If the team folds, than so be it, and actually Vaughters word will be more meaningful. If Vaughters wants to back pedal, that's fine for him, but his words will mean even less. If TDs 'clean' teammates rip apart his actions, that will mean something to, of course it could all be lies, as they historically have been, but silence is the easy way out.

So is Tommy D the old or new generation, anyway, as the new generation doesn't dope.

Talansky ripped apart Di Luca for testing positive, will he rip apart TD? From talansky's blog... Golden, just golden, as long as you believe, too bad there have been tons of positive athletes since that blog post..... I think Lance told us to believe as welll with his yellow jersey Paris TdF podium speech....


"Tomorrow, I will line up at the start line with my teammates and competitors, and we will race. A deserving winner will stand on top of the podium. That is what I believe. I love my sport and I will do anything to share that love with all the real fans out there, to give journalists something real to write about. So here is my challenge to all of you: BELIEVE! If you are capable, believe in me, believe in my team, believe in my competitors, believe in this sport. I do. It has so much good to offer, so much excitement to share, so much inspiration to provide, all you have to do is believe."
Posted 11th February 2011 by Andrew Talansky

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@Vaughters: Selfishly, Id like to disappear, but that hurts quite a few good people. Therefore,Slipstream's owners(me too) have decided to push forward.

Throw in the recent history with Americans who lived and trained in Girona while using PED's and blood bags and Spain's lax attitudes when it comes to prosecuting athletes using PED's and blood bags.

Plenty of athletes (US and European) get good results in races without living and training in Girona.

It's hard for me to believe there is enough incentive for an age grouper to dope. Maybe a few super elite guys that are pro-hopeful, but that can't be that many people. What's the point of doing that when you have a regular job and family? There is no money. And how much glory is there in being first of ten guys in the 41-43 age group. Whoopdedo!

On the other hand, anybody on a pro podium in any sport is considered guilty in my opinion.

You don't understand the state of the sport then. Triathlon is a high end sport with nearly as much cost to play as golf with as much visibility as that sport in the local news now. I have seen triathletes bring a more than $10K triathlon bike to a race with less than 200 participants, with most participants riding road bikes, hybrids and off road bikes. I volunteered at another small local race a few years ago and a guy had his $9K ride stolen out of the transition area while he celebrated after he picked up his age group award. If people are dumping that much just to race in small local events, it is not a big leap to see people putting stuff into their bodies that is being advertised on TV every weekend and can be bought under the average workers pharmacy benefit for the cost of a co-pay.

""Safer" does not equal "safe"."

exactly. i'm glad you agree with what i wrote.

"I still find it troubling that a tri coach has such a lax attitude towards the use of T."

i didn't read that in what he wrote. maybe you can point out to me what he said. maybe there was a post of his i missed.

what an AG triathlete can today take legally under a doctor's care to
boost their performance

Business as usual:
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@Vaughters: Selfishly, Id like to disappear, but that hurts quite a few good people. Therefore,Slipstream's owners(me too) have decided to push forward.

Lame.

I'm not anti-Vaughters. I just prefer it when people make bold, public claims that they actually follow through with them.

Throw in the recent history with Americans who lived and trained in Girona while using PED's and blood bags and Spain's lax attitudes when it comes to prosecuting athletes using PED's and blood bags.

Plenty of athletes (US and European) get good results in races without living and training in Girona.

why should we listen to what you have to say? you don't even have an appendix ;-)

NO one can be surprised by Vaughters' statement....

1) His "one positive and we walk away" declarations always rang as PR statements, not actual promises (to me, at least)

2) There are a lot of jobs, careers and families that he is responsible for now. Pretty hard to just fold your tent and walk away.

3) It is not his money that is making the decision. Cannondale, Garmin and his investor angel all have input on the decision (and more input than Vaughters in all likelihood).

[ I have seen triathletes bring a more than $10K triathlon bike to a race with less than 200 participants, with most participants riding road bikes, hybrids and off road bikes. I volunteered at another small local race a few years ago and a guy had his $9K ride stolen out of the transition area while he celebrated after he picked up his age group award. If people are dumping that much just to race in small local events, it is not a big leap to see people putting stuff into their bodies that is being advertised on TV every weekend and can be bought under the average workers pharmacy benefit for the cost of a co-pay.

#2 and #3 I get, but he can personally remove himself, resign, and disappear. that is what makes him a loser.

He wrote a check that he could not cash. Whether he actually really wants to follow through on it or not, we'll never know. But, surely Garmin and Cannondale aren't going to just shut down because of a pledge that JV made before they were even involved. Not to mention that you've got dozens of guys under contract who you can't just throw under the bus.

It was a lot of big talk from JV, but never very realistic should this exact scenario occur.

Well, to be fair, Spain dragged their heels for years and you never saw any tennis players or soccer players be prosecuted. Coincidentally, France wins the world cup in 1998 and Spain wins it in 2010.

Unlike the US, who ferociously go after the dopers in baseball and american football. Oh wait...

I'm not saying any country is perfect, but let's not start throwing stones here.


Cheers,
malte

ask your doctor if T grows dormant or slow growing cancers. if he doesn't know, ask him if it's worth his kickback to experiment on your body.

Apples & Oranges.....MLB and the NFL are not signatories to the WADA code.

Unlike the US, who ferociously go after the dopers in baseball and american football. Oh wait...

I'm not saying any country is perfect, but let's not start throwing stones here.


Cheers,
malte