More military flag officers, more upper level GS positions at the Pentagon, more real estate with more facilities, more overlap with existing organizations. What's not to like!



"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military–industrial complex."


President Dwight D. Eisenhower, Jan 17th, 1961

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"Human existence is based upon two pillars: Compassion and knowledge. Compassion without knowledge is ineffective; Knowledge without compassion is inhuman." Victor Weisskopf.

"Space Marines." 'Nuff said. ;-)

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"Politics is just show business for ugly people."

It you mean that same DoD that said almost no one wa to this? Shocking.

See Air Force bubba Alvin Tostig's post. That's probably why DoD has all-of-a-sudden gotten some of that old-time religion regarding the Colonial Imperial United Space Force (with Space Marines!) or whatever it's going to be called. ;-)

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"Politics is just show business for ugly people."

We should opt for "Space Sailors." That way, we can refer to them as the SS and put all the negativity of that abbreviation behind us because we're the good guys, blowing up Nazi aliens and communist planets and shit.

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Travis Rassat
Vector Cycle Works
Noblesville, IN
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"Squids in Space." Eh... ;-)

What would naval gunfire in space be called? I remember us being co-located with those old ANGLICO units and we got into that discussion with them about naval gunfire and if it's still "naval" if it's not coming from guns out on the water. ;-)

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"Politics is just show business for ugly people."

My junior high brain saw "naval" as "belly button." I don't think anybody really needs to know what my next logical progression was... lol!

With that said, since traditional gunfire won't work especially well without oxygen, are we going with some sort of electromagnetic rail gun tech or huge frickin' lasers or what? We need some serious "pew pew pew!" stuff for taking out bad asteroids. I don't think throwing packets of Tang at 'em is gonna amount to much...

Oooh - there we go, back to your question: It's not "naval fire", it's "Tang Bang."

That might be the dumbest thing I've ever written, but I'm still giggling, so I'm leaving it. :)

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Travis Rassat
Vector Cycle Works
Noblesville, IN
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It's funny to call some of this "new." We stood up U.S. Space Command as a Unified Combatant Command back in '85. It merged into STRATCOM in '02, but we're basically just bringing back what we already had.

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Slowguy

(insert pithy phrase here...)

That's AWESOME! :-)

On a side note, I'm reading some hard sci-fi right now (the stuff that's accurate in terms of astrophysics, etc.) and the ships of the space force in it, on both sides, use rail guns along with a few other goodies.

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"Politics is just show business for ugly people."

How much is this gonna cost? We can't even get rid of the stupid SLS, which is a real money pit. I don't have any faith in military contracting after the F-35 boondoggle.

If you want a real space force just give Bezos and Musk money to make their rockets. You'll be able to put more military assets into orbit than all the other nations combined. But we know what the orange haired wonder thinks of these real, not fake, billionaires.

Yes, but you did not create a big enough black hole to throw money into. Fuck me.

I want anyone who wants this to explain why we can't provide health care for everyone through the government because it is too expensive.

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I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.

How can you afford health care when you have this very important new millitary branch to start?

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How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

there's a morel in there somewhere!?

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Steve

No idea. I don't think mushrooms grow in desert climates though.

Really? I'd no idea ;-)

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Steve

BLeP wrote:

How can you afford health care when you have this very important new millitary branch to start?

What's your country's GDP versus our GDP? We could probably fund so-called "health care" just from the money we blow on video games annually.

Eh, our health care is just fine. And at least we're not openly encouraging "problem" (i.e. high-cost) patients to select euthanasia. I mean, "assisted suicide." Unlike a certain other country (cough, cough) we all know and love. ;-)




Chronically ill man releases audio of hospital staff offering assisted death

"In the first recording from September 2017, a medical worker is heard telling Foley that he will be charged some $1,500 a day if he stays at the hospital.

Foley labels the attempt as illegal coercion and says his preferences have already been violated. He asks what the plan is for him moving forward.

“Roger, this is not my show,” the man responds. “I told you my piece of this was to talk to you about if you had interest in assisted dying.”

In the other audio recording, reportedly from January 2018, a medical worker is heard asking Foley if he would like to pursue assisted suicide and whether he has had thoughts of self-harm. Foley says he feels like he wants to end his life because of his experience at the hospital, but that if he were given self-directed home care, he would “be fine.”

“You can just apply to get assisted, if you wanted to end your life, you know what I mean?” the medical worker says. “You don’t have to do it in some dramatic manner, you can just apply.”

“Well, they already presented the outcome option to me, but it’s like, Why force me to end my life?” says Foley."

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"Politics is just show business for ugly people."

And digging G-damn fighting positions!! ;-)

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"Politics is just show business for ugly people."

Yup that’s disgusting.

And you guys are now protected from ET attacking and getting revenge.

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How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

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Suffer Well.

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"What's your claim?" - Ben Gravy
"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin

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Suffer Well.

200 years from now, after Earth has a unified government, when Cadets enter the Space Force Academy dreaming of becoming Captain of the Starship Enterprise, they will know little of United States History. They'll vaguely know that Washington was the first President of a former sovereign jurisdiction on Earth and other than him they'll only know the name of Donald Trump, who founded the Space Force.

Indeed, my prediction contains an error. 200 years from now, Enterprise will have no meaning, except as a purveyor of rental shuttles. The first Starship capable of Warp Speed will be called the USS Trump.

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See, that's why I'll never try LSD. I'm too afraid to end up with a trip like the one you're on <shudder>


:)

So what you are saying is like all things founded by Trump, that Space Force will declare bankruptcy?

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How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

We should all be grateful that the U.S forces are "still deployed in the desert". That's where the bad guys are and keeping them there, and getting rid of them, is far better than the alternative.

Rumsfeld, is that you?

so we are going to have "space force" without a way to actually get into space on our own?

Don't get bogged down by silly details. You have to look at the big picture. We can just hitch a ride with the Russians when we need to. And everyone knows that most space scenes are just shot on the back lot of Universal Studios..

Besides, the real payoff here is how much money we can throw at defense contractors. We don't even need to go to space, we can just say we tried.

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I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.

I can't tell you if the use of force in Space today would last five days, or five weeks, or five months, but it certainly isn't going to last any longer than that.

Elon Musk to the rescue!


He must be loving all this talk of a Space Force.

Remember the good old days when America had space races with other world superpowers? We’ve sunk so low we have to compete against our own citizens now. #MAGA

at first i thought.......surely someone in the cabinet has the balls to speak out on what a stupid idea this is......but then....Trump does no what was found at Roswell.

Come on legislative branch - time to step up. Fiscal conservatives - think of the cost. The rest can just think. Space is one area where the international community is getting on quite well, don't let him screw it up.

I did actually hear someone on NPR a few nights ago talk about China and Russia building out weapons that can target satellites, he disagreed with the creation of the space force but did say that the Air Force isn't really equipped for space missions and that there's a chance 'battles' are waged over satellite technology...it seems like a lot of damage could be done if a country wanted to start taking out satellites.

It is 75 years later and this sentiment often attributed to Einstein from the 40's still holds.

“I do not know with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.”

I would think that in any large scale war that involves any 2 or more of the world powers, satellites will be taken out pretty quickly.

Hopefully I will be moldering in the ground by then.

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I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.

Well we have space cadet (bonespurs) now for prez.....send him up to mars now.

need a big rocket - he's no jockey

......and what did the martians do to you?

You mean like making it great again...?

"Space Marines." 'Nuff said. ;-)[/quote]

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RayGovett
Hughson CA
Be Prepared-- Strike Swiftly -- Who Dares Wins- Without warning-"it will be hard. I can do it"

Only thing that missing would be if The Donald ended his treet with ''and the Martians are going to pay for it''!

Seriously though, this is the same thing the two Bush administrations tried to push on us but now it's on steroids. Instead of just a satelite defense system, we get a whole new military division with everything that goes with it.

Seriously again, if you consider yourself a fiscal conservative, you better vote against these guys before they spend every cent that this country can borrow!

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''Sweeney - you can both crush your AG *and* cruise in dead last!! 😂 '' Murphy's Law

I'm not voting for anyone, at least for some time. I didn't vote in last Tuesday's primaries and I'm not voting in November. First time I'm not voting since I first voted in 1978. If I wasn't home on leave, I voted absentee. No matter where I lived, I voted. No longer.

Also, there's this: ;-)

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"Politics is just show business for ugly people."

Great pic, but this is really not the time to give up voting. For both parties!

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''Sweeney - you can both crush your AG *and* cruise in dead last!! 😂 '' Murphy's Law

Yeah, I'm gonna get right on that voting thing just as soon as the Uniparty actually becomes at least two (preferably three or four) legitimate political parties. In the meantime... ;-)


Covfefe!

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"Politics is just show business for ugly people."

Just wait. This could be the crowning achievement of the Trump administration. Twenty years from now all you haters will be looking back and thinking, "I could have joined up. I could have traveled to the Tannhauser Gate, helped save the planet from the genetically altered bugs of Emperor Xi, and spent my downtime teaching green women to love."

I went back to find video of when he first mentions "Space Force" and I'm just reminded that America elected our crazy old uncle to be President.

Was thinking of something similar since satellites are seemingly just flying around, orbiting the earth totally exposed without any kind of defence mechanism. Like how hard would it be for some kind of spacecraft (manned or unmanned) to attach itself to a foreign satellite and disable it, steal its contents, memory, change its directory, or whatever (maybe its harder than it sounds)? Of course, simply blowing a satellite up creates dangerous space junk which isn't a good idea. Would be interesting to see how countries respond to such technology or build satellites that can defend themselves from such attacks. I wonder what the current international laws are regarding this issue. Maybe its already going on. It seems the US, Russia, China are always launching secret rockets into space.