That's actually pretty cool. I kind of like the idea of James Bond retiring or even getting killed some how and then having someone else step in to the 007 designation.

FFS.

Things have clearly got a bit silly now.

I don't bother with Bond movies anymore anyway. The old ones were a great romp, a sort of slightly tongue in cheek bit of action fun. Nowadays they try and make it edgy and gritty and show Bond as flawed and try and tick all the boxes for plot devices and social awareness and all that stuff and they are basically 2 hours of unwatchable, CGI-laden crap.

You would think that the studio leadership would have learned from previous shows that changed an iconic male character to a female character. It worked for Battlestar Galactica but Starbuck was only one character in a group and not the "lead" character. Dr. Who took a big hit when they changed the character from a male to a female, and many people never watched beyond the introduction of the character.

I get it, the studios want to be PC, want to get the female audience into the show, etc., but in the end it is really, really hard to change a title character so much and retain the original audience. We'll see if the Bond writers and directors have those kind of chops.

Bond is a womanizer. That doesn't work as well in today's environ.

I'm not saying that makes me happy. It's a work of fiction. I prefer the classic Bond. Male, chest hair, British, wit, drinker, womanizer, Aston Martin cars only. Please.

it's a publicity stunt to rile the folks who don't read past headlines.

To be fair, the money quote is buried near the bottom, and the article is long and pretty unreadable otherwise.

I think that the " Bond " character should exist in perpetuity. Not interested in a Bond coping with aging and personal struggle. I really did like the first Daniel Craig movie Casino Royal.

I always assumed already that was what was supposed to have been happening. There have been what? 6 guys play him already, spread across 50 years or so with the movies set in all time periods. People weren't pretending they were all the same character were they?

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I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.

The new Doctor is pretty good though. The Doctor has always been a weird eclectic character and not really defined by a gender.

Bond is a womanizing playboy, it is core to the character, and thus makes it a poor choice.

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I think you missed the point, they are separating the code name 007 from the person James Bond... Bond was who Bond was.. 007 is just a top secret agent.

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Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
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I'm going to disagree on this. Peter Capaldi killed my interest in the show. Jodie Whittiker made me want to watch it again.

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How very Dr. Who of you

Uh but it was the same character... James Bond just the setting was different

Exactly

But that isn't true, OO7 is James Bond's code name. So they are really jumping the shark and dumping all of the history of the series for the sake of being "woke."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/00_Agent

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They were the same character played by different actors. A secret agent named James Bond with the 007 designation.

If the next movie is about 007 with any other name other than James Bond the franchise is dead.

People like escapism

Uh, that was the question. Bond has never been my cup of tea, so I don't know my Bond universe. Is it supposed to be the same person through all the time, movies, and settings or is he like the Dread Pirate Roberts, same name, different guy?

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I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.

They could use any other OOXX code name and reboot the series there and it would be a non issue.

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Same guy... back story changed every few decades

Big hit? Hell no.
A hit at all? No.

Last season was the highest rated since the last David Tennant season in 2008. It was the second highest rated season of all 11 revival series - just beating Eccelston's season.
Even the least watched episode last season would have been one of the most watched Capaldi episodes.

Right but then not a James Bond movie

Thanks your link makes my point. There have been 2 002 one dies and another person gets there "spot" no where does it say after a 00 dies/retires that there designation is no longer used, it could be and in the case of 002 has been recycled to another agent.



00 Agents from the Eon film franchise
00-agentNameDescription002Bill Fairbanks, JohnA 002 first appears in Thunderball. He is shot through the neck and killed by Francisco Scaramanga, in Beirut, Lebanon, in 1969 (film version: The Man with the Golden Gun 1974).
In The Living Daylights film, another Agent 002, named "John", played by Glyn Baker; was training at Gibraltar, with 004 and 007. 002 was "killed" and eliminated from the exercise when he landed close to a waiting SAS guard.

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Just Triing
Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

I disagree the franchise is dead... I think it will continue just like the Rocky movies.. Which are now called creed...
So they transition from James Bond to 007 which I think 007 has played in some of the titles ? (at least the opening sequences if not the title directly)

So is Creed still the Rocky series? I think 007 will do the same, you can decide if its a new franchise or the old one.. I think in both cases its still the same franchise.

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Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

No, that's not true. There are multiple 00 designations, and someone fills each spot when the previous agent dies or retires. Same as the code names "M" and "Q".

At least that's how it sometimes works. Looking over the history, it is really unclear. And, there have been 00 women before.