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Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [cerveloguy]
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This dumpster fire of an administration is going to be a giant stain on our history for quite some time
who's smarter than you're? i'm!
who's smarter than you're? i'm!
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [veganerd]
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I'd like to think the Trump Administration will one day learn that words have consequences.
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [cerveloguy]
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At least there was an apology to Britain. Can't say the same about the last asshole who pissed on that relationship.
"In the world I see you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Towers. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying stripes of venison on the empty car pool lane of some abandoned superhighway." T Durden
"In the world I see you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Towers. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying stripes of venison on the empty car pool lane of some abandoned superhighway." T Durden
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [cerveloguy]
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Of all the things he has done you are upset about THAT!
Where was your outrage when Hilary sent the Queen of England a birthday greeting a week before her birthday in 2010?
You are a HYPOCRITE !!!!!!!
:)
Where was your outrage when Hilary sent the Queen of England a birthday greeting a week before her birthday in 2010?
You are a HYPOCRITE !!!!!!!
:)
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [Sanuk]
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Didn't Obama send an iPod with Barak Obama speeches?
http://hotair.com/...des-obamas-speeches/
"In the world I see you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Towers. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying stripes of venison on the empty car pool lane of some abandoned superhighway." T Durden
http://hotair.com/...des-obamas-speeches/
"In the world I see you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Towers. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying stripes of venison on the empty car pool lane of some abandoned superhighway." T Durden
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [TheForge]
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TheForge wrote:
Didn't Obama send an iPod with Barak Obama speeches?http://hotair.com/...des-obamas-speeches/[/quote[/url]] this is one of those subjects that you will just need to let folks have fun with IMO. It goes like this. GWB destroyed our standing around the world and had us on the brink of WW3. Obama came in and saved our standing around the world in minutes (see Nobel Prize). Trump came in and destroyed all Obama's hard work (prior to even getting into office).
We are an embarrassment and a dumpster fire and a shit show. Except to those like Sanuk who's position is the US and Canada are largely irrelevant outside ourselves (unless Trump is doing something "wrong" in which case see above).
Blah blah blah etc etc etc.
Fleck will lead the charge on our standing in the international community, how much it is being damaged and how we don't realize that the world is more global now and this stuff really matters more than it use to. Oh, and how international incidents have been started with softer words than (insert topic here) before.
It's more fun to sit back on this one and watch the topic change while the positions stay the same. Speaking from a historically observing viewpoint.
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [ironmayb]
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Except to those like Sanuk who's position is the US and Canada are largely irrelevant outside ourselves (unless Trump is doing something "wrong" in which case see above).
The only problem is that that isn't my position at all.
When I said in another thread that the U.S and Canada are largely irrelevant to the outside world, I was of course referring to the average person. The overwhelming majority of people on the street in Thailand or the Philippines or Indonesia or Korea don't follow the politics in the U.S or Canada. If I had a survey right now in Thailand and asked 100 people on the street to name the VP of the U.S., my bet you would get 0, maybe 1 if you're lucky. You can believe it or not but most people, in their daily lives, care more about school for their kids, having enough to eat or working and they don't follow U.S or Canadian politics at all. In that sense, what goes on here is largely irrelevant. And, they don't care to know.
In fact, if I asked 100 people in Chicago, who the Prime Minister of Canada is, how many would know? How many would know the Deputy Prime Minister (I bet no more than 10/100 would know in Canada). How many of those people would know who the VP of the U.S is right now?
I think many people overestimate the importance of their own country but the fact is, most people don't give anything outside of their own community a lot of thought.
The only problem is that that isn't my position at all.
When I said in another thread that the U.S and Canada are largely irrelevant to the outside world, I was of course referring to the average person. The overwhelming majority of people on the street in Thailand or the Philippines or Indonesia or Korea don't follow the politics in the U.S or Canada. If I had a survey right now in Thailand and asked 100 people on the street to name the VP of the U.S., my bet you would get 0, maybe 1 if you're lucky. You can believe it or not but most people, in their daily lives, care more about school for their kids, having enough to eat or working and they don't follow U.S or Canadian politics at all. In that sense, what goes on here is largely irrelevant. And, they don't care to know.
In fact, if I asked 100 people in Chicago, who the Prime Minister of Canada is, how many would know? How many would know the Deputy Prime Minister (I bet no more than 10/100 would know in Canada). How many of those people would know who the VP of the U.S is right now?
I think many people overestimate the importance of their own country but the fact is, most people don't give anything outside of their own community a lot of thought.
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [TheForge]
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Didn't Obama send an iPod with Barak Obama speeches?
Yes, but you have to get with the program. You don't compare Trump with Obama because both were Presidents.
With something really outrageous happens, you compare him to Hilary since you know, she ran for President.
Yes, but you have to get with the program. You don't compare Trump with Obama because both were Presidents.
With something really outrageous happens, you compare him to Hilary since you know, she ran for President.
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [cerveloguy]
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Fuck those Red Coats!
Revolution!!!!!
Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.
- Chinese proverb
Revolution!!!!!
Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.
- Chinese proverb
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [TheForge]
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TheForge wrote:
At least there was an apology to Britain. Can't say the same about the last asshole who pissed on that relationship.BUT, BUT, BUT...
Love it.
How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [Sanuk]
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Sanuk wrote:
Except to those like Sanuk who's position is the US and Canada are largely irrelevant outside ourselves (unless Trump is doing something "wrong" in which case see above). The only problem is that that isn't my position at all.
When I said in another thread that the U.S and Canada are largely irrelevant to the outside world, I was of course referring to the average person. The overwhelming majority of people on the street in Thailand or the Philippines or Indonesia or Korea don't follow the politics in the U.S or Canada. If I had a survey right now in Thailand and asked 100 people on the street to name the VP of the U.S., my bet you would get 0, maybe 1 if you're lucky. You can believe it or not but most people, in their daily lives, care more about school for their kids, having enough to eat or working and they don't follow U.S or Canadian politics at all. In that sense, what goes on here is largely irrelevant. And, they don't care to know.
In fact, if I asked 100 people in Chicago, who the Prime Minister of Canada is, how many would know? How many would know the Deputy Prime Minister (I bet no more than 10/100 would know in Canada). How many of those people would know who the VP of the U.S is right now?
I think many people overestimate the importance of their own country but the fact is, most people don't give anything outside of their own community a lot of thought.
Of course that's what you were referring to in the other thread. The one where I was directly making the point the that US as a nation is far more relevant to the international community than Canada. So much more relevant and important in fact that I rarely if ever see my politically astute friends from north of the border in this forum discuss Canadian politics but seem preoccupied at an almost obsessive level with US politics. Thanks for clarifying it for me.
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [TheForge]
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What did the last admin do to piss on the relationship? Honestly curious
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [TomkR]
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Well the last president wrote nearly a whole novel on the evils of the British empire and the negative influence it had on western culture. He made no bones that he hated the British for what they did to the middle east and his father's homeland. Nevermind that it was the very british and derivatives of it that paid for his father to come to America to get educated and spread his seed (literally).
1. He removed the bust of Churchill.
2. Reacted in a manner many viewed as an overreaction to BP after the spill.
3. Lectured and threatened the British on their Brexit vote.
4. Declared FRANCE our closest ally, not Britain who has always been there for us, even when wrong (Iraq).
5. Denounced Britain in his Inauguration Speech. One he later put on an iPod to the queen.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/...loathes-British.html
https://www.theguardian.com/...president-in-history
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/...ionship-Britain.html
"In the world I see you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Towers. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying stripes of venison on the empty car pool lane of some abandoned superhighway." T Durden
1. He removed the bust of Churchill.
2. Reacted in a manner many viewed as an overreaction to BP after the spill.
3. Lectured and threatened the British on their Brexit vote.
4. Declared FRANCE our closest ally, not Britain who has always been there for us, even when wrong (Iraq).
5. Denounced Britain in his Inauguration Speech. One he later put on an iPod to the queen.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/...loathes-British.html
https://www.theguardian.com/...president-in-history
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/...ionship-Britain.html
"In the world I see you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Towers. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying stripes of venison on the empty car pool lane of some abandoned superhighway." T Durden
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [ironmayb]
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So much more relevant and important in fact that I rarely if ever see my politically astute friends from north of the border in this forum discuss Canadian politics but seem preoccupied at an almost obsessive level with US politics. Thanks for clarifying it for me.
We're not so much obsessed with your politics as much as dumbfounded by who you elected to be President. I mean, come on, you must admit it's pretty funny.
We're not so much obsessed with your politics as much as dumbfounded by who you elected to be President. I mean, come on, you must admit it's pretty funny.
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [TheForge]
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TheForge wrote:
Well the last president wrote nearly a whole novel on the evils of the British empire and the negative influence it had on western culture. He made no bones that he hated the British for what they did to the middle east and his father's homeland. Nevermind that it was the very british and derivatives of it that paid for his father to come to America to get educated and spread his seed (literally). 1. He removed the bust of Churchill.
2. Reacted in a manner many viewed as an overreaction to BP after the spill.
3. Lectured and threatened the British on their Brexit vote.
4. Declared FRANCE our closest ally, not Britain who has always been there for us, even when wrong (Iraq).
5. Denounced Britain in his Inauguration Speech. One he later put on an iPod to the queen.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/...loathes-British.html
https://www.theguardian.com/...president-in-history
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/...ionship-Britain.html
Critical writing/speech vs Criminal Accusation/Collusion...
Hmmm...
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [Sanuk]
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funny is sure one term for it.......
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [FishyJoe]
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Oh I'm sure I could accuse obama of a bunch of criminal conduct and much of it believable. But that doesn't make it so.
"In the world I see you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Towers. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying stripes of venison on the empty car pool lane of some abandoned superhighway." T Durden
"In the world I see you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Towers. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying stripes of venison on the empty car pool lane of some abandoned superhighway." T Durden
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [TheForge]
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TheForge wrote:
Well the last president wrote nearly a whole novel on the evils of the British empire and the negative influence it had on western culture. He made no bones that he hated the British for what they did to the middle east and his father's homeland. Nevermind that it was the very british and derivatives of it that paid for his father to come to America to get educated and spread his seed (literally). 1. He removed the bust of Churchill.
2. Reacted in a manner many viewed as an overreaction to BP after the spill.
3. Lectured and threatened the British on their Brexit vote.
4. Declared FRANCE our closest ally, not Britain who has always been there for us, even when wrong (Iraq).
5. Denounced Britain in his Inauguration Speech. One he later put on an iPod to the queen.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/...loathes-British.html
https://www.theguardian.com/...president-in-history
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/...ionship-Britain.html
- American Revolution and the War of 1812
- Relative positions on slavery during the 1st-half of the 19th century
- US being late to WW I and WW II
- US attitudes towards Britain trying to maintain the British Empire during the 20th century
- Post Manhattan Project handling of nuclear weapons technology
- US criticism of Britain regarding Suez in 1956
- Donald Trump
"Human existence is based upon two pillars: Compassion and knowledge. Compassion without knowledge is ineffective; Knowledge without compassion is inhuman." Victor Weisskopf.
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [TheForge]
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Interesting, thanks. I have to say some of it is blown out of proportion, but there does seem to be an undercurrent of distancing himself.
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [TheForge]
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TheForge wrote:
Oh I'm sure I could accuse obama of a bunch of criminal conduct and much of it believable. But that doesn't make it so.If you can show me where Obama accused the standing UK government of a crime, maybe you'd have a point.
I'm sure if Obama didn't kiss a baby, you'd probably compare that to some horrible crime as well. Or even if he did kiss a baby...
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [TheForge]
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TheForge wrote:
1. He removed the bust of Churchill.
"The bust in question, by British sculptor Jacob Epstein, was given to President George W Bush by the British government in 2001 and was placed in the Oval Office. But the statue was not donated, it was simply on loan for Bush’s term in office (a loan which the British government decided to extend when Bush was re-elected in 2004). Churchill disappeared from the White House in 2009, when the loan ended at the same time that Obama moved in."
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [FishyJoe]
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PIcture of Obama dissing the UK and attacking a small child:
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [FishyJoe]
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I'm sure if Obama didn't kiss a baby, you'd probably compare that to some horrible crime as well. Or even if he did kiss a baby...
It's way worse than that.
It's way worse than that.
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [oldandslow]
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This is what happens when you send a white belt to do a black belt's job ...
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [ironmayb]
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ironmayb wrote:
funny is sure one term for it.......Damn fucking stupid is another. What is Trump thinking?
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [ironmayb]
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ironmayb wrote:
Of course that's what you were referring to in the other thread. The one where I was directly making the point the that US as a nation is far more relevant to the international community than Canada. So much more relevant and important in fact that I rarely if ever see my politically astute friends from north of the border in this forum discuss Canadian politics but seem preoccupied at an almost obsessive level with US politics. Thanks for clarifying it for me.
This has been covered.
We (like you) come here to talk and debate. When we try to talk about Canadian politics the room goes silent. Nobody chimes in because most of you guys are American.
So we give up and talk about what's in the news. That would be trump. Day in and day out. It's Trump.
How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [TheForge]
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TheForge wrote:
At least there was an apology to Britain. Can't say the same about the last asshole who pissed on that relationship.Now CNN is reporting Spicer says there was no apology.
http://edition.cnn.com/...ap-denial/index.html
And Trump himself declined to disavow the claim, saying he was just repeating what someone else said.
So there it is. Trump is a dumb cunt too stupid to know that he's a dumb cunt.
Enjoy your next war, America.
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [Greg66]
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And Trump himself declined to disavow the claim, saying he was just repeating what someone else said.
It's the "re-tweet" argument he used in the campaign to absolve himself of anything he said that was controversial. That might work in Grade 3 but you would think the President has at least a little bit of a filter.
It's the "re-tweet" argument he used in the campaign to absolve himself of anything he said that was controversial. That might work in Grade 3 but you would think the President has at least a little bit of a filter.
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [Sanuk]
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It's incredible that the media is the source for his accusations.
The same media he spends half his time criticizing.
The same media he spends half his time criticizing.
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [cerveloguy]
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Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [FishyJoe]
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FishyJoe wrote:
It's incredible that the media is the source for his accusations. The same media he spends half his time criticizing.
It's also amazing that he quotes media sources and those very sources say that you can't believe what the media says. IOW "we lied" or...who knows what?
Trump - "I was tapped!"
CNN - "Prove it!"
Trump - "CNN reported last month that I was."
CNN - "You can't believe what CNN reports!"
Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.
- Chinese proverb
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [Duffy]
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Duffy wrote:
Trump - "I was tapped!"Except that's not what he said...
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [TomkR]
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TomkR wrote:
Duffy wrote:
Trump - "I was tapped!"Except that's not what he said...
Well, then,what did he say? I've only heard reports of what he said and those reports say he said Obama tapped his wires, or some shit like that. Then he said something else, but that has never been reported very clearly.
Shame on me for believing news reports about what he supposedly said.
Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.
- Chinese proverb
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [Duffy]
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Duffy wrote:
Well, then,what did he say?Trump wrote:
How low has President Obama gone to tapp my phones during the very sacred election process. This is Nixon/Watergate. Bad (or sick) guy!There ya go.
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [TomkR]
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TomkR wrote:
Duffy wrote:
Well, then,what did he say?Trump wrote:
How low has President Obama gone to tapp my phones during the very sacred election process. This is Nixon/Watergate. Bad (or sick) guy!There ya go.
So he said basically what I said he said.
Trump - "I was tapped."
Thanks.
Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.
- Chinese proverb
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [Duffy]
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What was the media asking him to prove?
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [Duffy]
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Duffy wrote:
TomkR wrote:
Duffy wrote:
Trump - "I was tapped!"
Except that's not what he said...
Well, then,what did he say? I've only heard reports of what he said and those reports say he said Obama tapped his wires, or some shit like that. Then he said something else, but that has never been reported very clearly.
Shame on me for believing news reports about what he supposedly said.
It's actually been very clear exactly what Trump tweeted, I mean no doubt whatsoever. Most articles I've read have posted his tweets directly, as the actual tweets themselves in the article.
It isn't that difficult to find. Just google Trump Twitter Obama and you'll get hundreds of articles, most with the actual tweets in the article.
But I understand, the Trump Ball Washing Club manual states never lookup actual facts, when you can just believe made up shit.
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [TomkR]
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TomkR wrote:
What was the media asking him to prove?That he was tapped?
Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.
- Chinese proverb
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [TomkR]
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TomkR wrote:
Duffy wrote:
Well, then,what did he say?Trump wrote:
How low has President Obama gone to tapp my phones during the very sacred election process. This is Nixon/Watergate. Bad (or sick) guy!There ya go.
There is more...
Trump wrote:
Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my "wires tapped" in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!Trump wrote:
Is it legal for a sitting President to be "wire tapping" a race for president prior to an election? Turned down by court earlier. A NEW LOW!Trump wrote:
I'd bet a good lawyer could make a great case out of the fact that President Obama was tapping my phones in October, just prior to Election!
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [Duffy]
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Where have they demanded that as opposed to demanding proof that Obama ordered it?
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [FishyJoe]
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FishyJoe wrote:
Duffy wrote:
TomkR wrote:
Duffy wrote:
Trump - "I was tapped!"
Except that's not what he said...
Well, then,what did he say? I've only heard reports of what he said and those reports say he said Obama tapped his wires, or some shit like that. Then he said something else, but that has never been reported very clearly.
Shame on me for believing news reports about what he supposedly said.
It's actually been very clear exactly what Trump tweeted, I mean no doubt whatsoever. Most articles I've read have posted his tweets directly, as the actual tweets themselves in the article.
It isn't that difficult to find. Just google Trump Twitter Obama and you'll get hundreds of articles, most with the actual tweets in the article.
But I understand, the Trump Ball Washing Club manual states never lookup actual facts, when you can just believe made up shit.
What have done to wash balls?
Trump said he was tapped. Media asks for proof. Trumps cites media as proof.
Media says you can't believe the media.
To me this looks like a Möbius strip jerk. Like a circle jerk but, you know, Möbius.
Oh, wait. I get it now. I have to be upset only with Trump. Sorry, I almost forgot.
Everything Trump fault. Anyone criticize trump - good.
Anyone criticize anyone who criticize Trump (even when also criticize Trump) - bad.
Derp.
Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.
- Chinese proverb
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [TomkR]
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TomkR wrote:
Where have they demanded that as opposed to demanding proof that Obama ordered it?I don't even fucking care. Trumps a look and most of his detractors are drooling, rubber room dwellers.
See my post above.
Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.
- Chinese proverb
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [Duffy]
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Yeah, facts be damned, carry on.
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [TomkR]
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TomkR wrote:
Yeah, facts be damned, carry on.ok.
Trump - "Obama tapped me wires"
Media - "prove it"
Trump - "you reported it"
Media "we lied".
Either way, still a cluster fuck of idiots echoing back and forth.
But I had forgotten that the anti-Trump is never to questioned. Even when questioning also makes Trump bad, still not enough for Anti-Tr.
Got to be only mad at Trump.
Fuck you guys. It's way past getting old.
You need professional help.
Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.
- Chinese proverb
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [Duffy]
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Where did the media report that Obama tapped Trump's wires during the election?
I'm also not seeing where the media's response was "we lied", could you show me a reference?
I'm also not seeing where the media's response was "we lied", could you show me a reference?
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [TomkR]
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TomkR wrote:
Where did the media report that Obama tapped Trump's wires during the election? I'm also not seeing where the media's response was "we lied", could you show me a reference?
Go away.
Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.
- Chinese proverb
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [Duffy]
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Awe buddy, it's gonna be ok.
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [Duffy]
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If you can't understand that the President of the United States is held to a higher standard than a reporter or tv personality, then really there is no reasoning with you.
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [FishyJoe]
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It's not even that. In this case one lied and the other didn't, therefore no normalization of standards required, but Duffy has the two mixed up.
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [Duffy]
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Duffy wrote:
TomkR wrote:
Yeah, facts be damned, carry on.ok.
Trump - "Obama tapped me wires"
Media - "prove it"
Trump - "you reported it"
Media "we lied".
Either way, still a cluster fuck of idiots echoing back and forth.
But I had forgotten that the anti-Trump is never to questioned. Even when questioning also makes Trump bad, still not enough for Anti-Tr.
Got to be only mad at Trump.
Fuck you guys. It's way past getting old.
You need professional help.
Duffy, this is just not at all what happened.
Pres Trump tweeted about the "tapp" on his phones, and claimed he got that information from the NYT. Except the NYT didn't write that Pres Obama tapped or ordered a tap on his phones. In fact, the NYT article in question was about aides and former aides, it doesn't say that Pres Obama ordered wiretaps on Mr. Trump's phones, and it specifically says "It is not clear whether the intercepted communications had anything to do with Mr. Trump’s campaign, or Mr. Trump himself."
There is plenty of hysteria among the administration's detractors, but you really need to put in at least a minimal effort to find out what happened before you start jumping on people's cases.
Slowguy
(insert pithy phrase here...)
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [FishyJoe]
[ In reply to ]
FishyJoe wrote:
If you can't understand that the President of the United States is held to a higher standard than a reporter or tv personality, then really there is no reasoning with you.If you can't understand that the President of the United States is a tv personality, then really there is no reasoning with you.
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [eb]
[ In reply to ]
If you can't understand that the President of the United States is a tv personality, then really there is no reasoning with you.
You're joking, right?
You're joking, right?
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [slowguy]
[ In reply to ]
Quote:
In fact, the NYT article in question was about aides and former aides, it doesn't say that Pres Obama ordered wiretaps on Mr. Trump's phones, and it specifically says "It is not clear whether the intercepted communications had anything to do with Mr. Trump’s campaign, or Mr. Trump himself.""intercepted communications"?
So "communications" were "intercepted" and in some way it's Trump related (why else bring Trump int this?) and these intercepted (tapped?) communications could have been Trump or not and could have involved his campaign or not (those detaisl are "not clear")?
So somebody was tapped?
If not, what is meant by "intercepted communications"?
Look, you can try and say Im washing trumps balls here, but all I'm doing is just trying to figure out what happened.
It looks like somebody was listened to by someone else.
So who listened and who was listened to and what did they hear?
Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.
- Chinese proverb
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [Sanuk]
[ In reply to ]
Yes, but don't tell anybody. Do you disagree with the statement?
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [Duffy]
[ In reply to ]
Duffy wrote:
Quote:
In fact, the NYT article in question was about aides and former aides, it doesn't say that Pres Obama ordered wiretaps on Mr. Trump's phones, and it specifically says "It is not clear whether the intercepted communications had anything to do with Mr. Trump’s campaign, or Mr. Trump himself.""intercepted communications"?
So "communications" were "intercepted" and in some way it's Trump related (why else bring Trump int this?) and these intercepted (tapped?) communications could have been Trump or not and could have involved his campaign or not (those detaisl are "not clear")?
So somebody was tapped?
If not, what is meant by "intercepted communications"?
Look, you can try and say Im washing trumps balls here, but all I'm doing is just trying to figure out what happened.
It looks like somebody was listened to by someone else.
So who listened and who was listened to and what did they hear?
As I said, the article in question was about President Trump's aides and former aides, and intercepted communications (yes, likely from wiretaps) used by the FBI during investigation regarding their ties to Russia. The specifics of who listened to whom and what they heard is what's being investigated right now. However, the article Mr. Trump cited didn't say that Pres Obama ordered his phones to be tapped, and everyone in any position to know or have seen evidence has said that it either didn't happen or that there is no evidence that it happened.
I don't think I've ever called you a ball washer, but don't pretend that you're just trying to learn what happened. You've just been berating people, and spewing false narratives about what happened because it was easier than doing a little reading, and you're invested in your anti-media/fakenews narrative.
Slowguy
(insert pithy phrase here...)
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [eb]
[ In reply to ]
eb wrote:
FishyJoe wrote:
If you can't understand that the President of the United States is held to a higher standard than a reporter or tv personality, then really there is no reasoning with you.If you can't understand that the President of the United States is a tv personality, then really there is no reasoning with you.
Yes, I understand. A tv personality with all the authority of the President of the United States. In theory, with all the responsibility that the job entails. In theory I said.
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [slowguy]
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Quote:
don't pretend that you're just trying to learn what happened. You've just been berating people, and spewing false narratives about what happened because it was easier than doing a little readingI'm actually sick of reading about Trump and whatever else is in the shit show we call government. It's all that everyone talks about all time. The 24 hour news cycle is now just a running commentary of bullshit about The State and I've almost completely tuned out.
I come here and it's a bunch whiny, mentally ill sounding people obsessed with everything Trump. I'm just about over it.
The general gist of my knowledge of this particular petty bullshit is the fuckfaceTrump said dick sucker obama tapped his wires. He was then asked about to prove it and he cites "news" sources.
Now all you folks who seem to deeply care about who's listening and who's not listening and ordered the not listening and does Billy like Jane and how can Jane be with Billy when Jane likes Nathan…
Fucking bunch of crap.
I've stopped caring.
I'm out.
Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.
- Chinese proverb
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [Duffy]
[ In reply to ]
Duffy wrote:
Quote:
don't pretend that you're just trying to learn what happened. You've just been berating people, and spewing false narratives about what happened because it was easier than doing a little readingI'm actually sick of reading about Trump and whatever else is in the shit show we call government. It's all that everyone talks about all time. The 24 hour news cycle is now just a running commentary of bullshit about The State and I've almost completely tuned out.
I come here and it's a bunch whiny, mentally ill sounding people obsessed with everything Trump. I'm just about over it.
The general gist of my knowledge of this particular petty bullshit is the fuckfaceTrump said dick sucker obama tapped his wires. He was then asked about to prove it and he cites "news" sources.
Now all you folks who seem to deeply care about who's listening and who's not listening and ordered the not listening and does Billy like Jane and how can Jane be with Billy when Jane likes Nathan…
Fucking bunch of crap.
I've stopped caring.
I'm out.
I think you went too often to the Tap tonight. So you got tapped.
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [Duffy]
[ In reply to ]
Duffy wrote:
I've stopped caring.
I'm out.
Does Paulo know where to find you?
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [Duffy]
[ In reply to ]
Duffy wrote:
Quote:
don't pretend that you're just trying to learn what happened. You've just been berating people, and spewing false narratives about what happened because it was easier than doing a little readingI'm actually sick of reading about Trump and whatever else is in the shit show we call government. It's all that everyone talks about all time. The 24 hour news cycle is now just a running commentary of bullshit about The State and I've almost completely tuned out.
I come here and it's a bunch whiny, mentally ill sounding people obsessed with everything Trump. I'm just about over it.
The general gist of my knowledge of this particular petty bullshit is the fuckfaceTrump said dick sucker obama tapped his wires. He was then asked about to prove it and he cites "news" sources.
Now all you folks who seem to deeply care about who's listening and who's not listening and ordered the not listening and does Billy like Jane and how can Jane be with Billy when Jane likes Nathan…
Fucking bunch of crap.
I've stopped caring.
I'm out.
OMG you are the whiniest bitch on this forum. Slow guy just slam dunked on you and you pick up the ball and go home. Pussy.
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Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [FishyJoe]
[ In reply to ]
FishyJoe wrote:
eb wrote:
FishyJoe wrote:
If you can't understand that the President of the United States is held to a higher standard than a reporter or tv personality, then really there is no reasoning with you.If you can't understand that the President of the United States is a tv personality, then really there is no reasoning with you.
Yes, I understand. A tv personality with all the authority of the President of the United States. In theory, with all the responsibility that the job entails. In theory I said.
I was playing off of your words, maybe a bit too flippantly. I do agree completely with your initial statement ^^up there. So far we've been treated to slips and stumbles by this administration, one after another, enough that any rational person fears a truly serious geopolitical misstep. And all this is stretching my optimism to the breaking point.
So I'm having a beer and listening to the Kinks, who addressed this almost 40 years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlYrxOrsnv4
Live life, see it through, carry on, it's all you can do ...
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [Duffy]
[ In reply to ]
Duffy wrote:
I've stopped caring. I'm out.
"Human existence is based upon two pillars: Compassion and knowledge. Compassion without knowledge is ineffective; Knowledge without compassion is inhuman." Victor Weisskopf.
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [BLeP]
[ In reply to ]
This has been covered.
We (like you) come here to talk and debate. When we try to talk about Canadian politics the room goes silent. Nobody chimes in because most of you guys are American.
So we give up and talk about what's in the news. That would be trump. Day in and day out. It's Trump.
Agreed.
It's not us (Canadians) it's the news outlets here and around the world - Trump stories lead.
I'll admit that it's a bit unbalanced, that I know in Canada, internally we, actually have A LOT going on right now politically and economically, that are worthy leading stories in their own right - but it's almost always a Trump story that leads or is second!
A key economic story in Canada right now is how we are NOT investing in tech, start-ups and the ownership of IP enough and still for the most part relying on digging stuff and pumping stuff out of the ground for export revenue. Jim Balsille, the co-founder and former Co-CEO of Blackberry, has written an excellent OpEd piece in the Business Section of the Globe & Mail today about this. We are potentially bankrupting our future as other countries, the U.S. in particular lead the wat in these area (tech, start-ups and IP Ownership). Feel free to weigh in on this.
Bordem or weariness may set in at some point - Look another insane Trump tweet! Trump lies AGAIN in an interview. Trump accuses media of being dishonest and producing Fake News! Trump offends ANOTHER world leader/country . . and so on!
Steve Fleck @stevefleck | Blog
We (like you) come here to talk and debate. When we try to talk about Canadian politics the room goes silent. Nobody chimes in because most of you guys are American.
So we give up and talk about what's in the news. That would be trump. Day in and day out. It's Trump.
Agreed.
It's not us (Canadians) it's the news outlets here and around the world - Trump stories lead.
I'll admit that it's a bit unbalanced, that I know in Canada, internally we, actually have A LOT going on right now politically and economically, that are worthy leading stories in their own right - but it's almost always a Trump story that leads or is second!
A key economic story in Canada right now is how we are NOT investing in tech, start-ups and the ownership of IP enough and still for the most part relying on digging stuff and pumping stuff out of the ground for export revenue. Jim Balsille, the co-founder and former Co-CEO of Blackberry, has written an excellent OpEd piece in the Business Section of the Globe & Mail today about this. We are potentially bankrupting our future as other countries, the U.S. in particular lead the wat in these area (tech, start-ups and IP Ownership). Feel free to weigh in on this.
Bordem or weariness may set in at some point - Look another insane Trump tweet! Trump lies AGAIN in an interview. Trump accuses media of being dishonest and producing Fake News! Trump offends ANOTHER world leader/country . . and so on!
Steve Fleck @stevefleck | Blog
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [Fleck]
[ In reply to ]
Look man my father flew a Hurricane in the Elbonian Navy so you should pay attention to my epinion when i to tell you how f'd up Canadian foreign policy is ok?
;-)
Steve
;-)
Steve
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [Duffy]
[ In reply to ]
Duffy wrote:
TomkR wrote:
Yeah, facts be damned, carry on.ok.
Trump - "Obama tapped me wires"
Media - "prove it"
Trump - "you reported it"
Media "we lied".
Either way, still a cluster fuck of idiots echoing back and forth.
But I had forgotten that the anti-Trump is never to questioned. Even when questioning also makes Trump bad, still not enough for Anti-Tr.
Got to be only mad at Trump.
Fuck you guys. It's way past getting old.
You need professional help.
Again, that's not what happened.
Trump - "Obama tapped me wires"
Media - "prove it"
Trump - "you reported it"
Media "some clown on Fox News lied, and you believed it without checking those intelligence agencies you supposedly head".
Trump - "I'm just repeating what I heard"
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"Go yell at an M&M"
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [axlsix3]
[ In reply to ]
axlsix3 wrote:
Duffy wrote:
I've stopped caring.
I'm out.
Does Paulo know where to find you?
Ha. I wonder how many in the Lavender Room get that joke...
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"Go yell at an M&M"
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [klehner]
[ In reply to ]
klehner wrote:
axlsix3 wrote:
Duffy wrote:
I've stopped caring.
I'm out.
Does Paulo know where to find you?
Ha. I wonder how many in the Lavender Room get that joke...
One have to be here for a long time to get that. It was fun to witness that thread in real time.
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [klehner]
[ In reply to ]
klehner wrote:
Duffy wrote:
TomkR wrote:
Yeah, facts be damned, carry on.ok.
Trump - "Obama tapped me wires"
Media - "prove it"
Trump - "you reported it"
Media "we lied".
Either way, still a cluster fuck of idiots echoing back and forth.
But I had forgotten that the anti-Trump is never to questioned. Even when questioning also makes Trump bad, still not enough for Anti-Tr.
Got to be only mad at Trump.
Fuck you guys. It's way past getting old.
You need professional help.
Again, that's not what happened.
Trump - "Obama tapped me wires"
Media - "prove it"
Trump - "you reported it"
Media "some clown on Fox News lied, and you believed it without checking those intelligence agencies you supposedly head".
Trump - "I'm just repeating what I heard"
Even Fox News said they have no evidence to support what their own commentator said.
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [TheForge]
[ In reply to ]
At least there was an apology to Britain.
I'm confused.
"The White House apologizes", but Trump himself doubles down, and carries on the charade, blustering and blundering on about it - no apology from the President (Has he ever apologized for anything? At least staying true to form!) Aren't "The White House" and The President, supposed to be on the same page with issues like this? Does this not seem silly and confusing?
Steve Fleck @stevefleck | Blog
I'm confused.
"The White House apologizes", but Trump himself doubles down, and carries on the charade, blustering and blundering on about it - no apology from the President (Has he ever apologized for anything? At least staying true to form!) Aren't "The White House" and The President, supposed to be on the same page with issues like this? Does this not seem silly and confusing?
Steve Fleck @stevefleck | Blog
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [Fleck]
[ In reply to ]
Fleck wrote:
At least there was an apology to Britain. I'm confused.
"The White House apologizes", but Trump himself doubles down, and carries on the charade, blustering and blundering on about it - no apology from the President (Has he ever apologized for anything? At least staying true to form!) Aren't "The White House" and The President, supposed to be on the same page with issues like this? Does this not seem silly and confusing?
The problem is Trump is silly and confused! Plus petulant, adolescent and embarrassing! So just business as usual!
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [Fleck]
[ In reply to ]
"The White House apologizes", but Trump himself doubles down, and carries on the charade, blustering and blundering on about it - no apology from the President (Has he ever apologized for anything?
It's perfect. He can get others to apologize, the non-apology apology, and still double down for the paranoid who think there is a boogeyman around every corner.
Saying the government will keep you safe is what they do best. Not the actual keeping you safe part, but the convincing you that you need them to sleep better at night. It's how they justify spending $600B in defense with few questioning the absurdity of it all.
It's perfect. He can get others to apologize, the non-apology apology, and still double down for the paranoid who think there is a boogeyman around every corner.
Saying the government will keep you safe is what they do best. Not the actual keeping you safe part, but the convincing you that you need them to sleep better at night. It's how they justify spending $600B in defense with few questioning the absurdity of it all.
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [Sanuk]
[ In reply to ]
It's perfect. He can get others to apologize, the non-apology apology, and still double down for the paranoid who think there is a boogeyman around every corner.
Today we might start to get some answers. Trump carry's on his own personal charade (and lies) via Twitter, while even administration people admit that the president is wrong and/or lying!
And Trump/GOP supporters are all OK with this total disconnect? It all seems a bit odd.
Steve Fleck @stevefleck | Blog
Today we might start to get some answers. Trump carry's on his own personal charade (and lies) via Twitter, while even administration people admit that the president is wrong and/or lying!
And Trump/GOP supporters are all OK with this total disconnect? It all seems a bit odd.
Steve Fleck @stevefleck | Blog
Re: White House apologizes to the U.K. for Trump. [Fleck]
[ In reply to ]
Fleck wrote:
It's perfect. He can get others to apologize, the non-apology apology, and still double down for the paranoid who think there is a boogeyman around every corner. Today we might start to get some answers. Trump carry's on his own personal charade (and lies) via Twitter, while even administration people admit that the president is wrong and/or lying!
And Trump/GOP supporters are all OK with this total disconnect? It all seems a bit odd.
Latest poll today gives the Donald only a 37% approval rating so maybe some of his supporters are rethinking things..
cerveloguy wrote:
Fleck wrote:
It's perfect. He can get others to apologize, the non-apology apology, and still double down for the paranoid who think there is a boogeyman around every corner. Today we might start to get some answers. Trump carry's on his own personal charade (and lies) via Twitter, while even administration people admit that the president is wrong and/or lying!
And Trump/GOP supporters are all OK with this total disconnect? It all seems a bit odd.
Latest poll today gives the Donald only a 37% approval rating so maybe some of his supporters are rethinking things..
This is very true but if the Democrats put up another candidate similar to Hillary, nothing will change because the alternative will not be a better option.
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