believable to be a fighter ace.

I think the biggest problem bond will face is not the believability of a female super spy (like Natasha Romanov), but that she'd specifically be filling the shoes of a traditionally male, womanizing playboy type character. Its not impossible, but will present a big writing challenge. I would say the same for an all male Charlie's Angels.

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Well then from what I read you should be fine with this, as Bond is retired, and Q calls 007 into the room and its the new women. Assume story moves on from there like most Bond movies did. Really doesn't need to be a big James goodbye party, Could be a cold, fast transition.

I am not a Bond fan, don't hate the movies just never seem to get around to watching them, can't tell you the last one I watched.

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Sacrilegious to the history of James Bond

Not sure I agree with this. The Doctor has frequently exhibited some pretty traditional male roles, including some of the relationships they’ve had with their companions.

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Why from everything that has been posted it seem to follow the rules of succession James is retiring and there is going to be a new 007.

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I feel like I'm open minded about most of this type of stuff, but a female bond just feels pointless. Just go with a whole new franchise. At this point, what's the Bond name really buying you anyway?

We're 42 posts in.

I am pretty with you here. Bond is a guy. Mostly because he is a womanizer + gadgets + cars + Mi6. I am not saying you cant flip that on its head and make the spy a Femme Fatale but that just doesnt play into the lore of bond/007. its like if charlie' angles were dudes.

However, at the end of the day, I understand that the 007/bond franchise carries so much weight with it that people will go see a bond movie, to see a bond movie. They may not go see a 008 movie. So from the prospective of Hollywood/current licensing, I get why.

Who will be the first critic who will dare to write a negative review about a black female Bond and expose himself/herself to being called woman hating racist?

You realize James Bond is still a white guy, right?

I know that. But if we have 007 Jane Bond and it flops who will be the racists to blame? Audience? Critics? Someone gotta be guilty...

Blame me. I'm getting accused of lots of shit these days. I'll probably be accused of being on the grassy knoll next even though I wasn't born yet

Who did they blame when the Oceans XX (I forget) movie flopped?

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I haven't seen that come to cable at all. Worse than the remade Ghostbusters?

It wasn't that those movies were redone with women. It was that they were redone with women badly.

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Like many things. If the movie is a good movie most will not care. If the movie stinks, people will blame it on that.

I have no problem with 007 being a woman. It would be strange if James Bond was a women. Very similar to if Bruce Wayne was a women or Selena Kyle was a man.

I think it's a great idea...just like the female Ghost Busters movie and Oceans 8.

I think this must be Daniel Craig's last Bond movie. It almost piques my interest enough to see it to see how and why they bring him out of retirement.

I'm perfectly fine with agent 007 being a black woman. I think it's confused many that it's just a re-use of the agent code. The next Bond movie isn't going to have a black woman lead. NTTAWWT. It just wouldn't be a Bond movie, simply because James Bond isn't a black woman.

I predict that the next Bond movie will reboot the Bond character with a new male actor as 007. Just my guess.

It actually wasn’t terrible, but it was pretty blatantly just a female rip off of the regular Oceans formula.

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They did a female secret agent movie just a couple of years ago, Atomic Blonde, starring Charlize Theron. It did ok, about $100 million in box office. In comparison, Spectre, the most recent Bond film, has north of $800 million. If we stick to a new IP however, say John Wick, that only has in the realm of $90 million.

It could work, but you have to make a decent movie and divorce the character from Bond. As I and others have said, you could easily make the next agent 00X and pick whatever number you want. You could build a 00 universe with a bunch of movies featuring different agents, and then bring them together for some spectacular Avengers style movie.

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Remember the Bourne movies though. They were excellent... until the one with Jeremy Renner which was crap.

..and the last one - which was an even bigger pile of shite

So just like Ocean's 12 and 13 ripped off Oceans 11. And looking on the wiki's, better domestic gross and very similar critic scores on a smaller budget.

Not sure I heard an outcry when that movie was redone with men twice. Or Ghostbusters 2, wtf was that movie?

It isn't female casting that is causing the issue. It is bad remakes. Stop blaming the womins.

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That is exactly what I was thinking. I would be more likely to follow several agents of Mi6 in a set of movies, that way Bond can still be Bond, and you can have every flavor of human interest you want as an agent.

They have only once reused an agent code name and it was at the very beginning, hardly makes it "canon."

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Hollywood really loves killing franchises, don't they?

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I have no idea what you are talking about...

Well, there’s a difference, even if only conceptually, between a sequel to a successful movie with the same people, and “reimagining” a movie with an entirely different cast, especially going from a group of men to a group of women.

The main problem being, sometimes the desire to have an all woman cast, or to cast minorities, comes at the expense of making a movie with good acting or plot. Sometimes that’s true with sequels too, but ideologically, it’s different.

The all female Ghostbusters was bad because the writing was shitty, and the women were not entertaining in their roles. It just adds insult to injury that people know the only reason that crap movie got made was to prove some sort of point about having funny women being just as good as funny men.

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That part I can definitely agree with. I think I'd feel different about a female 007 than Ocean's or Ghostbusters. It would still be in the flow of the series. For the other two they came back many years later with no talk about the movies in the decade or two between movies and decided to trade on the name just to get a female-centric movie.

But if the writing, directing, and producing of any of those was top notch no one would be bitching. It wouldn't detract at all from the movie if it was good, but I agree, it does amplify it when it sucks.

It shows they were just riding a current trend to make a buck, not tell a story. I'm not sure Jar Jar is any less offensive if Darth is a woman though. So I'm back to it being the fact the movie sucked more than it being women.

How about they just stop shitting on previously good movies?

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I agree. They tossed the SJW's a bone. I think it's all smoke and mirrors and the next Bond movie is a complete reboot.

I don't have a problem with a woman being 007, but then it's not a James Bond movie. Like the Creed movies, Rocky is in them, but to me, they aren't Rocky movies. I wonder if there will be "Bond Men" with outrageous names like Pussy Galore. Maybe Dick Throbbin?

I wanted to see Idris Elba as the next Bond.

Hmmmm. I've read talk about them casting Idris Elba as the next Bond. Maybe the black female Bond is being filmed/considered to lesson the negative impact from those who wouldn't want a black Bond.

Personally, I think Elba would do great as JB. Though as Slowguy suggested above - they could open up the franchise by casting him as another 00X character so they could get several different movie lines going. I love the idea of them have multiple story lines and then converging.

I believe Idris said he didn't want the role. I want a younger Bond. Give me someone who is 30-35. I don't mind a female secret agent, but not as 007/Bond. Make her a 00 agent, give her a good back story/personality and have them team up from time to time a la Avengers.